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Immigrate to Canada with Hep C?
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tim - 22 May 2006 05:34 GMT I haven't been here in a long time. I read and occasionally posted to ash.c awhile back, but when it became clear that I'm not sick (yes, I have HCV, it's just not doing my liver any harm yet), I decided to think about other stuff in my life for a change. Just now I took a peek at recent threads and was delighted to find Cody still attacking Christianity and being attacked by Christians, Spidey supporting him, and Elmo making excretory, sacreligious jokes. I miss you guys, and Dez (sigh!) and Mom and a bunch of others. One of these years I'll be back, whining about treatment (I can whine with the best) and looking for sympathy, and I sincerely hope Elmo makes fart jokes about it.
But that's not the reason for this post. This is. My wife and I are thinking about applying to immigrate to Canada. We are both US citizens, I was born in the US, she was born in Japan. We both have lots of education and work experience and I have relatives in BC. From what I can tell, the only potential hurdle is my HCV positive status. Everything I can find on the Web is vague, for example:
Applicants may be rejected solely on medical grounds, if: * their condition would endanger the health or safety of the Canadian population at large, * their admission might cause excessive demand on social or health services provided by the government, or * their condition might reasonably prevent them from supporting themselves and those dependent upon them.
And of course the decision is made by some bureaucrat. Are there any Canadian immigration lawyers around here? If not, how about some random opinions? Or just question my sanity for wanting to leave the US. Any kind of attention is good. It's being ignored that I can't stand.
tim
Paul - 22 May 2006 11:36 GMT On Sun, 21 May 2006 21:34:48 -0700, tim <tim@tim.com>, in message ID <PYCdnRuV0IT1ouzZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>I haven't been here in a long time. I read and occasionally posted to >ash.c awhile back, but when it became clear that I'm not sick (yes, I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >tim Hello Tim. I haven't a clue about the stuff you're asking about. I'm only replying so you don't feel ignored :-) Best of luck with it.
tim - 24 May 2006 04:21 GMT > On Sun, 21 May 2006 21:34:48 -0700, tim <tim@tim.com>, in message ID > <PYCdnRuV0IT1ouzZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > replying so you don't feel ignored :-) > Best of luck with it. Thanks, Paul. I lost track long ago, shouldn't you be done with treatment by now? How'd it go?
tim
Paul - 24 May 2006 09:27 GMT On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:21:22 -0700, tim <tim@tim.com>, in message ID <it-dnaIPRPmzTO7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>Thanks, Paul. I lost track long ago, shouldn't you be done with >treatment by now? How'd it go? Treatment finished a long time ago for me (August '04). Some of the 24 weeks were pretty bumpy but the most recent test (18 months post tx a few weeks ago) revealed that the virus was still undetectable. I suppose I can call that a cure.
tim - 26 May 2006 02:35 GMT > On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:21:22 -0700, tim <tim@tim.com>, in message ID > <it-dnaIPRPmzTO7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, in the newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a few weeks ago) revealed that the virus was still undetectable. I > suppose I can call that a cure. You sure can. Congratulations!
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 22 May 2006 12:41 GMT Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored.
:-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo
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tim - 24 May 2006 04:23 GMT > Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're > asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around?
tim
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 24 May 2006 12:56 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, May 23, 2006, 8:23pm (CDT-2) From: tim@tim.com (tim) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. :-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around? tim ///////////// Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. elmo
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Cody - 24 May 2006 13:18 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > casket. I miss her too. > elmo Considering the groovy new Stop Loss program, it's quite possible. I would be very worried if I were her. Perhaps you should view the flash movie I posted. You might learn something. But, then again, that might prevent you from childishly hurling virtual turds and farts my way.
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 24 May 2006 13:45 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 2:18pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, May 23, 2006, 8:23pm (CDT-2) From: tim@tim.com (tim) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. :-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around? tim ///////////// Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. elmo Considering the groovy new Stop Loss program, it's quite possible. I would be very worried if I were her. Perhaps you should view the flash movie I posted. You might learn something. But, then again, that might prevent you from childishly hurling virtual turds and farts my way. Cody ///////////// Yes, I'm certain that hc is, or was, quite worried about her son, just like every mother that has a son in harms way. And you, in your usual cold-hearted and calculatingly spiteful manner, told her that her son would be coming home for Christmas in a casket. It's not your position on the war that's caused virtual turds and farts to be hurled your way, it's the total disrespect you showed hc, and the many 'others' over the years. Here's another one in your face.......BRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT!! elmo childishly cackling
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Cody - 24 May 2006 14:15 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Yes, I'm certain that hc is, or was, quite worried about her son, just > like every mother that has a son in harms way. I guess maybe she should have tried to stop him from volunteering instead of crying over spilled milk.
> And you, in your usual > cold-hearted and calculatingly spiteful manner, told her that her son > would be coming home for Christmas in a casket. No, what I did was post the I'm Fixin' to Die Blues by Country Joe and the Fish. You took it the worst way possible.
> It's not your position > on the war that's caused virtual turds and farts to be hurled your way, > it's the total disrespect you showed hc, and the many 'others' over the > years. No, it's the fact that I don't put up with your and others' childish bullshit or Christianity.
> Here's another one in your face.......BRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT!! > elmo > childishly cackling Grow the f.ck up or can you?
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 May 2006 00:36 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 3:15pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 2:18pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, May 23, 2006, 8:23pm (CDT-2) From: tim@tim.com (tim) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. :-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around? tim ///////////// Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. elmo Considering the groovy new Stop Loss program, it's quite possible. I would be very worried if I were her. Perhaps you should view the flash movie I posted. You might learn something. But, then again, that might prevent you from childishly hurling virtual turds and farts my way. Cody ///////////// Yes, I'm certain that hc is, or was, quite worried about her son, just like every mother that has a son in harms way. I guess maybe she should have tried to stop him from volunteering instead of crying over spilled milk. And you, in your usual cold-hearted and calculatingly spiteful manner, told her that her son would be coming home for Christmas in a casket. No, what I did was post the I'm Fixin' to Die Blues by Country Joe and the Fish. You took it the worst way possible. It's not your position on the war that's caused virtual turds and farts to be hurled your way, it's the total disrespect you showed hc, and the many 'others' over the years. No, it's the fact that I don't put up with your and others' childish bullshit or Christianity. Here's another one in your face.......BRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT!! elmo childishly cackling Grow the f.ck up or can you? Cody ////////// One measure of maturity is an individual's ability to show respect and empathy for other's feelings. You fail miserably, Cody. Don't even talk to me about 'growing up', jackass. elmo
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Cody - 25 May 2006 01:07 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > One measure of maturity is an individual's ability to show respect and > empathy for other's feelings. And your example of respect and empathy is hurling virtual turds and farts?
> You fail miserably, Cody. Your agenda based opinion.
> Don't even talk > to me about 'growing up', jackass. > elmo Oh, I see, calling someone a jackass is also showing respect and empathy?
Just trying to learn from the master of maturity who shows respect and empathy for others' feelings. Should I also say someone lives in a dust bin in the middle of a campo turd to really grow up properly? Should I care if minors might read my words on the open Internet or is that just for immature people like me?
