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john - 17 Dec 2006 13:55 GMT
Hi all,
Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
Infergen,interferon,ribavirin,amantadine(altice,ativan and lunesta as
needed).
Took my last blood work while on meds.Time to wait and see if this gets
a thumbs up or down.
Really looking too slay the dragon this time.At least i responded this
time so i have a shot.......fingers
crossed............................john
Cody - 17 Dec 2006 14:13 GMT
> Hi all,
> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> time so i have a shot.......fingers
> crossed............................john

I hope you clear, John.

Cody
john - 18 Dec 2006 13:51 GMT
Hi,
Thanks Cody,Dwight,Stretch and Waterspider.
I appreciate your support............john

> > Hi all,
> > Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Cody
Dwight - 17 Dec 2006 16:43 GMT
> Hi all,
> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> time so i have a shot.......fingers
> crossed............................john

The best of luck to you John. Hope that dragon is dead and gone.

Dwight
Waterspider - 17 Dec 2006 20:11 GMT
Congratulations in completing 48 weeks of Very Evil Drugs-- you must be
feeling pretty beat-up. Nevermind, you'll be back to feeling good in no time
(it takes a few months for most of us).

Here's hoping your test results come through with good news, you deserve it!

Waterspider

> Hi all,
> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> time so i have a shot.......fingers
> crossed............................john
Stretch - 17 Dec 2006 22:25 GMT
> Hi all,
> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> time so i have a shot.......fingers
> crossed............................john

I completed in October and feel like a new man. You will too. I hope
that you beat it man!
Waterspider - 18 Dec 2006 00:24 GMT
>> Hi all,
>> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I completed in October and feel like a new man. You will too. I hope that
> you beat it man!

You *are* a new man-- you're body is no longer home for
<//begin Carl Sagan voice>
billions and billions
<//end Carl Sagan>
of hepatitis c virii.
Stretch - 20 Dec 2006 02:17 GMT
>>> Hi all,
>>> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> <//end Carl Sagan>
> of hepatitis c virii.

Well, for now. I haven't had my 3-month (or even 6-month) blood test
yet. We'll see. Thanks for the cheer!
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 21 Dec 2006 15:35 GMT
Right on, John!  With that combination of drugs, you should have been
able to kill off an alien invasion!  I've got my fingers crossed for you
big-time, bro.

Keep us posted!
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
john - 22 Dec 2006 02:31 GMT
Thanks Elmo Merry Christmas..................

> Right on, John!  With that combination of drugs, you should have been
> able to kill off an alien invasion!  I've got my fingers crossed for you
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
HepC Lite - 22 Dec 2006 03:39 GMT
> Hi all,
> Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
> Infergen,interferon,ribavirin,amantadine(altice,ativan and lunesta as
> needed).

I too just finished a 24 week tx of Pegetron+Ribavirin on Dec. 15/06.
Waiting for results, as well.

Wishing you all the best and an SVR.

HepC Lite <Dragon Slayer>
maha - 27 Dec 2006 01:08 GMT
>Hi all,
>Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>time so i have a shot.......fingers
>crossed............................john

Best of luck, John.

None of you probably remember me, but I stopped by this newsgroup
about 42 weeks ago because I was scared out of my wits about the
treatment I was starting.  I received a lot of reassurance and
understanding that can only come from those that have "been there",
and it made a difference.  Well, I kinda drifted away, because
although I got every single side effect that has been discussed here,
all of them were mild enough to be considered minor annoyances.  In a
way, I felt guilty reading posts from people that were having a tough
time when I was doing well.

As of January 30 I'll be a recovering "Riba-addict".  I can hardly
wait, as I am looking forward to walking up a flight of stairs without
grabbing the walls and puffing.  Having normal, manageable hair will
also be a plus, as I am a little weary of looking like a Don King Chia
Pet.  

My thyroid took a small hit, and I am now taking Synthroid to make up
for the low hormone levels.  This may be permanent, a small price for
an SVR in my book.

All in all, it hasn't been so bad.

