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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / March 2006Let's try something...
Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please bear with me. Ash-c is in a bit of trouble and a few (probably more) good people are not posting because of the crap that's been happening here lately and mostly all coming from Arclight, Ray and Whatsup Doc. It's been pointed out before that a newly diagnosed or treatment-crisis person coming here for much-needed help would be turned right off and never come back. It's not about religion because, even though some of us have wildly different views, we respect each other enough to accept the differences and not let it interfere with the genuine bond that we share. It's about three ignorant, hateful, relentlessly antagonistic trolls who showed up at about the same time and seem to have no interest in hepatitis c. I've plonked them, but I still see their venomous words when I read a post from someone who has replied to them. And, yeah, it's putting a negative vibe on the whole board and I often find myself logging off rather than enjoying my visits to ash-c and replying to posts that I otherwise would. It's not unlike going for a nice dinner at your favourite restaurant with close friends and having an uninvited, drunken boor who hasn't had a bath or clean clothes for a month sit at your table and demand all the attention. Kinda spoils the evening but, at least in the restaurant, the management would tactfully take care of the problem. There's no way we can control who comes to ash-c or what they post. There's no way we can make them stop coming to ash-c, and there's no way we can turn them into decent people. So (and here's where I'll probably be pissing you off), I propose that we *all* killfile them. If no one responds to their posts, no one else will inadvertently see their posts. They can post all the crap they want, but they will only be talking to themselves, and this will be evident to anyone new showing up here. Any comments? If that's too harsh, how about we try it for a month and see what happens? Hey, what have we got to lose? Waterspider Smiling Wickedly, Waterspider answered: > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider I second that Motion. Good Idea WS. Maybe I'll be checking in more often.  Signature*..· ´¨¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´-:¦:-((¸¸.·´(º·.¸(¨*·.¸ ¸.·*¨)¸.·º) «.·°·. Michael .·°·-:¦:- Count me in Spidey. I've wasted too many brain cells wondering why sick people would want to be so destructive. I've been meaning to figure out the newreader thingy in Outlook Express, or change to Google anyway. I've been using the talkaboutsupport.com forum because I like the format, but it doesn't seem to have a killfile option. So standby while I make the transistion and have me a plonkfest. Mute Mute Mute. Ha Ha Ha. kj I already plonked ray and doug, arclight is next when/if he posts again. you're right tho - the ugliness has really made this into a different place, and responding to trolling just keeps it going on and on and on. we're all guilty of biting at least once in this 'session' of trolling... and we all know better :) the less we give what they say any importance at all, the sooner they'll go find some other fish to bait. > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider I will do that too. I plonked Doug four or five times but he has more fake e-mail addies than Cody used to have. chester field ///////////////////////////////////////////////// >I already plonked ray and doug, arclight is next when/if he posts again. >you're right tho - the ugliness has really made this into a different [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> Waterspider > I will do that too. I plonked Doug four or five times but he has more fake > e-mail addies than Cody used to have. > > chester field > ///////////////////////////////////////////////// Heh. Use self control. Cody >>I already plonked ray and doug, arclight is next when/if he posts again. >>you're right tho - the ugliness has really made this into a different [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> >>>Waterspider > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider Hey Spidey, I don't see why anyone would get pissed at your suggestion. Then again I don't understand why those threads go on and on like they do. Maybe that's what helps those folks deal with what they are going through. It would be just as easy to ignore it and it will go away, and as my mom use to tell me, "Dorothy, if someone gets your goat, leave your goat home"....I never understood that when I was young, and I'm not sure I do now...lol, but anyway, I think this flame war will die out. Newbies will be able to figure out what threads are useful and what ones are just a lot of words. It does appear that we lost a couple of new folks, but then again they may be busy with other things. I do suspect that Openbookman may have split because his post turned into a pissing contest. He even said as much and asked for it to stop but it didn't. Hopefully he will be back. I know when I first found this group I didn't post much because I didn't think I had anything to contribute and most of the questions I had were answered by reading all the threads. I still don't think I have much to contribute, but I am getting comfortable