Cody
dt12 - 25 May 2006 16:18 GMT Hey Codster, slowly I turned.....step by step.....inch by inch.... Doug
>> Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c >> Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 3:15pm (CDT+7) [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Cody Sara - 24 May 2006 13:35 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C?
Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, May 23, 2006, 8:23pm (CDT-2) From: tim@tim.com (tim) Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. :-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around? tim ///////////// Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. elmo
OMG. Cody did that, and you guys still defend his posts? And those of us who tried to state our position that tolerance and respect for folks religious leanings is important get blasted out of the water?
something's very wrong here.
Sara
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Cody - 24 May 2006 14:12 GMT > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a > casket. A lie.
> I miss her too. > elmo [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sara Considering that *anyone* who goes to Iraq stands a very good chance of coming home in a box, my point is good. Of course, Elmo didn't mention that all I did was post the song by Country Joe and the Fish about Viet Nam which is still applicable today. Remember, HC's son did not get drafted. He volunteered and what with the new Stop Loss program, they can keep him in Iraq forever.
Sooooooo, instead of getting pissed off at the American government for fooling HC's son, everyone gets pissed off at the messenger, me.
Yes, there's something very wrong here.
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 24 May 2006 16:15 GMT Hey cody you canine feces collector, You know, young people have imaginations. Some youngfolk are drawn to things like fast cars, get as much as you can nookie, alcohol and drugs, the latest look, hairstyles, uniformed and carrying the latest verions of the M-16 around, whatever. Were you denied the ability to act on your imagination perhaps when you were 15 to 25? It makes me wonder why you don't use more subjective opinion rather than as you do, expect many readers to agree and support your points, even though you use tirade and invective rather than suggestion and encouragement? If you did more of that and less challengiing the thin veneers of stability that have got a lot of us up to this point in this life, then you could use your imagination to explain what attracts you to your particular version of Buddhist avocation, or perhaps what its like waiting for treatment for HCV for so long or comments about the personality (not necessarily farts) and bolstering it, if addressing them. You really don't have much more than a smattering of virtual respect when you sh.t on peoples shrines, do you? That's only done in places like Saudi Arabia and Northern India, places that westerners should be concerned about like twenty years ago.
just a thought
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> Considering that *anyone* who goes to Iraq stands a very good chance of > coming home in a box, my point is good. Of course, Elmo didn't mention [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cody Cody - 24 May 2006 17:19 GMT > Hey cody you canine feces collector, f.ck off.
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 24 May 2006 18:49 GMT Cody no, you will never need support, you don/t know what the word means.
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>> Hey cody you canine feces collector, > > f.ck off. > > Cody Cody - 24 May 2006 19:07 GMT > Cody > no, you will never need support, you don/t know what the word means. I know that calling someone a "canine feces collector" isn't support. I know that blowing virtual farts in peoples' faces isn't support. I know that hurling virtual turds isn't support. YMMV.
I also know that if and when I go into treatment, I will get support from people in person. We have a very large, real life, hep support group where I live and, yes, they are very supportive. I suspect they have one where you and the others on this list live but I guess your interpersonal skills can be summed up by:
"Hey cody you canine feces collector"
and you're forced to get support on line so you don't have to actually meet someone.
Cody
> cactus jammies----------------------------- >>> Hey cody you canine feces collector, >> f.ck off. >> >> Cody Cactus Jammies - 24 May 2006 19:57 GMT Cody, some trite observations: part of having a creative imagination is having a postive sense of humour and a bit of humility.
I met a couple from Singapore who talked in terms of the concept of "face". People might expect civility, at least or in the best case, exchange of face saving gestures in order to carry on civil and courteous discourse. Or are you in your imagination the Unibomber?
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>> Cody >> no, you will never need support, you don/t know what the word means. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >>> Cody elmoemerson@webtv.net - 24 May 2006 14:16 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 8:35am (CDT+1) From: puffler@wowway.com (Sara) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18951-44744A00-1@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net... Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, May 23, 2006, 8:23pm (CDT-2) From: tim@tim.com (tim) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Welcome back, Tim. Sorry, I don't know jack sh.t about what you're asking, and like Paul, thought I'd answer so you don't feel ignored. :-) Am saving a few good farts for when you start tx. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Thanks, Elmo. From you, I consider that highly affectionate. You know who I miss? Hippiechik. She was SVR, right? Is she still around? tim ///////////// Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. elmo OMG. Cody did that, and you guys still defend his posts? And those of us who tried to state our position that tolerance and respect for folks religious leanings is important get blasted out of the water? something's very wrong here. Sara //////////// Yep, Cody did that!! And it shouldn't come as a surprise that his comments began when some of us offered hc and her son our thoughts and prayers. Hc had made it clear that she was a Christian, so we knew we weren't offending her by doing so. Cody has a long history of despicable acts. ahahahahahahah!! I could go on forever........ask Lana, Dez, Thipper, Hc......jeeez, they all went away! Cracks me up the way Cody whines about having turds thrown his way. The poor guy, I feel sorry for him. ahahahahahahahahaha!! Elmo
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Cody - 24 May 2006 14:29 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > his way. The poor guy, I feel sorry for him. ahahahahahahahahaha!! > Elmo I hate to burst your bubble, Elmo, but your childish rants and virtual turds and farts don't affect me one iota. It's interesting, though, how you consider my telling the truth as "despicable" and your childish rants as supportive.
Cody
Maitake - 24 May 2006 16:16 GMT "Plonk"
Cody - 24 May 2006 17:22 GMT > "Plonk" My, my, another plonker who has to announce their decision to the world like a drama queen. How pathetic can you get?
Cody
Sara - 24 May 2006 17:37 GMT so you think you're clever, using a different address so that those of us who choose not to read your sick contributions to this newsgroup wind up being exposed to your poisonous spewings regardless of our wishes?
I'll just keep plonking :) have fun
Sara proud to be a drama queen
>> "Plonk" > > My, my, another plonker who has to announce their decision to > the world like a drama queen. How pathetic can you get? > > Cody Cactus Jammies - 24 May 2006 18:59 GMT > so you think you're clever, using a different address so that those of us > who choose not to read your sick contributions to this newsgroup wind up [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sara > proud to be a drama queen ------------------------ 8-) May 24, 2006 - from The Daily Om -
Dropped Into Still Waters
The Ripple Effect
In a world of six billion people, it's easy to believe that the only way to initiate profound transformation is to take extreme action. Each of us, however, carries within us the capacity to change the world in small ways for better or worse. Everything we do and think affects the people in our lives, and their reactions in turn affect others. As the effect of a seemingly insignificant word passes from person to person, its impact grows and can become a source of great joy, inspiration, anxiety, or pain. Your thoughts and actions are like stones dropped into still waters, causing ripples to spread and expand as they move outward. The impact you have on the world is greater than you could ever imagine, and the choices you make can have far-reaching consequences. You can use the ripple effect to make a positive difference and spread waves of kindness that will wash over the world.
