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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 03 Nov 2006 14:30 GMT Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent. He's flying down to Joplin and back in one of his helicoptors, then flying out of here on AF1. Evidently, George is concerned that his helicoptor pilot might get lost and end up in Kansas, so they've been doing 'practice' runs for the past 3 days. ahahahahahahah!! And if you don't have an invitation to his rally here in town, you'd better not show up. They manhandled and arrested some people last time Cheney was in town, all they did was stand across the street with protest signs. elmo
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Cody - 03 Nov 2006 15:08 GMT > Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency > to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent. He's flying down to Joplin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stand across the street with protest signs. > elmo I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Bush gets the news that both houses were won by the Democrats. Now if Kerry could just keep his f.cking mouth shut!
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 18:19 GMT OK, I have shed my no politics self-imposed guideline and have jumped into the fray, not that I expect any criticism of my offerings. I think that Americans are approaching being depressed and demoralized about their political situation.
> I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Bush gets the news that both houses > were won by the Democrats. Now if Kerry could just keep his f.cking mouth > shut! > > Cody That is a scary proposition. If the Republican religeous right gets fragmented and Bush loses that united support base after the mid-terms, then there will be two years of autocracy coming from the Oval Office. It doesn't help having a bunch of known socio-sexual hypocrites (apparently) working on your team. That would be another perception that would be difficult to work around.
I know it probably doesn't matter to Americans, but here in Canada, a poll was released this morning that shows that Canadians believe that GW Bush is just behind Osama Bin Laden and Kim Il Jung (North Korea) as the most dangerous person in the world. (32%) I'm sure that even in the USA, the numbers on a similar poll would be close to that. BTW 73% of Canadians believe that GWB was never morally justified to invade Iraq. Enough of this. I am sure that the Oval Office is wondering how to pull their horns in without losing all that face.
But if GWB is isolated in the White House and his bills and measures are held up in the Congress, then who the heck knows what will happen. Like a caged and cornered animal, I imagine. Regretfully for the rest of the world.
I like what Nancy Pelosi has to offer, in terms of keeping Big Money out of campaigns and lobbies, or more contained at least. There is too much money in US politics, and it tends to tempt and corrupt and create a barrier between representatives and their constituencies. It creates a super class of entitlement.
Meanwhile the electoral officials cannot certify that the new Diebold voting machines won't skew the results. ughhh!
There is a super poll available at TheGuardian.co.uk which shows what the public in countries that are US allies, think about global security and GWB. I know it would be easy to say that these opinions are irrelevant to domestic american politics, but if the public who vote in these countries have problems with their perceptions of their Ally, then when the going gets real tough. Will there be the political will for other countries to enthusiastically support an Executive in the USA that has two years of limited power left in its mandate.
Its the Commander in Chief role that scares me.
to quote a canadian news source in DC:
Nancy Pelosi's tough new rules Tuesday, October 31, 2006 | 11:28 AM ET By Henry Champ (CBC Correspondent, Washington DC) If, as many of the experts and polls are saying, the Democrats win the House of Representatives, then it follows that the loftily titled Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2006 should pass, at least in the House.
After all, the public is fed up with congressional ethics, or perhaps more to the point, the lack of such ethics. In every poll or focus group, at every town hall meeting or rally throughout this campaign, there have been calls for reform.
The act is a tough document, authored by Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco-area congresswomen who has been the Democratic House leader since 2002. She will likely be the House Speaker if the Democrats win next Tuesday.
Here are some of the new rules Pelosi wants:
No House member may accept any gift of any value from lobbyists, or any firm or association that hires lobbyists.
No free travel, which means an end to the corporate jet line every Friday at Reagan National Airport.
No free tickets to Redskins games; or no meals of any value, even at a McDonalds; no front-row seats at entertainment venues. No, no and no.
Temptations resisted To reduce temptations to cheat, Pelosi's bill attacks the usefulness of members to richly endowed lobbyists.
House members will no longer be able to slip in special-interest projects on unrelated legislation. Such measures will no longer be allowed on a bill once negotiations between the Senate and House are complete.