posting and enjoying getting to know all of you better. This is such a good group and there are many who contribute very good information. I love Kathy's talent for research and Greyhackles gift for interpreting the info so that it's easier to understand. Mags is a hoot, even though she is going through hell. Elmo always provides comic relief but also is a wealth of information. Gordo is good about putting folks at ease and investigating research post. I mean there is more good here than bad, we just gotta focus more on the good and leave the bad alone. Anyway WS, if you piss anyone off it's their problem. Your heart is in the right place and if they don't see that then they are the ones missing out. Now that I am thinking about this, hope I don't piss anyone off either...lol! dort >Ash-c is in a bit of trouble and a few (probably more) good people are not >posting because of the crap that's been happening here lately and mostly all >coming from Arclight, Ray and Whatsup Doc. I think you made a mistake there - you probably meant Doug, not Whatsup Doc - he only made one or two posts that were out of line in the heat of the battle. Anyway... count me among those that weren't posting. Things really got very much out of hand, and I had to drop out so I wouldn't fan the flames even more. The trolls (I'm wondering if they're really separate persons and not one and the same, given the almost identical whining and self-righteous tone) want to provoke, and they certainly succeeded. But it takes two to tango, and way too many folks indulged those trolls for way too long. Nobody is going to convince anyone of anything when it comes to religion or politics on Usenet, and endless repetition of the exact same pseudo-arguments will turn off everybody, no matter who is repeating what. And that goes for everyone, not just the pseudo-Christian trolls. >[...] It's not about religion Well, it is and it isn't. It would also help a lot if the non- or different-believers wouldn't reflexively admonish each and every post that mentioned God. Yes, tensions were high, but telling OpenBookman to keep religion under wraps, just because he mentioned prayers and wished a God Bless... that's hardly on par with the fanatic posts of Ray and his ilk. Please, everyone, keep things in perspective. Mutual respect also means allowing others to express their religion if it does not put down anyone and obviously is meant well and not proselytizing. Wishing all a God Bless does not hurt me, and I'm an atheist. Praising someone I don't believe in doesn't hurt me as long as it doesn't put down my belief (or non-belief). Assuming that all Christians are out to get you because their Bible teaches certain things is paranoid and intolerant. Christians did bad things, and so did Atheists. Remember the Crusades and the Inquisition, but also remember Stalin and Mao. >because, even though some of us have wildly >different views, we respect each other enough to accept the differences and >not let it interfere with the genuine bond that we share. Yes, please, can we finally get back to something resembling the old madhouse? Ash-C has been going downhill for about two months now, with Alan's paranoid off-topic posts and the political and religious discussions (which I'm also guilty of having taken part in). This really has to stop, and this does mean self-discipline, not just kill-filing and then still responding if you see something provocative reflected in other posts. Please, please, please, let everybody's new-years resolution be to NOT RESPOND no matter how outrageous you think the post is. Assume that everyone else will see the trolls for what they are, and that it doesn't need you pointing out their idiocy. Thomas SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. I'm pissed off. ahahahahahahahah!!! By the way, who are Ray and Paul2? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum In the heat of the moment was correct, Thomas. And I will refrain from responding to offbeat posts. I am not a troll. I have been around for years. Anway, hcv related topics was why I came to ash-c along time ago and is why I am here today. Randy > In the heat of the moment was correct, Thomas. And I will refrain from > responding to offbeat posts. I am not a troll. I have been around for > years. Anway, hcv related topics was why I came to ash-c along time ago > and is why I am here today. Randy Hi Randy, Because you've made three posts in this thread, I'll respond to this one (the most recent) because it seems to be the friendliest :) I'll take your word that you're not a troll, and I apologize for lumping you in with Ray and Arclight. When I made that post, I had looked at all recent posts by everyone and your name was real high on the troll side and real low on the hcv interest side. So, perhaps I judged you too quickly and I hope you won't hold it against me. Peace? Okay, now let's kick some dragon butt! Waterspider I am for you and not against you. Peace, Randy What an "original" idea! To think that you're just now thinking about using the killfile!? I've been using it for some time, it's just that there are a couple of more people I need to add (like Waterspider, Gordo, kjoh, etc.). This is probably as good a time as any to finish my killfile list! Having someone not response to my posts with profanity, name calling, or some other perverted remarks sounds like a NG that