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A smile directed at a stranger, a compliment given to a friend, an attitude of laughter, or a thoughtful gesture can send ripples that spread among your loved ones and associates, out into your community, and finally throughout the world. You have the power to touch the lives of everyone you come into contact with and everyone those people come into contact with. The momentum of your influence will grow as your ripples moves onward and outward. One of those ripples could become a tidal wave of love and kindness.
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>>> "Plonk" >> >> My, my, another plonker who has to announce their decision to the world >> like a drama queen. How pathetic can you get? >> >> Cody Russ Tanner - 25 May 2006 07:00 GMT Not nearly as pathetic as you who has to change his fake email address constantly to keep up your bullshit.
Man your a sick f.cked up motherf..ker....
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> > > > "Plonk" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cody Cody - 25 May 2006 11:26 GMT > Man your a sick f.cked up motherf..ker.... Boogie On - 29 May 2006 15:48 GMT Elmo i have been colder at heart concerning cody. but the casket bit was as low as cody can be. i never considered being friendly towards him. some folks would say he has that right. yea, i guess. but thats why i like the good ole boy approach. a length of good rope or a horse whip or good old fashioned tar and feathering. you see, we had less rapes, murders etc etc etc in the south . call it what you may, we just did not (and some of us are still around!) tolerate the bullshit. period. you treated ladies with respect. kept your hands to yourself unless you wanted to have your eyes beat shut. and you spoke with respect in public. the days when men were men are about gone. now its call the cops, smoke crack, wear your pants down to your knees and your sister can screw anybody and thats cool. bull! the way it is actually sucks.
Cody - 29 May 2006 15:59 GMT > Elmo i have been colder at heart concerning cody. but the casket bit was > as low as cody can be. i never considered being friendly towards him. My benefit.
> some folks would say he has that right. yea, i guess. but thats why i > like the good ole boy approach. a length of good rope or a horse whip or > good old fashioned tar and feathering. How barbaric.
> you see, we had less rapes, > murders etc etc etc in the south . call it what you may, we just did not > (and some of us are still around!) tolerate the bullshit. We call it barbarity.
> period. you > treated ladies with respect. kept your hands to yourself unless you > wanted to have your eyes beat shut. and you spoke with respect in > public. the days when men were men are about gone. now its call the > cops, smoke crack, wear your pants down to your knees and your sister > can screw anybody and thats cool. bull! the way it is actually sucks. Wow, what a macho man you are. Some would say "Neanderthal".
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 30 May 2006 12:44 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 10:48am (CDT+1) From: rumwithorangejuice@webtv.net (Boogie On) Elmo i have been colder at heart concerning cody. but the casket bit was as low as cody can be. i never considered being friendly towards him. some folks would say he has that right. yea, i guess. but thats why i like the good ole boy approach. a length of good rope or a horse whip or good old fashioned tar and feathering. you see, we had less rapes, murders etc etc etc in the south . call it what you may, we just did not (and some of us are still around!) tolerate the bullshit. period. you treated ladies with respect. kept your hands to yourself unless you wanted to have your eyes beat shut. and you spoke with respect in public. the days when men were men are about gone. now its call the cops, smoke crack, wear your pants down to your knees and your sister can screw anybody and thats cool. bull! the way it is actually sucks. ///////////// I don't have a sister. :-) elmo
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Russ Tanner - 25 May 2006 06:58 GMT you know, I never hear anyone knocking people who are agnostic/athiest on this news group, ARE YOU LISTENING Waterspider????
Cody is nothing but a mean hearted person with no good will for anyone. Frankly WS, I was real surprised at your comments on how "enjoyable" you find his degrading, derogetory comments to people.
Shame on you....
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> > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Cody - 25 May 2006 11:28 GMT > you know, I never hear anyone knocking people who are agnostic/athiest on > this news group, ARE YOU LISTENING Waterspider???? > > Cody is nothing but a mean hearted person with no good will for anyone. False.
> Frankly WS, I was real surprised at your comments on how "enjoyable" you > find his degrading, derogetory comments to people. > > Shame on you.... *You* are lecturing WS on "degrading, derogetory [sic] comments"?
LOL! That's a good one, Russ.
Cody
Boogie On - 29 May 2006 15:50 GMT cody you even look like an idiot.
Cody - 29 May 2006 16:11 GMT > cody you even look like an idiot. So does this mean that you don't love me anymore now that you've seen what I look like? I think I'm gonna go and cry, sob.
Cody
Thomas Wagner - 24 May 2006 20:15 GMT >Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that >her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a >casket. I miss her too. Why do you insist on fanning the flames in this group? What you're claiming is NOT TRUE. HC stopped posting long AFTER the run-in with Cody, and long after she and Cody had actually kissed and made up. YOU were the one continuing to throw sh.t at Cody even when he congratulated HC on her son's homecoming, and she wrote:
>Subject: Re: From Hippiechik >Message-ID: <QI9je.2210$bD5.1347@fe07.lga> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that means a lot coming from you!! >hc I know you mean well, but your misguided anger is only contributing to the destruction of this group. HC did NOT leave because of something Cody said. WS did NOT leave because of something Cody said. It's the constant fights between you and Cody that are destructive, not Cody's posts by themselves. Get a grip.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 May 2006 00:53 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, May 24, 2006, 3:15pm (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a casket. I miss her too. Why do you insist on fanning the flames in this group? What you're claiming is NOT TRUE. HC stopped posting long AFTER the run-in with Cody, and long after she and Cody had actually kissed and made up. YOU were the one continuing to throw sh.t at Cody even when he congratulated HC on her son's homecoming, and she wrote: Subject: Re: From Hippiechik Message-ID: <QI9je.2210$bD5.1347@fe07.lga> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:55:00 -0500 Thanks Alias, that means a lot coming from you!! hc I know you mean well, but your misguided anger is only contributing to the destruction of this group. HC did NOT leave because of something Cody said. WS did NOT leave because of something Cody said. It's the constant fights between you and Cody that are destructive, not Cody's posts by themselves. Get a grip. Thomas ///////////// I'm NOT fanning the flames in this group, Thomas. Well....perhaps I am. Cody's posts have been disrespectful and downright insulting to more folk than just myself. Perhaps you should be telling Cody to 'get a grip' instead of me. elmo
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Thomas Wagner - 25 May 2006 05:02 GMT >I'm NOT fanning the flames in this group, Thomas. Well....perhaps I am. >Cody's posts have been disrespectful and downright insulting to more >folk than just myself. Perhaps you should be telling Cody to 'get a >grip' instead of me. Yes, Cody's posts have been condescending, disrespectful, and insulting. So? Is that a reason to constantly add to the nastiness by following him around and posting more insults? Flinging virtual turds may be funny once, but not 25 times.
I've been pretty open with Cody, I've criticized him when it was warranted, and I've been pretty harsh with him lately. I've called him (and I stand by that) a fundamentalist of a different color, and I've bashed him for being one of the causes for the deterioration of this group. But I have to repeat: he by no means is the only one to blame.
