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And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as Texas. Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe Rev. http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Lucky dog. I want a new computer. LOL Seriously, you deserve it. Enjoy. Mom > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > Texas. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as >Texas. >Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe >Rev. Have you already decided what you're getting? Thomas Re: Yep Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 7:07pm From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as Texas. Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe Rev. Have you already decided what you're getting? Thomas Not really, and I'm open to suggestions. Thanks, Thomas. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >Not really, and I'm open to suggestions. Dell is hard to beat... they currently have a pretty useable system for $499 (after mail-in rebate) with monitor, although I'd probably spend $599 (same $100 rebate) to get double memory and a slightly faster disk drive. Check the Dimension 2400 systems under "outrageous deals": http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/offers/specials_3x_special36.htm The free shipping offer expires tomorrow evening, but it's likely to come back (or they'll throw in something else). $799 (after a $250 mail-in rebate) buys you a pretty nice notebook if you check the Inspiron 1100 under "small business" systems: http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/offers/specials_3x_inspn_fix1100.htm Both those systems are compareable in features and performance. The notebook is likely to be slightly (but probably not noticeably) slower. But its big advantage: little desk space needed, and you can take it with you when you travel. Thomas > >Not really, and I'm open to suggestions. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thomas Tell you what Wagner, I'll build you a computer to your own specs at 10% less than Dell, and for no extra charge it will be fitted with security software so you won't be getting those email viruses you keep whining about. Send your orders to Lord Cerne Abbas at Cerne Abbas and of course, as per an agreement made long ago, the tax should be sent to Spinach. Lord Cerne Abbas > > >Not really, and I'm open to suggestions. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Lord Cerne Abbas What ever happened to Spinach? I really enjoyed his posts. Cody <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as Texas. Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe Rev. Have you already decided what you're getting? Not really, and I'm open to suggestions. Well, well, Rev, I didn't think you'd ever do it, but congratufuckinglations!!! Does this mean you don't own a carpet shampooer, or have you shaved Heidi??? And, since you asked... I've owned about a dozen computers in the past 20 or so years, and two of my three current and operating ones (I've got a couple of "collectors" boxed up in the storage room) are Dells; a laptop and a desktop (tower). My suggestion is that you go to their website and pick the best system you can afford. It will lead you through a number of choices in the system you want to buy, and you can pretty much go with their recommended or default options with the following considerations: - A laptop is cool and fun, but unless you really need it for business it's more of a toy and you generally can find better things to play with away from home. Sort of like driving around with your guitars. Also note that the laptop is poorly named. They are awkward to use on your lap, and generate a heat that is soon uncomfortable with only a layer of denim (or whatever) between it and you. A desktop monitor is easier to view than a laptop screen. Finally, a desktop is less money. - Unless you plan on playing a lot of graphic-intensive video-type games or doing a lot of complicated multitasking, a lightening processor speed isn't that important. I would, however, suggest you spend the extra $ to get a Pentium (rather than a Celeron) processor. - Get as much RAM as you can afford. The more you have, the better your programs run. - You should get a floppy drive; the majority of people and a number of companies still use them, and they're cheaper than CDs & DVDs. - I'm sure you'll soon be combining your computer with your love of music, so make sure you have a good sound card and speaker system. A cheapie graphics card will be fine. - Yes, you'll want a CD burner, and make sure it's a CD-RW (rewritable) so you can update or change the info you burn (write to) the CD. This often shows up on Dell's site as a free upgrade. - A 40 gig hard drive is more than enough for most folks unless they're editing movies or some such other graphically complicated work. Music files take up a lot of space too, but that's what you've got the burner for. Even with a huge hard drive, your 'puter will run better without a lot of crap on the hard drive. - I've never had to get a Dell serviced, and the company who holds the service contract here on the coast has never had a service call for a Dell. If you're on a budget, I wouldn't worry too much about the extended warranty because (usually) if something is gonna go wrong, it will screw up in the first few months. Way to go, Rev, you're gonna love it, and there's nothing like a new toy to take your mind off treatment. Only problem is, we won't be able to call you a web-tv weenie anymore... All the best, Waterspider <Waffle snipped> > Waterspider *snigger* The biggest problem with you parading yourself as a computer expert is that you already told us you intend installing Windoze XP on your new computer. That alone proves what a complete dork you are. Lord Cerne Abbas | <Waffle snipped> | > | > Waterspider | | *snigger* The