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Cactus Jammies - 06 Dec 2006 15:49 GMT Hello all, Let me share some information about likely causes and possible remedies for HCV induced Arthritis, which occurs in approximately 20% of Hep C infected or cleared patients. (Fatty LIver is present in over 70% of the same demographic)
I continue to experience symptoms of this Arthritic condition, more than a year after 48 weeks of tx. Up until recently, the use of Salazalzine had been a low cost alternative anti inflammatory used in diverse applications. We have hopes that Sal. will help clear some things up for us.
I have taken the ABSRACT of the paper, and presented it in sentence by sentence discussion form. The original was presented to the NIH in the USA. The full paper is available probably in some big libraries or by sending dollahs to the whomever authourity that guards that stuff. I can see myself doing just that. Spending more dollahs. :)
I see no hidden conspiracy of Pharmas and Big Liver Docs and their associations to suppress the value of the information,
however...
One wonders first of all if the advent of the combination therapy with pegalated interferons, a Rolling Thunder approach to enlisting the infected into the only known partly effective treatment as soon as possible, overtook the research that breached the idea of living with the effects of Hep-C, and which was dismissed in a common haste to treat. I can see that, as there has been a demographic roll-over to which those of us 'boomers' are the vast majority of the infected. There is lots of urgent pressure in that roll-over.
The Rolling Thunder approach was probably accepted as the best course for dealing with the HepC virii at the time. I can accept that. But just like the real Rolling Thunder, there have been many collateral insults and possibly damage done to many who undergo tx. (I am waiting for a more user-friendly treatment. The first one although giving my liver a bit of a recuperative rest for a year or so, bashed me pretty good in some other parts of my body and life)
Over all, I hope this is an indication that the virii, either grossly mutated and inactive or reduced to alien shells is what is clogging up things. A collection of virus boneyards perhaps, virii reduced to some shadow form, which is innate to the virus 'lifecycle', and that the human body has no way of riding itself naturally. Note that I do not say active virus, because of course, they don't wait around to be swept away. They're really really nasty.
ok enough of me. I only have questions, not answers, but I do like connecting dots into patterns. into discussion. my (interjections) are made between sentences.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11580301&query_hl=16&itool=pubmed_docsum
1: BioDrugs. 2001;15(9):573-84. Links
Management of hepatitis C virus-related arthritis.Zuckerman E, Yeshurun D, Rosner I. (yet to google these names for any follow up info, first/next task)
Liver Unit, Department of Internal Medicine A, Bnai Zion Medical Center, Haifa, Israel. zuckerman@b-zion.org.il (look for this unit online. they should be on the web.)
Hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection is often associated with extrahepatic manifestations among which arthropathy is common, affecting up to 20% of HCV-infected individuals. (all about numbers... I am in that catagory, it did not manifest itself until four months after treatment. that raises more questions about how long the virii shells take to coagulate into boneyards in your tendons and joints and maybe even past the Blood Brain barrier?)
This arthropathy is to be distinguished from the more superficially prominent myalgias and fatigue. (aging factors are complex, these symptomatic conditions are only perhaps misleading?)
HCV-related arthritis is commonly presented as rheumatoid-like, symmetrical inflammatory polyarthritis involving mainly small joints, or, less commonly, as mono- or oligoarthritis, usually of the large joints. (symmetrical, as joint pain mirrors itself from one side of the body to the other eventually, I guess, at least in my experience with my fingers. The hip joints and the big muscles from point of hip to knee feel strained in one leg, and are now just manifesting the other symptoms. The point where the tendons join the bone near the hip really hurt)
HCV arthritis usually runs a relatively benign course that, in contrast to 'true' rheumatoid arthritis (RA), is typically non-deforming and is not associated with articular bony erosions. (all a relief to know, but it hurts like hell sometimes. my friend Ibuprophen works, though)
In addition, unlike 'classic' RA, erythrocyte sedimentation rate is elevated only in about half of the patients and subcutaneous nodules are absent. In about two-thirds of the affected individuals morning stiffness may be severe, resolving after more than an hour. (I am one of those in the two-thirds category, and it does resolve within an hour of me moving my body around. Stationary posture during sleep time perhaps may allow the boneyards to re-coagulate?)