Graham
john - 27 Dec 2006 10:14 GMT
Hi Graham,
Congradulations on SVR.I know what you mean about feeling guilty about
not having severe problems on treatment.At this point i feel that if i
get my SVR or not i owe this newsgroup and i will stick around.john

> >Hi all,
> >Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Graham
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Dec 2006 15:35 GMT
Re: Treatment Update  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 7:08pm From:
rgf3remove@bellsouth.net (maha)
Hi all,
Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
Infergen,interferon,ribavirin,amantadine(altice,ativan and lunesta as
needed).
Took my last blood work while on meds.Time to wait and see if this gets
a thumbs up or down.
Really looking too slay the dragon this time.At least i responded this
time so i have a shot.......fingers
crossed............................john
Best of luck, John.
None of you probably remember me, but I stopped by this newsgroup about
42 weeks ago because I was scared out of my wits about the treatment I
was starting. I received a lot of reassurance and understanding that can
only come from those that have "been there", and it made a difference.
Well, I kinda drifted away, because although I got every single side
effect that has been discussed here, all of them were mild enough to be
considered minor annoyances. In a way, I felt guilty reading posts from
people that were having a tough time when I was doing well.
As of January 30 I'll be a recovering "Riba-addict". I can hardly wait,
as I am looking forward to walking up a flight of stairs without
grabbing the walls and puffing. Having normal, manageable hair will also
be a plus, as I am a little weary of looking like a Don King Chia Pet.
My thyroid took a small hit, and I am now taking Synthroid to make up
for the low hormone levels. This may be permanent, a small price for an
SVR in my book.
All in all, it hasn't been so bad.
Graham
////////////
That's great, Graham!  Like you, I had 'Don King Syndrome' and a thyroid
that went south on tx.  The hair came back normal after tx, as did my
thyroid.  Here's to you finishing tx and getting your SVR. (Elmo hoists
his coffee mug)  Keep us posted, would you?
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Jeff - 27 Dec 2006 16:54 GMT
Hi - I was dx'd about 3 years ago but put off doing anything about it.
Partly because my doctor didn't recommend any tx and said the tx was almost
as bad as the disease. But now I've been doing more research and realize
that leaving this untreated is probably not a wise thing to do.

So I'm interested in how well people tolerated the treatments. Were you able
to care for yourself, work, go shopping, etc. What were the symptoms you got
from the treatments.

Thanks in advance.

Jeff N

> Re: Treatment Update
>
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Dec 2006 17:35 GMT
Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?

I did 3 rounds of tx.  All of them were difficult for me.  I had a very
strenuous, physical job that after a month, I couldn't work any more and
went out on temporary disability.  I worked the entire duration of my
second and third rounds because disability didn't pay enough for me to
make ends meet.  I lived by myself and did all my own chores, etc.  

Treatment symptoms?  They pretty much ran the gamut....but not all at
the same time and some not as bad as others.  Let me recall....headache,
fever, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, depression, insanity (LOL),
confusion, brain fog, dizziness, extreme fatigue, anger, rage, riba rash
(poison ivy type rash), joint pain, and hair thinning.  Some of the
above symptoms were due to anemia and hypothyroidism caused by the meds.
I did have a 'major event' while in my second round of tx.....I
developed a staph infection in a certain part of my anatomy that became
a systemic infection requiring surgery and a week in the hospital taking
3 different IV antibiotics to clear up.  That was definitely the worst
of it.  LOL.  I was hoping someone would shoot me to put me out of my
misery.  That's about all the side-effects I can think of, I'm sure
there are more, I just can't remember them all.  ahahahahahah

I've been without virus for more than 2 years now.  In spite of the
difficulty of tx, I can say it was absolutely worth it.  There are
positive things that come from having gone thru the experience.  I think
it's an excellent opportunity to learn about such things as compassion,
an appreciation for the simple things, as well as a sense of
gratefulness for all of life's blessings.  You can't get those at
Walmart.  