The whole HC affair was sometime in 2004. Thip's departure because of Cody caused a lot of other good folks to throw in the towel as well, but not because of Cody, but because of the completely irrational response to Cody's post. And you were in the front line there as well. Bearing grudges for months and years, and attacking Cody even while he was still relatively "tame", only contributed to a general nastiness in tone that other nasties latched on to and amplified. No wonder many valuable people who have a life and don't need this group left in disgust. I've been posting less and less myself. It's time things improve, and you're not helping. Stop your vendetta, you won't change Cody anyway, and nobody needs your help "defending" them against the big bad wolf. Only you can prevent newsgroup fires... ;-)
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 May 2006 13:41 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, May 25, 2006, 12:02am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) I'm NOT fanning the flames in this group, Thomas. Well....perhaps I am. Cody's posts have been disrespectful and downright insulting to more folk than just myself. Perhaps you should be telling Cody to 'get a grip' instead of me. Yes, Cody's posts have been condescending, disrespectful, and insulting. So? Is that a reason to constantly add to the nastiness by following him around and posting more insults? Flinging virtual turds may be funny once, but not 25 times. I've been pretty open with Cody, I've criticized him when it was warranted, and I've been pretty harsh with him lately. I've called him (and I stand by that) a fundamentalist of a different color, and I've bashed him for being one of the causes for the deterioration of this group. But I have to repeat: he by no means is the only one to blame. The whole HC affair was sometime in 2004. Thip's departure because of Cody caused a lot of other good folks to throw in the towel as well, but not because of Cody, but because of the completely irrational response to Cody's post. And you were in the front line there as well. Bearing grudges for months and years, and attacking Cody even while he was still relatively "tame", only contributed to a general nastiness in tone that other nasties latched on to and amplified. No wonder many valuable people who have a life and don't need this group left in disgust. I've been posting less and less myself. It's time things improve, and you're not helping. Stop your vendetta, you won't change Cody anyway, and nobody needs your help "defending" them against the big bad wolf. Only you can prevent newsgroup fires... ;-) Thomas
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Cactus Jammies - 25 May 2006 14:31 GMT hoot hoot toot toot <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote elmo turdless in Missouri --------------------------------------------- Did you bottle them for barbeque sauce base? Better get buddy to pop out a few.
I had better go run and change my fake e-mail address so I can sneak under alias's pit bull defense.
Now I am going to immigrate back to Canada, this perpetual war thing you yank expatriates and texan turd throwers are love-hating is starting to bug me. Next thing you'll do is try and tap my toilet bowl without a warrant or an Executive Order. (ahem)
Getting tough on terrorists
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dt12 - 26 May 2006 02:03 GMT Cmon Buddy, you can throw me a turd or waft a virtual fart my way... I enjoy it. Besides you make Cody bearable . People think they like him a 'little...sometimes' because you make him bearable. Besides you're needed here. Doug
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Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, May 25, 2006, 12:02am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) I'm NOT fanning the flames in this group, Thomas. Well....perhaps I am. Cody's posts have been disrespectful and downright insulting to more folk than just myself. Perhaps you should be telling Cody to 'get a grip' instead of me. Yes, Cody's posts have been condescending, disrespectful, and insulting. So? Is that a reason to constantly add to the nastiness by following him around and posting more insults? Flinging virtual turds may be funny once, but not 25 times. I've been pretty open with Cody, I've criticized him when it was warranted, and I've been pretty harsh with him lately. I've called him (and I stand by that) a fundamentalist of a different color, and I've bashed him for being one of the causes for the deterioration of this group. But I have to repeat: he by no means is the only one to blame. The whole HC affair was sometime in 2004. Thip's departure because of Cody caused a lot of other good folks to throw in the towel as well, but not because of Cody, but because of the completely irrational response to Cody's post. And you were in the front line there as well. Bearing grudges for months and years, and attacking Cody even while he was still relatively "tame", only contributed to a general nastiness in tone that other nasties latched on to and amplified. No wonder many valuable people who have a life and don't need this group left in disgust. I've been posting less and less myself. It's time things improve, and you're not helping. Stop your vendetta, you won't change Cody anyway, and nobody needs your help "defending" them against the big bad wolf. Only you can prevent newsgroup fires... ;-) Thomas
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Bob - 26 May 2006 02:17 GMT WHAT??
WHAT??
Coming from someone who usually posts intelligent comments I must say this is complete bullshit.
Cody is an obsessive compulsive twit, nothing more. He has never, to my memory, contributed anything related to HCV, only irrelevant nonsense in an effort to insult and provoke. Surely you see this through this twit, as he is paper thin.
To accuse Elmo of fanning the flames here while defending this twit is ridiculous.
I can only assume you must be suffering from a hemorrhoid flare-up or other condition that has temporarily impaired your judgment. My condolences.
Elmo has nothing to apologize for.
-- Bob
>>Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that >>her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thomas Thomas Wagner - 26 May 2006 06:14 GMT >To accuse Elmo of fanning the flames here while defending this twit is >ridiculous. Oh, f.ck off. Things aren't that stupidly simple. I'm not defending Cody in any way, shape, or form. But when Elmo is making sh.t up to discredit Cody, that's not right, either.
As I've said over and over again, if nobody would react to Cody, there would be no Cody problem. But since nobody wants to killfile Elmo, and Elmo constantly spars with Cody, we end up with constant disruption and inanely idiotic endless exchanges of invectives and insults. And Elmo isn't the only culprit, Russ and others are perpetuating the idiocy.
Is that supposed to be supportive? Or funny? I only find it sad. And I'm obviously not the only one. But most of the others that also found those exchanges disgusting have already left. But I guess that's OK with you.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 May 2006 13:26 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 1:14am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) To accuse Elmo of fanning the flames here while defending this twit is ridiculous. Oh, f.ck off. Things aren't that stupidly simple. I'm not defending Cody in any way, shape, or form. But when Elmo is making sh.t up to discredit Cody, that's not right, either. As I've said over and over again, if nobody would react to Cody, there would be no Cody problem. But since nobody wants to killfile Elmo, and Elmo constantly spars with Cody, we end up with constant disruption and inanely idiotic endless exchanges of invectives and insults. And Elmo isn't the only culprit, Russ and others are perpetuating the idiocy. Is that supposed to be supportive? Or funny? I only find it sad. And I'm obviously not the only one. But most of the others that also found those exchanges disgusting have already left. But I guess that's OK with you. Thomas
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Thomas Wagner - 26 May 2006 16:52 GMT >I never made up anything I said about Cody in order to discredit him. >Honestly, I don't remember HC forgiving the a.shole (obviously, she >did). I've never had a vendetta for Cody, merely responded to each of >his latest round of insults. Sorry I've been such a disruptive >character. ahahahahahaha!!! This is all so screwed up... I know you mean well for the group, but what you're actually accomplishing is just the opposite of what you intend. I'm sorry for singling you out, but that HC story was just so completely wrong, and incited such outrage at least with Sara (and probably other lurkers), that I had to correct you.
