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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / February 2007Specific questions about transmission in less common ways (for a library patron of ours)
Hello - I'm posting this message on behalf of a patron of our library who would prefer to remain anonymous. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated by us both. Here's her original message: "Has it ever happened that someone has gotten Hep C by getting semen or saliva on broken skin? The semen would be from someone infected with HCV and the broken skin is on someone not infected or otherwise exposed. (I'm thinking cut on lips, crack in butt, broken skin in gums, scratches on back or hand, shaving nick "down there", etc etc) Any *concrete* details that may exist would really help. Thanks, the mildly kinky and very nervous partner of a man with Hep C" As a health sciences librarian I'd really appreciate any ideas for researching this topic in a more concrete way, even if nobody on the group can answer her questions directly. We have access to the scholarly literature and the public WWW, of course, but mostly I see very generic advice/information ("you don't need to wear condoms in a monogamous relationship") or way too technical and not generalizable stuff (in the scholarly literature). In particular I don't see much about "non-common" modes of transmission. There's a lot more ways to have sexual/sensual contact than just the traditional procreative ones - how can I find out more about those risk factors? Thanks so much, Allan >"Has it ever happened that someone has gotten Hep C by getting semen >or saliva on broken skin? The semen would be from someone infected >with HCV and the broken skin is on someone not infected or otherwise >exposed. The general consensus seems to be that infection needs blood to blood contact, not contact with other bodily fluids. Since contact with semen or saliva and broken skin would likely be not that rare even in monogamous relationships, I would think there would be a much higher rate of infection than the one that's generally reported (which is close to 0). That doesn't mean it's completely impossible, but I don't think your patron has much to worry about. Thomas  SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. there are small amounts of blood in semen. add that to a person with bleeding gums giving a bl.wj.b! possible? yes. remember the size of virus particles and the fact that viruses attach to/enter cells. low probability? maybe maybe not......... i compare it to hcv roulette....... > there are small amounts of blood in semen. Is this normal? Common? common and normal but not every load for sure has a minute amount of blood in it. slightly possible only. Re: Specific questions about transmission in less common ways (for... Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Feb 13, 2007, 11:28am (CST-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) "Randy Thomas" <RandyThomas2222@webtv.net> wrote in message news:8827-45D1F4D3-1184@storefull-3353.bay.webtv.net... there are small amounts of blood in semen. /////// Is this normal? Common? //////// Of course, Spidey. But it usually occurs during rough sex when the gal plays 'ball bongo' with the guy's nuts. The real danger in that is if the guy then shoots his load in the gal's eyes. It's no problem if the gal swallows it all tho, the alimentary tract isn't particularly virus friendly. doc elmo knowledge is power http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum what a way to greet valentine's day, Elmo! thanks for the info. so a stilleto heel to the kidney area wouldn't do it then? jaded but through January cactus jammies ================= > there are small amounts of blood in semen. > /////// [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > doc elmo > knowledge is power >Hello - I'm posting this message on behalf of a patron of our library >who would prefer to remain anonymous. Any help you can provide would [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Allan What Thomas said. I don't know if the virus can't survive long enough outside of direct blood-to-blood contact, but I really believe transmission via anything resembling "conventional" sexual congress is damned unlikely. The scope of your questions may exceed the group's experience (hell - they don't all tell us *everything* they are up to - thankfully ;-) but a couple of years ago we had an interesting case involving a gay male and some rather unusual contact (no - not the obvious one - it was well beyond "conventional gay sex") coupled with a breach of protocol. If he's still reading the group perhaps he'll drop in and 'splain it all... Cheers /greyhackles Greyhackles said: "...sexual congress is damned unlikely..." You're a hoot, Grey. Do you really talk like that? :-) kj P.S. OT do you live in Maine? >Greyhackles said: >"...sexual congress is damned unlikely..." >You're a hoot, Grey. Do you really talk like that? > >:-) >kj LOL! I confess I do try to be as delicate as possible when discussing such matters. Someone has to think of the children, after