Anyway....... all the best to you, Jeff!
elmo
////////////    
Hi - I was dx'd about 3 years ago but put off doing anything about it.
Partly because my doctor didn't recommend any tx and said the tx was
almost as bad as the disease. But now I've been doing more research and
realize that leaving this untreated is probably not a wise thing to do.
So I'm interested in how well people tolerated the treatments. Were you
able to care for yourself, work, go shopping, etc. What were the
symptoms you got from the treatments.
Thanks in advance.
Jeff N

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Jeff - 29 Dec 2006 02:59 GMT
> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?

No, I haven't. Is it as much fun as it sounds?
tx
Jeff

> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?
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> second and third rounds because disability didn't pay enough for me to
> make ends meet.  I lived by myself and did all my own chores, etc.
Waterspider - 29 Dec 2006 08:21 GMT
>> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
>> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?
>>
> No, I haven't. Is it as much fun as it sounds?

<g>

It's a real barrel of laughs, but not nearly as much fun as spending day
after day after day not knowing if your liver is on the verge of packing it
in, always having that in the back of your mind, not knowing if you should
be looking into treatment or not, not knowing when you might end up on a
transplant list... or learning that it's not as bad as you thought it was
gonna be.

Good luck, and please keep us posted!

Waterspider
Paul - 29 Dec 2006 09:39 GMT
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:59:29 -0500, "Jeff" <jn425@comcast.net>, in
message ID <wqadnckyPasIGQnYnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the
newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
>> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?
>>
>No, I haven't. Is it as much fun as it sounds?
>tx
>Jeff

The funniest bit is when the doctor pricks your liver with a needle
and the liver deflates and flies around the ward making a balloon like
squeaking noise.
Waterspider - 29 Dec 2006 19:26 GMT
< SPEW >

... coffee all over the monitor.... hahahahaha! Thanks Paul, I forgot that
bit <still laughing>

Spidey
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 Dec 2006 14:33 GMT
Re: Treatment Update  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Dec 28, 2006, 9:59pm (CST+1)
From: jn425@comcast.net (Jeff)
Hi Jeff. You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
something about your hepc. Have you had a biopsy?
No, I haven't. Is it as much fun as it sounds? tx
Jeff
////////////
It's a whole lot more scary than painful.  I've had more pain at the
dental office.  If you've never had one before, you don't know what
you're missing.  :-)
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Jeff - 29 Dec 2006 15:50 GMT
thanks for all your answers and wise words, I got a few good chuckles too
which never hurt.

jeff

> Re: Treatment Update
>
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 Dec 2006 16:06 GMT
Yep, chuckles never hurt unless you've got chest wall pain, like when
you've got pneumonia.  On the up side, tho, chuckles help loosen up the
crap in your lungs and you end up coughing the sh.t up.  And that hurts
too.  'Wise' words?  ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!  Cut it out....you're
making me laugh.  
elmo
////////////////////
thanks for all your answers and wise words, I got a few good chuckles
too which never hurt.
jeff
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Re: Treatment Update
Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Dec 28, 2006, 9:59pm (CST+1)
From: jn425@comcast.net (Jeff)
Hi Jeff. You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
something about your hepc. Have you had a biopsy? No, I haven't. Is it
as much fun as it sounds? tx Jeff
////////////
It's a whole lot more scary than painful. I've had more pain at the
dental office. If you've never had one before, you don't know what
you're missing. :-)
elmo
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Jeff - 30 Dec 2006 01:47 GMT
I know one thing, when I do go for that biopsy I'm going to keep a picture
in my mind of my liver flying all around the room. I'm sure that will help
quell any anxiety. ;-)

tx
Jeff N

> Yep, chuckles never hurt unless you've got chest wall pain, like when
> you've got pneumonia.  On the up side, tho, chuckles help loosen up the
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Waterspider - 30 Dec 2006 06:24 GMT
>I know one thing, when I do go for that biopsy I'm going to keep a picture
>in my mind of my liver flying all around the room. I'm sure that will help
>quell any anxiety. ;-)