Several pathogenetic mechanisms may be involved: HCV arthritis may be part of the syndrome of mixed cryoglobulinaemia, or may be directly or indirectly mediated by HCV. (I pass on that one. cryo means frozen or static, I think. globulin is blood factor something. anemia is lack of something ???)
Such possible, but yet not proven, mechanisms include direct invasion of synovial cells by the virus eliciting local inflammatory response, cytokine-induced disease or immune complex disease, particularly in genetically susceptible individuals. (I understand that part, I think it is largely on track with how I look at this phenomenon.)
The diagnosis of HCV arthritis in patients with positive rheumatoid factor and chronic inflammatory polyarthritis may be difficult. (I had neither of those conditions active in my body. RA runs in my mom's family, but I have no swelling or constant pain, which is RA)
Positive HCV antibody and HCV RNA, and the absence of bony erosions, subcutaneous nodules and antikeratin antibodies, may be useful in distinguishing between HCV-related arthritis and RA. (as above, none of that stuff, just pain, no redness, no real inflammation showing to the surface of my body)
The optimal treatment of HCV-related arthritis has not yet been established. (the key word is 'Optimal' here. There is a practical need to try to treat across the whole of the infected population, all who suffer from other condtions that may interact with a simple cure for all, like a sulpha type drug a wonder drug when discovered)
Concerns may be raised regarding the use of immunosuppressive or potentially hepatotoxic drugs. (of course)
However, it may be suggested that once the diagnosis of HCV-associated arthritis is made, combination antiviral treatment with interferon-alpha and ribavirin should be initiated as part of the therapeutic armamentarium. (of course, and as per current practice, albeit refined a bit more subjectively per patient since 2001)
Low dose oral corticosteroids, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, hydroxychloroquine or SULFASALAZINE in addition to the antiviral therapy can be used to control arthritis-related symptoms. (they meant to prove this.)
Some patients may need long term anti-inflammatory treatment in various combinations, along with antiviral therapy. (looking into the future for the protraction of the anti-inflammatory treatment period)
In patients with severe, disabling or life-threatening cryoglobulinaemia-related symptoms refractory to antiviral or anti-inflammatory treatment, high dose corticosteroids (including pulse therapy) and/or plasmapheresis may be needed. ( not my department. take two assburns and see me in the morning. :)
PMID: 11580301 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Related LinksHepatitis C virus-related arthritis: characteristics and response to therapy with interferon alpha. [Clin Exp Rheumatol.
2000] PMID: 11072597 NIH Consensus Statement on Management of Hepatitis C: 2002. [NIH Consens State Sci Statements. 2002]
PMID: 14768714 Interferon-alpha and ribavirin treatment in patients with hepatitis C virus-related systemic vasculitis. [Arthritis
Rheum. 2002] PMID: 12483738 Hepatitis C virus-related cryoglobulinemia and glomerulonephritis: pathogenesis and therapeutic
strategies. [Ann Ital Med Int. 2005] PMID: 16052839 Hepatitis C virus and arthritis. [Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 2003]
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Cactus Jammies - 06 Dec 2006 17:00 GMT "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@phish.net> wrote ...
> Several pathogenetic mechanisms may be involved: HCV arthritis may be part > of the syndrome of mixed cryoglobulinaemia, or may be directly or > indirectly mediated by HCV. > (I pass on that one. cryo means frozen or static, I think. globulin is > blood factor something. anemia is lack of something ???) definitions and interactions on mixed cryoglobulinaemia
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001282/
Cactus Jammies - 06 Dec 2006 19:12 GMT Is this getting too academic for some out there? Please let me know and if so, I will go back to trying to bleat rather that roar :0 heh heh no offense, a dig at myself actually.
> definitions and interactions on mixed cryoglobulinaemia > > http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001282/ >................................................................................ and from links in that page, a specific reference to Hepatitis C (goodpasture's syndrome)
cryoglobulemia is loosely described by me as the gunk of left-over viruii that have a tendency to accumulate. maybe.
