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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / May 2006Just to make things clear
Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts about religion, war, etc. etc. Wrong. I actually enjoy Cody's take on things, and I admire the way he persists in stating his piece in spite of the abuse he gets from so many of you here. I agree with most of what Cody says, but I rarely sided with him because his blunt criticisms seems to upset a lot of you. Your attacks on Cody have a lot to do with why I gave up ash-c. The guy is being honest, he's stating his position and it's just not right (and certainly not Christian) to demean him because of it. For all the sh.t we've been through together, I guess I expected more of the old group. There's a double standard here now. It's okay to God-bless and You're-in-my-prayers and It's-in-God's-hands, but it's not okay to state one's belief that such faith is false, shallow and might just not be healthy. It's stigma, and I thought that all of us, having experienced at one level or another the stigma attached to hepatitis c, would have been above such hypocracy and, well... meanness. Ash-c was my lifeline to sanity a few years ago. It got me through treatment, without it I would have given up. I once compared it to sharing a trench with a soldier in the midst of a war (when, never having been in such a situation, I had no right to do so), and I still feel that way. Some of you are very special to me and will be forever. I'm still in touch with Geb and Elmo, my best buds from ash-c, and I still miss Dez. I still have postcards on my wall from a number of older posters, and I fondly recall evenings at the Friday Night Shooter's Club. Too bad we never made the t-shirts. Too bad the chemistry changed. Hep c almost destroyed my life, but I wouldn't change a thing because of those couple of years with this group. Guess I have to face up to the fact that you can never go back. I was very lucky to find ash-c when I did, and that there was a very special group of people here when I did. However, I'll never be a Christian, and the group now has a Christian overtone. C'est la vie, rock on. Good luck to you all in your battle with the dragon. Waterspider > Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I > read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you here. > Waterspider They are taking my bad karma away so it doesn't bother me. Anyone reading this group can see it for what it is. Cody > Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I > read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Waterspider Just for the record, I with ya. Thanks. Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 9:20am (CDT+1) From: lonepawn@mail.com (Stretch) Waterspider wrote: Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts about religion, war, etc. etc. Wrong. I actually enjoy Cody's take on things, and I admire the way he persists in stating his piece in spite of the abuse he gets from so many of you here. I agree with most of what Cody says, but I rarely sided with him because his blunt criticisms seems to upset a lot of you. Your attacks on Cody have a lot to do with why I gave up ash-c. The guy is being honest, he's stating his position and it's just not right (and certainly not Christian) to demean him because of it. For all the sh.t we've been through together, I guess I expected more of the old group. There's a double standard here now. It's okay to God-bless and You're-in-my-prayers and It's-in-God's-hands, but it's not okay to state one's belief that such faith is false, shallow and might just not be healthy. It's stigma, and I thought that all of us, having experienced at one level or another the stigma attached to hepatitis c, would have been above such hypocracy and, well... meanness. Ash-c was my lifeline to sanity a few years ago. It got me through treatment, without it I would have given up. I once compared it to sharing a trench with a soldier in the midst of a war (when, never having been in such a situation, I had no right to do so), and I still feel that way. Some of you are very special to me and will be forever. I'm still in touch with Geb and Elmo, my best buds from ash-c, and I still miss Dez. I still have postcards on my wall from a number of older posters, and I fondly recall evenings at the Friday Night Shooter's Club. Too bad we never made the t-shirts. Too bad the chemistry changed. Hep c almost destroyed my life, but I wouldn't change a thing because of those couple of years with this group. Guess I have to face up to the fact that you can never go back. I was very lucky to find ash-c when I did, and that there was a very special group of people here when I did. However, I'll never be a Christian, and the group now has a Christian overtone. C'est la vie, rock on. Good luck to you all in your battle with the dragon. Waterspider Just for the record, I with ya. Thanks. ////////////// I don't quite see it that way, good buddy. :-) I don't think this group has a 'Christian overtone'. Aside from a couple of religious zealots that occasionally post in here, most of us 'people of faith' keep our opinions to ourselves. As far as Cody being attacked in here, he's deserved every turd that's been thrown his way. elmo for the record http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Re: Just to make things clear [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > elmo > for the record And you throw them in the name of God, right? Cody Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 4:27pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 9:20am (CDT+1) From: lonepawn@mail.com (Stretch) Waterspider wrote: Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts about religion, war, etc. etc. Wrong. I actually enjoy Cody's take on things, and I admire the way he persists in stating his piece in spite of the abuse he gets from so many of you here. I agree with most of what Cody says, but I rarely sided with him because his blunt criticisms seems to upset a lot of you. Your attacks on Cody have a lot to do with why I gave up ash-c. The guy is being honest, he's stating his position and it's just not right (and certainly not Christian) to demean him because of it. For all the sh.t we've been through together, I guess I expected more of the old group. There's a double standard here now. It's okay to God-bless and You're-in-my-prayers and It's-in-God's-hands, but it's not okay to state one's belief that such faith is false, shallow and might just not be healthy. It's stigma, and I thought that all of us, having experienced at one level or another the stigma attached to hepatitis c, would have been above such hypocracy and, well... meanness. Ash-c was my lifeline to sanity a few years ago. It got me through treatment, without it I would have given up. I once compared it to sharing a trench with a soldier in the midst of a war (when, never having been in such a situation, I had no right to do so), and I still feel that way. Some of you are very special to me and will be forever. I'm still in touch with Geb and Elmo, my best buds from ash-c, and I still miss Dez. I still have postcards on my wall from a number of older posters, and I fondly recall evenings at the Friday Night Shooter's Club. Too bad we never made the t-shirts. Too bad the chemistry changed. Hep c almost destroyed my life, but I wouldn't change a thing because of those couple of years with this group. Guess I have to face up to the fact that you can never go back. I was very lucky to find ash-c when I did, and that there was a very special group of people here when I did. However, I'll never be a Christian, and the group now has a Christian overtone. C'est la vie, rock on. Good luck to you all in your battle with the dragon. Waterspider Just for the record, I with ya. Thanks. ////////////// I don't quite see it that way, good buddy. :-) I don't think this group has a 'Christian overtone'. Aside from a couple of religious zealots that occasionally post in here, most of us 'people of faith' keep our opinions to ourselves. As far as Cody being attacked in here, he's deserved every turd that's been thrown his way. elmo for the record And you throw them in the name of God, right? Cody /////////// Yeah, right! ahahahahahah!!! They're 'holy' turds. God once spoke to Moses and told him, "Take thy holiest turds and fling them at thine enemys, in the name of God." elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Smiling Wickedly, elmoemerson@webtv.net answered: > > Re: Just to make things clear [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum TooT TooT!!!  Signature*..· ´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´-:¦:-((¸¸.·´(º·.¸(¨*·.¸ ¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.·°·. Michael .·°·-:¦:- Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 6:54pm (CDT-2) From: mlarends@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net (Michael Arends) Smiling Wickedly, elmoemerson@webtv.net answered: Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 4:27pm (CDT+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Just to make things clear Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 20, 2006, 9:20am (CDT+1) From: lonepawn@mail.com (Stretch) Waterspider wrote: Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts about religion, war, etc. etc. Wrong. I actually enjoy Cody's take on things, and I admire the way he persists in stating his piece in spite of the abuse he gets from so many of you here. I agree with most of what Cody says, but I rarely sided with him because his blunt criticisms seems to upset a lot of you. Your attacks on Cody have a lot to do with why I gave up ash-c. The guy is being honest, he's stating his position and it's just not right (and certainly not Christian) to demean him because of it. For all the sh.t we've been through together, I guess I expected more of the old group. There's a double standard here now. It's okay to God-bless and You're-in-my-prayers and It's-in-God's-hands, but it's not okay to state one's belief that such faith is false, shallow and might just not be healthy. It's stigma, and I thought that all of us, having experienced at one level or another the stigma attached to hepatitis c, would have been above such hypocracy and, well... meanness. Ash-c was my lifeline to sanity a few years ago. It got me through treatment, without it I would have given up. I once compared it to sharing a trench with a soldier in the midst of a war (when, never having been in such a situation, I had no right to do so), and I still feel that way. Some of you are very special to me and will be forever. I'm still in touch with Geb and Elmo, my best buds from ash-c, and I still miss Dez. I still have postcards on my wall from a number of older posters, and I fondly recall evenings at the Friday Night Shooter's Club. Too bad we never made the t-shirts. Too bad the chemistry changed. Hep c almost destroyed my life, but I wouldn't change a thing because of those couple of years with this group. Guess I have to face up to the fact that you can never go back. I was very lucky to find ash-c when I did, and that there was a very special group of people here when I did. However, I'll never be a Christian, and the group now has a Christian overtone. C'est la vie, rock on. Good luck to you all in your battle with the dragon. Waterspider Just for the record, I with ya. Thanks. ////////////// I don't quite see it that way, good buddy. :-) I don't think this group has a 'Christian overtone'. Aside from a couple of religious zealots that occasionally post in here, most of us 'people of faith' keep our opinions to ourselves. As far as Cody being attacked in here, he's deserved every turd that's been thrown his way. elmo for the record And you throw them in the name of God, right? Cody /////////// Yeah, right! ahahahahahah!!! They're 'holy' turds. God once spoke to Moses and told him, "Take thy holiest turds and fling them at thine enemys, in the name of God." elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum TooT TooT!!! -- *..