So will the white walls and padded cell, along with the heavy sedatives
they'll inject you with when you start laughing uproariously on the way to
your biopsy (thinking of the zooming liver).
They will simply think you're out of your everlovin' mind and treat you
accordingly.
Poof! Into the Psych Ward for that loon!
Then, of course you'll try to explain:
"My friend told me that he had a biopsy done and it struck him funny when
his liver shot out of his side like a balloon with the air let out, swooping
all over the room and making that funny ph-phtt-phtt-phtt-whoooooooooooooppp
noise as it went."
After the bug doctor makes a few notes in his book, he may even attempt to
have a conversation with you.
"Sure, Jeff, we understand... and does this friend talk to you often?"
Jeff - 30 Dec 2006 16:33 GMT
This just all brings to mind the line spoken in the Lord of the Rings by
Gimli the dwarf just before the last potential battle scene when they are
deciding whether to march right up to the gates of Mordor to distract
Saruman from noticing Frodo.

The odds are like 10,000 to one so Gimli says, "Certain death, little chance
of success - What are we waiting for?"

tx
Jeff N

>>I know one thing, when I do go for that biopsy I'm going to keep a picture
>>in my mind of my liver flying all around the room. I'm sure that will help
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> have a conversation with you.
> "Sure, Jeff, we understand... and does this friend talk to you often?"
maha - 30 Dec 2006 13:42 GMT
>> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
>> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?
>>
>No, I haven't. Is it as much fun as it sounds?
>tx
I experienced no pain whatsoever.  The absolute worst part of it was
having to lay still afterwards to make sure I wasn't bleeding
internally.  The only thing on the TV monitor was "The Guiding Light"
and "The Young and the Restless" and such.  I could feel my brain
turning into to jello.

Graham
Paul - 30 Dec 2006 13:53 GMT
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:42:22 -0600, maha <rgf3remove@bellsouth.net>,

>I experienced no pain whatsoever.  The absolute worst part of it was
>having to lay still afterwards to make sure I wasn't bleeding
>internally.  The only thing on the TV monitor was "The Guiding Light"
>and "The Young and the Restless" and such.  I could feel my brain
>turning into to jello.

The worst bit for me was walking out of the hospital after the biopsy.
Some kid rode into me on his cycle.  My natural instinct being to
protect my right side, he and his bike ended up flattened on the
pavement (sidewalk to you lot on t'other side of pond).  Luckily, we
were both OK.  Poor sod looked terrified LOL.
john - 31 Dec 2006 15:21 GMT
I experienced no pain whatsoever.  The absolute worst part of it was
> having to lay still afterwards to make sure I wasn't bleeding
> internally.  The only thing on the TV monitor was "The Guiding Light"
> and "The Young and the Restless" and such.  I could feel my brain
> turning into to jello.
>
> Graham
you are absolutly right i remember feeling nothing from the biopsy but
laying on my side afterwards for 4 hours sucked.Did Jim Morrison say
nobody gets out alive.lolol
Definitly not as funny as the liver flying around the room......john

> >> Hi Jeff.  You're probably right in realizing that you need to do
> >> something about your hepc.  Have you had a biopsy?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Graham
Paul - 27 Dec 2006 22:51 GMT
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:54:12 -0500, "Jeff" <jn425@comcast.net>, in
message ID <7u6dndn1kPqqOA_YnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the
newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>Hi - I was dx'd about 3 years ago but put off doing anything about it.
>Partly because my doctor didn't recommend any tx and said the tx was almost
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeff N

Unpleasant but very doable was my experience of tx.  From what I've
read on the internet, I would rate my side effects as having been
about average.
Waterspider - 28 Dec 2006 03:16 GMT
> <smip>
. Were you able
> to care for yourself, work, go shopping, etc.

Ahahahahahahahaha!

But then, I probably got worse sides than anyone, and I was damn near dead
when I started tx.
It worked tho, and it's all good today.

Waterspider
maha - 27 Dec 2006 22:07 GMT
>That's great, Graham!  Like you, I had 'Don King Syndrome' and a thyroid
>that went south on tx.  The hair came back normal after tx, as did my
>thyroid.  Here's to you finishing tx and getting your SVR. (Elmo hoists
>his coffee mug)  Keep us posted, would you?
>elmo

Elmo,

I'll do it!