(I think increased bile production may be of help for the liver itself and thereby the gallbladder and the kidneys) - cj Preamble then link to Goodpasture's syndrome:
Autoimmune diseases are usually:
a.. Systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, Sjögren syndrome b.. Vasculitis - Polyarteritis nodosa, Henoch-Schönlein purpura. Differential Diagnosis The differential diagnosis includes looking for the underlying cause of the cryoglobulinaemia:
Antiphospholipid Syndrome Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia Cirrhosis Glomerulonephritis
Goodpasture Syndrome Haemolytic Uraemic Syndrome Hepatitis A, B or C <<<<<<<<<< ####
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma Multiple Myeloma Polyarteritis Nodosa
Sarcoidosis Systemic Lupus Erythematosus Waldenstrom's macroglobulinaemia.
Investigations
a.. Check for serum cryoglobulins. The blood must be kept warm and then serum incubated at 4°C. Type I tends to precipitate within the first 24 hours but type III may take a week. Correct handling is essential for reliable diagnosis2. b.. FBC: leucocytosis may occur with infection or leukaemia. There may be anaemia. c.. Urinalysis may show evidence of renal disease. d.. U&E: in case of renal disease e.. LFTs: may show hepatitis. If so get serology for hepatitis. f.. Rheumatoid Factor: RF is positive in type II and III. g.. Antinuclear antibody: if SLE suspected. h.. ESR will be elevated with rouleaux formation. i.. Complement levels may be reduced, especially C4. j.. Electrophoresis of serum and urine if there is suspicion of an underlying gammopathy. k.. Further tests will be required if other diseases are suspected. l.. m.. ............ specifically to Hep C ......... Goodpasture's syndrome An autoimmune disease which is characterised by
a.. deposition of antibodies to the glomerular basement membrane along with compliment b.. a progressive glomerulonephritis and often renal failure. c.. Cross reaction with the basement membrane in the lungs causing pulmonary haemorrhage. Epidemiology Incidence It is uncommon. It affects mostly young, white men aged 15 to 35 with a further peak after 55 when it is more common in women1 and tends to affect just the kidneys. The male preponderance is between 2 and 9 to 1. It affects both sexes equally in children. Classification can be difficult in that sometime either the lungs or the kidneys are affected but not both. However, the presence of autoantibodies to the glomerular basement membrane is the diagnostic feature.
In the USA it represents 1 to 2% of all cases of rapidly progressive glomerulonephritis. In England the incidence is about 1 in 2 million. Wegener granulomatosis is about 10 times as common.
Risk Factors Insults to the lungs are probably required to produce both the renal and pulmonary disease.
Genetic predisposition2,3 with possession of HLA-DRw2. Exposure to organic solvents or hydrocarbons4 <<<<<< carbon tet for instance? Smoking Infection (eg, influenza) Cocaine inhalation Exposure to metal dusts Goodpasture's syndrome can occur after renal transplantation in Alport's syndrome5. Presentation Symptoms Between 60 and 80% have both renal and pulmonary disease. The kidneys alone are affected in 20 to 40% and in about 10% only the lungs are affected.
a.. Chills and fever present in about 25% of patients. b.. There is nausea and vomiting in 40%. c.. Weight loss occurs in about 15%. d.. Chest pain is present in approximately 40% of patients. e.. Anaemia may result from persistent intrapulmonary bleeding. f.. Massive pulmonary haemorrhage can cause respiratory failure. g.. There is a rapidly progressive glomerulonephritis that may lead to acute renal failure and volume overload h.. Arthralgia. Sometimes the pulmonary haemorrhage may precede the renal disease by weeks or months. Signs
a.. Tachypnoea b.. Inspiratory crackles over lung bases. c.. Cyanosis d.. Hepatosplenomegaly (sometimes) e.. Hypertension in 20% f.. Skin rash Dyspnoea can be severe. Death is often due to respiratory failure. There may be gross haematuria and pallor from anaemia. Differential Diagnosis Pulmonary haemorrhage with renal failure can also occur in collagen vascular diseases like SLE and RA, idiopathic rapidly progressive glomerulonephritis, microscopic polyarteritis, Wegener's granulomatosis, and essential mixed cryoglobulinemia. All these diseases have specific laboratory features. In Goodpasture's syndrome the essential feature is antibody to the glomerular basement membrane.
