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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 03 Nov 2006 14:30 GMT
Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency
to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent.  He's flying down to Joplin
and back in one of his helicoptors, then flying out of here on AF1.
Evidently, George is concerned that his helicoptor pilot might get lost
and end up in Kansas, so they've been doing 'practice' runs for the past
3 days.  ahahahahahahah!!  And if you don't have an invitation to his
rally here in town, you'd better not show up.  They manhandled and
arrested some people last time Cheney was in town, all they did was
stand across the street with protest signs.    
elmo

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Cody - 03 Nov 2006 15:08 GMT
> Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency
> to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent.  He's flying down to Joplin
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> stand across the street with protest signs.    
> elmo

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Bush gets the news that both
houses were won by the Democrats. Now if Kerry could just keep his
f.cking mouth shut!

Cody
Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 18:19 GMT
OK, I have shed my no politics self-imposed guideline and have jumped into
the fray, not that I expect any criticism of my offerings.  I think that
Americans are approaching being depressed and demoralized about their
political situation.

> I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Bush gets the news that both houses
> were won by the Democrats. Now if Kerry could just keep his f.cking mouth
> shut!
>
> Cody

That is a scary proposition.  If the Republican religeous right gets
fragmented and Bush loses that united support base after the mid-terms, then
there will be two years of autocracy coming from the Oval Office.  It
doesn't help having a bunch of known socio-sexual hypocrites (apparently)
working on your team.  That would be another perception that would be
difficult to work around.

I know it probably doesn't matter to Americans, but here in Canada, a poll
was released this morning that shows that Canadians believe that GW Bush is
just behind Osama Bin Laden and Kim Il Jung (North Korea) as the most
dangerous person in the world. (32%)  I'm sure that even in the USA, the
numbers on a similar poll would be close to that.  BTW 73% of Canadians
believe that GWB was never morally justified to invade Iraq.  Enough of
this.  I am sure that the Oval Office is wondering how to pull their horns
in without losing all that face.

But if GWB is isolated in the White House and his bills and measures are
held up in the Congress, then who the heck knows what will happen.  Like a
caged and cornered animal, I imagine.  Regretfully for the rest of the
world.

I like what Nancy Pelosi has to offer, in terms of keeping Big Money out of
campaigns and lobbies, or more contained at least.  There is too much money
in US politics,  and it tends to tempt and corrupt and create a barrier
between representatives and their constituencies.  It creates a super class
of entitlement.

Meanwhile the electoral officials cannot certify that the new Diebold voting
machines won't skew the results.  ughhh!

There is a super poll available at TheGuardian.co.uk which shows what the
public in countries that are US allies, think about global security and GWB.
I know it would be easy to say that these opinions are irrelevant to
domestic american politics, but if the public who vote in these countries
have problems with their perceptions of their Ally, then when the going gets
real tough.  Will there be the political will for other countries to
enthusiastically support an Executive in the USA that has two years of
limited power left in its mandate.

Its the Commander in Chief role that scares me.

to quote a canadian news source in DC:

Nancy Pelosi's tough new rules
Tuesday, October 31, 2006 | 11:28 AM ET
By Henry Champ  (CBC Correspondent, Washington DC)
If, as many of the experts and polls are saying, the Democrats win the House
of Representatives, then it follows that the loftily titled Honest
Leadership and Open Government Act of 2006 should pass, at least in the
House.

After all, the public is fed up with congressional ethics, or perhaps more
to the point, the lack of such ethics. In every poll or focus group, at
every town hall meeting or rally throughout this campaign, there have been
calls for reform.

The act is a tough document, authored by Nancy Pelosi, the San
Francisco-area congresswomen who has been the Democratic House leader since
2002. She will likely be the House Speaker if the Democrats win next
Tuesday.

Here are some of the new rules Pelosi wants:

No House member may accept any gift of any value from lobbyists, or any firm
or association that hires lobbyists.

No free travel, which means an end to the corporate jet line every Friday at
Reagan National Airport.

No free tickets to Redskins games; or no meals of any value, even at a
McDonalds; no front-row seats at entertainment venues. No, no and no.

Temptations resisted
To reduce temptations to cheat, Pelosi's bill attacks the usefulness of
members to richly endowed lobbyists.

House members will no longer be able to slip in special-interest projects on
unrelated legislation. Such measures will no longer be allowed on a bill
once negotiations between the Senate and House are complete.