biggest problem with you parading yourself as a computer expert My area of expertise is dpt, not hardware, and I've never claimed to be a "computer expert." But then you knew that already. Likewise, I've owned and driven vehicles for more than 30 years, but saying that doesn't mean I'm claiming to be an automotive mechanic, you dork. Waterspider > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > Texas. > Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe > Rev. I have a C, D and E drive so watch out, partner! Get a Dell if you don't know anyone that can build you a white box. Cody What the hell is a 'white box'? http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Build your own. "White box" refers to a generic, non brand case that you can get from a computer supplier or some retail stores. Dell would be a brand name computer and probably the best for your money if you can't or you don't know anyone who can build a computer from scratch. Cody > What the hell is a 'white box'? > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum it's a black box that got erased. Dez > What the hell is a 'white box'? > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum | it's a black box that got erased. Now I want to hear your definition of a black hole... <g> Waterspider build your own. I've been doing it for a few years now. Sort of a hobby, I like to tinker with sh.t. With building your own custom computer, you can choose what components to use. I've had very good luck using AMD Athlon chips and VIA chipsets. Less money then Intel CPUs. Current machine is 3 years old and still quite peppy, but I'm going to have to break down here some time and upgrade.  SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com > What the hell is a 'white box'? > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or risk what I just went through with your CD Shattering in the D: Drive. I like my View Sonic monitor too if you go desktop the three parrots are fun to look at so colorful. Personally I use a Gateway, and I like it. This is my second one. It recently shattered my printer CD and altho it is three years old, they have an excellent service record. With any computer company, I am almost certain you have to put up with voice mail so what is the difference. Stay away from Compaq. Hoof > build your own. I've been doing it for a few years now. Sort of a hobby, I > like to tinker with sh.t. With building your own custom computer, you can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or risk > what I just went through with your CD Shattering in the D: Drive. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > mail so what is the difference. Stay away from Compaq. > Hoof They replaced my mother board, my D rive and put in a new fan all of it was free. under Warranty. Hoof > > build your own. I've been doing it for a few years now. Sort of a hobby, I > > like to tinker with sh.t. With building your own custom computer, you can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum I would be surprised if you could by a computer without a cd-burner at minimum nowadays.... SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or risk > what I just went through with your CD Shattering in the D: Drive. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or risk > what I just went through with your CD Shattering in the D: Drive. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > mail so what is the difference. Stay away from Compaq. > Hoof And HP, Packard Bell and any other brand name computer other than Dell. Cody > > build your own. I've been doing it for a few years now. Sort of a hobby, I > > like to tinker with sh.t. With building your own custom computer, you can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or > risk [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > And HP, Packard Bell and any other brand name computer other than Dell. I like my HP printer. the 1200 by 2400 dpi. That was the CD that shattered in my Drive btw, and it cost me $10.00 to replace it from HP. But still less costly than buying another computer. Hoof > Cody > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or > > risk [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > than buying another computer. > Hoof I was talking about computers, not printers. HP isn't bad but Lexmark (IBM) is better. Cody > > Cody > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > > > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or > > > risk [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I was talking about computers, not printers. HP isn't bad but Lexmark (IBM) > is better. I was looking at the DPIs and I don't think that Lexmark made the type of machine I needed for photo etc. It may have, but was out of my price range. I recently bought a new fax machine. Around here when one piece of equipment goes they all go. I had to fax my answers into Texas fro my CEUs and wouldn't ya know it, the damn machine decided not to work. So I bought one that is a laser not a jet. I come from the world of no technology used on the job. The latest technology I used in my job was a Bic. Oh we used to have a variety of Bic, like red ones and black ones and blue ones or was it green, for each shift, but we down sized to using only black bics. I do miss my manual typewriter though, not sure what the ex did with it. when we split up, he gave me an electric in trade. Hoof > Cody > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > > > > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or > > > > risk [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > we split up, he gave me an electric in trade. > Hoof And in case your wondering about some of my letters to the editor, one about the State using the latest technology, and in our case, that technology was a bic. Guess they wanted us to write with invisible ink or just not keep any