I would want to keep coming back to! So killfile me all you want I'd rather you do that than post your obscenities or try to force some ridiculous idea down my throat (e.g. Jesus wasn't crucified, God doesn't exist, the media isn't liberal, homosexuality is good, evolution is fact but creationism is fiction, etc.). So anyway, I'm all for it and I'm not mad at all! Arclight, how 'bout you? > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider Ray: If you go back a few days worth of posts you'll see I actually suggested all the "offended" parties do this. I honestly can narrow it down to 3 or 4 people who have tried their best to mark us as trolls. By their very definition of the word they are hypocrites. But fair enough. I can remember when this all started. It was a harmless response to a harmless post. It's the control freaks on this board who feel it's their personal property that have totally made a mountain out of a mole hill. But it's what they want. They want to come across as the good guys who tolerate everyone and their beliefs. But in reality they have shown they are religious bigots. I have one thing Im regretful for. And that's my last few responses to Cody. He yanked my chain in about the only area it can still get yanked. I'm not proud of my out burst of anger, but then again that was his goal. Again, he was playing the troll and I fell for it. I have absolutey nothing to be ashamed of. I get called names by Elmo because he gave me a address where I might get help with my treatment costs. I changed my mind about doing treatment again because of how far gone I am. He calls me a name because of that. Like, how dare I not follow up on one of Elmo's magnanimus gestures. I really don't get it. There is a under lying spirit prevelant around here and it's perpetuated by a few. It's a spirit of total rejection of any way that they don't agree with. And they take vehement action against any offending party. Ray, I've read your posts and replies.......You have nothing to be ashamed of either. God Bless. Paul G. Thanks, but I'm no saint and they have made me lose my cool on more than one occasion too! I know that you have used restraint but that everyone has a limit (including Christians). So anyway, I agree with you that you have nothing to be ashamed of (there is no condemnation in Christ). Personally, I got to the point where I just didn't care what they called me, what they said about me, what they accused me of, or how vulgar and filthy their responses got. I only scan their posts but I won't waste my time reading complete stupidity or profanity. The NGs are just like Hollywood, they can take a good idea and then add gratuitous sex and violence to it until it's ruined. I think it's hilarious that it was your suggestion some time ago that was ignored but NOW they come up with it like it was THIER idea. It shows the type of "people" that we've had to deal with on a regular basis! And they call US trolls, go figure.... But Arclight, be of good cheer! I believe that the enemy has taken a black eye on this one and you and I are now free to offer some REAL answers where hepatitis, cirrhosis, and stress are concerned! I'm even thinking that God has caused this to happen so we'd have a chance to do something valuable here. I am excited and encouraged!!! God Bless and keep fighting the good fight bro' Ray > Ray: If you go back a few days worth of posts you'll see I actually > suggested all the "offended" parties do this. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Paul G. During treatment I got some good information re: f.cking, sh.tting, and of course farting (don't trust 'em!). I hope all the tizziness about PROFANITY doesn't prevent that sort of information from being shared. I guess the more sensitive can cover their eyes. I since I can't forget BLASPHEMY I think I'll start balancing things out by using the response I gave to cheerful mall workers when they grimaced and wished me a Merry! Christmas!: Hail Satan! Best wishes for everyone in the upcoming year. Ray: Oh man, yeah I'm far from what the World would call a saint. It's too bad people think that when we say we're Christian they think we mean we are better than them. Nothing could be further from the truth. I was and still am a sinner saved by Grace. It's nothing I've done..I owe it all to Him.... Spirituality should be something we can talk about openly without shame. No matter what you believe. Instead talking about everything but is the norm. I'm convinced we are a tri-part being..Spirit, Body, and Soul(mind)... You can treat the body with man's medicine and you can feed the mind with man's literature..But more often than not our spirits go under nourished... When we try to encourage others here with their battles....We are told this isn't the place for spirituality. And also accused of never offering anything worthwhile to the group. I don't understand that way of thinking. But to run away because some don't like the word God would be a wrong for all those who need spiritual encouragement. It's funny, I subscribe to other Newsgroups..arthritis one(I have spinal stenosis), and some other non-medical groups... People there refer to God and Jesus, and who ever they believe in without so much as a nasty reply... Topics like: Please pray for my husband he's really sick, come up all the time..No one over-reacts. Oh well... Keep on truckin Ray