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FYI new data on retreatment

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kjoh - 22 Aug 2006 02:22 GMT
Hi gang.  This summary is from a large Canadian study, published in July.
They retreated geno 1,2 and 3 relapsers and nonresponders with combo tx.
Some of the patients were only treated for 24 weeks (?!) and the Ribavirin
dose was only 800 mg daily(?!).  "When data were analysed by genotype, SVR
rates were 24% (61/253) in genotype 1 and 47% (28/59) in genotype 2/3."  I
am a geno 1 relapser.  Should I try to retreat?  Ugh. Long odds.  I will
ask my doc in a few weeks.  

kj
reporting the news

Peginterferon alfa-2a (40KD) plus ribavirin in chronic hepatitis C
patients who
failed previous interferon therapy.

Sherman M, Yoshida EM, Deschenes M, Krajden M, Bain V, Peltekian K,
Anderson F,
Kaita K, Simonyi S, Balshaw R, Lee SS.
Gut. 2006 Jun 27
Toronto General Hospital, Canada.

BACKGROUND: The management of patients with chronic hepatitis C who have
relapsed or failed to respond to interferon-based therapies is an
important
issue facing hepatologists. AIMS: We evaluated the efficacy and safety of
peginterferon alfa 2a (40KD) plus ribavirin in this population by
conducting a
multicentre, open-label study. PATIENTS: Data from adults with detectable
serum
HCV RNA who had not responded or had relapsed after previous conventional
interferon or conventional interferon/ribavirin combination therapy were
analysed. METHODS: Patients were re-treated with peginterferon alfa 2a
(40KD)
180 microg/week plus ribavirin 800 mg/day for 24 or 48 weeks at the
investigators' discretion. The study was conceived before the optimal dose
of
ribavirin (1000/1200 mg/day) for patients with genotype 1 was known. The
primary
endpoint was sustained virological response (SVR), defined as undetectable
HCV
RNA (<50 IU/mL) after 24 weeks' follow-up. The analysis was conducted by
intention-to-treat. RESULTS: A total of 312 patients (212 non responders,
100
relapsers) were included. Of these, 28 patients were treated for 24 weeks
and
284 for 48 weeks. Baseline characteristics between non-responders and
relapsers
were similar although more non-responders had genotype 1 infection (87%
vs.
69%). Overall SVR rates were 23% (48/212) for non-responders and 41%
(41/100)
for relapsers. When data were analysed by genotype, SVR rates were 24%
(61/253)
in genotype 1 and 47% (28/59) in genotype 2/3. CONCLUSIONS: These "real
world"
results in a large patient cohort demonstrate that it is possible to cure
a
proportion of previous non-responders and relapsers by re- treating with
peginterferon alfa 2a (40KD) plus ribavirin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16709661&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

mags - 22 Aug 2006 02:37 GMT
Well if I relapse KJ - wait for me - I will start next August. Putting
my game plan into effect.

Mags
KJ were you 1a or 1b?

> Hi gang.  This summary is from a large Canadian study, published in July.
> They retreated geno 1,2 and 3 relapsers and nonresponders with combo tx.
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>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16709661&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
kjoh - 22 Aug 2006 03:51 GMT
"Putting my game plan into effect." Mags

Mags you nevermind about doing it again.  You won't need to.  You just
finished tx yesterday, did you not?  It's time for you to walk down the
runway all smiles with a bouquet of red roses and a tiara, mon cherie.
Enjoy your victory, then go forth and save the world.  You are a star :-)

kj
geno 1b
mags - 22 Aug 2006 20:50 GMT
Hey KJ - I actually finished this morning and will take Riba until
Thursday - then I can do my victory walk lol.  Its more like me
crawling down the runway with a bedraggled bouquet of weeds with half a
head of hair lol.  Love ya KJ