all ;-) (And you didn't even mention my skillful tip-toeing around the incident that led to Gordo's appearance here ;-) >P.S. OT do you live in Maine? While I spend much of the fishing season casting flies up in Maine and New Hampshire, I live in Central Massachusetts, just a bit west of historic Concord... Cheers - and hope you're feeling well these days! /greyhackles Hi Grey. I am well enough, thank you for asking. It seems like my brain is still clearing from tx, even though it has been a full year now. It’s reassuring because there were times on tx when I convinced I would be wallowing in a chronic foggy panic attack for the rest of my days. But not so. Whew. I have decided to wait for the upcoming results of the newest VX950 trials before deciding about re-treatment. I have read that there will be results from a phase (somethingerother) trial this spring. The reason I inquired if you live in Maine is because a giant national timber corporation called Plum Creek is selling off part of their million-acre holdings in Maine for a 400,000 acre real estate development at a place called Moosehead Lake. Plum Creek owns +/- 8 million acres nationwide but information about their activity is scarce on the internet. I was hoping that if you lived in Maine you could steer me toward some reliable sources. Folks in Montana are looking toward Maine for precedents because Plum Creek plans to “divest” over a million acres in Montana, much of it in Missoula County, where I live. The reason Plum Creek selling their timberlands is because they were heavily clearcut and degraded over the years and will no longer sustainably produce timber on a scale that will satisfy corporate shareholders. Much of the degraded land is huge chunks interspersed within relatively pristine federal and state land in a checkerboard pattern such that development will impact everything around it, on many scales. Sadly, our local government lacks the intellectual infrastructure (cough) to grasp the ecological scope of the issue, let alone take effective action. A good way to get a visual perspective on the huge checkerboard clearcuts is to Google Earth for Condon, Montana, then pan out a bit. The clearcuts are a mile square/640 acres each. Condon is in northwest MT near Glacier National Park . If you’re interested, here are a couple news stories. The third one has info about Maine. http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/02/04/news/top/news01.txt http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/02/04/news/local/news02.txt http://www.meepi.org/files05/pa021005.htm Whoops I was gonna keep this short … Anyway you might find it interesting since you recreate in Maine. Well that’s the news from Montana! Kathy awaiting spring won’t be long now the chickadees are dancing > Hello - I'm posting this message on behalf of a patron of our library > who would prefer to remain anonymous. Any help you can provide would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Allan Hi Allan, I'm sorry I cannot give you directions to find good sources of information. All I have done in the last years was to "Google" for things and read medical articles from what I thought it was a good source. Most of all I asked for advice here. Then I can tell about my experience as I just had to worry (again) about my partner. We've been together since 1998 and I was diagnosed with Hepatitis C in 1996. In 2004 I started treatment which I completed successfully in 2005. I have been tested clear 6 months and a year after the end of treatment. Last week she had to check again if she had been infected as a previous lab test revealed elevated ALT. Bottom line, she DOES NOT have HCV antibodies ( yes thanks for the support I asked for back then guys ;) ). She has never been in contact with HCV virus then, in spite of the fact that, YES, we've been practicing quite a lot together. In fact, the examples you quote (lips, butt, gums) seems quite common in every "mormal" couple. Have the lab test to live peacefully and here's my best wishes. Cheers, jeeb. >> Hello - I'm posting this message on behalf of a patron of our library >> who would prefer to remain anonymous. Any help you can provide would [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Cheers, >jeeb. Glad to hear (and not surprised) about your partner, jeeb! Cheers /greyhackles you answered your own questions. anal fissures are breaks in skin tissue. dry cracked lips? common sense should be enough ...... go to CDC site and they will tell you. gee. i have a cut on my hand, if i stick it in a septic tank can viruses and bacteria enter my blood system? daaaa wear condoms if you have multiple partners. hard anal sex? think about that....... if you are married discuss risks with your spouse. Normal sex activities/infection rates are considered low to none. so the pros say. if you are gay there is no slippery vagina...... you work in a library? there should be access to good info. im not trying to be a wise-a.s, just seems like your friend needs to read or/and talk to his/her doc...... |
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