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Maitake_man - 26 Dec 2005 07:06 GMT
Hi, lurking here for well over a year. You are all very informative and
thanks for that. You also seem very close knit and friendly. I thought I
would post and (briefly) say Hi, and wish you all Happy Holiday's.
I was going to post before, wrote several long things, then deleted them.
I'm a family guy, living in Illinois.  I did some Army time in Germany in
early '70's. Wondered if there are any other Vet's here and if they are
getting their treatment from the V.A.? Long story short as you've heard it
already.
I was trying to sell plasma in 92 ( I spent a lot of time all over Hell and
on the road, up until then) and they told me Un-Uh. At that time I showed
anti's for both B & C. Since then I got married and we have a beautiful son
(8 y.o. and my pride and joy. Without getting long winded, it was one of
those true love things, where, after I tested pos. I felt dirty and didn't
think she would want to see me again. but she did. She also told me she
right off, no children. That she couldn't get pregnant. (You know that
tangled up in Blue song? Married when we first met...soon to be divorced?)
Beats me, but anyway i was worried sick. because of our age we had to go
through the ambio. Both the Ambio and ultrasound showed a most perfect
normal child. ( http://tinyurl.com/beznr ) neither her or him ever tested
pos. And since then, the B has disappeared. Kind of like OpenBookMan,
(though I suspect not as severe. OBM you have my regards, Sir.) I get a
steady diet of narc's, for spinal injury. But I keep pretty busy working in
the studio and making a home.
One of my reg. VA doc's retired, so some ten years after...I got a new one.
He seemed to be a lot stricter. (I'm starting to appreciate that now.) So,
all of a sudden he starts all these new programs for me, one of them is
addressing the hep. I'm kind of wondering why, but on the other hand, I want
to see my son grow up, and him and I just finished spending the week-end
with my two year old grandson (his nephew :- ) So..anyway..and man do I feel
like I'm butting in on you all...he sends me to the clinic a 100 miles away.
They do some draws in Sept. (up until then just draws at the local every six
mo's to monitor.) but this is for real (Sept.) the results came back Q
positive and geno 2. I think the v count was something like 1/2 mil. Then I
went back about a month later for work up. They told me the ultrasound of
Liver and Spleen looked good. (But to tell you what it looked like to me
when the tech had me sit up and I glanced at the screen (and wow, what
progress they have made since I saw the US of my son in womb) it looked like
Spunky's twin, from Elmo's family Album pages. (Thanks for those smiles in
some down moments) Really,  it looked like a big gaping hole in center of my
liver worse, but then what do I know, I'm just a lay guy=Wondering.
Then, thanks, mostly to you people here, about a month after that the
biopsy went real smooth. (thanks, because I knew what to expect.) They did
it and I slept (it was long drive there.) the complete time I was to lay
still. I had to stay over night, which was kind of cool, because I got
travel pay for it. What sucked was it was one of the first nights I ever had
to stay away from my son all night as I'm a sahd (and a pretty darn good
cook also!)
 I didn't have to do the MMPI as some authority people wanted to force me
into that a few years back but the admin shrink told them because I have a
mild to mod TBI then the (according to the dsm) couldn't apply. (maybe
helpful to someone somewhere)
But I'm pretty sure I can handle the up's and downs just being what I've
already been thru in life. And I'm ready to slay the Dragon. Or, hope to
make the attempt anyways. (quitting cigarettes is proving to be a bitch
though, I have the patches, but not the guts to put them on, I've been
smoking for 44 years now. Starting with Pall Mall shorts ripped from parents
trays.) And it ain't like life is a bowl of cherries now anyway.
Sorry, about getting long winded. (not as long as my other deleted knights
in white satin.) Just wanted to drop in and intro and thank you all and wish
you all best Holidays from me and from us. I have visited a lot of your
sites. the Canada scenes make me want to travel there. I've been feeling
both your joy (I think her name was Julie? that recently posted clear? And
sorrow (especially the loss of the pet) but those that are not responding
and how supportive the rest are. I do believe in Karma. Guess you could call
me an old Hippie. Or Rocker. (Oh yeah, thanks for that tip on the PBS
'Cream' tour. It was hot, and I think Ginger looked great. blind Faith was
one of my fav's anyway.)  So, I've finally got around to posting...if I push
send and it goes. I hope you don't mind. me posting and all. One thing will
be interesting, once I get the results of (a lot of prior hard drinking and
party the a.s off lifestyle that Timothy Leary might have enjoyed) I've been
on a very steady diet of Maitake as they grow here in the yard (we way out
in boonies) thus the handle. There is a picture on my blog of part of this
years haul. If anyone wants to try I'd be happy to make available for free
(if not this year then next) to anyone wanting them. Although I have several
lbs frozen up. I only just this year learned how to dry them, and have
several quarts dried. If anyone just wanted to try. We usually get around 50
to 100 lbs a year. http://tinyurl.com/chbot they are really not that common,
I just was blessed in building our place in a spot they grow. Anyway, not to
get all religious or anything, but it hit me, maybe if I reached the right
people that could use them, I could get them there. No strings. I have an
email and telephone, just will not post on Usenet. Thisisn't a pitch to sell
anything, I just remembered that yes, there was a reason I did want to post.
As for the Maitake, I usually add them to hot green tea or use in dishes as
I would any other shroom. Before I found out about their supposedly
medicinal properties and use in immunity system research they were just
another delicacy to me. Like morels, or oysters. But from what I've
researched the herb doc's recommend 6 grams a day so I've been doing at
least that. (beats the 12 pack a day I used to do) But I do know my shrooms,
lord knows I've picked enough off of cow patties in Texas, when I was
younger. The Hen's only grow on the bottom of the Black Oaks, and only in
certain geographical area's. Here, and in Asia. You can purchase them on the
net I guess. But I'm not out to sell, and never have bought any from the
net.OK, now that I've put you to sleep...Happy Holiday's. And if you want to
see what I do on the side (and it won't come in because Netscape sucks...
http://tinyurl.com/s1d9  then click on the link (page2.html) that leads to
our art pages. I'm the old fart in the rocking chair. I don't know how...but
if there is anyway, that I can help out here..I will try. And it isn't like
you haven't already  lead the way. That I really respect. peace and wishing
all of you the best.
den
(for real, 2005)
Steve - 26 Dec 2005 10:50 GMT
Den -

