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Guy - 14 Feb 2007 09:08 GMT I know it varies per individual but on average, ball park figure, how long does it take for the side effects to kick in. I just started Friday and I actually feel better than I have in months.
Paul - 14 Feb 2007 10:47 GMT On 14 Feb 2007 01:08:09 -0800, "Guy" <phxazhepc@cox.net>, in message ID <1171444089.063642.139490@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>I know it varies per individual but on average, ball park figure, how >long does it take for the side effects to kick in. I just started >Friday and I actually feel better than I have in months. I had side effects the first couple of weeks intermittently. Then I gat a reprieve for a few weeks. Started getting a bit bad tempered around week 6. Fatigue didn't start hitting hard till around week 8 or 10. Brain fog started to get pretty severe around week 16.
No ball park figure though. Just different for everyone.
I actually felt better than usual at times in the early weeks as well.
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 14 Feb 2007 13:54 GMT The freight train that's going to run you over should be coming 'round the mountain any time now. :-) elmo
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 14 Feb 2007 14:06 GMT Here's what you can expect, Guy.
In the fourth week, all your hair is gonna drop out. The fifth week your teeth turn green. Then you get uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea. Migraines start about the eighth week. The whole time your abdomen is turning black from all the tissue necrosis at the shot sites. About the 10th week, you'll crash your car into the back of a schoolbus because you're so spaced out. The 11th week gives you some relief because of the pain killers they are giving you in the hospital for the broken pelvis you suffered in the accident. But now you have dragon breath and noone will come visit you in the hospital. More relief the next two weeks. Still in the hospital because of the staph infection you got from the compound fracture in the accident. The bill already came for the first month of television while in the hospital. Work calls today and says that you were fired. Finally out of the hospital in the 23rd week. Your muscles have atrophy to the point you can barely lift your head anymore. Back pains and hallucinations begin about the 28th week. Your family has told you not to come over anymore til you feel better. Mom didn't appreciate being hit in the face with the creme pie. In the 30th week, palpatations and twitches and belching fart gas drive you to the doctor. He just says they are not due to the hep, sorry. Long, gray hair begins to grow from your forehead but the rest of your hair is long gone by now. In the 40th week you spend the night in jail for assaulting the produce clerk at the local grocery store, That makes 4 lawsuits pending against you now. One for the auto accident (DUI), one suit by the township for knocking down the traffic light post, and a fourth suit by the produce clerk. In your 44th week you get more relief. It suddenly occurs to you that you don't remember ANYTHING anymore. You can't go anywhere without being led by the hand. You will overhear a guy at a restaurant who has serious Alzheimer Disease say, "Man, that guy is one f.cked up dude." On the way out of the restaurant you will stumble in the parking lot and split the back of your pants out. By the 47th week, they are giving you your shots in your scalp, you need skin grafts on your abdomen when you finally come off treatment. Just when you think you have come to the end of the road and it's your last shot, you get an allergic reaction to the meds and spend the next 7 weeks in the hospital. It will take a long time for your trachea to heal completely from being ripped open when they insert the endotracheal tube during surgery. You will celebrate the end of your ordeal with a new bag of IV fluids. Then your kidneys will shut down, your thyroid will say 'adios amigo', you will get serious lifelong tremors and the uncontrollable urge to fart in public. The hairs growing from your nose will need trimming every day, they will grow over an inch each night while you sleep. You will look back after they give you the good news you're still undetectable six months post treatment and recall that the treatment wasn't all that bad. You didn't lose too much of your savings from the law suit settlements nor do you need anymore surgeries (5 was enough!). Thank God for amnesia and bankruptcy laws. It will have been a long, strange trip. Good luck, Elmo
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greyhackles - 14 Feb 2007 14:24 GMT >Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >strange trip. >Good luck, Elmo <SPLORK!> (coffee shoots out nose all over screen and keyboard)
Yup. That's how we roll.