records, who knows, but it really made me angry enuff to write a response to the the Editor who published the complainer. Hoof > > Cody > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > > > > > Be sure you get a CD burner so you can make copies of your software or > > > > > risk [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > published the complainer. > Hoof Sorry I am sitting her laughing my A off so if that wasn't clear someone complained to the newspaper that the State was spending too much money on equipment already and they were tired of their tax dollars going to buy the latest technology, in our case it was a Bic pen. on the plus side, you get really familiar with others handwriting and you can see who is stressed, who is new and who is carrying a heavy work load. Hoof > > > Cody > > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Yo, Don't build your own while on treatment.- or maybe *you* should build one- on shot night ahhhhhhhaaaaa You're asking for hassle IMHO.....more important are you going broadband (dsl or cable internet)? fonzz | What the hell is a 'white box'? | | http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile | | http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum hell, I can take these things apart and put them back together in my sleep. But its all the friggan software that gets tedious!! I use GoBack, it's a life saver. I used to use Norton Ghost, but GoBack is really easy and works well. Saved me from a few reinstalls!! Ah, DSL is king!! I have 512kb connection, it's great. SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com > Yo, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > | > | http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > hell, I can take these things apart and put them back together in my sleep. > But its all the friggan software that gets tedious!! I use GoBack, it's a > life saver. I used to use Norton Ghost, but GoBack is really easy and works > well. Saved me from a few reinstalls!! > > Ah, DSL is king!! I have 512kb connection, it's great. I like cable better and my 1024 kb flies. Cody > > Yo, > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > | > > | http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? Pentium 4 2.5 GHz 512 MB DDR-Dram Memory 80 GB at 7200rpm hard drive 1.44 floppy drive video card sound card Sony DVD+R/RW burner 56x CPR 56 K modem 15" flat screen LCD monitor color printer/scanner/copier Windows XP 10-100 network card speakers, keyboard and mouse Hope I don't have to upgrade soon. The computer is being assembled in the US by a really nice Chinese guy. I like getting it built by him because I get exactly what I want, don't have to fill out reams of paper to get rebates that your money is tied up for weeks on end. I can't understand a damn thing he says, but what the hell. I just nod when I talk to him. LOL. He gave me a flat bottom line price. I pick it up on Wednesday. If you don't hear from me for a few days, it's cause I electrocuted myself setting it up. I've got to assemble the desk I got for it between now and then. I enjoy fiddling about with Chinese language instructions, screw drivers and such when I'm on tx. I was gonna tease the guy at the store about being Buddhist, but I was getting a good deal on the computer package. Maybe when all the boxes are in the car, I'll hurl a few insults at him. sh.t, I almost forgot! I'll have to deal with him if something goes wrong. Forget it. Never mind! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum sounds like a keeper...congrats on you move to the 21 century. :~) Did you get any software, like a firewall, and antivirus? I got a Linksys router, and norton firewall when I got dsl. Seems to work out okay. Also got an uninterrutable power supply. It's great when the power suddenly goes out. It was only $39.00...Have fun... Larry > Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? > Pentium 4 2.5 GHz [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:25:37 -0400 (EDT), elmoemerson@webtv.net, in message ID <18963-3F75F241-76@storefull-2311.public.lawson.webtv.net>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >Pentium 4 2.5 GHz >512 MB DDR-Dram Memory [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >color printer/scanner/copier >Windows XP Sounds a pretty good spec to me Elmo. May have been better if the DVD burner did -R/RW too, while it's still being established which format will dominate but it shouldn't be too important as many of the newer DVD players (connected to the TV) will play back multiple formats now. If you do lots of CD/DVD burning, a double drive system is handy but you could spend bucks forever. Good to see that the sound and video cards are mentioned separately. Hopefully that means that they're not integrated (easier upgrades later and don't borrow system memory). SignaturePaul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email It will do R/RW media and has a double drive. I'm gonna get dingleballs to hang from the monitor. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum sllllluuuuurrrrrrrp (the sound of drooling). sounds good! you'll love that flat screen lcd monitor! Dez > Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? > Pentium 4 2.5 GHz [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum So how much is it gonna cost you? AMD is cheaper than Intel but I suppose it's to late for him to change it. Cody > Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? > Pentium 4 2.5 GHz [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum He wants my next-born child, but I'm not having anymore. What does Dell charge for a system like that? This webtv won't let me into their site to check. I saw similar systems elsewhere that didn't include the speakers, keypad and merely a printer for about the same price. He's going to toss in some more stuff, I'm a good friend of a good friend, so he's giving me the best components and what not. And if something goes wrong, he told me I can call him 24 hours a day. LOL. If I have a problem, I take my tower to him and he'll fix it on the spot, no charge while under warranty. What do you think it should cost me? Then I'll tell you if I'm embarrassed at how much I paid. LOL. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX So how much is it gonna cost you? AMD is cheaper than Intel but I suppose it's to late for him to change it. Cody <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18963-3F75F241-76@storefull-2311.public.lawson.webtv.net... Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? Pentium 4 2.5 GHz 512 MB DDR-Dram Memory 80 GB at 7200rpm hard drive 1.44 floppy drive video card sound card Sony DVD+R/RW burner 56x CPR 56 K modem 15" flat screen LCD monitor color printer/scanner/copier Windows XP 10-100 network card speakers, keyboard and mouse Hope I don't have to upgrade soon. The computer is being assembled in the US by a really nice Chinese guy. I like getting it built by him because I get exactly what I want, don't have to fill out reams of paper to get rebates that your money is tied up for weeks on end. I can't understand a damn thing he says, but what the hell. I just nod when I talk to him. LOL. He gave me a flat bottom line price. I pick it up on Wednesday. If you don't hear from me for a few days, it's cause I electrocuted myself setting it up. I've got to assemble the desk I got for it between now and then. I enjoy fiddling about with Chinese language instructions, screw drivers and such when I'm on tx. I was gonna tease the guy at the store about being Buddhist, but I was getting a good deal on the computer package. Maybe when all the boxes are in the car, I'll hurl a few insults at him. sh.t, I almost forgot! I'll have to deal with him if something goes wrong. Forget it. Never mind! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum regardless of the price Elmo, you'll have a lot of fun with your new 'puter!!! Enjoy!! SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com > He wants my next-born child, but I'm not having anymore. What does Dell > charge for a system like that? This webtv won't let me into their site [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum I reckon you're going to pay around a grand for this. Cody > He wants my next-born child, but I'm not having anymore. What does Dell > charge for a system like that? This webtv won't let me into their site [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum | So how much is it gonna cost you? | | AMD is cheaper than Intel but I suppose it's to late for him to change it. But Intel is a better chip, I think. > | So how much is it gonna cost you? > | > | AMD is cheaper than Intel but I suppose it's to late for him to change it. > > But Intel is a better chip, I think. Not so. AMD has consistently beaten Intel in tests and price, especially price. Cody Cody <youhavetoaskandbereally@nice.com> | "Waterspider" <noapam@all> wrote | > | > | So how much is it gonna cost you? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | Not so. AMD has consistently beaten Intel in tests and price, especially | price. Thanks for the clarification, Guru. <g> Waterspider Sounds like a good package to me!!! SignatureRegards, Shawn . > Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? > Pentium 4 2.5 GHz [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote... | Is this a decent starter package for a lowly webtver? You betcha! The only things I think you might want to upgrade after you're really comfortable with the beast and want to start getting more out of it are the sound card and the modem. A word about your printer combo: Use it sparingly and avoid colour whenever possible (replacement cartridges are pricey). Rev, you gonna have a ball! Waterspider Re: Yep Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 12:42pm (EDT+6) From: youhavetoaskandbe@nice.com (Cody) "Russ Tanner" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vn29fheehospa9@corp.supernews.com... hell, I can take these things apart and put them back together in my sleep. But its all the friggan software that gets tedious!! I use GoBack, it's a life saver. I used to use Norton Ghost, but GoBack is really easy and works well. Saved me from a few reinstalls!! Ah, DSL is king!! I have 512kb connection, it's great. SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com I like cable better and my 1024 kb flies. Cody <Fonzz> wrote in message news:v6SdnRdiGMvan-yiU-KYgw@comcast.com... Yo, Don't build your own while on treatment.- or maybe *you* should build one- on shot night ahhhhhhhaaaaa You're asking for hassle IMHO.....more important are you going broadband (dsl or cable internet)? fonzz I'm going to use DSL, isn't high speed cable here yet. we're out in the boonies here. dsl is just fine...I had it before cable got here and the company made me switch. fonzz > Re: Yep > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I'm going to use DSL, isn't high speed cable here yet. we're out in the > boonies here. What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll have to use my phone line for the connection out. Thanks for the advice everyone! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum If you can choose between cable and DSL, go for cable. Cody > What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the > computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum DSL runs on your current phone line, you can be online and talk on the phone at the same time. Cable is another option, but either way you would be wayyyy more happy then with a slow dialup. My DSL is 10 times faster then a dial up. Look for deals where you get the dsl modem for free for a 12 month contract or some such deal. Do some looking around and see what you can get in your area. Naturally if you don't have cable in your neighborhood like me, you won't get cable. And sometimes DSL isn't available if your too far out in the sticks. email me anytime elmo if I can help. SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com > What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the > computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Cable doesn't use the phone line so you can be online and on the phone just like DSL. In either case, make sure you have a anti virus and firewall. You can get an anti virus free at www.grisoft.com and a firewall, also free, at www.sygate.com Both are excellent. Cody > DSL runs on your current phone line, you can be online and talk on the phone > at the same time. Cable is another option, but either way you would be [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Russ. I will. I've given a list of stuff I want to a buddy of mine and a friend of his who owns a computer shop is going to build it for me. I should save hundreds. Elmo Re: Yep Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 6:16am (EDT-4) From: sourdo55 at yahoo.com (Russ Tanner) DSL runs on your current phone line, you can be online and talk on the phone at the same time. Cable is another option, but either way you would be wayyyy more happy then with a slow dialup. My DSL is 10 times faster then a dial up. Look for deals where you get the dsl modem for free for a 12 month contract or some such deal. Do some looking around and see what you can get in your area. Naturally if you don't have cable in your neighborhood like me, you won't get cable. And sometimes DSL isn't available if your too far out in the sticks. email me anytime elmo if I can help. SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:23313-3F716766-1@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net... What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll have to use my phone line for the connection out. Thanks for the advice everyone! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com Thanks, Russ. I will. I've given a list of stuff I want to a buddy of mine and a friend of his who owns a computer shop is going to build it for me. I should save hundreds. Elmo Re: Yep Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 6:16am (EDT-4) From: sourdo55 at yahoo.com (Russ Tanner) DSL runs on your current phone line, you can be online and talk on the phone at the same time. Cable is another option, but either way you would be wayyyy more happy then with a slow dialup. My DSL is 10 times faster then a dial up. Look for deals where you get the dsl modem for free for a 12 month contract or some such deal. Do some looking around and see what you can get in your area. Naturally if you don't have cable in your neighborhood like me, you won't get cable. And sometimes DSL isn't available if your too far out in the sticks. email me anytime elmo if I can help. SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: russ at tannersacre.com http://www.tannersacre.com <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:23313-3F716766-1@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net... What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll have to use my phone line for the connection out. Thanks for the advice everyone! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! Only if you know what's going into the rig and are given a good warranty to go with it. Otherwise, especially if it's your first computer, it could be a huge pain in the a.s. Waterspider > | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Waterspider Except for Dell, ALL name brand computers are a "pain in the a.s". Cody | > | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! | > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | Except for Dell, ALL name brand computers are a "pain in the a.s". Alienware looks pretty cool but I don't know anyone who has one. Amigas were wonderful (in their time) but then they weren't running on Windoze. On the whole I agree with you, but I have seen some disasters with folks who let a friend build them a puter with the same specs as, say a loaded 4600 "and for way less money." That's what my first pc was, and it was garbage. Waterspider > | > | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > | > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Waterspider Your "friend" didn't know what he or she was doing. It is important that everything you put in the case is compatible. Cody | > | > | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! | > | > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | Your "friend" didn't know what he or she was doing. It is important that | everything you put in the case is compatible. Everything was compatable, just cheap & cheesy components. Waterspider > | > | > | Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > | > | > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Waterspider That isn't a good idea either. We only use quality components. For example, we have some RAM arriving from Crucial today. It only takes two days to get here and I love buying parts priced in dollars what with the dollar/euro rate now. Cody >| Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > >Only if you know what's going into the rig and are given a good warranty to >go with it. >Otherwise, especially if it's your first computer, it could be a huge pain >in the a.s. I agree. A few years ago, it made sense to custom build, you could actually save a bundle. But by now, a custom built will likely be more expensive, and possibly less reliable, than an off-the-shelf one from a reputable manufacturer. Back then, the only low-cost machines were the e-machines clunkers, and Dell cost way too much. That has changed. I'd like to see the computer store that can match Dell's $599 price for the same configuration with the same quality. If you have money to burn, and want the absolute