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Mark - 25 Mar 2006 18:21 GMT
I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
week tx but I have to have something to look forward to.
Is it safe to drink as soon as the 48 weeks is complete or should you
wait until the 6 month SVR confirmation?
Would drinking prior to the 6 month SVR increase the chance of
relapse? I not touching a drop during tx, just looking forward to it
afterwards.
Anyone have any links or info on this subject?
Mark
Cody - 25 Mar 2006 18:32 GMT
> I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
> week tx but I have to have something to look forward to.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anyone have any links or info on this subject?
> Mark

Um, you don't need to be afflicted with Hep C to get cirrhosis from
alcohol. It's a poison. Your body doesn't want you putting that sh.t in
it and there is no rationalization that isn't just that, a rationalization.

Not only that, alcohol makes people act like idiots.

Cody
flifla - 25 Mar 2006 18:43 GMT
If you wanna get high just smoke some herb. Alcohol is yucky. I do
understand what you are saying there Mark. I was a big partier and
getting drunk was a lot of fun for me before treatment.
Cody - 25 Mar 2006 18:47 GMT
> If you wanna get high just smoke some herb.

Excellent advice.

> Alcohol is yucky.

Snot is yucky. Alcohol is a poison.

> I do
> understand what you are saying there Mark. I was a big partier and
> getting drunk was a lot of fun for me before treatment.

If you want to see what others thought of you while you were having
"fun", go to a bar late on Saturday and observe.

Cody
Lu Tze - 25 Mar 2006 18:54 GMT
>> If you wanna get high just smoke some herb.
>
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>
> Cody
Wise words Cody.
But people will always find a way to rationalize their pursuit, as you
rightly say.

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Mark - 25 Mar 2006 19:43 GMT
Not interested in going to a bar and getting slammed. I am too afraid
of a DUI. I usually hang out at the house, cook on the grill,  just
chill out. Not a big partyer.
Mark

>> If you wanna get high just smoke some herb.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Cody
Russ - 26 Mar 2006 01:15 GMT
> If you want to see what others thought of you while you were having "fun",
> go to a bar late on Saturday and observe.

I remember like 25 years ago I had to quit drinking for 30 days. I was in
this outpatient rehab deal. One night I went to the bar and ordered orange
juice, all my buddies just stared at me like I was crazy. Later on in the
night, everyone was drunk and stupid, slobbering, spitting in my face while
they talked to me, I clearly remember thinking, "God I don't remember these
guys acting like this?"... It occurred to me that I was just like them.

Really was an eye opener.

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>> If you wanna get high just smoke some herb.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Cody
Dwight - 26 Mar 2006 06:20 GMT
>>If you want to see what others thought of you while you were having "fun",
>>go to a bar late on Saturday and observe.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Really was an eye opener.

I went to work aa a bartender in my favorite bar. Watched all my friends
get stupid every night, I was a little slow to catch on that the only
reason I had never noticed was because I had been on the other side of
the bar with them. Really cut back on my drinking and not long after
just quit altogether. I started noticing I had money in my pockets on
Monday morning and I felt a whole lot better. There are still a few
times I want a beer and a cigarette, but not very often. I don't
remember wanting to be drunk again. There have been a few times I would
have liked to have taken another toke or two, but that would be more for
medicinal purposes than for recreational. Oh well, now I have legal
drugs to mess me up and help me forget the pain.

Dwight
mags - 26 Mar 2006 14:03 GMT
I have been the designated driver since tx started.  Friday nights I
drive 4 others to poker.  Coming home is quite interesting listening to
them out shout over each other.