Mags

> "Putting my game plan into effect." Mags
>
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> kj
> geno 1b
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 23 Aug 2006 12:40 GMT
Woo hooooooo!!!  I understand the pageant's prize is free breast
augmentation surgery.  What size implants do you want?  hehe
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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mags - 23 Aug 2006 21:16 GMT
Thats one prize I can pass on Elmo - lol

Mags
every thing is mine

> Woo hooooooo!!!  I understand the pageant's prize is free breast
> augmentation surgery.  What size implants do you want?  hehe
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 24 Aug 2006 13:12 GMT
You don't want the 'boobie prize'?  We can have em mounted for you.  
elmo
///////
Thats one prize I can pass on Elmo - lol
Mags
every thing is mine
elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote:
Woo hooooooo!!! I understand the pageant's prize is free breast
augmentation surgery. What size implants do you want? hehe elmo
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 22 Aug 2006 03:27 GMT
Increase the riba dosage by a couple of caps and give daily Infergen
along with the other interferon for the first couple months of an 11
month regimen for type 1's, and I'll bet the success rate jumps up
another 20%.  Let them give that study a look.  (never happen)
elmo

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kjoh - 22 Aug 2006 03:55 GMT
Hooooboy the Elmerson Plan.  We eat cheesy poofs or we be dead :-)

I might try infergen plus riba...if I can find a doc in this town who will
treat me.  I'm not even sure if I have the option.  It will be months
before I make up my mind.

kj
eating cheesy poofs
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 22 Aug 2006 13:09 GMT
Re: FYI new data on retreatment  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 10:55pm (CDT+1)
From: kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com (kjoh)
Hooooboy the Elmerson Plan. We eat cheesy poofs or we be dead :-)
I might try infergen plus riba...if I can find a doc in this town who
will treat me. I'm not even sure if I have the option. It will be months
before I make up my mind.
kj
eating cheesy poofs
/////////////
Since you've already done the Peglyated interferon and riba for the
entire duration of tx, it would make sense that you'd try something
different, since what you were doing didn't work.  My experience (The
Elmerson Plan) is that when the two types of interferon are combined
(Infergen and Peg) and done at the same time, along with heavy doses of
riba, that it beats the hell out of the virus and gets viral counts low
extremely fast.  And that seems key to getting an SVR (going
undetectable as early in tx as possible).  It's not the easiest regimen
to tolerate, but if you can maintain it until early undetectable levels
of virus are confirmed, then you can drop the daily Infergen and
continue Peg and riba (lots of riba) and cruise the rest of the way to
SVR.  
elmo

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greyhackles - 22 Aug 2006 04:53 GMT
>Hi gang.  This summary is from a large Canadian study, published in July.
>They retreated geno 1,2 and 3 relapsers and nonresponders with combo tx.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>kj

This study involves a cohort that failed therapy using conventional interferon
with/without Ribavirin. The SVR percentages are likely a reflection of the
enhanced effectivity/greatly slowed clearance rate for pegylated interferon
over the old-school interferon, and not much more (and in fact, perhaps less -
as the Riba certainly wasn't optimally dosed, in consideration of what we've
come to learn in the last two years). Someone who relapsed after the standard
24 or 48 month course using pegylated interferon with Riba isn't really
representative of that test cohort, and thus probably can't draw much from the
results, good or bad.

/greyhackles
dt12 - 22 Aug 2006 05:13 GMT
>>Hi gang.  This summary is from a large Canadian study, published in July.
>>They retreated geno 1,2 and 3 relapsers and nonresponders with combo tx.
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>
> /greyhackles

thanks for the interpretation grey,  i needed that,   doogie
anonymousone - 22 Aug 2006 08:32 GMT
> >>Hi gang.  This summary is from a large Canadian study, published in July.
> >>They retreated geno 1,2 and 3 relapsers and nonresponders with combo tx.
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>
> thanks for the interpretation grey,  i needed that,   doogie

If it was me, I would look for treatment for relapsers with one of the
new drugs at a clinical trial. Phase II trial or better.

Info at

www.clinicatrial.gov
 
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