Graham
Thomas Wagner - 27 Dec 2006 16:14 GMT
>My thyroid took a small hit, and I am now taking Synthroid to make up
>for the low hormone levels.  This may be permanent, a small price for
>an SVR in my book.

A lot of endocrinologists are pretty ignorant when it comes to side
effects of treatment. Your thyroid condition very likely is not
permanent - I had the same problems during tx, but fully recovered, and
so did others (such as Elmo and Russ, who had it much worse). It may
take some coaxing from your part (my doc was adamant that my condition
could not possibly have been caused by tx) to get your doc to repeat the
tests every few months and slowly wean you off the meds. Don't take no
for an answer.

Thomas
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maha - 27 Dec 2006 22:03 GMT
>A lot of endocrinologists are pretty ignorant when it comes to side
>effects of treatment. Your thyroid condition very likely is not
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>tests every few months and slowly wean you off the meds. Don't take no
>for an answer.

Thomas,

That's certainly good advice, and I will discuss it with my doctor.
I'll keep you posted.

Graham
Waterspider - 28 Dec 2006 03:13 GMT
Best of luck to you on your future as a "recovering riba-addict!" I like
that one, hadn't heard it before, so I guess you've coined a new term in the
Dictionary of Dragonisms.

I don't remember your posts, but I do remember your name, Maha, which
sounded real cheerful in a sinister kinda way. Nice to hear from you again,
and here's to a great 2007 with no more HCV and no more Evil Drugs!

Waterspider

>>Hi all,
>>Well the moment of truth has come for me. Completed 48 weeks of
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Graham
maha - 28 Dec 2006 18:11 GMT
>Best of luck to you on your future as a "recovering riba-addict!" I like
>that one, hadn't heard it before, so I guess you've coined a new term in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>sounded real cheerful in a sinister kinda way. Nice to hear from you again,
>and here's to a great 2007 with no more HCV and no more Evil Drugs!

Just as an aside:

Back when the Earth was still warm and the Internet was completely
text based (no browsers?), everyone used short nicknames to identify
themselves.  I started out using "czar", after one of my favorite
characters in history.  After awhile, I noticed lots of people were
using the same name, so I switched to "maha", which is the last 4
letters of my name spelled backwards.

Graham
Waterspider - 28 Dec 2006 22:50 GMT
>>Best of luck to you on your future as a "recovering riba-addict!" I like
>>that one, hadn't heard it before, so I guess you've coined a new term in
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Graham

Cool. Now I have a new nickname for my friend Graham here in Pender. We'll
see how long it takes him to figure out where it came from. On second
thought, maybe not. I wouldn't really like to having him going around
calling me Rets... <g>
Cactus Jammies - 29 Dec 2006 00:45 GMT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maha

Sanskrit with heavy astral spiritual overtones.   eg: MahaVishnuOrchestra

cactus jammies ;) ===========

"Waterspider" <waterspider@moonlight.net> wrote>
> "maha" <rgf3remove@bellsouth.net> wrote >> Just as an aside:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> thought, maybe not. I wouldn't really like to having him going around
> calling me Rets... <g> WS
maha - 30 Dec 2006 13:49 GMT
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maha
>
>Sanskrit with heavy astral spiritual overtones.   eg: MahaVishnuOrchestra
>
>cactus jammies ;) ===========

This is indeed interesting, I never knew that.  I do remember John
McLaughlin and the MahaVishnu Orchestra (re: "Birds of Fire")  That
was during my "King Crimson" days.  Gawd, I feel old....

Graham
Jeff - 05 Jan 2007 03:20 GMT
> This is indeed interesting, I never knew that.  I do remember John
> McLaughlin and the MahaVishnu Orchestra (re: "Birds of Fire")  That
> was during my "King Crimson" days.  Gawd, I feel old....
>
> Graham

ah but those were great days...

- jeff n

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maha
>>
>>Sanskrit with heavy astral spiritual overtones.   eg: MahaVishnuOrchestra
>>
>>cactus jammies ;) ===========
 
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