Further, all bills will be made available to the public a full 24 hours
before a final vote; presumably this gives watchdog groups a chance to flag
any skullduggery.

Under the Pelosi rules, lobbyists will no longer be able to use the House
gym (you'd be surprised how much gets negotiated in a sauna). Lobbyists will
no longer be allowed onto the House floor or to use the cloakrooms just off
the floor, preventing last-minute arm-twisting.

What's more, no member or staffer will be able to negotiate for employment
in the public sector without disclosing such contacts to the House Ethics
Committee, and within three days of such contact being made.

Finally, all of this will be audited and investigated by a new Office of
Public Integrity, and that office reports, directly and only, to the U.S.
Attorneys Office.

At this point, you'd be entitled to ask, "heard this before, what makes you
think it will be accepted by Congress?"

Can it work?
No doubt there will be attempts to water down some of these new regulations.
In fact, many of these proposals have been in other bills that have been
defeated in the recent past. But several key congressional experts tell CBC
News that Pelosi means business and might just be able to push this through.
They put it this way.

Pelosi and the congressional Democratic leadership are not likely to get
much credit simply for gaining control of the House. Conventional wisdom
already sees such a victory, should it happen, first and foremost as a
repudiation of the Bush administration and the Republicans. This Honest
Leadership and Open Government Act is a way of hitting the bricks running.
Plus, it could be enormously popular with voters of all persuasions. They
point out Pelosi herself has little national profile and wants quickly to
paint some bold strokes. She promises the act will be the first legislation
tackled if she leads a new Congress.

Also, Pelosi can and will extract promises of support from those getting
leadership positions and plush committee chairmanships and the like.

These new rules will apply in the House as soon as they are passed by simple
majority. The Senate has different rules, but for Republicans and Democrats
there, the pressure to comply with the Pelosi standards will be huge.

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cactus jammies -----------
Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 18:29 GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

> There is a super poll available at TheGuardian.co.uk which shows what the
> public in countries that are US allies, think about global security and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> enthusiastically support an Executive in the USA that has two years of
> limited power left in its mandate?

> cactus jammies -----------
Cody - 03 Nov 2006 18:33 GMT
> OK, I have shed my no politics self-imposed guideline and have jumped into
> the fray, not that I expect any criticism of my offerings.  I think that
[quoted text clipped - 134 lines]
>
> cactus jammies -----------

I think, and hope, he will be impeached, along with Cheney and
Rumsfield, all terrorists, genocide promoters and criminals as far as I
am concerned.

Cody
Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 19:47 GMT
"Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message >
> I think, and hope, he will be impeached, along with Cheney and Rumsfield,
> all terrorists, genocide promoters and criminals as far as I am concerned.
>
> Cody

Hey Cody,
Real, cause and effect type impeachment is a pretty lofty goal, there has to
be more than one smoking gun laying around for that to happen.  I think that
the Bush support base with the Republican Party is going to take a shaking
next tuesday.  From denial to anger to mediation to acceptance... somewhere
in that critical stress reaction syndrome, those lesser officials will be
scurrying to save their own jobs and as much of their own support network as
they can.  I see fractures in republican state party structures.  I see the
McCain movement winding into a faint republican counter-measure for '08.
And realignment, lots of positioning.  The Obama - H Clinton nomination
campaigns could be interesting, but I think Obama will be picked up as a VP
running mate by Howard Dean (hah hah hah boy would that be neat!)  America
needs them both, imho.  Is there another high profile woman Democrat besides
Hillary?  She is starting to look a little left behind from up here.

Meanwhile as I am at heart an optomist, I do think that taking the lobbyist
and campaign contributions debacles and giving them a good shake-out will
attract a more earstwhile type of candidate in the future.  The future.  Al
Gore nailed it in his movie.  eeee now there is a nightmare worth a few
musings.

Oh... Did Haliburton recently bail out of Iraq or perhaps Baghdad, btw?  One
of the big three contractors did.  can't remember which one.

cheers and beers

cactus jammies ===================
Chester Field - 03 Nov 2006 21:11 GMT
"Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@tetrahedron.net> wrote > Oh... Did
Haliburton recently bail out of Iraq or perhaps Baghdad, btw?  One
> of the big three contractors did.  can't remember which one.
>
> cheers and beers
>
> cactus jammies ===================

Hay Cac you agitator:
No, it was Bechtel Corp, the contractor that was supposed to rebuild Iraqi
infrastructure.

see yer noos:
                          ()0()
-Chester Field o(===)o
                        /        \

Bechtel calls it quits after more than 3 years in Iraq
Violence has left few of the company's infrastructure projects in the
war-torn country operating as planned.