And thank The Big Hairy Thunderer In The Sky for the amnesia - I can't remember *any* of that ;-)
/greyhackles
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 16 Feb 2007 13:42 GMT Re: Side Effects Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2007, 9:24am (CST+1) From: greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) Here's what you can expect, Guy. In the fourth week, all your hair is gonna drop out. The fifth week your teeth turn green. Then you get uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea. Migraines start about the eighth week. The whole time your abdomen is turning black from all the tissue necrosis at the shot sites. About the 10th week, you'll crash your car into the back of a schoolbus because you're so spaced out. The 11th week gives you some relief because of the pain killers they are giving you in the hospital for the broken pelvis you suffered in the accident. But now you have dragon breath and noone will come visit you in the hospital. More relief the next two weeks. Still in the hospital because of the staph infection you got from the compound fracture in the accident. The bill already came for the first month of television while in the hospital. Work calls today and says that you were fired. Finally out of the hospital in the 23rd week. Your muscles have atrophy to the point you can barely lift your head anymore. Back pains and hallucinations begin about the 28th week. Your family has told you not to come over anymore til you feel better. Mom didn't appreciate being hit in the face with the creme pie. In the 30th week, palpatations and twitches and belching fart gas drive you to the doctor. He just says they are not due to the hep, sorry. Long, gray hair begins to grow from your forehead but the rest of your hair is long gone by now. In the 40th week you spend the night in jail for assaulting the produce clerk at the local grocery store, That makes 4 lawsuits pending against you now. One for the auto accident (DUI), one suit by the township for knocking down the traffic light post, and a fourth suit by the produce clerk. In your 44th week you get more relief. It suddenly occurs to you that you don't remember ANYTHING anymore. You can't go anywhere without being led by the hand. You will overhear a guy at a restaurant who has serious Alzheimer Disease say, "Man, that guy is one f.cked up dude." On the way out of the restaurant you will stumble in the parking lot and split the back of your pants out. By the 47th week, they are giving you your shots in your scalp, you need skin grafts on your abdomen when you finally come off treatment. Just when you think you have come to the end of the road and it's your last shot, you get an allergic reaction to the meds and spend the next 7 weeks in the hospital. It will take a long time for your trachea to heal completely from being ripped open when they insert the endotracheal tube during surgery. You will celebrate the end of your ordeal with a new bag of IV fluids. Then your kidneys will shut down, your thyroid will say 'adios amigo', you will get serious lifelong tremors and the uncontrollable urge to fart in public. The hairs growing from your nose will need trimming every day, they will grow over an inch each night while you sleep. You will look back after they give you the good news you're still undetectable six months post treatment and recall that the treatment wasn't all that bad. You didn't lose too much of your savings from the law suit settlements nor do you need anymore surgeries (5 was enough!). Thank God for amnesia and bankruptcy laws. It will have been a long, strange trip. Good luck, Elmo <SPLORK!> (coffee shoots out nose all over screen and keyboard) Yup. That's how we roll. And thank The Big Hairy Thunderer In The Sky for the amnesia - I can't remember *any* of that ;-) /greyhackles //////////// I wrote that account of tx several years ago while I was on the tx drugs. I think it was in response to someone else's inquiry as to what they could expect. ahhahahahahaha!!
I used to write alot of stories and post em way back when. I'll see if I can dig another one out and post it. How 'bout my 'trip to the doctor' story....I'll see if I can find it. elmo
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ghibelno - 14 Feb 2007 14:46 GMT > Here's what you can expect, Guy. > > [...] Elmo, I'll tell you once again: you're great, man. You made me laugh like an idiot in from of my collegues' inquiring faces
:) Thank you. cheers, jeeb.
