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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / September 2006"Buddhism" on the Rise
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. Cody > http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha > > Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. > > Cody What's the difference between the two? I didn't realize there was more then one form of Buddhism. Ally >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ally There are many different sects of Buddhism such as Ritsu, Zen, Nembutsu, Tibetan, all provisional Mahayana, and Hinayana like in Viet Nam and Thailand. The Buddhism I practice is Actual Mahayana and was first expounded in Japan. Hinayana has 500 commandments for women and 250 commandments for men. These commandments are basically health, moral and ethical codes: cook your meat; don't kill; don't commit adultery, etc. If a Hinayana Buddhist follows the commandments, they will go to Nirvana or "Heaven". If they don't, they will go to hell, a hell much worse than any Christian can imagine. A Lord Buddha in the sky keeps score. Sound familiar? Provisional Mahayana Buddhism basically says that the world is very cruel and there's nothing you can do about it. You can, they say, however, separate your mind from your body and attain a spiritual Enlightenment or Satori. Actual Mahayana Buddhism takes Nichiren Daishonin as the True Buddha, not the fat guy that you've seen as statues, and says that there are four aspects to happiness: physical, spiritual, environmental and material. If you're sick, you will get better. If poor, you will get wealthier. If you're f.cked up in the head, you will get saner. If you're in jail, you'll be released. The goals are to attain Buddhahood, or absolute happiness in all three realms and, in so doing, bring peace to the world. This explanation is very basic. If you want more, see http://www.nst.org/, http://www.hokkeko.us/ or http://www.taisekiji.net/ Cody Thanks Cody for the explanation. I have a friend in the SGI, this helps me to understand it a bit better. I have lots of read with those links. Definitely gives me something to do to pass these endless weeks of tx. Ally > > Ally > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Cody > Thanks Cody for the explanation. I have a friend in the SGI, this helps > me to understand it a bit better. I have lots of read with those links. > Definitely gives me something to do to pass these endless weeks of tx. > > Ally You're welcome. Cody >>> Ally >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Cody According to Webster's International Dictionary: Buddhism- a religion of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Gautama Buddha that suffering is inherent in life and that one can be liberated from it by mental and moral purification. Didn't you say you wouldn't bring up religion anymore, Cody? How much is your word worth? Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum I guess (amen) was not the right word, perhaps the bong rang some gong while Dylan sang a song? All the old homefolk coming into the parlour may have called for the apostasy button. hmmm cactus jammies =================== > According to Webster's International Dictionary: Buddhism- a religion > of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Gautama [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Yep, that's exactly what happened. That's where the song lyrics, " ramma lamma ding dong" and "shake your buddhi" came from. elmo uhhhh yaaaaaawwll /////////////// I guess (amen) was not the right word, perhaps the bong rang some gong while Dylan sang a song? All the old homefolk coming into the parlour may have called for the apostasy button. hmmm cactus jammies =================== <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:22036-450D4172-687@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... According to Webster's International Dictionary: Buddhism- a religion of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Gautama Buddha that suffering is inherent in life and that one can be liberated from it by mental and moral purification. Didn't you say you wouldn't bring up religion anymore, Cody? How much is your word worth? Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > According to Webster's International Dictionary: Buddhism- a religion > of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Gautama > Buddha that suffering is inherent in life and that one can be liberated > from it by mental and moral purification. > > Didn't you say you wouldn't bring up religion anymore, Cody? No. I said I wouldn't discuss it with you if you didn't bring it up. > How much > is your word worth? > > Elmo You just brought it up with me, so whose "word" are we talking about? Cody Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 3:22pm (CDT+7) From: notever@msn.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: According to Webster's International Dictionary: Buddhism- a religion of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Gautama Buddha that suffering is inherent in life and that one can be liberated from it by mental and moral purification. Didn't you say you wouldn't bring up religion anymore, Cody? No. I said I wouldn't discuss it with you if you didn't bring it up. How much is your word worth? Elmo You just brought it up with me, so whose "word" are we talking about? Cody //////////// That depends on how you interpret our agreement, Cody. Obviously, we don't agree on what we agreed to. The way I see it, we're both members of this NG. Is that not true? Assuming that, when you start a thread in this NG, you're 'discussing' it with me and the other members, as well as anyone else that might read the post. I didn't start the 'Buddhism on the Rise' thread, you did. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Such a hypocrite. > Such a hypocrite. I agree, the person to whom you are replying, Elmo, can be a hypocrite. You, however, have him beat hands down. Cody > > Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 'Buddhism on the Rise' thread, you did. > elmo I'm not holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read my messages. Cody Hahahahahahaha!!! Im laughing my a.s of right now, actually! and im saying to myself -here we go again. Still, im amused, it´s realy funny, thanx. /H Hahahahahahaha!!! Im laughing my a.s of right now, actually! and im saying to myself -here we go again. Still, im amused, it´s realy funny, thanx. /H yeah, today's posts so far are exactly the reason I am trying to provide a place for folks to chat without having to read this kind of crap. trying to 'steal' folks away from this wonderful, helpful, loving and brotherly newsgroup? Farthest thing from my mind. Just tryin to give folks a choice. Sara > Hahahahahahaha!!! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > provide a place for folks to chat without having to read this > kind of crap. Can you be specific? What "crap"? Usenet and the forum you have are not chat rooms. Please inform yourself. > trying to 'steal' folks away from this wonderful, helpful, loving > and brotherly newsgroup? Farthest thing from my mind. Just > tryin to give folks a choice. > > Sara You haven't had a message posted for two days on your lame, moderated forum. You're a control freak so it's no wonder your group flopped. As far as having a choice is concerned, there are hundreds of Hep C forums out there that are moderated. Your one more group hasn't increased the choice much. Besides, if your group is so groovy what the hell are you doing here? Slumming? Cody Hi Sara If you think this is crap why do you bother reading it? I still find this "crap" funny. /H I have visited your newsgroup, Good luck and maby we´ll meet there in the future. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Sara skrev: > Hahahahahahaha!!! > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sara Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 1:08pm (CDT+1) From: puffler@wowway.com (Sara) "h00hbt" <post_brandt@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1158509991.695527.47300@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... Hahahahahahaha!!! Im laughing my a.s of right now, actually! and im saying to myself -here we go again. Still, im amused, it´s realy funny, thanx. /H yeah, today's posts so far are exactly the reason I am trying to provide a place for folks to chat without having to read this kind of crap. trying to 'steal' folks away from this wonderful, helpful, loving and brotherly newsgroup? Farthest thing from my mind. Just tryin to give folks a choice. Sara /////////// Anyone who posts here already knows they have a choice, Sara. And I suppose every time someone posts a denigrating message in here, you're going to magically appear and sing the 'Red Rover' song. I'm not sure whose posts I'm laughing about the most today, your's or Cody's? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 9:19am (CDT-2) From: post_brandt@hotmail.com (h00hbt) Hahahahahahaha!!! Im laughing my a.s of right now, actually! and im saying to myself -here we go again. Still, im amused, it´s realy funny, thanx. /H /////////// It IS funny. You got any of those cookies left. I've got some milk if you wanna share. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum elmoemerson@webtv.net skrev: > It IS funny. You got any of those cookies left. I've got some milk if > you wanna share. :-) > elmo /////////////////////////////////////////////////// Space cake break at the Titikaka lake ;-) /H > http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha > > Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. > > Cody Who told turd boy Tibetan Buddhism wasn't True Buddhism? Chairman Mao? doogie don't know its all about branding, man. Oh, please don't use the term turd-boy, doogie cactus jammies ====================== >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Who told turd boy Tibetan Buddhism wasn't True Buddhism? Chairman Mao? > doogie don't know ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > its all about branding, man. Oh, please don't use the term turd-boy, > doogie > cactus jammies ====================== Say no more, doogie corrected >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> doogie don't know > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha > > Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. > > Cody Hey Waterspider -- are we all happy now? >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >> >> Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. >> >> Cody > Hey Waterspider -- are we all happy now? Huh? I'm always happy. I'm an atheist who tries to live like a Buddhist. >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Huh? I'm always happy. I'm an atheist who tries to live like a Buddhist. I'm an atheist too. We don't believe in a "supreme being". Cody >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm an atheist too. We don't believe in a "supreme being". I know; it's that reincarnation thing I can't get my head around. There might just be a type of Buddhism out there that matches my beliefs (or lack thereof), but I don't know enough about them all. Spidey >>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Spidey "Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can change", Einstein. Cody >"Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can >change", Einstein. Not Einstein, it's the first law of thermodynamics. And it's meaningless in the context you cite, because reincarnation would violate the third law of thermodynamics. Face it, you're no atheist. You believe in a deus ex machina just like Christians. Science does not support Buddhism in any way, shape, or form. Thomas  SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. Sheesh... I shouldn't post that late in the night. Yes, it is Einstein, naturally. Oh well... e=mc2 and all. The rest of my statement is still true, though. Thomas SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. > Sheesh... I shouldn't post that late in the night. Yes, it is Einstein, > naturally. Oh well... e=mc2 and all. The rest of my statement is still > true, though. > > Thomas The rest of your statement makes no sense. Cody >> "Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can >> change", Einstein. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thomas Hi Thomas! Actually the law, as Cody wrote it, is more likely coming from Antoine Lavoisier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisier) and it's more about the conservation of mass (as he could understand it in the 18th century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_conservation_of_mass) than an application of the conservation of energy (that is one of the principles which the first law of thermodynamics can be connected to). Sorry, just some school Physics principles hard coded in my mind, as well as my Chemistry teacher voice that keeps saying the Lavoisier law... :) That said, I fully agree with you. An atheist is somebody who does not have the need to explain or justify the process of life, and then death, with anything, neither with reincarnation or Buddhism. It is indeed just a kind of different "deus ex machina" and justifying it (or trying to do that) with any Science principle or law sounds just not proper. Cheers, jeeb. >>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > change", Einstein. > Cody Yes, when something dies, it's form changes. I just don't believe that it has a spirit that wanders off to inhabit another body. Cody, do you know of any (religion isn't the right word) out there that might fit my way of life? Buddhism is the closest I've found. Not that I'm looking to find a religion (god forbid), but I am interested. Spidey >>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Yes, when something dies, it's form changes. I just don't believe that it > has a spirit that wanders off to inhabit another body. What is around the soul or life after the body is dead? Chemical elements? The same that made up the body and more? What's changed? The form? > Cody, do you know of any (religion isn't the right word) out there that > might fit my way of life? Buddhism is the closest I've found. Not that I'm > looking to find a religion (god forbid), but I am interested. > > Spidey No, but reincarnation does explain -- by way of cause and effect (karma) why some people are born in Iraq and others are born in Bill Gates' family. Nothing else can explain that unless you believe in some capricious god who is up in the sky, cranking out destinies. Or, you believe that it's random and that cause and effect does not exist (equally as silly). Cody > [...] Or, you > believe that it's random and that cause and effect does not exist Oh well... so what if one believes that cause and effect does exist (if I drop an apple it falls to the ground because of the gravity law) and thinks as well that some people are born in Africa or Iraq or Peru because it's random (or at least because their parents live there)... > (equally as silly). > > Cody Really? Could you please explain why, leaving any god (or lack of) apart? Jeeb. >> [...] Or, you >> believe that it's random and that cause and effect does not exist [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thinks as well that some people are born in Africa or Iraq or Peru > because it's random (or at least because their parents live there)... That doesn't explain anything. Cause and effect does. >> (equally as silly). >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeeb. Because cause and effect does exist, in everything. So, it's logical to conclude that we carry our karma from life to life and that someone, for example, that is a thief in this life will be destitute in the next. Cody > Because cause and effect does exist, in everything. So, it's logical to > conclude that we carry our karma from life to life and that someone, for > example, that is a thief in this life will be destitute in the next. > > Cody Cause and effect is demonstrated to exist *in phenomena that have been scientifically investigated* to prove it as, for example, in Physics (that was what my previous example about the apple and the Newton law of gravitation -and it does explain A LOT-). Its proved existence, and then its LOGICAL implications, can be recognized only in those phenomena that belong to the same domain, that is, the domain of phenomena that can be scientifically observed, described and justified. Now, can you please tell me HOW the idea of karma (that I'd really like to believe faithfully and with no doubts to, as it would help me coping with the idea that life is not for the eternity :) ) investigated to state that it is a LOGICAL consequence of cause and effect? Oh, yes, there's one chance actually... it applies it's called "Faith" but doesn't pertain to Science at all. Nice conversation, Jeeb. >> Because cause and effect does exist, in everything. So, it's logical >> to conclude that we carry our karma from life to life and that [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Nice conversation, > Jeeb. Karma or cause and effect explain the phenomena of destinies a helluva lot better than some capricious god cranking out