Your kidneys not working correctly (I think) would be the first place
to look if you didn't already know you had liver problems. Besides,
the liver problems are destroying many parts of your body including
(and especially) your kidneys.
> > Raised Bilrubin when liver is in bad shape can cause
> > itch
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> BG in Seattle.
> > Raised Bilrubin when liver is in bad shape can cause
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BG,
It's not a matter of having a false normal high limit for ALT. All labs are
required to establish normal ranges based upon their patient population and
test methodology. By definition, these calculations can not account for the
roughly 5% of people who are symptomatic with a "normal" ALT. In the same
way, some people will have slightly high "abnormal" ALT levels with no
evidence of disease. This is true for almost all biological testing. It is
also the reason most labs have substituted the term "reference range" for
"normal range."
What is important is to track measured changes in the concentration of
selected blood 'markers.' In so doing, it is possible to observe
progression or remission of associated illnesses.
Of course, these comments are meant to address mildly abnormal test results
only. Extremely abnormal results must be considered sentinel events that
require immediate intervention or further evaluation.
By the way, itching secondary to liver disease is not unusual. There are
many reasons; including elevated bilirubin levels, high uric acid levels,
low albumin levels ( which affect the plasma fluid balance, and contribute
to dry skin ), just to name a few. I would have a comprehensive metabolic
panel run just to see if there is anything out of whack. And then go ahead
and treat it with one of the topical preparations others have already
mentioned. Extra-strength Gold Bond medicated lotion (the green bottle)
works well for me.
Thom
Burke Gilman - 28 May 2006 20:20 GMT
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> Thom
Thom,
My contention, based on a study I found cited somewhere else in this
group, is that many or most labs are using a reference range for ALT
that is simply incorrect because the upper limit for that range is set
too high. To be clear, although my pre-Tx ALT of 48 U/L is well within
the reference range of 12-59 U/L set by the lab, it is also a value
that places me in the top 1% of the population at large. Only when
compared to values found in a population containing an extraordinary
percentage of hepatitis patients is my ALT then something that is
plausibly viewable as normal. Thus, I see my ALT as being abnormally
high, *elevated* by definition, and therefore a likely culprit for the
pre-Tx symptom of intermittent itching.
Bilirubin seems to get the first attention when symptoms of itching for
the chronic hep-c patient crop up, but this value as measured by the
labs for me was truly normal. I understand how abnormal uric acid and
albumin levels would cause problems, but related objective symptoms are
absent and blood work for these values produce truly normal results
also.
Thank you for bringing my attention to the fact that there are profound
limitations imposed on labs by constraints necessarily inherent to
biological testing. I admit I am substantially naive in this area and
suspect that should I gain an improved understanding, doing so might go
far toward resolving the hubris I now suffer in regard to certain lab
findings. Until then, and as long as I remain under the incredibly
irritating influence of interferon and ribavirin therapy, I will likely
continue to perceive ALT lab findings as a lot of mealy-mouthed caw-caw
that is being skewed and spewed by a majority of labs that presently
fall well short of having their collective sh.t together.
Cheers,
BG in Seattle
Burke Gilman - 28 May 2006 20:26 GMT
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Oh, and another thing, I'll definitely look for some of that Gold Bond
lotion in the green bottle that you mentioned. If I find some, then
maybe when I'm sitting in that Biology class that I signed up for this
Summer, I won't feel compelled to scratch myself as often.
Later,
BG