By David Streitfeld
Times Staff Writer
Published November 3, 2006

SAN FRANCISCO - Bechtel Corp. helped build the Bay Area subway system,
Hoover Dam and a city for 200,000 in the desert of Saudi Arabia. It likes to
boast that it can go anywhere, under any conditions, and build anything.

In Iraq, Bechtel met its match.

A firm that prides itself on its safety record saw dozens of its workers
killed. And a company that celebrates achievement won't know for a long
time, if ever, exactly what it accomplished.

The assignment Bechtel won from the U.S. government in early 2003 was
unique: Apply the brick and mortar needed to restart the long-starved and
war-damaged Iraqi economy, allowing the country to blossom into a modern and
free industrial state. Rarely had a single corporation been given so much
power to affect so many so quickly.

More than three years later, Bechtel says its work on Iraq's water and
electrical plants, its bridges, schools and port, is done.

The company said this week at its headquarters here that it had completed 97
of 99 projects for a total of $2.3 billion, a sum that included its
undisclosed fee. Only two Bechtel employees are left in the country. At its
peak, there were 200 people from Bechtel supervising tens of thousands of
Iraqis.

If the story for Bechtel is drawing to a close, this isn't anything like the
happy ending it once expected.

The company went to Iraq with a good deal of well-earned swagger. Chairman
Riley Bechtel told the firm's employees in April 2003 that Bechtel's record
was one "that few, if any, companies in the world can match." The tasks it
would undertake in Iraq, he added, were "the kind of work we do best."

The company expected Iraq to develop from an aid recipient to a customer.
The biggest U.S. engineering firm would help one of the world's most
distressed countries into the 21st century.

That hope receded with each suicide bombing.

"We were told it would be a permissive environment. But to the horror of
everyone, it never stabilized. It just went down, down, down, and to this
day it continues to go down," said Cliff Mumm, who ran Bechtel's Iraq
operation. "I'm proud of what we did, but had law and order prevailed, it
would be a different situation."

At one Bechtel project, in the southern city of Basra, the company recorded
this toll: The site security manager was murdered; the site manager resigned
after receiving death threats; a senior engineer resigned after his daughter
was kidnapped; 12 employees of the electrical-plumbing subcontractor were
assassinated in their offices; and 11 employees of the concrete supplier
were murdered.

All told, 52 workers associated with Bechtel projects were killed, most of
them Iraqi. Forty-nine others were wounded.

Bechtel says it completed nearly all its assigned projects, but that doesn't
mean they are necessarily operating as planned.

"Once projects were complete, the plant operating crews we trained often
lacked the leadership, resources or motivation needed to run and maintain
their facilities," Mumm said in September testimony to the House committee
on government reform.

If Bechtel gives itself high grades under the circumstances, others aren't
so generous.

"They thought, 'We're the world's best, and we can go in and make this
happen,' " said Rick Barton, a reconstruction specialist at the Center for
Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank.

"After all the money that's been invested, the Iraqi people should be able
to make it on their own. But we're nowhere near that, let alone creating a
shining city on a hill," Barton added.

The looting and vandalism outpaced the rebuilding from the beginning.

In May 2003, the supposed end of open warfare, a survey of Iraq's
dilapidated electrical system showed 13 downed transmission towers. Four
months later, the total had grown to 623.

"We were trying to hold the infrastructure together and at the same time
build a platform to go forward and at the same time cope with a
deteriorating security situation," said Mumm, who recently returned to the
U.S. "There were a lot of moving parts."

The company's critics give it points for remaining free of corruption,
unlike some Iraq contractors. But they say it was too slow in restoring the
power grid.

"In the critical years of 2003 and 2004, part of the growing sense in the
Iraqi population that Americans were incompetent occupiers rather than
effective liberators came because Bechtel hadn't gotten the power grid on in
the scorching hot summers," said Charles Tiefer, a professor at the
University of Baltimore School of Law and an expert on government
contracting. "American corporate reconstruction efforts like Bechtel's
failed worse in Iraq than American arms."