· ´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´-:¦:-((¸¸.·´(º·.¸(¨*·.¸ ¸.·*¨) «.·°·. Michael .·°·-:¦:- ////////// Where do you think the expression 'holy sh.t' came from? Would you believe people actually followed Jesus around waiting for him to take a dump so that they could have some 'holy sh.t'? They kept the turds in special urns on the mantle over their fireplaces. When there were fires burning, it would heat the urn and the room would become quite pungently fragrant. It became customary for the head of the household to blow farts during this time. Unfortunately, with Jesus's passing, 'holy sh.t' became a thing of the past and burning of the turds are now just a thing of lore. I'm hard-pressed to find any mention of it in the Bible. Father Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I > read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Waterspider Sheesh WS....I've been missing you so much that I visit your Pender Harbor message boards. Also read some of your post archived on Google. You've written some very powerful, and wonderful stuff! Your wit, way with words and personality gave Ash-c a lot of flavor and kept it interesting. It's sad that freedom of speech is so upsetting to folks. I could never understand why people would read Cody's posts if they know it will upset them and then commence to argue with him over them. It never made sense to me when there are so many other posts to read and respond to. This is an open forum, if it's not related to hep-c, and you find the material offensive don't read it. It's that simple. Flame wars seem to attract a lot of folks, don't know why that is. My theory is it gives everyone a chance to vent. So be it. I wish it wasn't a reason not to stop by and banter with us now and then. You were a big part of that chemistry that made Ash-c a great place to visit. Everyone has a choice, and it's just sad that you chose to throw the baby out with the bath water because of a few negatives. I was hoping it was because you life has been busy with all sorts of great stuff and you would pop in and give us and update. Cody is very provocative and interesting. I've enjoyed a few conversations with him on here. Some of his views are different than mine but I see no reason to trash him for them. They are his, he can share them just as everyone else here can share their views. If you don't agree with them you don't have to converse with the persons post. Why is this such a bad thing? Anyway, it was nice to hear from you. And I just wanted to let you know for me personally you leaving left a big hole here. I miss you! dort >Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I >read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts >about religion, war, etc. etc. Looks like I wasn't clear in what I meant (am I ever?). The problem with Cody's posts isn't that they're wrong, it's that they're often off-topic and provocative, and that he is not willing to engage in any discussion about his position. The end result is that even people who agree with him on many issues (like me) end up aggravated, and that people who disagree have little other recourse than to throw invectives. Cody is a fundamentalist of another color. Throw one or two (pseudo) Christian fundamentalists into the mix, and things explode. Again, this does not in any way excuse the behavior of the people who came in here just to stir sh.t up for their particular religion (and that includes Paul G., who apparently took offense because he's a right-wing Christian a.shole who supports the war in Iraq), but it doesn't exactly help maintain group coherence, either. >There's a double standard here now. It's okay to God-bless and >You're-in-my-prayers and It's-in-God's-hands, but it's not okay to state >one's belief that such faith is false, shallow and might just not be >healthy. It's stigma, and I thought that all of us, having experienced at >one level or another the stigma attached to hepatitis c, would have been >above such hypocracy and, well... meanness. Yes, unfortunately there are one or two folks here who have to invoke their religion at each and every turn (and double- and triple-post to boot), but just as Cody should be allowed to post about his religion, so should everybody else. Since the posts are not proselytizing, and don't harm anyone, it would be just as hypocritical to ban every expression of their religion by Christians. As for belief not being healthy... Religious Activities Linked to Reduced Blood Pressure in Blacks [...] NEW YORK (Reuters Health) May 18 - Greater participation in religious and spiritual activities is tied to a significant reduction in systolic and diastolic blood pressure among African Americans, according to the findings from what the authors say is the largest all-African American study to look at this relationship. [...] http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/532632 >[...] I was very lucky to find ash-c when I did, and >that there was a very special group of people here when I did. However, I'll >never be a Christian, and the group now has a Christian overtone. C'est la >vie, rock on. I don't see that Christian overtone, and if you read all the posts in the thread you'll see that the number of non-Christians in this group is extraordinarily large compared to their representation in the general US population. Again, disallowing expressions of Christian faith, such as requests for or offers of prayer, is just as uncalled for as any attempts to silence Cody's (or your or my) expressions of disbelief. Thomas SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. >>Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I >>read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Thomas Thanks Thomas. Dwight > Thanks Thomas. > > Dwight Hey Dwight.....when is school out? Are you still considering tx? dort >>Thanks Thomas. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > dort I've got one week left, if I can just hold on. :) It's been a long year with possibly the worst group of students I've had since I started teaching. That should mean next year will be much better. As for tx, I think I'll be waiting for a while to see if something else comes along. I hadn't really noticed that much of a change in myself over the last two rounds, but my wife and family have noticed it. So, as long as my liver remains in about the same state as when dx back in 1992, I think I will hold off for a while. I will keep hoping for a magic bullet to come along. BTW, I was a non-responder on both of my previous rounds of tx. Infergen may be enough to bring about some type of response, but my body isn't as forgiving as it once was and I've already been told that even if I achieve an SVR, my liver is bad enough, and has been for so long, that it won't repair it's self. Thanks for asking Dort. Dwight Dwight, glad to hear your almost throught the school year. And about years, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUDE!! HAHA.. SignatureRuss http://www.tannersacre.com sourdo55 at yahoo.com > > >>Thanks Thomas. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Dwight > Dwight, glad to hear your almost throught the school year. And about years, > HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUDE!! HAHA.. I won't be 50 until Monday. Let's not rush it. Thanks for remembering Russ. Definitely ready for the end of this school year. Dwight right wing forward march! onward christian soldiers marching on to war........ was david a right or left winger after slaying (killing) Golieth? and new report! aids from old monkeys! see, someone was screwing monkies(apes)! ever look at some folks features? some favor gorillas.. some spider monkeys. some chimps. some orangatangs! (misspelled). notice i said nothing concerning color of said peoples! next.... hcv and bigfoot . or, my friend next door has a head shaped like an alien. (mexican) illegal alien..... not illegal immigrant! they should get that part right! Smiling Wickedly, Thomas Wagner answered: >> Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I >> read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Thomas I agree with YOU 100% Thomas. Signature*..· ´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´-:¦:-((¸¸.·´(º·.¸(¨*·.¸ ¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.·°·. Michael .·°·-:¦:- HCV topics? Randy As for belief not being healthy... Religious Activities Linked to Reduced Blood Pressure in Blacks [...] NEW YORK (Reuters Health) May 18 - Greater participation in religious and spiritual activities is tied to a significant reduction in systolic and diastolic blood pressure among African Americans, according to the findings from what the authors say is the largest all-African American study to look at this relationship. [...] Thomas SignatureThis should be quite comforting news for all the black Christian heppers in our group. :-) Praise the Lord, Spidey!! elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I >read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Waterspider Respectfully, I disagree with your diagnosis wrt this group having a notably Christian leaning, with whatever good or bad connotations that might entail. The occasional nitwit that rides through here using religion as a cudgel gets run off or bored fairly quickly, so I don't see this place as being particularly fertile ground for proselytizers of any stripe. On the other hand, I see no merit in sniping at an invocation of The Big Hairy Thunderer's name that many use during times of stress or relief from same. If someone says "Thank God I'm not having bad sides" why the heck can't folks just leave that dog to lay there quietly? As for Cody, he's no more or less tolerable than the average usenet poaster, complete with his good days and his self-loathing days, and frankly anyone that uses him for a target probably has much larger personal issues to attend to... Cheers - and be well, wherever you go next... /greyhackles Well said, Grey. Doug > On Fri, 19 May 2006 22:30:47 -0700, "Waterspider" > <waterspider@moonlight.net> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > /greyhackles huh????? SignatureRuss http://www.tannersacre.com sourdo55 at yahoo.com > Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I > read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Waterspider WS, cody just bears down too often about his stance on Christians. he made his point of view known many times. Enough. i allowed his flood of said topic to get under my skin. i destroyed myself in ash-c. i stop in some to read of any new news regarding hcv topics. but i just dont fit in here, i guess... Randy > Although I haven't posted in some time, I do occasionally lurk. From this, I > read a post that implied that I stopped posting because of Cody's posts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Waterspider Hear, Hear. SignatureLu Tze Whale Oil Beef Hooked. |
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