I'll try again to get my point across... what exactly do you think you'll accomplish by responding to Cody's posts? You know him and his history long enough that you should also know that he will never go away, especially not when he's under attack. So what, other than cheap gratification of your personal anger, do you gain with your responses? And at what cost to this group?
And that's a comment not only to you, but to everyone else who thinks they can shout Cody down until he leaves. He won't, and to a degree I actually have to admire him for standing his ground. The way he's doing that sucks IMAO, but that's the way he is. Shouting at him only reinforces that behavior.
So again, please ask yourselves who gains and who loses when you attack Cody. This group doesn't gain, it loses. Support loses. But Cody seems to enjoy himself. Hmmm...
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 May 2006 20:08 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 11:52am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) I never made up anything I said about Cody in order to discredit him. Honestly, I don't remember HC forgiving the a.shole (obviously, she did). I've never had a vendetta for Cody, merely responded to each of his latest round of insults. Sorry I've been such a disruptive character. ahahahahahaha!!! This is all so screwed up... I know you mean well for the group, but what you're actually accomplishing is just the opposite of what you intend. I'm sorry for singling you out, but that HC story was just so completely wrong, and incited such outrage at least with Sara (and probably other lurkers), that I had to correct you. I'll try again to get my point across... what exactly do you think you'll accomplish by responding to Cody's posts? You know him and his history long enough that you should also know that he will never go away, especially not when he's under attack. So what, other than cheap gratification of your personal anger, do you gain with your responses? And at what cost to this group? And that's a comment not only to you, but to everyone else who thinks they can shout Cody down until he leaves. He won't, and to a degree I actually have to admire him for standing his ground. The way he's doing that sucks IMAO, but that's the way he is. Shouting at him only reinforces that behavior. So again, please ask yourselves who gains and who loses when you attack Cody. This group doesn't gain, it loses. Support loses. But Cody seems to enjoy himself. Hmmm... Thomas ///////////// Yes, I do have the group's welfare in mind. What do I get out of throwing turds at Cody? Just like you said....cheap personal gratification. :-) Believe it or not, I actually agree with what you're saying. Thanks for getting my attention, Thomas. I'll put Cody back in his trashcan and ignore him. elmo
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Cody - 26 May 2006 20:43 GMT > I'll put Cody > back in his trashcan and ignore him. > elmo There you go again.
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 May 2006 01:51 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 9:43pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: I'll put Cody back in his trashcan and ignore him. elmo There you go again. Cody /////////// It seemed so 'natural'. :-) elmo
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Cody - 27 May 2006 02:09 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It seemed so 'natural'. :-) > elmo I think the idiom you're looking for is "knee-jerk reaction".
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 May 2006 02:25 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 27, 2006, 3:09am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 9:43pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: I'll put Cody back in his trashcan and ignore him. elmo There you go again. Cody /////////// It seemed so 'natural'. :-) elmo I think the idiom you're looking for is "knee-jerk reaction". Cody /////////// Naw, Cody...I'm sorry. The idiom I was looking for was 'response to a j.rk off'. And sorry, Thomas....the son-of-a-bitch won't let me get the last word. :-) elmo
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Cody - 27 May 2006 11:42 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Naw, Cody...I'm sorry. The idiom I was looking for was 'response to a > j.rk off'. That's not an idiom. That's another of your infantile insults.
And sorry, Thomas....the son-of-a-bitch won't let me get the
> last word. :-) > elmo Yet another insult and a childish ego based one oneupmanship. How mature.
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 May 2006 12:59 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 27, 2006, 12:42pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 27, 2006, 3:09am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 9:43pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: I'll put Cody back in his trashcan and ignore him. elmo There you go again. Cody /////////// It seemed so 'natural'. :-) elmo I think the idiom you're looking for is "knee-jerk reaction". Cody /////////// Naw, Cody...I'm sorry. The idiom I was looking for was 'response to a j.rk off'. That's not an idiom. That's another of your infantile insults. And sorry, Thomas....the son-of-a-bitch won't let me get the last word. :-) elmo Yet another insult and a childish ego based one oneupmanship. How mature. Cody /////////
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Cody - 26 May 2006 11:06 GMT > WHAT?? > > WHAT?? > > Coming from someone who usually posts intelligent comments I must say this > is complete bullshit. Charming.
> Cody is an obsessive compulsive twit, nothing more. How cute and *supportive*.
> He has never, to my > memory, contributed anything related to HCV, only irrelevant nonsense in an > effort to insult and provoke. You read my every post? What's there to contribute? There's no new cure and, sorry, "you can do it" and "you go girl" can be posted by a monkey. If I try to encourage someone new who is scared shitless by this virus, Elmo always butts in, insults me, and changes the thread.
> Surely you see this through this twit, as he > is paper thin. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
> To accuse Elmo of fanning the flames here while defending this twit is > ridiculous. I am not a twit and Elmo has been provoking anyone he doesn't care for ever since he came to this board.
> I can only assume you must be suffering from a hemorrhoid flare-up or other > condition that has temporarily impaired your judgment. My condolences. My, an insult. How *supportive*.
> Elmo has nothing to apologize for. > > -- > Bob He sure does and so do you.
Cody
>>> Yep, hc got her SVR and hasn't been heard from since Cody told her that >>> her soldier son would be coming home from Iraq for Christmas in a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Thomas elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 May 2006 13:39 GMT If I try to encourage someone new who is scared shitless by this virus, Elmo always butts in, insults me, and changes the thread. Cody /////////// ahahahahahahaha!! Is this for real, or are you joking? My memory has gotten terrible lately. elmo
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Paul - 26 May 2006 17:48 GMT On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:06:07 +0200, Cody <not@aol.es>, in message ID <kqAdg.25998$un5.25389@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>> Surely you see this through this twit, as he >> is paper thin. > >Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hahahahaha. That one was a classic Cody.
Cody - 26 May 2006 17:59 GMT > On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:06:07 +0200, Cody <not@aol.es>, in message ID > <kqAdg.25998$un5.25389@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Hahahahaha. > That one was a classic Cody. Just trying to cheer things up ...
Cody
dt12 - 26 May 2006 18:05 GMT Did someone say Niagara Falls?......Slowly I turned.......... Doug
>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:06:07 +0200, Cody <not@aol.es>, in message ID >> <kqAdg.25998$un5.25389@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cody Paul - 26 May 2006 18:18 GMT On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:05:00 -0400, "dt12" <dt12@adelphia.net>, in message ID <MYadnUwI47ahqOrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
>Did someone say Niagara Falls?......Slowly I turned.......... >Doug I must be a bit slow today. I don't get it. Can you explain what you mean please?
Cody - 26 May 2006 19:01 GMT > On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:05:00 -0400, "dt12" <dt12@adelphia.net>, in > message ID <MYadnUwI47ahqOrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't get it. > Can you explain what you mean please? That'll be the day.