Thanks for sharing - Welcome to the NG. I haven't been here long and
until the last few days, not very active being on tx until 10 days ago
w/ all my uptime spent working.

Sounds like my story except for some of the details. No service, a
daughter from my phsyco ex, whom I will never forgive.
Happily married now for over ten years to my favorite bartender from
1979-1980 and we are still madly in love with each other. Sober for
12.5 years. I don't know Jack about shrooms except that they were slimy
and a good time in the 70's. Now they are just good food from the
grocery store. Here in Indiana people hunt Morel's (don't think i've
eaten one though I've been her since 1991. I only lurked for about a
week.
Clean since 1988, except for a little MJ which I started on my first
round of tx about 8 years ago. No spleen since 1988. Geno 1a, and F3
fibrosis.

Also ignorant about MMPI & TBI.

Stopped round 2 of tx 10 days ago (nonresponsive). starting to feel
pretty good with the Infergen & Ribaviran fading. Hell, just starting
to feel without the Celexa is a fantastic thing. I hate that poison -
makes me feel like the walking dead man who likes to sleep alot. But my
BCLD wouldn't start tx without it, funny he wouldn't prescribe it.

Anyway I plan to takes 6 or seven months and get prepared for round 3
of tx with a more informed and flexible approach, most likely with a
new BCLD. I also need to eliminate the smokes - I have found that the
lozenges help to cut down quite abit they give your mouth some to do
for about 45 minutes, kinda taste like smoke (which I honestly

I don't know what your biopsy results was but assume it is serious.