Further, all bills will be made available to the public a full 24 hours before a final vote; presumably this gives watchdog groups a chance to flag any skullduggery.
Under the Pelosi rules, lobbyists will no longer be able to use the House gym (you'd be surprised how much gets negotiated in a sauna). Lobbyists will no longer be allowed onto the House floor or to use the cloakrooms just off the floor, preventing last-minute arm-twisting.
What's more, no member or staffer will be able to negotiate for employment in the public sector without disclosing such contacts to the House Ethics Committee, and within three days of such contact being made.
Finally, all of this will be audited and investigated by a new Office of Public Integrity, and that office reports, directly and only, to the U.S. Attorneys Office.
At this point, you'd be entitled to ask, "heard this before, what makes you think it will be accepted by Congress?"
Can it work? No doubt there will be attempts to water down some of these new regulations. In fact, many of these proposals have been in other bills that have been defeated in the recent past. But several key congressional experts tell CBC News that Pelosi means business and might just be able to push this through. They put it this way.
Pelosi and the congressional Democratic leadership are not likely to get much credit simply for gaining control of the House. Conventional wisdom already sees such a victory, should it happen, first and foremost as a repudiation of the Bush administration and the Republicans. This Honest Leadership and Open Government Act is a way of hitting the bricks running. Plus, it could be enormously popular with voters of all persuasions. They point out Pelosi herself has little national profile and wants quickly to paint some bold strokes. She promises the act will be the first legislation tackled if she leads a new Congress.
Also, Pelosi can and will extract promises of support from those getting leadership positions and plush committee chairmanships and the like.
These new rules will apply in the House as soon as they are passed by simple majority. The Senate has different rules, but for Republicans and Democrats there, the pressure to comply with the Pelosi standards will be huge.
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Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 18:29 GMT http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html
> There is a super poll available at TheGuardian.co.uk which shows what the > public in countries that are US allies, think about global security and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enthusiastically support an Executive in the USA that has two years of > limited power left in its mandate?
> cactus jammies ----------- Cody - 03 Nov 2006 18:33 GMT > OK, I have shed my no politics self-imposed guideline and have jumped into > the fray, not that I expect any criticism of my offerings. I think that [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > cactus jammies ----------- I think, and hope, he will be impeached, along with Cheney and Rumsfield, all terrorists, genocide promoters and criminals as far as I am concerned.
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 03 Nov 2006 19:47 GMT "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message >
> I think, and hope, he will be impeached, along with Cheney and Rumsfield, > all terrorists, genocide promoters and criminals as far as I am concerned. > > Cody Hey Cody, Real, cause and effect type impeachment is a pretty lofty goal, there has to be more than one smoking gun laying around for that to happen. I think that the Bush support base with the Republican Party is going to take a shaking next tuesday. From denial to anger to mediation to acceptance... somewhere in that critical stress reaction syndrome, those lesser officials will be scurrying to save their own jobs and as much of their own support network as they can. I see fractures in republican state party structures. I see the McCain movement winding into a faint republican counter-measure for '08. And realignment, lots of positioning. The Obama - H Clinton nomination campaigns could be interesting, but I think Obama will be picked up as a VP running mate by Howard Dean (hah hah hah boy would that be neat!) America needs them both, imho. Is there another high profile woman Democrat besides Hillary? She is starting to look a little left behind from up here.
Meanwhile as I am at heart an optomist, I do think that taking the lobbyist and campaign contributions debacles and giving them a good shake-out will attract a more earstwhile type of candidate in the future. The future. Al Gore nailed it in his movie. eeee now there is a nightmare worth a few musings.
Oh... Did Haliburton recently bail out of Iraq or perhaps Baghdad, btw? One of the big three contractors did. can't remember which one.
cheers and beers
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Chester Field - 03 Nov 2006 21:11 GMT "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@tetrahedron.net> wrote > Oh... Did Haliburton recently bail out of Iraq or perhaps Baghdad, btw? One
> of the big three contractors did. can't remember which one. > > cheers and beers > > cactus jammies =================== Hay Cac you agitator: No, it was Bechtel Corp, the contractor that was supposed to rebuild Iraqi infrastructure.