top of the line, then it still makes sense to build your own (gamers often do). I've checked component prices again and again (I always built my own since my first S-100 in '81) and for me it's just not worth it. I have an old Dell laptop, my previous HP desktop as a server, a Compaq workstation as my desktop. All work flawlessly with everything I throw at them. With custom-built stuff, you're often hosed when some program inexplicably crashes, or you you want to update your OS and need new drivers. Thomas > >| Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Thomas I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer and with many more extras. When you say "update your OS", what do you mean? If you are updating from 98 to W2k and you have the cd for the motherboard, what's the problem? If you mean update an OS and not change to another OS, have you ever heard of Windows Update ;-) Cody >I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer and >with many more extras. Let's see... this stuff changes daily, it's a bit different today. But here's one: P4 2.2Ghz, 256MB, 80G HD, Floppy, DVD/CD-RW combo drive, modem, Ethernet, XP home, WP productivity pack, keyboard, mouse, speakers, 17" monitor. Dell quality and warranty. Free shipping. $608. What's your price? >When you say "update your OS", what do you mean? If >you are updating from 98 to W2k and you have the cd for the motherboard, >what's the problem? Nonexistent drivers for MB components, for example, that aren't updated for a new OS because the board wasn't made in large enough numbers. No drivers for your graphics card. No drivers for your network card. No drivers for your keyboard. I've seen it all. >If you mean update an OS and not change to another OS, >have you ever heard of Windows Update ;-) Windows Update is of absolutely no help if the device manufacturer doesn't supply a driver update. It can also happen with name-brand equipment, but usually you do get a bit more support and pressure on the manufacturer from Dell than from your local dealer. Thomas <Cody said> I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer and > with many more extras. When you say "update your OS", what do you mean? If > you are updating from 98 to W2k and you have the cd for the motherboard, > what's the problem? If you mean update an OS and not change to another OS, > have you ever heard of Windows Update ;-) You can build one for yourself for less, Cody. But you're not going to be able make any money building them for other people- trying to bump heads with the likes of Dell. The labor to stick the components in a case as we both know is minimal. You as a businessman ( or even as a "friend") run in problems when you have to match tech support and warranties. The additional time you spend with a customer has to be weighed into the cost of doing business and ultimately the "price" you charge. CPU's, RAM and boards smoke, OS's crash and the responsibility is yours. There are also software licensing costs that a legitamate businessman has to deal with. If a customer wants XP for example (and it's their choice- I don't use it), you can't just pull a CD out of your case and load it legally......that's a substantial extra cost there alone. Everyone wants Office, some graphics program like Paint Shop, and at least a few games to start out with . More $$$ Dell can just do a more efficient job of it, IMHO. You're only saving grace is your "in your face" customer contact. *Some* people will pay more for that service, but unfortunetely in this economy ( US) we're all looking at price. My most recent project cost me a little over $400.00. Of course, I've got a basement full of parts- fans etc. but I buy most of my components from the suppliers on http://www.pricewatch.com . I use generic DDR ram (2 -512 MB sticks), AMD processors (this one is a 2500 333mhz) that some bozo gives me a 15 day warranty on, and NVDIA boards with integrated sound and ethernet. I did purchase a Winfox video card - see http://www.tomshardware.com at about $80.00 ( I usually use anything lying around). I don't factor in any software costs because I use my own win2000 I got a few years back, and other software that I've burned from friends or off of Kazaa.. It also boots to FreeBSD , which of course is "free"....... It has no cd burner, and the floppy, 400 watt power supply, fans, and cd player came out of my extra parts. Am I happy with the machine? Yes.... would I sell it someone else, absolutely not. Fonzz just another "computer expert" <g> Hi Fonzz, I just said that one can build a computer for less than Dell. We are not even trying to compete with Dell and we are not in the States. Most people in Spain have never heard of Dell and wouldn't know how to get one, much less compare their prices with ours. Also, remember that Spain has a 16% sales tax. Take a look at http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/es/esp/gen/default.htm for the prices here and remember it's in euros and one dollar will buy you 87 euro cents. The "in your face" that you speak of is valued highly in Spain. As far as an OS is concerned, most of our customers already have one and we are using their Pent III to upgrade to a Pent IV or AMD XP. I can get an OEM XP Home for 90 euros ... and Windows 2000 must be the most pirated cd in Spain, not that I would ever recommend doing that! Heh. At any rate, our new computer business is starting to really get off the ground and I am very happy about that. We've already upgraded five computers and all the customers are very happy campers. Cody > <Cody said> > I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Fonzz > just another "computer expert" <g> OK, then you're both right. But Elmo isn't upgrading- he's moving from webtv to a brand new box. That was the original post. Anyway, it's great to hear you talking positive about this. Sounds like you've found your niche. fonzz > Hi Fonzz, > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Fonzz > > just another "computer expert" <g> I recommended that Elmo get a Dell. I have nothing against Dell computers at all. They are the best brand name computer makers out there. An HP, Packard Smell or Compaq, OTOH, suck. Cody > OK, then you're both right. > [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > > Fonzz > > > just another "computer expert" <g> > At any rate, our new computer business is starting to really get off the > ground and I am very happy about that. We've already upgraded five computers > and all the customers are very happy campers. > > Cody Congratulations. It must be a joy to earn a living doing something you really enjoy. rick > > At any rate, our new computer business is starting to really get off the > > ground and I am very happy about that. We've already upgraded five computers [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > rick Yes, it is. I am happy with all three of my businesses and just love having my office in my home. I used to hate commuting. When I was in LA, I spent 3 hours a day on the freeway. Now, to get to my office, I just have to walk down the hall. Cody >> > At any rate, our new computer business is starting to really get off the >> > ground and I am very happy about that. We've already upgraded five [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Cody I do the same thing when I'm not on the road. Kind of strange sometimes, on the phone to some company's president (or whoever) while sitting there in your underwear scratching, huh? :-) David > >> > At any rate, our new computer business is starting to really get off the > >> > ground and I am very happy about that. We've already upgraded five [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > David Yes, ROTFLMAO! Cody | I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer and | with many more extras. Does that include onsite service for customers in Pender Harbour BC? <g> Waterspider > | I can build a very good computer, much better than Dell's $599 computer > and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Waterspider No, that's out of our service area :-) Cody | >| Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! | > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] | you're often hosed when some program inexplicably crashes, or you you | want to update your OS and need new drivers. I'm not sure if it was here or not that I heard it, but I'm wondering if it's true that Dell doesn't like other-than-Dell components (for upgrades). Waterspider > | >| Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > | > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Waterspider For more RAM, and at a reasonable price, for Dell computers, check out http://www.crucial.com (formerly Micron). Cdoy ok last shop talk question ... It is only a matter of the case size. We have hundreds of Dells here, and I've never had a problem increasing RAM (using generic) or adding an upgraded video card. We (they) don't do any other upgrading, and any other replacements are covered by the extended warranty. After the warranty is through, they go to salvage if they blow up. BTW Dell laptops were known for running hot-but not all other brands do. I have a Compaq now that's real "cool". There was a problem with the batteries that Dell used. They would get extremely hot- in charging or solo mode- and smoked people's legs and a few system boards on the way. When I'd call in for tech support, they would always mention "these are portable computers- not designed to be placed on the lap yada yada yada" .My company was bought out last year, so we use all Compaqs. Anyway, I would hope that Dell has since solved the heat problem. OK that's it, no more shop talk status for fonzz at 8 weeks post tx: brain functionality 7 (probably won't go higher, I'm old) energy 8.5 (it's those smoothies) mood 7.5 (damn it here's come winter!) take care, fonzz just another computer expert > | >| Oh yea, a custom built computer is the way to go! > | > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Waterspider >What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the >computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll >have to use my phone line for the connection out. DSL is broadband over telephone lines, usually with 128k bit/s upload and up to 768k download speeds - more than ten times the maximum speed of a normal analog modem. You can't get it in rural areas is you're too far from a central office or if there's fiber optics in the loop. You'll have to check with your phone company whether your line is qualified. A cable modem, broadband over your cable TV hookup, usually is even faster, at least for downloads. It sometimes is available where DSL isn't (like at my place). Call your cable company to check. The newest (and most costly) alternative is broadband over two-way satellite. Only recommended if you absolutely can't get any other broadband access, because it requires pretty expensive equipment, and has relatively high latencies (the time it takes from the request of a page until you get the result, because the signal has to travel extremely far). Thomas > >What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the > >computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and up to 768k download speeds - more than ten times the maximum speed > of a normal analog modem. > Thomas We don't have DSL in Spain, just ADSL and the other day they had a computer show with a conneciton of, believe it or not, 22Gb. They sell 2 gigs to companies and private customers. I have one gig with my cable. The problem with cable is that you are sharing bandwidth. The problem with DSL/ADSL is the closer you are to the router node, the better and faster your connection is. Cody Cody, "Sharing bandwidth" in the cable internet world used to be more of a