Having hvb antibodies with no hbv virus is a good thing (half assed
informed opinion) like a vaccination.

Consider a vaccination for Hep A? It is so easy to get and so
potentially serious for us HCV pos folks.

>From what I read G2 is pretty responsive to tx.
Sorry you have deal with the VA, from what I hear the hassle can be
very frustating - the American Liver Foundation can act as an advocte
for you in this regard, or so I have been told by some who have
acheived SVR dealing with the VA.

Tx sucks but my mom died of end stage Parkinsons, my dad of end stage
Alzheimers, very nasty. ESLD must also be very nasty. Three of the top
5 ways I never wan't to go, the other 2 being drunk or an active
addict. So I will keep my Kevorkian kit.

Go for the tx, plan your medication around your son's schedule. Take
naps while he's in school? Teach him to cook if you haven't already.
Share what your going through with him so he knows for certain that
your sides are not you withdrawing from him because you love him less.
Kids tend to assume its their fault. Prepare him and your wife ahead of
time if you can. Communicate as much as you can now and on tx. During
my tx I really didn't want to talk much to anyone. The last few days I
can't shut up.

Being off tx is good. Being off the antidepressant they made me take is
wonderful. I cry sometimes just having feelings. I hate antidepressants
but the first time on tx after about 30 weeks without it I did start
to wonder what it would feel like to just floor it & close my eyes on
I-65 on my way to work. Life was starting to get really good then too
so i can't say I was suicidal. Just wanted to feel something different.
So I started them at that point - hated them then -hate them now. Now I
seem to have this insomnia thing going on which is OK, I hope it
doesn't last too long tho.

The good news - yesterday was 12/25, my in-laws & daughter + boyfreind
were here (daughter age 24 self-absorbed, full of sh.t, habitually
tardy, can't figure out if she bi, gay or straight, came to see me
twice on tx, lived four blocks away for the a month & 1/2 of the first
12 weeks of 2nd tx which was pretty nasty). But hey - my daughter - I
love her and always will. 12/25 was a good day.

Made love to my wife for the first time in over a year - She had
serious gastro issues for several months which finally turned out to be
a gall bladder problem. Gall bladder gone, she's so much better, then I
start tx and sex wasn't even a fantasy. 12/25 was a really good day.

Back to you - Go for tx, slay the dragon if you can, prepare your
family, read the NG posts, post your questions, post your reactions and
problems with the tx - others need to hear about it and it will help
someone, even if it only helps one person, you've done a wonderful
thing. Hell just post something to stir the shitpot - it's kinda fun!