Mags
still miss my wine lol
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 Mar 2006 14:30 GMT

Re: Alcohol soon after tx?  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 25, 2006, 4:15pm (CST-2)
From: sourdo55 at yahoo.com (Russ)
If you want to see what others thought of you while you were having
"fun", go to a bar late on Saturday and observe.
I remember like 25 years ago I had to quit drinking for 30 days. I was
in this outpatient rehab deal. One night I went to the bar and ordered
orange juice, all my buddies just stared at me like I was crazy. Later
on in the night, everyone was drunk and stupid, slobbering, spitting in
my face while they talked to me, I clearly remember thinking, "God I
don't remember these guys acting like this?"... It occurred to me that I
was just like them.
Really was an eye opener.
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"Cody" <not@aol.org> wrote in message
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flifla wrote:
If you wanna get high just smoke some herb.
Excellent advice.
Alcohol is yucky.
Snot is yucky. Alcohol is a poison.
I do
understand what you are saying there Mark. I was a big partier and
getting drunk was a lot of fun for me before treatment.
If you want to see what others thought of you while you were having
"fun", go to a bar late on Saturday and observe.
Cody
/////////////
ahahahahahahah.  Reminds me of the time 4 of us did a couple of hits of
blotter acid and went to a fraternity party.  We were the 'freaks' in an
otherwise straight bunch of guys in the frat.  The frat had mixed some
fruit juice and Everclear in garbage cans to drink.  Talking about a
bunch of slobbering, fall down drunks!!  ahahahahahah  We couldn't
handle it anymore and went over to the frat annex to hide from everyone.
I distincly remember putting headphones on and listening to Led Zep
while I hallucinated my a.s off.  I found myself talking to a silver
mouse (good acid), was totally oblivious to some girls sitting on the
couch laughing at me.  Acid heads and drunks don't mix very well.  :-)
elmo  

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Mark - 25 Mar 2006 19:41 GMT
I had to reluctantly give that up in 2001 when I changed jobs to an
employer who does random drug testing. Alcohol is all I had to help me
chill. ( and maybe a few prescription zanax or percocets) but you
can't do that all the time.

>If you wanna get high just smoke some herb. Alcohol is yucky. I do
>understand what you are saying there Mark. I was a big partier and
>getting drunk was a lot of fun for me before treatment.
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2006 19:16 GMT

Re: Alcohol soon after tx?  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 25, 2006, 6:32pm (CST+7)
From: not@aol.org (Cody)
Mark wrote:
I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
week tx but I have to have something to look forward to. Is it safe to
drink as soon as the 48 weeks is complete or should you wait until the 6
month SVR confirmation?
Would drinking prior to the 6 month SVR increase the chance of relapse?
I not touching a drop during tx, just looking forward to it afterwards.
Anyone have any links or info on this subject? Mark
Um, you don't need to be afflicted with Hep C to get cirrhosis from
alcohol. It's a poison. Your body doesn't want you putting that sh.t in
it and there is no rationalization that isn't just that, a
rationalization.
Not only that, alcohol makes people act like idiots.
Cody  
//////////
Apparently, Cody, you in particular don't need alcohol to act like an
idiot.  ahahahahahahaha  You think that's much of a revelation that
alcohol can cause cirrhosis?  It's also no revelation that you're a
f.cking jerk-off.

Mark, I don't think it would hurt to have a couple of glasses of wine
when you finish tx.  But that's about all I would do til you get your
SVR.  I have seen a study that found that alcoholics who drank all the
way thru tx had no less of a chance at SVR than the non-drinkers,
therefore being an alcoholic should not preclude doctors from offering
them tx.  This was presented to the yearly national conference where
they discuss standards of tx, new developments and such.  I think you'll
be able to find this discussion if you do a google search for it.  Sorry
I don't have the link.  
elmo  

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Cody - 25 Mar 2006 20:37 GMT
> //////////
> Apparently, Cody, you in particular don't need alcohol to act like an
> idiot.  ahahahahahahaha  You think that's much of a revelation that
> alcohol can cause cirrhosis?  It's also no revelation that you're a
> f.cking jerk-off.

I love you too, Elmo.