Cody
dt12 - 27 May 2006 03:20 GMT > On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:05:00 -0400, "dt12" <dt12@adelphia.net>, in > message ID <MYadnUwI47ahqOrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't get it. > Can you explain what you mean please? "Niagara Falls! Slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch, I walked up to him. I smashed him like this, I hit him, I bopped him, I tore him to pieces, and I knocked him down!" - Moe and Larry (GENTS WITHOUT CENTS, 1944)
The Three Stooges! It just reminds me what I feel like doing to Cody sometimes. He is just such a pathetic little plebe but has figured out how to push everybody's buttons. By the way what ever happened to that picture of him on the family web page?
I had this big huge pile of dog crap in my back yard by the bird bath. It was really enormous and my wife ran it over with the lawnmower I could just see Cody everywhere and I could smell him too! ehehehehehahahahah! Doug
Paul - 27 May 2006 20:25 GMT On Fri, 26 May 2006 22:20:58 -0400, "dt12" <dt12@adelphia.net>, in message ID <V-KdnUgRVJkXKurZRVn-iw@adelphia.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:
> "Niagara Falls! Slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch, I walked up to >him. I smashed him like this, I hit him, I bopped him, I tore him to pieces, >and I knocked him down!" >- Moe and Larry (GENTS WITHOUT CENTS, 1944) No wonder you lost me. I'd not heard that quote before.
Cactus Jammies - 26 May 2006 19:44 GMT ya right, i believe you
cj ////////////////////////////////////
>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:06:07 +0200, Cody <not@aol.es>, in message ID >> <kqAdg.25998$un5.25389@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cody Burke Gilman - 26 May 2006 21:49 GMT So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from United States?
BG in Seattle
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 May 2006 01:57 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 1:49pm (CDT-2) From: burkegilman@moxmail.net (Burke Gilman) So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from United States? BG in Seattle /////////// I think it depends on who is answering the question, Burke. But if I"m not mistaken, Spidey offered to give him an answer privately, via email. Why, you thinking about becoming Canadian too? You might want to start working on your accent. elmo
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Burke Gilman - 29 May 2006 00:05 GMT > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Elmo,
In regard to your query on whether or not the topic of immigrating to Canada is of interest to me because I want to become Canadian myself, the answer is no. I just find the issue interesting as a part of comparative socioeconomic issues.
That said, I will admit that the prospect of living in a free country does appeal to me, and the idea of day moving to Canada does cross my mind from time to time. But I am a U.S. Citizen and somewhat ensconced where I am now, so for practical convenience, I will almost certainly continue to live in the United States.
- BG in Seattle
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 01:48 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, May 28, 2006, 4:05pm (CDT-2) From: burkegilman@moxmail.net (Burke Gilman) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, May 26, 2006, 1:49pm (CDT-2) From: burkegilman@moxmail.net (Burke Gilman) So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from United States? BG in Seattle /////////// I think it depends on who is answering the question, Burke. But if I"m not mistaken, Spidey offered to give him an answer privately, via email. Why, you thinking about becoming Canadian too? You might want to start working on your accent. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Elmo, In regard to your query on whether or not the topic of immigrating to Canada is of interest to me because I want to become Canadian myself, the answer is no. I just find the issue interesting as a part of comparative socioeconomic issues. That said, I will admit that the prospect of living in a free country does appeal to me, and the idea of day moving to Canada does cross my mind from time to time. But I am a U.S. Citizen and somewhat ensconced where I am now, so for practical convenience, I will almost certainly continue to live in the United States. - BG in Seattle //////////// Yes, I've dabbled with the occasional thought of emmigrating to a foreign country myself. However, I am firmly ensconced where I'm at and it would take alot to get me ensconced somewhere else. But if I were to become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a matter of relative expediency). elmo
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Cody - 29 May 2006 01:57 GMT But if I were to
> become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have > palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a > matter of > relative expediency). > elmo Say what you want to say about campo turds, but you just described where I live to a tee.
Cody
dt12 - 29 May 2006 02:41 GMT > But if I were to >> become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cody Not really. Doug
Cody - 29 May 2006 10:26 GMT >> But if I were to >>> become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Not really. Doug Fact: we have palm trees.
Fact: we have sandy beaches
Fact: we have an economy that puts the USA to shame.
So, you were saying?
Cody
dt12 - 30 May 2006 01:38 GMT The difference is Cody....you. Now peace and bombastic budhistic hums and doggie bums codster. Doug
>>> But if I were to >>>> become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Cody elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 13:06 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:57am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: But if I were to become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a matter of relative expediency). elmo Say what you want to say about campo turds, but you just described where I live to a tee. Cody ////////// Maybe I could move in next door. :-) elmo
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Cody - 29 May 2006 13:27 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Maybe I could move in next door. :-) > elmo In person, we would probably get along.
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 14:21 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:27pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:57am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: But if I were to become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a matter of relative expediency). elmo Say what you want to say about campo turds, but you just described where I live to a tee. Cody ////////// Maybe I could move in next door. :-) elmo In person, we would probably get along. Cody ///////// We probably would. But we'd have to quit communicating on-line. You wouldn't want to come out of your house and find piles of dog turds on your front porch. :-) elmo
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Cody - 29 May 2006 14:37 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > your front porch. :-) > elmo That would be a pretty good trick, being as I don't have a porch and live on the seventh floor :-)
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 29 May 2006 15:00 GMT Well Elmo, you being an old arm-lob artillery guy, you almost got it made. You have the elevation and the range, all you need now is the windage, and those poop parcels will be landing in his geraniums on the window ledge. (kaaaaa plop) try to spare the ganja plants.
heh heh
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>> ///////// >> We probably would. But we'd have to quit communicating on-line. You [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cody elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 15:41 GMT ahahahahahahaha!!! Yeah, I've always had a pretty good arm. elmo geraniums are pooop magnets ///////////// Well Elmo, you being an old arm-lob artillery guy, you almost got it made. You have the elevation and the range, all you need now is the windage, and those poop parcels will be landing in his geraniums on the window ledge. (kaaaaa plop) try to spare the ganja plants. heh heh cactus jammies-------------------------------- (what is it about geraniums?) "Cody" <not@aol.es> wrote ///////// We probably would. But we'd have to quit communicating on-line. You wouldn't want to come out of your house and find piles of dog turds on your front porch. :-) elmo That would be a pretty good trick, being as I don't have a porch and live on the seventh floor :-) Cody
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 15:02 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 3:37pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:27pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:57am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: But if I were to become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a matter of relative expediency). elmo Say what you want to say about campo turds, but you just described where I live to a tee. Cody ////////// Maybe I could move in next door. :-) elmo In person, we would probably get along. Cody ///////// We probably would. But we'd have to quit communicating on-line. You wouldn't want to come out of your house and find piles of dog turds on your front porch. :-) elmo That would be a pretty good trick, being as I don't have a porch and live on the seventh floor :-) Cody //////////// Guess I'd have to put em in a sling-shot and fire em onto your balcony then. :-) elmo sun dried dog turds
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Cody - 29 May 2006 15:16 GMT > > Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > elmo > sun dried dog turds I'll make you a deal. You leave the dog turds at home and I'll turn you on to some primo hash.
Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 29 May 2006 15:38 GMT Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 4:16pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 3:37pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:27pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, May 29, 2006, 2:57am (CDT+7) From: not@aol.es (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: But if I were to become ensconced elsewhere, the place I'd ensconce would have to have palm trees, sandy beaches and favorable socioeconomic conditions (as a matter of relative expediency). elmo Say what you want to say about campo turds, but you just described where I live to a tee. Cody ////////// Maybe I could move in next door. :-) elmo In person, we would probably get along. Cody ///////// We probably would. But we'd have to quit communicating on-line. You wouldn't want to come out of your house and find piles of dog turds on your front porch. :-) elmo That would be a pretty good trick, being as I don't have a porch and live on the seventh floor :-) Cody //////////// Guess I'd have to put em in a sling-shot and fire em onto your balcony then. :-) elmo sun dried dog turds I'll make you a deal. You leave the dog turds at home and I'll turn you on to some primo hash. Cody ///////// You've got a deal! Decades ago, I had some Nepalese finger hash that looked an awful lot like sun dried doggie turds, but tasted better in the pipe. elmo
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greyhackles - 29 May 2006 21:48 GMT >Re: Immigrate to Canada with Hep C? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the pipe. >elmo Can't ya just feel the love? ;-)
/greyhackles (it's a wonderful thing! :-)
tim - 27 May 2006 04:20 GMT > So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be > presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from > United States? > > BG in Seattle Dunno. I wrote to Waterspider. If she can dig up something useful, I'll post it. I understand Canadian spiders can be resourceful. I've continued to search the Internet and haven't found anything definitive.
I'm thinking I should ask the question again with the subject line, "Elmo and Cody fight it out", and see if we get multiple posts from Canadian immigration lawyers. It's worth a shot.
tim
Cody - 27 May 2006 11:45 GMT >> So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be >> presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > post it. I understand Canadian spiders can be resourceful. I've > continued to search the Internet and haven't found anything definitive. Did you try?:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canadian+immigration+lawyers&btnG=Google+Search
> I'm thinking I should ask the question again with the subject line, > "Elmo and Cody fight it out", and see if we get multiple posts from > Canadian immigration lawyers. It's worth a shot. > > tim No, you'll just get Elmo and Cody fighting it out again :-)
Cody
tim - 29 May 2006 05:15 GMT >>> So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be >>> presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cody Thanks for the link. These guys all want to charge me money! :-o
tim
Cody - 29 May 2006 10:28 GMT >>>> So now, what's the skinny on Canadian bureacratic hurdles that may be >>>> presented to the person who has hep-c and who wants to emigrate from [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > tim Of course, lawyers don't do anything for free. What did you expect, charity?
Cody
Cactus Jammies - 29 May 2006 20:49 GMT "tim" <tim@tim.com> wrote >
> Thanks for the link. These guys all want to charge me money! :-o > > tim /////////////////////////////////////////
Here's and ecerpt from an Editorial in the Vancouver Sun from Friday. Although the preliminary part does not supply working criteria for immigrants with infectious deseases in general, scroll down about half way to find an interpretation of the selection of immigrants (not refugee or family class). I have no idea if this is defiinitive or not, but it seems the editors of the paper may have sources that would be officially quotable.
cactus jammies ---------------------------------------
Immigrants with HIV shouldn't be thrown to the wolves Vancouver Sun Published: Friday, May 26, 2006 Over the past 20 years, Canada has done a lot to arrest the HIV/AIDS epidemic. But according to a recent study led by former Immigration Canada official Douglas MacPherson, we're missing a golden opportunity to prevent and treat HIV infection among new arrivals.
The study published in Emerging Infectious Diseases, the journal of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, assessed the number of children with HIV who entered Canada as refugees or under family class immigration applications between 2002 and 2005.
MacPherson and his colleagues found that 36 immigrant children (33 of whom were eligible to come to Canada) during that time were infected with HIV. That translates to 14 child HIV cases per 100,000 immigrants, compared with the Canadian rate of child HIV infection of only 0.02 per 100,000.
The reasons for the high rate of immigrant child infection is clear enough: Since many refugees come from countries with high rates of HIV, it's inevitable that they will experience higher rates of infection than the Canadian population as a whole.
However, that doesn't, and shouldn't, mean that HIV-positive refugees are inadmissable to Canada. While the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations do allow the government to declare inadmissable immigrants whose medical conditions might cause excessive demand on health services, those provisions don't apply to refugees or to people entering Canada under family class applications.
The exemptions for refugees and family applicants are, of course, a product of our belief that the benefits of keeping families together and providing protection to refugees outweigh the burden ill immigrants might place on the health-care system.
But according to MacPherson's study, immigrants' needs and the needs of the health-care system need not be at odds with each other. Indeed, by providing appropriate medical care to recent refugees and immigrants, we can prevent some HIV infections, thereby saving the system significant amounts of money and saving the immigrants a lot more hardship.
MacPherson notes that pregnant, HIV-positive women, in particular, could benefit from early medical intervention. Strategies to prevent mother-to-child HIV transmission -- including risk behaviour counselling and the provision of antiviral treatments -- already exist in Canada, but many recent immigrant women are not accessing them.
There are no doubt many reasons for this, including a lack of culturally and linguistically accessible health- care programs, and the women's lack of knowledge of the system. But since all adult immigrants are now required to take an HIV antibody test, they do have some contact with the system, and so it's incumbent upon us to guide them toward care if they have specific needs.
After all, there's little point in testing people if we're just going to throw them to the wolves after they receive their test results. As a matter of compassion, and out of concern for the future of our health-care system, it's time to ensure the system works as well for immigrants and refugees as it does for every other Canadian.
© The Vancouver Sun 2006
dt12 - 26 May 2006 18:01 GMT Did someone say Niagara Falls?........slowly I turned........ Doug
>> WHAT?? >> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>> >>> Thomas Cactus Jammies - 26 May 2006 19:46 GMT doug, you posted this quote from an abbott and costello skit three times. whaaaaa t?
cactus jammies ///////////////////////////////
> Did someone say Niagara Falls?........slowly I turned........ Doug step by step, inch by inch....
dortski - 27 May 2006 19:47 GMT > doug, you posted this quote from an abbott and costello skit three times. > whaaaaa t? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > step by step, inch by inch.... I may be wrong here, but I think everytime one of the stooges heard Niagra Falls it would trigger a fight....or something....it's making me nutso because I remember it, but not all of it....lol! dort
tim - 29 May 2006 05:08 GMT >>doug, you posted this quote from an abbott and costello skit three times. >>whaaaaa t? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > because I remember it, but not all of it....lol! > dort If you go over the falls in a barrel, does your body wash up in USA or CDA? And did you emigrate or immigrate?
tim
Bob - 27 May 2006 13:08 GMT >"For all you Right Wing Christian a.sholes..." Chawming...chawming...chawming...blah...blah...blah
As Dez said about you long ago:
"let me see if i have this right... if Cody insults others it's based on his self confessed intellectual superiority. if others insult Cody, they're
a. uninformed b. unintelligent c. tasteless d. tactless e. degenerate f. all of the above"
Some things never change.