Wishing you, peace, love, and an SVR,
Steve
Maitake_man - 26 Dec 2005 12:46 GMT
Steve...thanks for the Welcome. If not for you I wouldn't know what BCLD is.
I plan on impressing mine next time I see them (Jan 17) That's when I'll
find out the results of the biopsy. I don't think it will be that serious. I
could be wrong, but I keep faith and will let you know. It sounds as if you
have a lot of good things going for you. You gave up the drink. You hooked
up with a psycho-therapist. And you have family. (hey, I can relate about
the Daughter part, mine is 22 and would have drove me nuts if I wasn't
already there long ago. here is a picture of us last night (Christmas Eve)
that is here Son in my arms, and my son next to him. She, Foxy Roxy is to my
right.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/billgarhead/damon1a.jpg
Everything changes, Steve. Usually for better.
About the shrooms..the maitake is an edible. You can find a lot about it on
the net. Here is a link to an article that says "you shouldn't eat them if
you've started interferon:"
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/maitake.php
but there are a million links to the Hen Of the Woods. I haven't started tx
yet. But have been eating these for at least since 1992. Unlike the morels
which we hunt a lot of they come out in the fall and late summer. And they
weigh from a pound to thirty pounds. I'm not into Holistic health or herbs.
I just found it coincidental that some of these fungi I was eating might be
good for something I probably picked up in Army (who knows, I've been
around) I haven't done the trippers for a long time though (maybe '85?) But
last time I talked to the BCLD at the V.A. Hospital and she was asking me
about drug usage. "Do you smoke pot?" and I answered: "you know that is
something I really miss, smoking pot." She matter of factly told me she
hears that more from Veteran's than any thing else." Of course we had to go
thru the whole battery of questions, she informed me that we can get hep
from snorting coke from a straw or rolled up bill." Jeesh..like we can't get
it from crud in jail cells, handcuffs, biting off each other ears or blah
blah blah?!? Some people lead very sheltered lives.
A TBI is a brain injury, mild to moderate and non organic, is a trauma
brain injury... like being whacked in the head to much, like a lot of
accidents, fights, billyclubs but not severe enough to affect actions as
much as one's
focus, so the MMPI wouldn't work if they were trying to dx for being
incapable. (Most of the establishment's  hoodoo is geared to that.)
Don't know about the Hep A vac. I always ask my kidlet's ped about it for
him, but they don't think it's ness. Myself, all those junkies in my
barracks room in the '70's got all jaundiced, hospitalized and all that, I
was the only one that didn't. I 'm not going to say that is where I picked
up hep because I don't know. heck there have been many wives and a hundreds
of lovers since then. I sold blood Coast to Coast up until 1992 when I went
to sell Plasma. At that time i was living in a trailer park that was under
boil orders for 4 years. people were dropping off around us like flies.
there were leaky underground storage tanks and rumors that the local arsenal
had used the place as a dump for toxic waste. The EPA ran tests on the place
and pumped diesel fuel out of the ground (on lady had to be moved because
they thought her home was going to blow up) that is how it all started.
Anyway right after they told me, one of my neighbors confided, (without
knowing of my newly discovered condition) and Dave was a really straight
family type guy. "You know, I've never done drugs or messed around but I
went in for a check-up and my Dr. told me I have hepatitis C." We lived
where the water line dead ended. (meaning there was no flush point, what
ever was in the lines came out through our faucets. I bought my place from a
man that had died in his fifties. So, point being, nobody knows. I've saved
all the documentation, and often wonder about that friend and next door
neighbor. But there isn't any proving anything. And from crawling around
under the trailer in raw sewage, I doubt if I will ever contract Hep A..
Funny as a Chef (many cooking jobs, full control, and owning my own business
once, cleanliness is the priority. people think I nag, but I consider it the
voice of experience. Yeah, I make my kid wash his hands, and I wash with
him. I have seen some pretty yellowed out people at the VA hospital, and
everytime I look in the mirror I find myself checking, but I don't think
I'll let it bother me. Not now anyway.I learned a long time ago not to tell
them you are depressed. There isn't any better way to really get depressed
than letting them think they are curing you from depression. That is
something we have do ourself's. sh.t their depression ends when they get
their paycheck. Joe, just keeps kicking himself. Everything you say and do
will be used against you. So work for yourself. Take control and live for
tomorrow. And every day there after. You will find someone that will live
longer for it if you do.
Hey, the VA isn't that bad. they tend to treat us older vets better than
the young guys for some reason. maybe because they interned with us. I just
hadn't seen anyone post here about the V.A. yet. Mostly we just hang out and
make fun of Bush.
Yeah, quitting smoking really sucks. But if you have stopped the drink, then
you are strong enough to go the whole route. You have support, in your
family and here. Now, insomnia? What is that? (-:
Hey, hang in there friend. and thanks.
Den.
> Den -
>
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> Wishing you, peace, love, and an SVR,
> Steve
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Dec 2005 13:51 GMT
Howdy, Shroom Man!  Welcome!!
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Maitake_man - 28 Dec 2005 09:19 GMT
Yes ! And Howdy back Elmo! Thanks for the Welcome. I do consider you the
web-master and on my cool people list. I guess lurking here so many times
your posts made me want to post. I've sent the link to your web sites to
several of my non hep friends and wrote it down for heppers I've met at the
hospital. Great work. Hey, I like to say this: Happy New Year!
den
> Howdy, Shroom Man!  Welcome!!
> elmo
>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 28 Dec 2005 13:27 GMT
Happy New Year to you too, Dennis.  Thanks for your kind words.  Glad
you and your friends enjoyed the hepfile.  It was put together by some
wacked out guy doing tx, so it's natural that it has a fractured tilt.
:-)  I used to pick mushrooms too, but only the psychedelic variety.
Would pick em by the shopping bag full and sell em to the tourists in
Hawail.  They were pretty potent when they were fresh and I'd 'get off'
on em just picking them, the dust would absorb thru the skin.  Glad you
came out of the closet.
:-)
elmo
/////////
Yes ! And Howdy back Elmo! Thanks for the Welcome. I do consider you the
web-master and on my cool people list. I guess lurking here so many
times your posts made me want to post. I've sent the link to your web
sites to several of my non hep friends and wrote it down for heppers
I've met at the hospital. Great work. Hey, I like to say this: Happy New
Year! den
<elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14596-43B146C4-735@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Howdy, Shroom Man! Welcome!!
elmo
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
mags - 26 Dec 2005 13:12 GMT
Welcome to our group Den.  Nice looking family you have there - I can
see why you are so proud of your son.  Luckily your G2 with a low viral
count.  Six months of treatment will fly by for you.  You might want to
quit smoking - I cannot imagine smoking on tx.  There is a support quit
smoking group where you can really get bitchy lol oh hell you can get
bitchy in here too.  All the best on the 17th with your biopsy results.