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 16 Feb 2007 13:45 GMT Re: Side Effects Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2007, 3:46pm (CST+7) From: ghibelno@_NOSPAMME_yahoo.it (ghibelno) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Here's what you can expect, Guy. [...] Elmo, I'll tell you once again: you're great, man. You made me laugh like an idiot in from of my collegues' inquiring faces :) Thank you. cheers, jeeb. ////////// ahahahahahahaha
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Guy - 14 Feb 2007 16:02 GMT On Feb 14, 7:06 am, elmoemer...@webtv.net wrote:
> Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks Elmo, I knew I could count on you :-)
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 16 Feb 2007 13:47 GMT Re: Side Effects Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2007, 8:02am (CST-2) From: phxazhepc@cox.net (Guy) On Feb 14, 7:06 am, elmoemer...@webtv.net wrote: Here's what you can expect, Guy. In the fourth week, all your hair is gonna drop out. The fifth week your teeth turn green. Then you get uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea. Migraines start about the eighth week. The whole time your abdomen is turning black from all the tissue necrosis at the shot sites. About the 10th week, you'll crash your car into the back of a schoolbus because you're so spaced out. The 11th week gives you some relief because of the pain killers they are giving you in the hospital for the broken pelvis you suffered in the accident. But now you have dragon breath and noone will come visit you in the hospital. More relief the next two weeks. Still in the hospital because of the staph infection you got from the compound fracture in the accident. The bill already came for the first month of television while in the hospital. Work calls today and says that you were fired. Finally out of the hospital in the 23rd week. Your muscles have atrophy to the point you can barely lift your head anymore. Back pains and hallucinations begin about the 28th week. Your family has told you not to come over anymore til you feel better. Mom didn't appreciate being hit in the face with the creme pie. In the 30th week, palpatations and twitches and belching fart gas drive you to the doctor. He just says they are not due to the hep, sorry. Long, gray hair begins to grow from your forehead but the rest of your hair is long gone by now. In the 40th week you spend the night in jail for assaulting the produce clerk at the local grocery store, That makes 4 lawsuits pending against you now. One for the auto accident (DUI), one suit by the township for knocking down the traffic light post, and a fourth suit by the produce clerk. In your 44th week you get more relief. It suddenly occurs to you that you don't remember ANYTHING anymore. You can't go anywhere without being led by the hand. You will overhear a guy at a restaurant who has serious Alzheimer Disease say, "Man, that guy is one f.cked up dude." On the way out of the restaurant you will stumble in the parking lot and split the back of your pants out. By the 47th week, they are giving you your shots in your scalp, you need skin grafts on your abdomen when you finally come off treatment. Just when you think you have come to the end of the road and it's your last shot, you get an allergic reaction to the meds and spend the next 7 weeks in the hospital. It will take a long time for your trachea to heal completely from being ripped open when they insert the endotracheal tube during surgery. You will celebrate the end of your ordeal with a new bag of IV fluids. Then your kidneys will shut down, your thyroid will say 'adios amigo', you will get serious lifelong tremors and the uncontrollable urge to fart in public. The hairs growing from your nose will need trimming every day, they will grow over an inch each night while you sleep. You will look back after they give you the good news you're still undetectable six months post treatment and recall that the treatment wasn't all that bad. You didn't lose too much of your savings from the law suit settlements nor do you need anymore surgeries (5 was enough!). Thank God for amnesia and bankruptcy laws. It will have been a long, strange trip. Good luck, Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks Elmo, I knew I could count on you :-) //////////// Wellllll, Guy. The truth is often spoken in jest. :-) elmo
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Guy - 14 Feb 2007 19:28 GMT On Feb 14, 7:06 am, elmoemer...@webtv.net wrote:
> Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum So basically, you can't slow down, you can't let go and you can't hold on, you can't go back and you can't stand still, if the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will ?
It not matter :-) matter is energy.
Life is just a game, fly a paper plane there is no end there is no end.
Elmo for Dick Tater in 2008
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 16 Feb 2007 13:50 GMT Re: Side Effects Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2007, 11:28am (CST-2) From: phxazhepc@cox.net (Guy) On Feb 14, 7:06 am, elmoemer...@webtv.net wrote: Here's what you can expect, Guy. In the fourth week, all your hair is gonna drop out. The fifth week your teeth turn green. Then you get uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea. Migraines start about the eighth week. The whole time your abdomen is turning black from all the tissue necrosis at the shot sites. About the 10th week, you'll crash your car into the back of a schoolbus because you're so spaced out. The 11th week gives you some relief because of the pain killers they are giving you in the hospital for the broken pelvis you suffered in the accident. But now you have dragon breath and noone will come visit you in the hospital. More relief the next two weeks. Still in the hospital because of the staph infection you got from the compound fracture in the accident. The bill already came for the first month of television while in the hospital. Work calls today and says that you