The lack of an infrastructure fed the insurgency, which made it its goal to
destroy the infrastructure. As time went on, Bechtel spent increasing
amounts not on rebuilding but on protecting its workers.

Now that the reconstruction funds are running out, the fate of the Iraq
infrastructure, like so much else in the country, is uncertain.

"Bechtel is putting a 'Mission Accomplished' banner over their work in Iraq
and then coming home," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a
watchdog group. "But the mission has not been accomplished. Iraq still
doesn't have enough power, hospitals, clean water."

Most of the bridges and roads and other projects built by Bechtel in the
last century are still in use. Mumm hopes that the work the firm did in Iraq
will survive.

"All that stuff is there, and available, should the Iraqis find themselves
in a stable enough position to use them and take advantage of them," he
said. "I believe eventually that will happen."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
david.streitfeld@latimes.com
greyhackles - 03 Nov 2006 18:37 GMT
>> Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency
>> to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent.  He's flying down to Joplin
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Cody

No problemo: nobody wants to be seen with Kerry right now, so he's gone into
hiding until next Wednesday. In the mean time, America holds its collective
breath while it waits for the political sea change that will deliver it from 6
long years of darkness...

Cheers

/greyhackles
Cactus Jammies - 07 Nov 2006 17:07 GMT
Hi Grey,
You know, it would be easy for me to continue sounding so negative about
'broken government' in the USA as CNN calls it.  I live in Canada, and
although our systems of government are slightly different, there are some
alarming parallels.

Overall, I have faith in people, that social situations will present
themselves and people will when ready, raise their conscious actions to meet
the collective need.  The human trait to seek to band in groups and defend
their ways of life will win out.  But in the meantime, money will bark in
the dark as unconnected people whisper in the gloom.  One hopes that with
the availability of all the info and the willingness of many people to seek
out deeper understandings of motives and methods on the Internet, a more
earnest and less commercial ethic will break through and spread as the
technology makes it easier.  More likely, the types people in our midst who
stand out and lead discussion will always be around to pester the rest of us
as we cope in our daily mumble and grumbles.  The tune they sing will be
more in line with community vs industry needs and requirements.  Human
social organization cannot be fragmented easily.  If it is, such as in Iraq
or Afghanistan, units of humans will collect and find a way forward
eventually.  No state can be dragged into democracy.  The popular will has
to exist.  Real information widely distributed or available, is a must.

The problem is Money and Influence woven into the fabric of both the
Democratic and Republican party machines.   We are not totally removed from
that influence in Canada.  There is a five thousand dollar limit per person
or corporation or union on federal campaign contributions in donations,
goods and services.  I'm not saying that is a cure, but it is a start.  Run
up nomination campaign guidelines are supposed to be internally
self-administered respectfully, by party officials. ha!  The Elections Act
imposes the $5 G restriction during elections.  Oh, and we still use paper
ballots at all voting stations.

As I said before, I think it is vital that the electorate have more
connection with the policy makers in Congress and the White House.
Currently the United States election rules allow unrestricted financial
contributions from industry and pressure groups for campaign warchests.  In
the past week I have seen more negative and expensive advertising from both
sides on the U.S. network channels.  So all this money in many respects,
turns off the electorate or could even depress some folks through smear ads
mostly.  And this passes as Democracy.  Well, the first amendment rights are
defended, but what about the spirit of Democracy that tells us that everyone
is equal in elections and before the law?  How is that to be maintained?  My
temporary answer is that the freedom of speech is second to the needs of the
whole of the population.  So maybe a codecil to the Bill of Rights could
serve the purpose.

This is meant as a non-partisan discussion, not a lecture, so I will leave
off here.  I was impressed by GWB ( ! ) this morning on TV in his home
state, telling people how important voting is, that it is the fundamental
duty of people living in an electoral democracy.  Spoken as a true Commander
in Chief, I thought, but it was the best speech I have ever seen him make,
short and to the point, and I thought I detected his sincerity, too.  !

chat ot on this perhaps?  I will not harangue, but I have quite an extensive
background in political stuff, since I was in high school back in '65.
Also, I tend to look for where the money comes from and goes and I have
found that given the status quo, some things just don't change.  (heh heh)

cactus jammies ======================

>>> Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency
>>> to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent.  He's flying down to Joplin
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> /greyhackles
 
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