destinies does. No, it can't be proved without some scientific doubt due to the infancy that science is in but some day I think it will. Remember that in Buddhism all this was explained over 3000 years ago, long before science figured out that the world isn't flat. Personally, I think that Buddhism is more believable than "almighty science". Cody > Karma or cause and effect explain the phenomena of destinies a helluva > lot better than some capricious god cranking out destinies does. Oh, you did need to compare it with a god, eh? > No, it > can't be proved without some scientific doubt due to the infancy that > science is in but some day I think it will. Who knows... > Remember that in Buddhism all this was explained over 3000 years ago, > long before science figured out that the world isn't flat. Personally, I > think that Buddhism is more believable than "almighty science". > > Cody Whatever floats your boat. Cheers, jeeb. hey jeeb, Cody just proved the second law of thermodynamics (in conjunction with original concepts, sometime around the age of Issac Newton). The Law of Entropy, which the first law of thermodynamics, et al. relies on. In isolated systems (only where these laws can be proven to their effects) things shall come apart gradually or explosively over time and come together again, bundled in different ways, in different unions, somewhere else. Constantly. It is inevitable. So the way I see it, a subjective use of the first law makes the inevitable need of the physics of the second law, which subjectified might say: "...turn your radio on, to the sound that's in the air, turn your radio on, there's glory everywhere! ...put your faith in God, Hallelujah! blah blah hummm hummm humm deee deee, turn your radio on, turn your radio on!" That song just falls apart on me someplace everytime I try to remember the lyric, but as you can see, the spirit of it turned up, those very same vibes, on this screen in front of you, pestering the daylights out of your sylvan day. ha ha ha 8-) fall fashions call for harvestime tie dye (saffron robes various sizes) cactus jammies ============================== >> Karma or cause and effect explain the phenomena of destinies a helluva >> lot better than some capricious god cranking out destinies does. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers, > jeeb. > hey jeeb, > Cody just proved the second law of thermodynamics (in conjunction with [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > fall fashions call for harvestime tie dye (saffron robes various sizes) Oh well, other than the fact that you just inverted the first and second law of thermodynamics (_the first_ is about systems in which the delta of potential energy (U) equals the heat provided to the system minus the work made by the system and for this reason is connected to the conservation of energy, _the second_ is about entropy) I, as usual, didn't understand anything of what you've said neither what what was going on in your brain when you wrote it. This, of course, is just my fault. Cheers, jeeb. ya I thought I wrote what you said, and I tried not to invert them, but I failed, obviously. the rest was just off the wall. heh heh the fault lies in me using the language in an unconventional way. the business about saffron robes and the radio was gibberish, not jeeberish (heh heh 8-) fact is I could not think of a way that the second law (entropy) could be subjectified according to the use that cody wanted to make with the first one. He has quoted various versions of that interpretation of the conservation of energy over the years. I gave up on him trying to talk about the force of entropy, which essentially says "we" don't come back as any "thing" necessarily. So I tried to take a shot of "his" transference by way of using radio waves... oh well back to my black hole, making more tie dye (google it, jeeb) Tie dye = Mandelbrot set. cactus jammies =========== > Oh well, > other than the fact that you just inverted the first and second law of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > jeeb. > ya I thought I wrote what you said, and I tried not to invert them, but I > failed, obviously. the rest was just off the wall. heh heh the fault lies [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > way of using radio waves... oh well back to my black hole, making more tie > dye (google it, jeeb) Tie dye = Mandelbrot set. Ooooopss! Sorry Cactus, you're right, you didn't invert anything. It was my fault reading something like "Cody provided..." instead of "Cody proved". I apologize, okay? Then, I've done my homework this time, read your post more carefully and looked for tie-dye and the Mandelbrot set. Thanks for the link and have a good day. Cheers, jeeb. Hi Jeeb, You know, you'r a real pal. I didn't expect that you would see the subjective connections between the arbitrary patterns in tie dyed material and the incongruent patterns in fractals. Do you see the similarities? Thank you for going through my maze of expressionism when I tried to first describe what I saw. I am notorious for invariably going to lateral mode when I do just about anything communicative. There is a divine beauty in the randomness of nature and I have found it is from time to time, best not to question why or how, but to observe and commune with the flow of colour and form, or hear it or physically feel it on your skin, or smell it, and tune into what the earthly aspects of our spirits feel about being part of a huge system that doesn't understand definition. That is one form of worship. cactus jammies discovered quite early that our output is determined mainly by the tools we use. I have discovered also that the joy is in the making just as much as it is in the consumption of output. nuff philosophy > Ooooopss! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > jeeb. Speaking of physics, here's a short blurb that was in my newspaper yesterday: "Chicago- The discovery that a bizarre particle travels between the real world of matter and the spooky realm of antimatter 3 trillion times a second may open the door to a new era of physics, Fermilabs researchers announced Monday." elmo Yin- "What goes around, comes around." Yang- "Who cares?" Curly- "Bwoob bwooob bwooob" //////////////// hey jeeb, Cody just proved the second law of thermodynamics (in conjunction with original concepts, sometime around the age of Issac Newton). The Law of Entropy, which the first law of thermodynamics, et al. relies on. In isolated systems (only where these laws can be proven to their effects) things shall come apart gradually or explosively over time and come together again, bundled in different ways, in different unions, somewhere else. Constantly. It is inevitable. So the way I see it, a subjective use of the first law makes the inevitable need of the physics of the second law, which subjectified might say: "...turn your radio on, to the sound that's in the air, turn your radio on, there's glory everywhere! ...put your faith in God, Hallelujah! blah blah hummm hummm humm deee deee, turn your radio on, turn your radio on!" That song just falls apart on me someplace everytime I try to remember the lyric, but as you can see, the spirit of it turned up, those very same vibes, on this screen in front of you, pestering the daylights out of your sylvan day. ha ha ha 8-) fall fashions call for harvestime tie dye (saffron robes various sizes) cactus jammies ============================== "ghibelno" <ghibelno@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:ef8ecb$5tj$1@emma.aioe.org... Cody wrote: Karma or cause and effect explain the phenomena of destinies a helluva lot better than some capricious god cranking out destinies does. Oh, you did need to compare it with a god, eh? No, it can't be proved without some scientific doubt due to the infancy that science is in but some day I think it will. Who knows... Remember that in Buddhism all this was explained over 3000 years ago, long before science figured out that the world isn't flat. Personally, I think that Buddhism is more believable than "almighty science". Cody Whatever floats your boat. Cheers, jeeb. http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Yo! Cody All that you touch All that you see All that you taste All you feel. All that you love All that you hate All you distrust All you save. All that you give All that you deal All that you buy, beg, borrow or steal. All you create All you destroy All that you do All that you say. All that you eat And everyone you meet All that you slight And everyone you fight. All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. "There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark." R. Waters /H /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Cody skrev: > >> Because cause and effect does exist, in everything. So, it's logical > >> to conclude that we carry our karma from life to life and that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Cody >>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > as silly). > Cody I was born in New Brunswick, to my parents, because that's where they lived. They were born where they were born for the same reason. You know that I don't believe in a god cranking out destinies, but neither can I accept a whole flock of spirits floating around choosing which newborn baby to move into. I believe in cause and effect, but I also believe that we don't yet have enough scientific knowledge to understand the very beginnings of consciousness. Spidey >>>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > I was born in New Brunswick, to my parents, because that's where they lived. > They were born where they were born for the same reason. "Because they lived there"? Why weren't you born to parents in Somalia or the Kennedy family? Why those parents? I say it was cause and effect, based on causes in your past lifetime. > You know that I > don't believe in a god cranking out destinies, but neither can I accept a > whole flock of spirits floating around choosing which newborn baby to move > into. Not what I said. In Buddhism you don't have a "spirit" but a life force. The only thing you take with you is your Karma and life force. > I believe in cause and effect, but I also believe that we don't yet > have enough scientific knowledge to understand the very beginnings of > consciousness. > > Spidey Science is in its infancy regarding this. Buddhism explained it over 3000 years ago. Take a look at the study material at www.nst.org and see what you think. Cody Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 11:32pm (CDT-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:jllRg.26578$6D6.6057@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:Va7Rg.21946$MA3.5589@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Stretch" <lonepawn@mail.com> wrote in message news:12gru2jnetus149@corp.supernews.com... Cody wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. Cody Hey Waterspider -- are we all happy now? Huh? I'm always happy. I'm an atheist who tries to live like a Buddhist. I'm an atheist too. We don't believe in a "supreme being". I know; it's that reincarnation thing I can't get my head around. There might just be a type of Buddhism out there that matches my beliefs (or lack thereof), but I don't know enough about them all. Spidey "Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can change", Einstein. Cody Yes, when something dies, it's form changes. I just don't believe that it has a spirit that wanders off to inhabit another body. Cody, do you know of any (religion isn't the right word) out there that might fit my way of life? Buddhism is the closest I've found. Not that I'm looking to find a religion (god forbid), but I am interested. Spidey ///////////// Ahahahahahahhah!! Looking for a religion that 'suits' your beliefs. That's what's wrong with religion.....people at odds with others because what 'suits' them doesn't 'suit' others. There are probably more religions and ways to interpret God's word in this world than there are countries. Intolerence abounds! Fact is, there is only one God and one Truth. Instead of looking for religions that suit you, you should be more concerned about what suits HIm. A relationship with God is a personal thing and organized religion won't necessarily get you there. Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's power. Elmo everything is irrelevent http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's > power. > Elmo What a convenient cop out. Cody Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 5:06pm (CDT+7) From: notever@msn.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's power. Elmo What a convenient cop out. Cody /////////// On the evolutionary chart, you're one step higher than a monkey. And yet, you pretend to know it all, Cody. ahahqahahahahaha elmo <cough, cough> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > yet, you pretend to know it all, Cody. ahahqahahahahaha > elmo I've got bad news for you, Elmo. I don't "know it all". Maybe humans come from the asteroids that were created after we blew ourselves up the first time and just had time to send a rocket with 12 babies to Earth. Cody On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:02:15 +0200, Cody <notever@msn.org>, in message ID <VCARg.26656$6D6.9604@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >I've got bad news for you, Elmo. I don't "know it all". Maybe humans >come from the asteroids that were created after we blew ourselves up the >first time and just had time to send a rocket with 12 babies to Earth. I think the Hitch Hiker's Guide version is more likely myself. The one where early humans used the leaves of the trees as currency. Due to being so plentiful the inflation rate was astronomical so they went around burning down the forests. Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 9:02pm (CDT+7) From: notever@msn.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 5:06pm (CDT+7) From: notever@msn.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's power. Elmo What a convenient cop out. Cody /////////// On the evolutionary chart, you're one step higher than a monkey. And yet, you pretend to know it all, Cody. ahahqahahahahaha elmo I've got bad news for you, Elmo. I don't "know it all". Maybe humans come from the asteroids that were created after we blew ourselves up the first time and just had time to send a rocket with 12 babies to Earth. Cody /////////// Yeah, I think you're onto something there. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > power. > Elmo I agree 100%. That's it logically. doogie >> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > I agree 100%. That's it logically. doogie Oh dear, there's no room for logic if you're talking about Elmo's beliefs, doogie-woogie. Don't you know that the definition of faith presumes the absence of logic? Spidey >>> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Spidey Not logical. Presumption based belief on your part. And the darkness comprehended it not. doogie-woogie >>>> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Not logical. Presumption based belief on your part. And the darkness > comprehended it not. doogie-woogie I do not believe. That's the whole point. >>>>> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > I do not believe. That's the whole point. Voila!...Tabula Rasa! Now you have an opportunity. Remember when you can get the pebble you may leave the temple. doogie not the holder of the pebbles >>>>>> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > get the pebble you may leave the temple. doogie not the holder of the > pebbles The question is are you the master of your mind or is your mind your master? Cody >>>>>>> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > Cody No Cody, the question is, Is your master your belief/nonbelief or is the one and only Truth your master. doogie swaying in the wind Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 3:12pm (CDT-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) "dt12" <dt12@whodo.com> wrote in message news:T4CdnQlUmZ9aMIvYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@adelphia.com... <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14316-45168E19-2061@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net... Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 11:32pm (CDT-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:jllRg.26578$6D6.6057@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:Va7Rg.21946$MA3.5589@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Stretch" <lonepawn@mail.com> wrote in message news:12gru2jnetus149@corp.supernews.com... Cody wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. Cody Hey Waterspider -- are we all happy now? Huh? I'm always happy. I'm an atheist who tries to live like a Buddhist. I'm an atheist too. We don't believe in a "supreme being". I know; it's that reincarnation thing I can't get my head around. There might just be a type of Buddhism out there that matches my beliefs (or lack thereof), but I don't know enough about them all. Spidey "Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can change", Einstein. Cody Yes, when something dies, it's form changes. I just don't believe that it has a spirit that wanders off to inhabit another body. Cody, do you know of any (religion isn't the right word) out there that might fit my way of life? Buddhism is the closest I've found. Not that I'm looking to find a religion (god forbid), but I am interested. Spidey ///////////// Ahahahahahahhah!! Looking for a religion that 'suits' your beliefs. That's what's wrong with religion.....people at odds with others because what 'suits' them doesn't 'suit' others. There are probably more religions and ways to interpret God's word in this world than there are countries. Intolerence abounds! Fact is, there is only one God and one Truth. Instead of looking for religions that suit you, you should be more concerned about what suits HIm. A relationship with God is a personal thing and organized religion won't necessarily get you there. Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's power. Elmo I agree 100%. That's it logically. doogie Oh dear, there's no room for logic if you're talking about Elmo's beliefs, doogie-woogie. Don't you know that the definition of faith presumes the absence of logic? Spidey ///////////// I just love your condescending voice, Spidey. It's so 'superior' of you. elmo oh dear, me http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > elmo > oh dear, me Elmo just gave us an example how many Christians, when they can't explain something or give an intelligent reply, go for the messenger's persona in a lame effort to change the subject. Cody Cody, Evangelist for the Church of Hypocrisy. If what you're seeking and believing in produces the fruit I see on this NG...then why in the World would you think you could convince anyone of anything? You convince me more than ever that there is a loving God...whom at the moment, you've rejected. Your loss....But remember grasshopper, you can always come home. Amazing...just amazing. > Cody, Evangelist for the Church of Hypocrisy. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Amazing...just amazing. Another example of a Christian, unable to address the content, who takes aim at the messenger in a lame attempt to distract from the subject on hand to the persona of the poster. *Everybody* is a hypocrite. *No one*, not even Mother Teresa, practices as one preaches. This reminds me of a joke. Mother Teresa and God were up in heaven and it was lunch time. God pulled out four tuna fish sandwiches, kept two for himself and gave the other two to Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa looks down to Hell and sees all these people enjoying prime rib, lobster and other goodies and wonders. Come dinner time and God takes out four more tuna fish sandwiches and hands two to Mother Teresa. This keeps happening day after day. Her curiosity gets the best of her and she asks God, "How come all the people in Hell are enjoying good food and we only get two tuna fish sandwiches?" God replied, "With only two people, we can hardly justify a chef." Cody Cody said: "Another example of a Christian, unable to address the content, who takes aim at the messenger in a lame attempt to distract from the subject on hand to the persona of the poster". Think about the above statement Cody......I'll wait...................................................................Right....All you ever do is take aim at the messengers.......You interject some of your theories about what is truth and expect everyone to sit like scientist at a convention all nodding their heads in agreement... Have you never in your life been unable to hear what someone is saying because of the way they say it? Sure you have. Thats what it is with you Cody. You hit everyone with a sledge-hammer then wonder why most retaliate. You're a bigot, and malicious racist, and you expect me to listen to your preaching? You have high hopes Cody, I'll give you that. You're an angry, bitter, self-pitying little man. And because of that you lash out continually against those who profess to have found some peace in this life through their belief in a loving God and Creator. Borders on evil if you ask me. But then again evil doesn't exsist in your world does it Cody. All > you ever do is take aim at the messengers.......You interject some of > your theories about what is truth and expect everyone to sit like > scientist at a convention all nodding their heads in agreement... Ad hominem attack. > Have you never in your life been unable to hear what someone is saying > because of the way they say it? Sure you have. Ad hominem attack. > Thats what it is with you Cody. You hit everyone with a sledge-hammer > then wonder why most retaliate. Ad hominem attack. > You're a bigot, and malicious racist, and you expect me to listen to > your preaching? Ad hominem attack. > You have high hopes Cody, I'll give you that. Thanks. > You're an angry, bitter, self-pitying little man. Ad hominem attack. > And because of that > you lash out continually against those who profess to have found some > peace in this life through their belief in a loving God and Creator. Incorrect analysis. I am very happy but that doesn't mean I believe in an inexistent god. > Borders on evil if you ask me. Ad hominem attack. > But then again evil doesn't exsist in > your world does it Cody. Oh, yes it does. However, is a two liter bottle of water evil or good? Depends on the person using it, doesn't it? The bottle of water is neutral. Now can you address the issues or only obsess on my persona? Cody Cody you don't get it.......The issue is your persona.......Come on guy, can't you see that? > Cody you don't get it.......The issue is your persona.......Come on > guy, can't you see that? No, we've been discussing inexistent gods, reincarnation, whether something can be created or destroyed, Buddhism and many other issues, none