Paul G. Ray: Oh man, yeah I'm far from what the World would call a saint..... Yeah ray,paul2 archlight WE KNOW you are 3 osama like ASSHOES.go back into your caves and dig deeper. john >>Gordo wrote: >>During treatment I got some good information >>re: f.cking, sh.tting, and of course farting (don't trust 'em!). I hope all the tizziness about PROFANITY doesn't prevent that sort of >>information from being shared. I guess the >>more sensitive can cover their eyes. >>Gordo So bend over big fella, Koko the proctologist wants to have a look ;) (It's my mischief genes. Maternal, I think) Lest you all think I should Get a Life, I'm a domestic sort, heavy on kitchen activities, and this pesky machine is right here on the counter top. How can I not? Pumpkin pie today Love, Martha >>>Gordo wrote: >>>During treatment I got some good information >>re: f.cking, sh.tting, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Pumpkin pie today > Love, Martha I hear ya girl, about the being in close proximity to the computer and it's pull. This is my last day of vacation and I could be going to get my radiology cert. for N.M. but did I? No, I went to get a prescription filled and get cigarettes....forgot the stinking cigarettes! I don't know how I am going to handle going back to work, I got real use to sleeping when ever I wanted, staying in my jammies all day, walking around with serious bed head, it's been so nice! Well there domestic goddess....have fun! dortie In article <dd9c52cfc9500a635b19d365d8a3d81e@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, > >>Gordo wrote: > >>During treatment I got some good information >>re: f.cking, sh.tting, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So bend over big fella, Koko the proctologist wants to have a look ;) Oh wow, a female gorilla. From my perspective that's *very* *kinky*. Reminded me of a favorite movie, Murder by Death. Maggie Smith and David Niven are a couple and she says "What could somebody want with a dead body?" and he leans over and whispers in her ear. She wriggles in a very upperclass way and says (with a borderline tremor in her voice, becoming subtly but obviously aroused): "Oh, that's tacky! That's REALLY tacky!" It's a truly great moment in a truly great film. > Lest you all think I should Get a Life, I'm a domestic sort, heavy on > kitchen activities, and this pesky machine is right here on the counter > top. How can I not? We're installing a new kitchen. It's maddening. G >Gordo wrote: >Oh wow, a female gorilla. From my perspective >that's *very* *kinky*. Now what am I supposed to do with THAT? You got me. I'll have to get back to you on that one... Kinky the Koko Puff Re: Let's try something... Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2006, 9:16am (CST-2) From: emperorwoo@rogers.com (Arclight) Ray: If you go back a few days worth of posts you'll see I actually suggested all the "offended" parties do this. I honestly can narrow it down to 3 or 4 people who have tried their best to mark us as trolls. By their very definition of the word they are hypocrites. But fair enough. I can remember when this all started. It was a harmless response to a harmless post. It's the control freaks on this board who feel it's their personal property that have totally made a mountain out of a mole hill. But it's what they want. They want to come across as the good guys who tolerate everyone and their beliefs. But in reality they have shown they are religious bigots. I have one thing Im regretful for. And that's my last few responses to Cody. He yanked my chain in about the only area it can still get yanked. I'm not proud of my out burst of anger, but then again that was his goal. Again, he was playing the troll and I fell for it. I have absolutey nothing to be ashamed of. I get called names by Elmo because he gave me a address where I might get help with my treatment costs. I changed my mind about doing treatment again because of how far gone I am. He calls me a name because of that. Like, how dare I not follow up on one of Elmo's magnanimus gestures. I really don't get it. There is a under lying spirit prevelant around here and it's perpetuated by a few. It's a spirit of total rejection of any way that they don't agree with. And they take vehement action against any offending party. Ray, I've read your posts and replies.......You have nothing to be ashamed of either. God Bless. Paul G. ///////////////// Don't worry, Paul2. You won't be getting any more of my 'magnanimous gestures'. Nor will you be getting any more of my bandwidth. See ya in the next world, a.shole. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum the blame game huh? i only posted a few times. why not start out with something in the line of hep-c topics. Enough bashing period. you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. The way to do this is simply to stay on topic. I have been around for years. Actually since 1998. I came here for news and info pertaining to hcv. I would enjoy this still. (i am not a troll!) I have recently posted info about Sepet. The latest device in phase 1 clinical trials and also in some special phase 3 clinical trials. Which is seldom allowed by the FDA. I have noticed some posts recently concerning iron and hcv. Since I have battled hemachromatosis for years, this topic was most interesting also. An iron loaded body does not do well and can cause cancer of ones liver. Not to mention preventing hcv drugs from being as effective as they could be. Your turn WaterSpider. With the respect due you and everyone else, Randy Re: Let's try something... Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2006, 5:12pm (CST+1) From: coinsinwell1111@webtv.net (Whatsup Doc) the blame game huh? i only posted a few times. why not start out with something in the line of hep-c topics. Enough bashing period. you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. The way to do this is simply to stay on topic. I have been around for years. Actually since 1998. I came here for news and info pertaining to hcv. I would enjoy this still. (i am not a troll!) I have recently posted info about Sepet. The latest device in phase 1 clinical trials and also in some special phase 3 clinical trials. Which is seldom allowed by the FDA. I have noticed some posts recently concerning iron and hcv. Since I have battled hemachromatosis for years, this topic was most interesting also. An iron loaded body does not do well and can cause cancer of ones liver. Not to mention preventing hcv drugs from being as effective as they could be. Your turn WaterSpider. With the respect due you and everyone else, Randy /////////////// I still love you, man! I aint gonna 'PLONK' ya. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum You are a good person, Elmo. I respect you. Randy Re: Let's try something... Elmo Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Jan 5, 2006, 5:52pm (CST+1) From: coinsinwell1111@webtv.net (Whatsup Doc) You are a good person, Elmo. I respect you. Randy /////////// Thanks, Randy. You're aok also! elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum I've been reading a lot lately about how if you have liver problems you should stay away from iron supplements. Since my surgery, I have two areas in the incision that are 'slow' healing, and the doc suggested upping my protein intake to help the healing. So I bought some Boost supplemental drinks.... well, reading the label these little bottles of energy contain 25% of your DV (what's DV??) of Iron. Am I pushing my luck drinking one of these a day for a week or two? was thinking they'd be good during tx too, but now that I know they have the Iron in em, I'm having second thoughts.... lots to learn, it's mind boggling. Sara > the blame game huh? i only posted a few times. why not start out with > something in the line of hep-c topics. Enough bashing period. you are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > could be. Your turn WaterSpider. With the respect due you > and everyone else, Randy You're a class act Elmo.... Paul G. > I've been reading a lot lately about how if you have liver problems you > should stay away from iron supplements. Since my surgery, I have two [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sara Hey there Mz Sara, you might read kjoh's thread on 'other missing parts'....there may be something in there that will help you out. Hope the healing speeds up. How about extra crunchy peanut butter! dort Hi Sara. The iron thing is a tough one. I don't know very much about it. I decided to avoid supplements with iron until I know more. For extra nutrients I have added Slimfast alot to smoothies. I don't like the sugar, but it doesn't have iron in it. I just looked at the Centrum Silver label and saw the DV thing. I don't know what the hell that is. Guess I'll check it out. A tricky thing about supplements for me, and maybe others, is the iodine content. Because of thyroid problems. Iodine stimulates(?) the thyroid. So the supplements containing seaweedy stuff make me nervous too, because of iodine content. Plus Yuck! Slow healing. Bummer. Maybe move the bod around more to get the lymph circulating? Blah Blah, Kathy > I've been reading a lot lately about how if you have liver problems you > should stay away from iron supplements. Since my surgery, I have two [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sara Hey Sara....DV is the daily value....lol! I was stumped for a while....and then like duh! You're right, so much to learn it is mind boggling, so much so that even the simplest things can through you for a loop. dort >> I've been reading a lot lately about how if you have liver problems you >> should stay away from iron supplements. Since my surgery, I have two [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > dort I figured "daily" something... couldn't get Value. duh and I haven't started tx yet! someone take good care of my mind pls Hey I I googled MDR+DV+vitamin+.gov and came up with a couple random items. Just a variant on Minimum Daily Requirement: "Bear in mind that the MDR (minimum daily requirement), MDV (minimum daily value), DV (daily value), or whatever, is calculated to be the dose that keeps you from overtly DYING of a nutrient deficiency. And they seem to be trying to lower those doses all the time by using new letters on labels (it makes our commercial foods appear to have more in them on a percentage basis). "I believe that the state of optimal health is unattainable at doses approximating our MDRs. There are just too many stresses out there: bad food, bad soil, bad water, air pollution, hormones, bug sprays, weed killers, car exhaust, genetic manipulation, etc., etc., ad nauseum. " Also: http://www.emersonecologics.com/Measurements.asp Kathy > Hey Sara....DV is the