were fired. Finally out of the hospital in the 23rd week. Your muscles have atrophy to the point you can barely lift your head anymore. Back pains and hallucinations begin about the 28th week. Your family has told you not to come over anymore til you feel better. Mom didn't appreciate being hit in the face with the creme pie. In the 30th week, palpatations and twitches and belching fart gas drive you to the doctor. He just says they are not due to the hep, sorry. Long, gray hair begins to grow from your forehead but the rest of your hair is long gone by now. In the 40th week you spend the night in jail for assaulting the produce clerk at the local grocery store, That makes 4 lawsuits pending against you now. One for the auto accident (DUI), one suit by the township for knocking down the traffic light post, and a fourth suit by the produce clerk. In your 44th week you get more relief. It suddenly occurs to you that you don't remember ANYTHING anymore. You can't go anywhere without being led by the hand. You will overhear a guy at a restaurant who has serious Alzheimer Disease say, "Man, that guy is one f.cked up dude." On the way out of the restaurant you will stumble in the parking lot and split the back of your pants out. By the 47th week, they are giving you your shots in your scalp, you need skin grafts on your abdomen when you finally come off treatment. Just when you think you have come to the end of the road and it's your last shot, you get an allergic reaction to the meds and spend the next 7 weeks in the hospital. It will take a long time for your trachea to heal completely from being ripped open when they insert the endotracheal tube during surgery. You will celebrate the end of your ordeal with a new bag of IV fluids. Then your kidneys will shut down, your thyroid will say 'adios amigo', you will get serious lifelong tremors and the uncontrollable urge to fart in public. The hairs growing from your nose will need trimming every day, they will grow over an inch each night while you sleep. You will look back after they give you the good news you're still undetectable six months post treatment and recall that the treatment wasn't all that bad. You didn't lose too much of your savings from the law suit settlements nor do you need anymore surgeries (5 was enough!). Thank God for amnesia and bankruptcy laws. It will have been a long, strange trip. Good luck, Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum So basically, you can't slow down, you can't let go and you can't hold on, you can't go back and you can't stand still, if the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will ? It not matter :-) matter is energy. Life is just a game, fly a paper plane there is no end there is no end. Elmo for Dick Tater in 2008 /////////// Don't think...don't think... elmo
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Guy - 14 Feb 2007 19:41 GMT On Feb 14, 7:06 am, elmoemer...@webtv.net wrote:
> Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum On second thought ( Or is it 3rd ? Butt Hooz counting and thank god for that because I can't count and Butt Hooz is doing it 4 me ).
Reminds me of a bad acid trip I had in the early seven teez.
Waterspider - 14 Feb 2007 20:30 GMT > Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > strange trip. > Good luck, Elmo This is an accurate description of treatment without doing anything to counteract the side-effects. Fortunately, modern medicine is available to get us through this. I know that I wouldn't have been able to complete tx without it.
To counteract the nausea, smoke pot or eat special brownies. It will settle your stomach; chemo patients all over the world know this. To counteract the twitches and tremors, smoke more pot. To counteract the feelings of rage and aggression (riba-rage), smoke more pot. To counteract the depression and suicide ideation, smoke more pot. To counteract the insomnia, smoke more pot. If it doesn't do the trick, eat Gravol because it's an antihistamine and should knock you out. Now you must drink lots of water, because the antihistamine will dehydrate you. Drink more water, if you're still awake. Have another toke, and drink more water to relieve your dry mouth and throat. Put a Pee Bucket beside your bed, because you'll wake up with an unconrolable urge to urinate. Of course you will, you've drank enough water to float a freakin' battleship, and you're so stoned from all the pot and Gravol that you wouldn't be able to find the bathroom, never mind drag your sorry a.s out of bed. And, you're suffering from fatigue, serious fatigue. Well, why not? You've been so stoned that you've forgotten to eat. Never mind, drink more water and go back to sleep. Try to remember that there's a bucket of pee beside your bed.
piuma - 14 Feb 2007 20:49 GMT >> Here's what you can expect, Guy. >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > Never mind, drink more water and go back to sleep. > Try to remember that there's a bucket of pee beside your bed. Central nervous system involvement in patients with HCV-related
cryoglobulinemia: review and a case report
D. Filippini, F. Colombo, S. Jann1 , R. Corneo2, B. Canesi
Divisione di Reumatologia, 1Divisione di Neurologia, 2Servizio Immuno-Trasfusionale
Ospedale Niguarda Cà Granda, Milano
SUMMARY
Introduction: Few well-documented cases of central nervous system involvement in patients with mixed cryoglobulinemia
and/or HCV infection have been reported. We can distinguish between acute or subacute diffuse and focal lesions (transient
ischemic attack-like syndromes and cerebrovascular accidents).
Methods: A search of two electronic databases (Medline and EMBASE) was conducted from the year of their inception
(1966 for Medline and 1988 for EMBASE) to September 2000. The search strategy employed entailed combining
these terms: Cryoglobulinemia, Central Nervous System, Hepatitis C, chronic hepatitis. Cryoglobulinemia and Central
Nervous System were also used as free test words. We analysed articles with case reports and the most frequent
articles on the references list.