Investigations
FBC. Iron-deficiency anaemia from intrapulmonary bleeding. Leukocytosis.
U&E and creatinine: Watch for renal failure.
ESR is raised in vasculitis but not in this disorder.
Urinalysis is typical of acute glomerulonephritis, with low-grade albuminuria, gross or microscopic haematuria, and red blood cell casts. Anti-GBM antibodies are diagnostic: Assays for antibodies are valuable for confirming the diagnosis and monitoring therapy. Radioimmunoassays or enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays (ELISAs) for anti-GBM antibodies are highly sensitive (>95%) and specific (>97%) but are performed only in a few laboratories. Although the peak of serum anti-GBM antibody titre does not correlate with the severity of disease, changes in titre over time may be a guide to the efficacy of treatment.
Antineutrophilic cytoplasmic antibodies (ANCA). At sometime during the illness, one third of patients with Goodpasture syndrome have circulating ANCA in addition to anti-GBM antibody.
Imaging: CXR. Patchy consolidation, usually bilateral, symmetrical, perihilar, and bibasilar. The apices and costophrenic angles are usually spared. 18% may have normal CXR. Recurrent pulmonary haemorrhage causes new opacities.
Other Tests: Pulmonary function tests are not helpful. Spirometry may show some restriction.
Procedures: Percutaneous kidney biopsy is the preferred invasive procedure to substantiate the diagnosis. Not indicated if anti-GBM antibodies are present. Lung biopsy: Either transbronchial or open lung biopsy may be performed in cases where renal biopsy cannot be performed.
Management Non-Drug
a.. Intubation, assisted ventilation, and haemodialysis are often required in the acute phase. b.. Repeated plasmapheresis6 removes anti-glomerular basement membrane antibodies from the circulation. c.. End-stage renal disease can be managed by long-term haemodialysis or renal transplantation. Drugs High-dose corticosteroids (methylprednisolone 7 to 15 mg/kg/day IV in divided doses) with cyclophosphamide or azathioprine are of benefit. Duration of immunosuppressive therapy varies considerably and may be necessary for longer than 12 to 18 months in some patients. Early use of these measures in combination may preserve renal function.
Surgical Cessation of pulmonary haemorrhage has been described after bilateral nephrectomy. Renal transplantation has been used and although there are IgG deposits in the graft it does not appear to damage the kidney. Most centres still like to wait 6 to 12 months before transplantation.
Complications
a.. Pulmonary haemorrhage with respiratory failure is the commonest cause of death. b.. Renal failure in 90%. c.. The circulating antibodies clear within 8 weeks, but an early relapse within 2 months may occur when circulating antibodies are still present. This typically presents as alveolar haemorrhage. d.. The risk factors for relapse include infection, volume overload, and cigarette smoking. e.. Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia has an annual incidence of 1% but is a potentially deadly complication of immunosuppressive therapy in patients with Goodpasture syndrome. Prophylaxis with co-trimoxazole may be useful. Prognosis In the past, the disease was almost invariably fatal, and sometimes rapidly so. Now the mortality rate is about 10%, Most progress to end stage renal failure within months. Early, energetic treatment may delay or prevent this. It can last from a couple of weeks to 2 years.
Prevention No known prevention but avoid glue sniffing and siphoning petrol.