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Bechtel calls it quits after more than 3 years in Iraq Violence has left few of the company's infrastructure projects in the war-torn country operating as planned.
By David Streitfeld Times Staff Writer Published November 3, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO - Bechtel Corp. helped build the Bay Area subway system, Hoover Dam and a city for 200,000 in the desert of Saudi Arabia. It likes to boast that it can go anywhere, under any conditions, and build anything.
In Iraq, Bechtel met its match.
A firm that prides itself on its safety record saw dozens of its workers killed. And a company that celebrates achievement won't know for a long time, if ever, exactly what it accomplished.
The assignment Bechtel won from the U.S. government in early 2003 was unique: Apply the brick and mortar needed to restart the long-starved and war-damaged Iraqi economy, allowing the country to blossom into a modern and free industrial state. Rarely had a single corporation been given so much power to affect so many so quickly.
More than three years later, Bechtel says its work on Iraq's water and electrical plants, its bridges, schools and port, is done.
The company said this week at its headquarters here that it had completed 97 of 99 projects for a total of $2.3 billion, a sum that included its undisclosed fee. Only two Bechtel employees are left in the country. At its peak, there were 200 people from Bechtel supervising tens of thousands of Iraqis.
If the story for Bechtel is drawing to a close, this isn't anything like the happy ending it once expected.
The company went to Iraq with a good deal of well-earned swagger. Chairman Riley Bechtel told the firm's employees in April 2003 that Bechtel's record was one "that few, if any, companies in the world can match." The tasks it would undertake in Iraq, he added, were "the kind of work we do best."
The company expected Iraq to develop from an aid recipient to a customer. The biggest U.S. engineering firm would help one of the world's most distressed countries into the 21st century.
That hope receded with each suicide bombing.
"We were told it would be a permissive environment. But to the horror of everyone, it never stabilized. It just went down, down, down, and to this day it continues to go down," said Cliff Mumm, who ran Bechtel's Iraq operation. "I'm proud of what we did, but had law and order prevailed, it would be a different situation."
At one Bechtel project, in the southern city of Basra, the company recorded this toll: The site security manager was murdered; the site manager resigned after receiving death threats; a senior engineer resigned after his daughter was kidnapped; 12 employees of the electrical-plumbing subcontractor were assassinated in their offices; and 11 employees of the concrete supplier were murdered.
All told, 52 workers associated with Bechtel projects were killed, most of them Iraqi. Forty-nine others were wounded.
Bechtel says it completed nearly all its assigned projects, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily operating as planned.
"Once projects were complete, the plant operating crews we trained often lacked the leadership, resources or motivation needed to run and maintain their facilities," Mumm said in September testimony to the House committee on government reform.
If Bechtel gives itself high grades under the circumstances, others aren't so generous.
"They thought, 'We're the world's best, and we can go in and make this happen,' " said Rick Barton, a reconstruction specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank.
"After all the money that's been invested, the Iraqi people should be able to make it on their own. But we're nowhere near that, let alone creating a shining city on a hill," Barton added.
The looting and vandalism outpaced the rebuilding from the beginning.
In May 2003, the supposed end of open warfare, a survey of Iraq's dilapidated electrical system showed 13 downed transmission towers. Four months later, the total had grown to 623.
"We were trying to hold the infrastructure together and at the same time build a platform to go forward and at the same time cope with a deteriorating security situation," said Mumm, who recently returned to the U.S. "There were a lot of moving parts."
The company's critics give it points for remaining free of corruption, unlike some Iraq contractors. But they say it was too slow in restoring the power grid.
"In the critical years of 2003 and 2004, part of the growing sense in the Iraqi population that Americans were incompetent occupiers rather than effective liberators came because Bechtel hadn't gotten the power grid on in the scorching hot summers," said Charles Tiefer, a professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law and an expert on government contracting. "American corporate reconstruction efforts like Bechtel's failed worse in Iraq than American arms."