Mags
Maitake_man - 27 Dec 2005 05:05 GMT
> Welcome to our group Den.  Nice looking family you have there - I can
> see why you are so proud of your son.  Luckily your G2 with a low viral
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>
> Mags
Thanks Mags, I feel like I know most of you already. I appreciate the
'Welcome.' And thanks to all of b you. This group seems a bit different than
most Usenet groups. More focused but still down to earth. I can live with
that.
Smoking really sucks. I'll probably follow up on your tip to a support
group. It's pretty much a given when attempting to quit or going the patch
route (which I am if I get the guts and it will have to be soon as I would
like to start the patches before tx. if any.) One thing i have going is my
son keeps nagging me, and I keep promising him and telling him what a nasty
habit it is.) I've been through a lot of support groups, like AA and
Rational Recovery (which is the same program the VA employs) but those were
usually always court ordered. so it doesn't fit the same as if one is doing
it because they want to, I think. But, in just a 'deep thought's' kind of
thing I have to wonder the effects the chemicals involved in smoking has on
the liver. You here probably know much about that that. Smoking for 40 years
is a long time, but I was a UAW welder for Deere and Case for over ten
years. In that time I sucked up more smake than all the cigarettes ever.
Plus welding crap that was covered in grease, oil and other carcinogens. I'm
sure MOST OF US  have had to perform jobs that we were exposed to as in
covered, bathed, soaked from head to toe in some chemical or another JUST TO
BRING a paycheck home. (my biggie was Trichloroethylene, seemed so many
places that I worked used it and made us use it to clean parts and
everything visible, including ourselves.) And then you have the normal
exposure to pvc's, etc., on top of it. One farmer I used to work for (long
before Viet Nam made the term Agent Orange popular) used to give us kids
dioxin mixed with diesel fuel to paint trees thathe wanted killed as so he
could clear the land. Heck we used to wash up in the stuff and pour it in
the Streams just to see the rainbow effect. One of the guy's that I used to
work with died a few years back of cancer. It was right after i got my dx,
and it started out as a small sore on the back of his ear. It made me
remember painting the tree's with him. Forgive me for rambling here, but I
can't help but wonder, even though all this exposure to carcinogens can't
cause hep. couldn't it lower resistence of the Immune System? I know when
the Director (not my own personal Doctor) but the Director of the Liver
Clinic asked me if I knew how I contracted hep. C. I kind of had to cock my
head and think what an incredibly stupid question. I probably should have
told her "Joe gave it to me." (no offense to those named Joe.) Instead I
just said "No, how?" Well, Mags, I don't know what in the Hell any of this
has to do with someking or Hep, but most of it was typed while taliking with
my son about the monsters on his new carmen sandiego disc. And I got on step
closer to stopping smoking. thanks ( :
den
kjoh - 27 Dec 2005 21:53 GMT
Hi Mags and Maitake.  I haven't smoked tobacco since teenhood, so I don't
have much experience with how it affects the bod.  But I did a quick
search of some med lit at pubmed.gov (liver + nicotine) and saw enough to
learn that nicotine metabolism in the liver involves the P450 enzyme
pathway, which is a major drug metabolism pathway.  I think its the same
enzyme that gets gummed up when you drink grapefruit juice and messes up
other med metabolism.  So I'm tempted to speculate that nicotine might
interfere with the metabolism of your meds.  I'm also guessing that trying
to quit smoking while on tx would be horrible mentally and physically -
akin to withdrawing from antidepressants or prescription opioids while on
tx.  Just a thought. Not good news, but maybe it'll help somebody.