Pathogenesis: The main pathophysiologic mechanism of cerebral involvement is ischemia (or rarely hemorrhage) due
to diffuse or segmental vasculitis of the small cerebral vessels. In these cases a brain MRI usually shows single or multiple
increased T2 signals. Furthermore an occasional occlusive vasculopathy without vasculitis was documented histologically.
In these patients ischemia could be started or enhanced by the engorgement of the microvasculature by
clumps of red cells and by aggregates of cryoglobulins. In the same patients vasculitis and hemoreological abnormalities
can affect the clinical picture of the cerebral involvement in mixed cryoglobulinemia. Finally, the detection
of HCV in the lesions induces a hypothesis that, in some cases, CNS involvement could be directly related to chronic
HCV infection, even in the absence of cryoglobulin production.
Case report: We describe a 63 year-old woman with acute severe encephalopathy. Laboratory evaluation revealed a
high positive test result for rheumatoid factor (3390 U/ml) and hypocomplementemia (C4 less than 1.67 mg/dl). Protein
immunofixation electrophoresis demonstrated 5% monoclonal proteins (IgM/k and IgG/k), 3% cryoglobulins were
present, HCV antibody and HCV-RNA (type 2a-2c) were positive. Cryoglobulins were never typed, because they disappeared
after plasma exchanges. Liver enzymes, renal function and findings on cerebrospinal fluid were normal. Cerebral
CT and MRI were also normal. Antinuclear antibodies, anti nDNA antibodies, antiphospholipid antibodies, lupus
anticoagulant, ANCA, Lyme disease serology, complete tests for thrombophilia were negative. Bone aspiration
was normal. The patient, in coma, was treated with two plasma exchanges. During the first treatment she recovered
consciousness. Prednisone (1 mg/Kg/day) and cyclophosphamide (400 mg iv for three days) were added. After a week
two plasma exchanges were performed again. Liver enzymes and rheumatoid factor were analyzed monthly for six
months and than every two months for another six month period up to the present. Liver enzymes were always normal,
rheumatoid factor was always at a lower level than the first evaluation (now it's 311 U/ml). At present she is taking
Prednisone 5 mg once a day, neurologic syntoms are absent and neurologic examination is normal.
Discussion: We can conclude that: central neurologic involvement may be the clinical presentation of HCV infection
and mixed cryoglobulinemia. HCV serologic tests and cryoglobulins should be considered in patient with encephalopathy
of non-obvious cause; plasma exchange is the treatment of choice in acute severe forms; in some patients
HCV could involve directly CNS, even in the absence of cryoglobulin production.
andrea buccioni - 15 Feb 2007 09:57 GMT Capperi oh. un problema serio e neanche una considerazione. Proprio vero che il 95 per cento della popolazione vive di falsi problemi tipo una partita di calcio o una gomma a terra... che mondo dozzinale.
> piuma14-02-2007 > 21:49lapiumetta12@alice.it45d375cd$0$4791$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it ha > perso la testa in una brocca di Asti e seduto sulla tinozza vaneggia > scrivendo:
>> "Waterspider" <waterspider@moonlight.net> ha scritto nel messaggio >> news:12t6saps99btf1a@corp.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 186 lines] > HCV could involve directly CNS, even in the absence of cryoglobulin > production. Paul - 15 Feb 2007 07:41 GMT On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:06:03 -0600, elmoemerson@webtv.net, in message ID <22230-45D3174B-4@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>Here's what you can expect, Guy. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > >http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Good one Elmo.
Funnily enough I did crash my vehicle while on tx and I did have an accident in my pants as well (at different times though) :-) . I never hit anyone while on tx but there were some pretty heavy verbal clashes at times which could have escalated. So although your post is light hearted, the funniest thing about it is that, for me, it is based in some truth :-)
Stretch - 15 Feb 2007 02:26 GMT > I know it varies per individual but on average, ball park figure, how > long does it take for the side effects to kick in. I just started > Friday and I actually feel better than I have in months. This too shall pass. Hope you have a mild tx.
bob - 16 Feb 2007 01:39 GMT >I know it varies per individual but on average, ball park figure, how >long does it take for the side effects to kick in. I just started >Friday and I actually feel better than I have in months. Tomorrow is shot 26 for me. I have a rash off and on for the last several weeks. Sometimes the rash is REALLY bad but that's about all that I've had....well some fatigue too but that seems to have gone away. The first shot was by far the worst for me. I had chills and a fever but almost nothing related to the shots since.
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