of which have anything to do with my persona. Only the clueless Christians like you and Elmo are obsessing on my sterling personality. If you have some comments regarding the issues, by all means give us your opinion. If you're going to come up with comments like these: "You're a bigot, and malicious racist, and you expect me to listen to your preaching?" and "You're an angry, bitter, self-pitying little man.", please keep your denigrating comments to yourself and practice what your false religion, Christianity, preaches. Cody One lasting impression I got about the power and the glory was in that scene in the 10 commandments movie where Moses had this stick that turned into a big snake and ate all the Pharoah's stick snakes that his magicians conjured up. Then I think it rained fireballs or something like that, and all those huge grasshoppers came along and there was a plugged drain on the Red Sea, and a bunch of chariots got all washed away and me thinking there in the theatre that there might be neat stuff laying around in that spot, but too bad about the horses, and the charioteers being weighed down by all that armour. The next summer I damn near drown when a bunch of church camp senior campers or guides or whatever they called themselves threw me into the lake. Karma. cactus Jammies ============= >> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, >> Sep 25, 2006, 3:12pm (CDT-2) [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Cody > Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Elmo > everything is irrelevent Hi there, Doc! I didn't really expect you to join this conversation, but... welcome to my world! I respect that you believe in God, but I will not accept that as "fact" (because it isn't) and I disagree that I should be concerned about what suits Him. Remember, I do not believe in the supernatural, in past lives or an afterlife, so I am not capable of being concerned about any of it, much less what might suit Him. In my post, I said that religion was not the right word. Perhaps a subject of study and meditation is what I'm looking for. Maybe not even looking for it, but wondering if one exists for me. Spidey Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 3:10pm (CDT-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14316-45168E19-2061@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net... Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Sep 23, 2006, 11:32pm (CDT-2) From: waterspider@moonlight.net (Waterspider) "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:jllRg.26578$6D6.6057@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Cody" <notever@msn.org> wrote in message news:Va7Rg.21946$MA3.5589@news.ono.com... Waterspider wrote: "Stretch" <lonepawn@mail.com> wrote in message news:12gru2jnetus149@corp.supernews.com... Cody wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060914/ts_csm/cbuddha Too bad it's Tibetan and not True Buddhism. Cody Hey Waterspider -- are we all happy now? Huh? I'm always happy. I'm an atheist who tries to live like a Buddhist. I'm an atheist too. We don't believe in a "supreme being". I know; it's that reincarnation thing I can't get my head around. There might just be a type of Buddhism out there that matches my beliefs (or lack thereof), but I don't know enough about them all. Spidey "Nothing can be created or destroyed in this universe; only the form can change", Einstein. Cody Yes, when something dies, it's form changes. I just don't believe that it has a spirit that wanders off to inhabit another body. Cody, do you know of any (religion isn't the right word) out there that might fit my way of life? Buddhism is the closest I've found. Not that I'm looking to find a religion (god forbid), but I am interested. Spidey ///////////// Ahahahahahahhah!! Looking for a religion that 'suits' your beliefs. That's what's wrong with religion.....people at odds with others because what 'suits' them doesn't 'suit' others. There are probably more religions and ways to interpret God's word in this world than there are countries. Intolerence abounds! Fact is, there is only one God and one Truth. Instead of looking for religions that suit you, you should be more concerned about what suits HIm. A relationship with God is a personal thing and organized religion won't necessarily get you there. Man can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the universe and God's power. Elmo everything is irrelevent Hi there, Doc! I didn't really expect you to join this conversation, but... welcome to my world! I respect that you believe in God, but I will not accept that as "fact" (because it isn't) and I disagree that I should be concerned about what suits Him. Remember, I do not believe in the supernatural, in past lives or an afterlife, so I am not capable of being concerned about any of it, much less what might suit Him. In my post, I said that religion was not the right word. Perhaps a subject of study and meditation is what I'm looking for. Maybe not even looking for it, but wondering if one exists for me. Spidey //////////// You can meditate on anything, perhaps your navel would work. :-) elmo 'blessed be your navel' http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >> Re: "Buddhism" on the Rise >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Spidey It doesn't exist for or in spite of you. be aware grasshopper. doogie-woogie again >I know; it's that reincarnation thing I can't get my head around. There >might just be a type of Buddhism out there that matches my beliefs (or lack >thereof), but I don't know enough about them all. > >Spidey Why not just start a religion all your own customized to suit you. It could be profitable as well. Don |
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