daily value....lol! I was stumped for a while....and > then like duh! You're right, so much to learn it is mind boggling, so much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I figured "daily" something... couldn't get >Value. duh >and I haven't started tx yet! someone take good >care of my mind pls >> Hey Sara....DV is the daily value....lol! I was stumped for a >while....and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Hey I I googled MDR+DV+vitamin+.gov and came up with a couple random items. > Just a variant on Minimum Daily Requirement: [snipped] "DV" corresponds to the better known "RDA" (Recommended Dietary Allowance - aka Recommended Daily Allowance). DV and RDA are way higher up the yardstick than the Minimum Daily Requirement, which is, as you saw, just what's needed to keep you alive. Cheers /greyhackles Thank you Grey, for thinking for me. Now how to remember this...DV=recommended/MDR=minimum for survival... kj >>Grey wrote: "DV" corresponds to the better known "RDA" (Recommended Dietary Allowance - aka Recommended Daily Allowance). DV and RDA are way higher up the yardstick than the Minimum Daily Requirement, which is, as you saw, just what's needed to keep you alive. http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3372249 of interest? Good nite, Dort, bed time for me Doug >>From Doug: http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3372249 of interest? Ack. What to make of this. I don't want to give up my soy milk! What if I ahve a mutation in my "alpha-myosin heavy chain gene?" Waaagh. I found the technical abstract (below), which isn't very revealing. Like how many mice, and were the results statistically significant etc. I also found an intersting blog on the article. A sleuth, you say, Dort? Must have been all those Nancy Drew novels I read as a kid :) Kathy http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/ From Pubmed.gov : Soy diet worsens heart disease in mice. Stauffer BL, Konhilas JP, Luczak ED, Leinwand LA. J Clin Invest. 2006 Jan;116(1):209-16. We report that dietary modification from a soy-based diet to a casein-based diet radically improves disease indicators and cardiac function in a transgenic mouse model of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. On a soy diet, males with a mutation in the alpha-myosin heavy chain gene progress to dilation and heart failure. However, males fed a casein diet no longer deteriorate to severe, dilated cardiomyopathy. Remarkably, their LV size and contractile function are preserved. Further, this diet prevents a number of pathologic indicators in males, including fibrosis, induction of beta-myosin heavy chain, inactivation of glycogen synthase kinase 3beta (GSK3beta), and caspase-3 activation. Silk brand chocolate soya drink is better than the real thing. 8-) chocolate milk, that is. chester field (free endorsement) this stuff is safe for morning riba chaser! eat a hard boiled egg or some cheese to get the full value of your Ribavirin dosage! (no bananas are not essential) >>>From Doug: > http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3372249 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > of beta-myosin heavy chain, inactivation of glycogen synthase kinase 3beta > (GSK3beta), and caspase-3 activation. Hello Bud, long time no speaky. How the hell are ya? My OM horoscope today said I should do comething creative instead of twiddle the www all day. I'm working on my OE newsgroup thing so I can plonk this fuckwad. Cheerio kj >>The Main Dude wrote: Silk brand chocolate soya drink is better than the real thing. 8-) chocolate milk, that is. chester field (free endorsement) this stuff is safe for morning riba chaser! eat a hard boiled egg or some cheese to get the full value of your Ribavirin dosage! (no bananas are not essential) > Hello Bud, long time no speaky. How the hell are ya? My OM horoscope > today said I should do comething creative instead of twiddle the www all > day. I'm working on my OE newsgroup thing so I can plonk this fuckwad. Ooooooohhhhhhhh! Bad Dog! ahhhhhahhhhaaaaaa! Oops. Sorry folks. I get it. End of thread. Crunch crunch Koko > Oops. Sorry folks. I get it. > End of thread. > > Crunch crunch > Koko Crunch crunch Kujo eats human bones Crunch crunch......... goooood dog. Doug taint wirth it cj/cf > Hello Bud, long time no speaky. How the hell are ya? My OM horoscope > today said I should do comething creative instead of twiddle the www all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > boiled egg or some cheese to get the full value of your Ribavirin dosage! > (no bananas are not essential) >>>From Doug: > http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3372249 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > read as a kid :) > Kathy Yes Kathy, you never cease to amaze me with the information you find! How's it going today? dort > http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3372249 > > of interest? > > Good nite, Dort, bed time for me Doug Damn! I just got myself convinced that I was only having panic attacks and now this! Sheesh.....oh what a world! dort Enlighten us with some hcv topics, WaterSpider. Randy lately I just take what I want and leave the rest. when I see some long bullshit thread I move on. Just not interested in things not related to HCV and treatments. Except of course for Elmo's fart jokes, :) SignatureRuss http://www.tannersacre.com > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider Gee WS, chester done done me an upper cut in sauerkraut with amens of discord and irrelevancy. In response to his bleatings and gnashings, I will prowl the waters like a lamprey, I will light the candlefish with my thumbscrew, I will do everything I been couched for... The only true maniac I have personally met does not speak the truth, but paints it. Doreen Gris I call her. And with that I hope I have made the Fundies' K files. I have a photo of the banana bus, where all the bozos recreate. It stops outside the chURch right about now cactus jammies ........................... moving back into the bunker sea......................... > Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please > bear with me. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Waterspider I sure don't remember writing this. Pranksters abound. The style looks familiar. cactus jammies //////////////////////////////// > Gee WS, chester done done me an upper cut in sauerkraut with amens of > discord and irrelevancy. In response to his bleatings and gnashings, I [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> Waterspider And I was just about to commend you for your keen sense of humor, CJ. Yes, the style seems quite familiar. :-) elmo I think it's the Taliban trying to incite civil war. We must resist the temptation. ////////// I sure don't remember writing this. Pranksters abound. The style looks familiar. cactus jammies //////////////////////////////// "cactus jammies" <cactusjammies@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4ZVQf.17863$Cp4.14456@edtnps90... Gee WS, chester done done me an upper cut in sauerkraut with amens of discord and irrelevancy. In response to his bleatings and gnashings, I will prowl the waters like a lamprey, I will light the candlefish with my thumbscrew, I will do everything I been couched for... The only true maniac I have personally met does not speak the truth, but paints it. Doreen Gris I call her. And with that I hope I have made the Fundies' K files. I have a photo of the banana bus, where all the bozos recreate. It stops outside the chURch right about now cactus jammies .......................... moving back into the bunker sea......................... "Waterspider" <waterspider@moonlight.net> wrote in message news:11rmejfstenab4@corp.supernews.com... Okay, this is likely going to piss off a whole bunch of people, but please bear with me. Ash-c is in a bit of trouble and a few (probably more) good people are not posting because of the crap that's been happening here lately and mostly all coming from Arclight, Ray and Whatsup Doc. It's been pointed out before that a newly diagnosed or treatment-crisis person coming here for much-needed help would be turned right off and never come back. It's not about religion because, even though some of us have wildly different views, we respect each other enough to accept the differences and not let it interfere with the genuine bond that we share. It's about three ignorant, hateful, relentlessly antagonistic trolls who showed up at about the same time and seem to have no interest in hepatitis c. I've plonked them, but I still see their venomous words when I read a post from someone who has replied to them. And, yeah, it's putting a negative vibe on the whole board and I often find myself logging off rather than enjoying my visits to ash-c and replying to posts that I otherwise would. It's not unlike going for a nice dinner at your favourite restaurant with close friends and having an uninvited, drunken boor who hasn't had a bath or clean clothes for a month sit at your table and demand all the attention. Kinda spoils the evening but, at least in the restaurant, the management would tactfully take care of the problem. There's no way we can control who comes to ash-c or what they post. There's no way we can make them stop coming to ash-c, and there's no way we can turn them into decent people. So (and here's where I'll probably be pissing you off), I propose that we *all* killfile them. If no one responds to their posts, no one else will inadvertently see their posts. They can post all the crap they want, but they will only be talking to themselves, and this will be evident to anyone new showing up here. Any comments? If that's too harsh, how about we try it for a month and see what happens? Hey, what have we got to lose? Waterspider http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > I sure don't remember writing this. Pranksters abound. The style looks > familiar. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >> > >> Waterspider ooohh mysterious musings.......possible entertainment for today? mye it's snowing in the desert this morning grrr I'm so confused ....?!? kj holding the bunker door open >>cactus jammies ........................... moving back into the bunker Re: Let's try something...cut bate ws Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Mar 12, 2006, 11:47am (CST+1) From: kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com (kjoh) I'm so confused ....?!? kj holding the bunker door open cactus jammies .......................... moving back into the bunker ////////// obviously, CJ is talking about Osama. :-) elmo bunker buster http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum |
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