Cody
brian - 25 Mar 2006 18:51 GMT
>I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
> week tx but I have to have something to look forward to.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anyone have any links or info on this subject?
> Mark

Mark,Do you have ANY liver damage from the HCV?Even without liver damage I
would think 6 months or even a year after SVR might be to soon to drink more
than very minimal amounts of alcohol.Doc's have different ideas about SVR
and how long you should wait before you are truly HCV free.And some Doc's
even think alcohol should be avoided for the rest of your life after SVR.It
is thought that alcohol accelerates the replication of HCV.
Good luck with your treatment and your side effects,if you have any.

Peace & SVR,
BrianD
mags - 25 Mar 2006 18:57 GMT
I am with you Mark glad you asked lol.  I am having a few glasses of
wine right after my treatment.  I asked the BCLD about drinking.  No
drinking during tx as it dehydrates you and the virus flourishes.  As
far as alcohol effecting your liver - some tolerate it and some don't.
I almost fell off the chair when he told me that I did not have any
damage from drinking (love my red wine) and he said I could drink in
moderation after.

Mags
wondering if a bottle is moderation
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2006 19:27 GMT

Re: Alcohol soon after tx?  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 25, 2006, 9:57am (CST-2)
From: Chillnil@rogers.com (mags)
I am with you Mark glad you asked lol. I am having a few glasses of wine
right after my treatment. I asked the BCLD about drinking. No drinking
during tx as it dehydrates you and the virus flourishes. As far as
alcohol effecting your liver - some tolerate it and some don't. I almost
fell off the chair when he told me that I did not have any damage from
drinking (love my red wine) and he said I could drink in moderation
after.
Mags
wondering if a bottle is moderation
////////
How big a bottle you talking about?
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mags - 25 Mar 2006 22:05 GMT
I usually have a couple glasses of wine every other night when not at
the gym.  On weekends could have 4 glasses.

Mags
Mark - 25 Mar 2006 19:37 GMT
My biopsy showed I was a grade 1 stage 1-2. I am pretty sure I got HCV
in 1979. I drank alcohol almost daily from the mid 70's until Oct 2005
when I found out I had hep C. I was drinking a 1/2 a bottle of red
wine every night during the week, 4 to 8 beers on Friday, 2-4 rum and
coke Sat and Sun. My ALT and AST elevated slightly for the first time
in 2004. So, here is my theory:
My HCV was inactive until 2004. Of course once it was active the
drinking accelerated it and I got up to VL of 9.5 million. Between
10/05 and 12/05 I quit drinking, ate a good diet, exercised and
started preparing for treatment. In December, Day 0 of treatment my VL
was 4.5 million. I think I did this all on my own. At week 12 into tx
my VL is 451.
Based on my biopsy results and my ALT, AST levels prior to 2004 I
don't think alcohol caused me any great harm if it weren't for the
HCV. Therefore, I would love to be able to drink again and I think it
would be safe for me as long as it doesn't cause an HCV relapse. I
know it sound silly, but I want to be able to drink again. I enjoy it.
I will most likely keep it to a minimum the rest of my life but it has
been part of me for the past 30+ years. I miss my red wine.
Mark

>I am with you Mark glad you asked lol.  I am having a few glasses of
>wine right after my treatment.  I asked the BCLD about drinking.  No
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Mags
>wondering if a bottle is moderation
Russ - 26 Mar 2006 01:18 GMT
I quit all drinking and drugs around 1989 and didn't touch anything for 5
years. Then started smoking some weed. Been a light drinker about 7 years
after quitting. I contribute this to my biopsy only stage 1, minimal
inflammation.