The lack of an infrastructure fed the insurgency, which made it its goal to destroy the infrastructure. As time went on, Bechtel spent increasing amounts not on rebuilding but on protecting its workers.
Now that the reconstruction funds are running out, the fate of the Iraq infrastructure, like so much else in the country, is uncertain.
"Bechtel is putting a 'Mission Accomplished' banner over their work in Iraq and then coming home," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group. "But the mission has not been accomplished. Iraq still doesn't have enough power, hospitals, clean water."
Most of the bridges and roads and other projects built by Bechtel in the last century are still in use. Mumm hopes that the work the firm did in Iraq will survive.
"All that stuff is there, and available, should the Iraqis find themselves in a stable enough position to use them and take advantage of them," he said. "I believe eventually that will happen."
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greyhackles - 03 Nov 2006 18:37 GMT >> Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency >> to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent. He's flying down to Joplin [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Cody No problemo: nobody wants to be seen with Kerry right now, so he's gone into hiding until next Wednesday. In the mean time, America holds its collective breath while it waits for the political sea change that will deliver it from 6 long years of darkness...
Cheers
/greyhackles
Cactus Jammies - 07 Nov 2006 17:07 GMT Hi Grey, You know, it would be easy for me to continue sounding so negative about 'broken government' in the USA as CNN calls it. I live in Canada, and although our systems of government are slightly different, there are some alarming parallels.
Overall, I have faith in people, that social situations will present themselves and people will when ready, raise their conscious actions to meet the collective need. The human trait to seek to band in groups and defend their ways of life will win out. But in the meantime, money will bark in the dark as unconnected people whisper in the gloom. One hopes that with the availability of all the info and the willingness of many people to seek out deeper understandings of motives and methods on the Internet, a more earnest and less commercial ethic will break through and spread as the technology makes it easier. More likely, the types people in our midst who stand out and lead discussion will always be around to pester the rest of us as we cope in our daily mumble and grumbles. The tune they sing will be more in line with community vs industry needs and requirements. Human social organization cannot be fragmented easily. If it is, such as in Iraq or Afghanistan, units of humans will collect and find a way forward eventually. No state can be dragged into democracy. The popular will has to exist. Real information widely distributed or available, is a must.
The problem is Money and Influence woven into the fabric of both the Democratic and Republican party machines. We are not totally removed from that influence in Canada. There is a five thousand dollar limit per person or corporation or union on federal campaign contributions in donations, goods and services. I'm not saying that is a cure, but it is a start. Run up nomination campaign guidelines are supposed to be internally self-administered respectfully, by party officials. ha! The Elections Act imposes the $5 G restriction during elections. Oh, and we still use paper ballots at all voting stations.
As I said before, I think it is vital that the electorate have more connection with the policy makers in Congress and the White House. Currently the United States election rules allow unrestricted financial contributions from industry and pressure groups for campaign warchests. In the past week I have seen more negative and expensive advertising from both sides on the U.S. network channels. So all this money in many respects, turns off the electorate or could even depress some folks through smear ads mostly. And this passes as Democracy. Well, the first amendment rights are defended, but what about the spirit of Democracy that tells us that everyone is equal in elections and before the law? How is that to be maintained? My temporary answer is that the freedom of speech is second to the needs of the whole of the population. So maybe a codecil to the Bill of Rights could serve the purpose.
This is meant as a non-partisan discussion, not a lecture, so I will leave off here. I was impressed by GWB ( ! ) this morning on TV in his home state, telling people how important voting is, that it is the fundamental duty of people living in an electoral democracy. Spoken as a true Commander in Chief, I thought, but it was the best speech I have ever seen him make, short and to the point, and I thought I detected his sincerity, too. !
chat ot on this perhaps? I will not harangue, but I have quite an extensive background in political stuff, since I was in high school back in '65. Also, I tend to look for where the money comes from and goes and I have found that given the status quo, some things just don't change. (heh heh)
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>>> Bush is in Springfield today trying to rally the Republican constituency >>> to vote for his rubber stamp, Jim Talent. He's flying down to Joplin [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > /greyhackles
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