Kathy

>>Mags and Maitake wrote:

"mags" <Chillnil@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote in message
news:1135602721.699000.197130@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Welcome to our group
Den. Nice looking family you have there - I can > see why you are so proud
of your son. Luckily your G2 with a low viral > count. Six months of
treatment will fly by for you. You might want to > quit smoking - I cannot
imagine smoking on tx. There is a support quit > smoking group where you
can really get bitchy lol oh hell you can get > bitchy in here too. All
the best on the 17th with your biopsy results. > > > Mags

>>Thanks Mags, I feel like I know most of you already. I appreciate the
'Welcome.' And thanks >>to all of b you. This group seems a bit different
than most Usenet groups. More focused but still down to earth. I can live
with that. Smoking really sucks. I'll probably follow up on your tip to a
support group. It's pretty much a given when attempting to quit or going
the patch route (which I am if I get the guts and it will have to be soon
as I would like to start the patches before tx. if any.)
Sara - 27 Dec 2005 22:04 GMT
re: quitting smoking.. for what it's worth, I went to a hypnotist to quit
smoking, and it worked for me.  I was very surprised :)  but I was about a
pack and a half a day smoker (Kools) for almost 30 years.  Not even sure I
really wanted to quit, I went to the hypnotist, left there totally pissed
off, stayed pissed off for about 6 months, but never picked up another
cigarette.  That was 10 years ago this coming March.

Sara

> Hi Mags and Maitake.  I haven't smoked tobacco since teenhood, so I don't
> have much experience with how it affects the bod.  But I did a quick
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> the patch route (which I am if I get the guts and it will have to be soon
> as I would like to start the patches before tx. if any.)
Maitake_man - 28 Dec 2005 09:01 GMT
Yeah, as I mentioned in another post..quitting all the other vices. then
there is that creative release. That that detaches was from the world of
reality. I know it's bad for me, and costs out the a.s. This is really
strange as I just found this out. the guy that I used to work with that died
of cancer (I mentioned him=m in another thread) He didn't smoke (and died a
virgin in his 70's) always told me this plant was what the "Indian's" used
as tobacco, so I've been picking it and drying it, and smoking it, to cut
the costs down. I just found it on curiosity web search:
http://altnature.com/gallery/mullien.htm Wow, don't that beat all? We always
called it country boys toilet paper (which is what I did the search using.)
or, Johnny Golden Rod. Man, I am definitely going to check this out further.
I just read about this while answering this post. Damn and here I've been
trying to eradicate it from our yard. I guess old Butchie knew what he was
talking about. It don't smoke that bad either. Weird huh?
Thanks Kathy, I wouldn't have found this if I wasn't answering your post.
Hmmmm.
den
> Hi Mags and Maitake.  I haven't smoked tobacco since teenhood, so I don't
> have much experience with how it affects the bod.  But I did a quick
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> the patch route (which I am if I get the guts and it will have to be soon
> as I would like to start the patches before tx. if any.)
Waterspider - 28 Dec 2005 20:35 GMT
> Yeah, as I mentioned in another post..quitting all the other vices. then
> there is that creative release. That that detaches was from the world of
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> Hmmmm.
> den