References Used
1.. Savage CO, Pusey CD, Bowman C, et al; Antiglomerular basement membrane antibody mediated disease in the British Isles 1980-4.;Br Med J (Clin Res Ed) 1986 Feb 1;292(6516):301-4.[abstract] 2.. D'Apice AJ, Kincaid-Smith P, Becker GH, et al; Goodpasture's syndrome in identical twins.;Ann Intern Med 1978 Jan;88(1):61-2. 3.. Gossain VV, Gerstein AR, Janes AW; Goodpasture's syndrome: a familial occurrence.;Am Rev Respir Dis 1972 Apr;105(4):621-4. 4.. Bombassei GJ, Kaplan AA; The association between hydrocarbon exposure and anti-glomerular basement membrane antibody-mediated disease (Goodpasture's syndrome).;Am J Ind Med 1992;21(2):141-53.[abstract] 5.. Hudson BG, Tryggvason K, Sundaramoorthy M, et al; Alport's syndrome, Goodpasture's syndrome, and type IV collagen.;N Engl J Med 2003 Jun 19;348(25):2543-56. 6.. Lockwood CM, Rees AJ, Pearson TA, et al; Immunosuppression and plasma-exchange in the treatment of Goodpasture's syndrome.;Lancet 1976 Apr 3;1(7962):711-5.[abstract] Internet and further reading
a.. Sharma.S, Verrelli.M on eMedicine b.. Valentini.R.P. on eMedicine Acknowledgements EMIS is grateful to Dr P Hewish for authoring this article. The final copy has passed peer review of the independent Mentor GP authoring team. ©EMIS 2004.
Cactus Jammies - 06 Dec 2006 19:39 GMT awww geeez I see I have unintentionally led us up the wrong path. I took Goodpasture's syndrome to be that the manifestation of infectious Hepatitis IS directly related to this GP's syndrome. As it turns out, I was too hasty with the links, and Hepatitus seems to be a specific cause of cryoglobulemia, not a situation leading to Goodpasture's. SO SORRY. I did not mean to do that.
apologies. anyway I am going in for a physical soon and I will ask my friendly PCP to do a Kidney workup for me, as well as the rest. Meanwhile my cat is telling me to stop smoking. ya right.
heh heh cj
> Is this getting too academic for some out there? Please let me know and > if so, I will go back to trying to bleat rather that roar :0 heh heh no [quoted text clipped - 227 lines] > article. The final copy has passed peer review of the independent Mentor > GP authoring team. ©EMIS 2004. kjoh - 06 Dec 2006 21:37 GMT Attention information overload bzzz bzzz bzzz
:-) lay off the sugar and fat and stop smoking meow
Dr. Koko
Cactus Jammies - 06 Dec 2006 21:44 GMT It was caffeine and no food that did me in this morning. info overload, like Elvis, I am just tryna get it out there as fast as I can. It didn't work for me or anyone else. Your message is spot on there, Dr. Kookoo. Oh... I don't take sugar and no added fat except for stirfrys and some oleo (good kind) what I was missing also was my egg and toast and fruit. smeeeshhh! time for a cat-sleeping ciggie now that the beans have gone down. don't tell. roar.
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> Attention information overload > bzzz bzzz bzzz [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dr. Koko kjoh - 06 Dec 2006 22:36 GMT Hi group. There are two not-so-academic articles on this page about hcv-realted cryoglobulins written for a general audience. They are from the Janis7hepc.com website. Ping Eileen (if you are reading) can you tell us if your routine blood tests for kidney function were usually normal until you lost a kidney to glomerulonephritis caused by cryoglobulins? I mean was your attack sudden or were there detectable abnormalities that led up to it, before your kidney failed? Did your neuropathy develop long before the kidney failure? I have several cryoglobulin-related symptoms. My peripheral joint pain is worsening and cold makes it worse :-( I did test negative for cryoglobulins at the end of tx. I might ask to be tested again soon, but I don't think our local labs are equipped to run the test, which is a problem.
Below is an excert from one of the articles that briefly explains what cryoglobs are.
Solstice soon! Yay! I hate these short days. Grumble. kj
"When the body senses an invasion by foreign organisms, such as HCV, chemical responses are triggered. Among those responses are various kinds of immunoglobulin proteins that help kill the foreigners or regulate the immune response. For some reason -- biologists are not sure why -- these immunoglobulins can "glob" together and lodge on the walls of medium and small blood vessels. The immunoglobulins that are involved are called cryoglobulins because they turn into a gel at cool temperatures. Since cold temperature readily affects the small and middle-sized vessels in the body's extremities, the cryoglobulins are most likely to form in them. It appears that this glob-and-lodge action causes the inflammation of blood vessels. Cryoglobulinemia is the condition of having cryoglobulins in the blood. "
http://www.janis7hepc.com/related_conditions2.htm#cryoglobulinemia
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