problem that it is in 2003 Cable companies are almost universally throttling bandwidth to prevent hogs from monopolizing the pipe. Gone are the days of 3000-5000 kbps download speeds, but in general, the individual user gets his fair share of bandwidth. fonzz just another computer expert > > >What is dsl? As you can see, I didn't pay attention to any of the > > >computer commercials on tv since I had no interest in computers. I'll [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cody One of the reasons I am glad I have cable. Cody "fonzz" <Fo wrote> Cody, > "Sharing bandwidth" in the cable internet world used to be more of a > problem that it is in 2003 [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > Cody | Cody, | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | individual user gets his fair share | of bandwidth. I think that depends on where you are. Cable became available here a few years ago, and it impressed everyone because it was so much faster (the only other option was --and still is -- an ordinary telephone line). So, mostly everyone signed up for cable, and today it's not a whole lot different than the telephone line. Every so often I call the telephone company to ask when they're installing high-speed internet service up here... they say it will be available on the Sunshine Coast in about six months. And they've been saying that for two or three years now, lol! Waterspider Rogers? Are you saying that it's as slow as a 56K dialup? Have somebody you know with cable run this test http://tech.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp and email the results to me at fonzz52SLAM@yahoo.com remove SLAM . Just curious. fonzz > | Cody, > | [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Waterspider | Rogers? Coast Cable Communications, DCC Net is the internet division, and I don't know if they're affiliated with Rogers or not. Wouldn't surprise me though. | Are you saying that it's as slow as a 56K dialup? Have somebody you know | with cable run this test | http://tech.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp | and email the results to me at fonzz52SLAM@yahoo.com remove SLAM . Just | curious. Sometimes it's lightening fast, other times it seems as slow as dialup (I usually get just over 41,000 bps), and the theory is that the more people get on cable, the more it will slow down. I'll pass the link on to a couple of friends on cable and send you the results. Waterspider > > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > > Texas. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cody You mean he can't build one himself???? Surely everybody can do that? > > > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > > > Texas. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You mean he can't build one himself???? Surely everybody can do that? You have to understand that Rev. Elmo believes in a non existent god so how can you expect him to be able to build his own computer? That would take some intelligence, something god fearing fools don't have much of or they wouldn't believe in a non existent god. Cody | You have to understand that Rev. Elmo believes in a non existent god so how | can you expect him to be able to build his own computer? That would take | some intelligence, something god fearing fools don't have much of or they | wouldn't believe in a non existent god. It's getting old, Cody. Waterspider > | You have to understand that Rev. Elmo believes in a non existent god so > how [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Waterspider Don't read it, then. Cody > > | You have to understand that Rev. Elmo believes in a non existent god so > > how [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cody For waterspider to have ANY *input* into your argument with Elmo over whether there is a god/God or non god is * ridiculous *, considering she is a self proclaimed atheist in SMDH. Hoof > > > | You have to understand that Rev. Elmo believes in a non existent god so > > > how [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > proclaimed atheist in SMDH. > Hoof Fess up Spidey, you are just another person who blows in the same direction that the *popular* view blows, instead of standing up for your own beliefs, even if at the moment those views are seen as *unpopular*. Or has the Rev converted you? Hoof > It's getting old, Cody. > > Waterspider Not as old as your constant *whining* Spiderwoman. You gave yourself away a long time ago, and now you've gone and burnt your fingers. Lord Cerne Abbas I've built every computer I've every owned except this one and it's a Dell. I wouldn't have anything else!!! (and it's 3 years old now) SignatureRegards, Shawn . > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > Texas. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > I've built every computer I've every owned except this one > and it's a Dell. I wouldn't have anything else!!! (and it's > 3 years old now) Dell has the sweet deals. My daughter ordered hers over the net and got the total hookup, with CD/DVD player & burner, 4 speakers, huge sub-woofer AND flat screen- for about 700.00. I'm jealous. jen > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > Texas. > Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe > Rev. You mean it will only have one drive? *snigger* > > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > > Texas. > > Aint noone gonna mess with me when I whip out my C-drive. hehe > > Rev. > > You mean it will only have one drive? *snigger* I second that *snigger* Cody > > > And I'm getting me the most powerful computer with a C-drive as big as > > > Texas. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cody I bet it only has one OS too and even worse I bet that OS is Windoze XP. Don't they know Microsnot own the computer once it has XP on it? Give em hell Elmo. |
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