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> My biopsy showed I was a grade 1 stage 1-2. I am pretty sure I got HCV
> in 1979. I drank alcohol almost daily from the mid 70's until Oct 2005
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>>Mags
>>wondering if a bottle is moderation
JV - 26 Mar 2006 02:06 GMT
For those of you who still want to drink alcohol after Tx, or before
your SVR, your alcoholics or you wouldn't be having these thoughts of
rationalizing something that is very very bad for you. Get real... With
a compromised liver. You must have death wishes. Achieving Tx with a svr
were far too important to even care if I ever drank again. Get some help
for your selfs. After being slammed with interferon and riba do you
really think alcohol will help your body heal?
Juanita
Thip - 26 Mar 2006 02:56 GMT
> For those of you who still want to drink alcohol after Tx, or before
> your SVR, your alcoholics or you wouldn't be having these thoughts of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> really think alcohol will help your body heal?
> Juanita

Couldn't have said it better.  You fight to live and then do this to
yourself???  Duh!
Dwight - 26 Mar 2006 06:23 GMT
> I quit all drinking and drugs around 1989 and didn't touch anything for 5
> years. Then started smoking some weed. Been a light drinker about 7 years
> after quitting. I contribute this to my biopsy only stage 1, minimal
> inflammation.

I was the chugging champion at my bar and there was always someone
wanting to challenge, I never had to pay, but getting home was a
challenge a few times. Some things I don't regret, this was probably a
big cause of my cirrhosis.

Dwight
Paul - 26 Mar 2006 11:00 GMT
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:21:59 GMT, Mark <me@home.com>, in message ID
<ehua22dkkh18360la2uc1f5v1uo2jba70i@4ax.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
>week tx but I have to have something to look forward to.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Anyone have any links or info on this subject?
>Mark

I've no info or links.  I feel that as a bare minimum it would be wise
to ensure that you are clear of hep-c before you drink alcohol again.
You can't be sure of that until you have your test 6 months after tx.
Even then, depending on how damaged your liver was, it may take longer
than that for your liver to get better.  Drinking alcohol on a damaged
liver is not such a good idea IMO - even if the hep-c has gone.
Apart from that, I can't drink due to my alcoholism so I don't see why
you should have any fun either  :-)
Canadave - 27 Mar 2006 13:16 GMT
> Drinking alcohol on a damaged liver is not such a good idea IMO...

...and in the opinion of my BCLD as well.

Also, welcome Esther.  I agree with you too.

David
Stretch - 26 Mar 2006 18:07 GMT
> I know I am jumping the gun here a little since I am in week 14 of 48
> week tx but I have to have something to look forward to.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anyone have any links or info on this subject?
> Mark
If you're clean for a year you may learn that there is another way to
live your life. If you're on tx then you have enough problems ....
Esther Medina - 26 Mar 2006 21:00 GMT
Well, it seems to me that alcohol drinking and treatment for hep c are 2
different things though they are related only in that alcohol can damage the
hep C liver.

Alcohol is bad for the liver.

Most people can drink and do no harm because the liver is healthy and can
take a few drinks. (plus not everyone who drinks acts weird or "drunk")

If you are an alcoholic (not every hep C person is one.. duh) then don't
drink because odds are you WILL overdo it.

Now - treatment if it does kill the virus does not mean the liver is then
magically restored (assuming there is already liver damage which not all hep
C victims have)

Bottom line: If your liver is damaged (no matter from what) "do not drink
alcohol" whether you have the virus or not.

Esther (2X treatment failures and on liver transplant list)
kjoh - 26 Mar 2006 21:28 GMT
Hi Ester, are you new?  Welcome! I think you are probably right about
alcohol. Please post again, if you like.  Alcohol is an important topic of
discussion for heppers.

Disregard the stupid off-topic arguments in the other threads today.  It
happens.

Kathy
Paul - 27 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:00:35 -0800, "Esther Medina"
<maravill@cox.net>, in message ID <BpCVf.851$C85.843@dukeread10>, in
the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>Well, it seems to me that alcohol drinking and treatment for hep c are 2
>different things though they are related only in that alcohol can damage the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Esther (2X treatment failures and on liver transplant list)

Hello Esther.
Are you new around these parts as I don't recall seeing your name
before?
If so, then a warm welcome to you.
Steve - 28 Mar 2006 15:21 GMT
"You know there ain't no devil,
That's just god when he's drunk"
Tom Waits

Good Luck,
Steve
 
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