-- Bob
>> WHAT?? >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Cody Cody - 27 May 2006 13:56 GMT >> "For all you Right Wing Christian a.sholes..." > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Some things never change. Can you cite one insult I have hurled? If so, in comparison to your, Elmo, Geb, et al insults, I think you will find that my insults are minimal in comparison.
> -- > Bob If you don't like my posts, you have two choices:
1. Use self control and don't read them.
2. If you lack self control, kill file me.
Cody
P.S. Did you watch the flash video or are you too close minded to do that?
>>> WHAT?? >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Cody Cody - 27 May 2006 13:58 GMT >> "For all you Right Wing Christian a.sholes..." > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > e. degenerate > f. all of the above" Actually, I have never used any of those words. Try "infantile" and "childish".
> Some things never change. Yeah, like your lies above.
Cody
Arclight - 27 May 2006 14:28 GMT Cody, you are more than a curious fellow. Why are you so angry? You seem to put alot of importance on being honest and up front.
You obviously care about this place and most of the people here...Why the angry posts and replies?
I know some here have no use for religion or spirituality what-so-ever..But you seem to have a vendetta against those who do.
Or.................
Is this just a usenet alter-ego that you have fun with? Are you yanking our chains with your online-persona of an intolerable Anti-Christian, Anti-America rants?
The internet is a fickled medium to be sure. Especially when we can "pretend" to be anything we want without fear of real-life repercusssions.
I have the feeling that if we were to sit in the same room you might sing a different song.
Arclight - 27 May 2006 14:31 GMT Dang, still shows as Arclight...of course I'm that Pious Christian that you all love to hate.........PaulG.
Cody - 27 May 2006 15:09 GMT > Dang, still shows as Arclight...of course I'm that Pious Christian that > you all love to hate.........PaulG. Playing the victim, eh? Is that really you or your on line persona?
Cody
dt12 - 27 May 2006 18:14 GMT Arclight Paul G I thought you dropped in a few days ago to look down on everybody! Don't go spouting off like you represent Christians again, you weenie. Fartlight and Codster take your crap offline. Doug
> Dang, still shows as Arclight...of course I'm that Pious Christian that > you all love to hate.........PaulG. Cody - 27 May 2006 15:08 GMT > Cody, you are more than a curious fellow. Why are you so angry? I'm not angry.
> You seem to put alot of importance on being honest and up front. Don't you?
> You obviously care about this place and most of the people here...Why > the angry posts and replies? Again, I'm not angry. That's your interpretation.
> I know some here have no use for religion or spirituality > what-so-ever..But you seem to have a vendetta against > those who do. I think that misleading religions and philosophies are the reason for the poor state of affairs in the world today. This is not a vendetta but my concern for the planet I live on.
> Or................. > > Is this just a usenet alter-ego that you have fun with? Are you yanking > our chains with your online-persona of an intolerable Anti-Christian, > Anti-America > rants? No, my name is Cody and I have no Usenet or on line persona.
> The internet is a fickled medium to be sure. Especially when we can > "pretend" to be anything we want without fear of real-life > repercusssions. > > I have the feeling that if we were to sit in the same room you might > sing a different song. Yeah, I might convince you to leave Christianity.
Cody
PaulG - 27 May 2006 16:48 GMT Thanks for your response Cody. I appreciate the answers bereft of confrontation.
I think that if we were to sit in the same room, I might convince you that I'm not a self-righteous pious pain-in-the-butt you make me out to be. And that not "all" Christians are alike.
But I have no fear of you re-converting me so to speak. Obviously this forum wouldn't appreciate me telling you why I have no fear of that. But anyway........
Take it for what its worth, I do "hope" the best for you and your family. And no, I didn't just say that because its the "christian" thing to say.
Take Care.
PaulG.
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 May 2006 14:52 GMT I've been really tempted to jump back in the fray, for reasons of cheap personal gratification of course, but have instead shoved a sock in my mouth and tied my arms behind my back. If it gets REALLY bad, I may have to hide the keyboard. :-) elmo
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Cactus Jammies - 27 May 2006 15:54 GMT actually I believe that emigrate means leave some where (ie: USA) and immigrate means arrive some where. (CDA) so if your not arrived your still some where anyway. oto as a cndn native son, Neil Young still sings: Every body knows this is no where.
cj
> I've been really tempted to jump back in the fray, for reasons of cheap > personal gratification of course, but have instead shoved a sock in my > mouth and tied my arms behind my back. If it gets REALLY bad, I may > have to hide the keyboard. :-) > elmo elmoemerson@webtv.net - 28 May 2006 01:27 GMT Yes, that's true. If you adopt me, can I be a Canadian too? I don't want to stop anywheres short of full citizenship. elmo ///////// actually I believe that emigrate means leave some where (ie: USA) and immigrate means arrive some where. (CDA) so if your not arrived your still some where anyway. oto as a cndn native son, Neil Young still sings: Every body knows this is no where. cj <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:26667-4478599E-56@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net... I've been really tempted to jump back in the fray, for reasons of cheap personal gratification of course, but have instead shoved a sock in my mouth and tied my arms behind my back. If it gets REALLY bad, I may have to hide the keyboard. :-) elmo
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mags - 22 May 2006 12:42 GMT Health and Welfare Dr.s are the ones who make the decision if you are medically inadmissible. One can have serious illnesses and still pass meds. A simple email to them would give you your answer.
Mags
> I haven't been here in a long time. I read and occasionally posted to > ash.c awhile back, but when it became clear that I'm not sick (yes, I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > tim tim - 24 May 2006 04:26 GMT > Health and Welfare Dr.s are the ones who make the decision if you are > medically inadmissible. One can have serious illnesses and still pass [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >>I haven't been here in a long time. I read and occasionally posted to [most of tim's long post deleted]
>>tim Thanks, Mags. I failed to find an email address. Any ideas?
tim
Thomas Wagner - 22 May 2006 14:41 GMT >But that's not the reason for this post. This is. My wife and I are >thinking about applying to immigrate to Canada. We are both US citizens, >I was born in the US, she was born in Japan. We both have lots of >education and work experience and I have relatives in BC. From what I >can tell, the only potential hurdle is my HCV positive status. [...] Hmmm... are you sure that you even have to disclose your HCV status? The medical tests done for my immigration into the US never checked HCV, only HIV, Tuberculosis, Syphilis, and other easily communicable diseases. But once you start asking, the bureaucrats might get bad ideas. This might be a case of a legitimate don't ask, don't tell policy.
Thomas
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tim - 24 May 2006 04:35 GMT >>But that's not the reason for this post. This is. My wife and I are >>thinking about applying to immigrate to Canada. We are both US citizens, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thomas That's my guess. But I'd hate to waste the application fees ($550 each) for my wife and me, just to be turned down. Not to mention all the time and emotional investment. Thanks.
tim
Waterspider - 24 May 2006 04:48 GMT Hi Tim,
Send me email directly at waterspider at sunshine dot net. I don't know if I can help, but I can try.
WS
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