And I wouldn't have found a whole bunch of other interesting verbascum info
if I hadn't read this thread. Wow, this stuff grows all over the place here.
I normally pull it out as a weed, but keep a couple of plants to tend
carefully because they're beautiful-- huge, tall fuzzy things (I can see
where the cowboy toilet paper came from).

I'm going to do more looking and reading and, if I can be assured that
there's no harm to my poor ole beatup liver, I'll be putting *that* in my
peace pipe and smoking it <g>

Anyway, if anyone wants seeds, I'll have millions...

Waterspider
john - 26 Dec 2005 18:20 GMT
Welcome
Maitake_man - 27 Dec 2005 06:29 GMT
> Welcome

John, thank-you Sir. I hope all is well, and best to You and Yours in this
Holiday Season.
den
Waterspider - 26 Dec 2005 18:26 GMT
> Hi, lurking here for well over a year. You are all very informative and
> thanks for that. You also seem very close knit and friendly. I thought I
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> den
> (for real, 2005)
Hi Maitake,

Glad to meetcha! Because you've been a longtime lurker, guess there's no
need to explain this weird and wonderful place. As well, I don't think I
need to tell you anything about myself because you probably figured me out a
long time ago.

Your artwork is simply amazing, and a few folks here will especially fall in
love with the guitar. Looks like life is good for you with a beautiful
family and a beautiful piece of earth to spend your time together on. Sounds
like your new doc has the right attitude about your hep, jump right on the
thing, seek and destroy. Keep us posted.

Thanks for joining us.

Waterspider
Maitake_man - 27 Dec 2005 06:27 GMT
> Hi Maitake,
>
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>
> Waterspider

Hi WS, thanks for the Welcome Mat! Not sure if I've figured you or anyone
else, including my self out. But, as I mentioned to Mags, I do feel like I
know you all and I remember your posts (senile as I am) probably the most.
Maybe because you are down to Earth, have a good sense of humor but also
honestly brief and to the point. I wish I was that way. Is that really you
holding all those Vodka bottles at the family Album page? See, I have been
that way ( : One thing I've noticed  is how things people write here, come
back to me later on. The Nurse told me, "Then the Doctor is going to do what
we call..." and I finished for her, saying, "The punch." She said , "yes."
and I told her, Alt.support. hepatitis C on the Internet. Then she held my
hand. although it was the bed rail I was reaching for (?)
Thanks for the compliments on the Family and the Art work. Now take my
In-laws...Please. But really, thanks. If you like the Gibson then you will
love the Custom Mahogany Doubleneck.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/billgarhead/duoblnk_1.jpg
My pieces are like my children to me, and I often wonder what happened to
this guitar. The person that had it done, is a very accompliced player if
nothing else.  But, I've been all through that scene and know it's rough.
Still, I think the axe itself will surface someday(?)
The Gibson (6 string) I have saved back for my son, needs new pick-ups and
I'm shopping for an amp for him. I also have an Alto Sax for him. yet, I'm
feeling more and more like learning it myself though. ( - :
Maybe I lurked so long because you are right it is a "weird and wonderful
place." You are a very encouraging person,  (rodger that on the new doc)
I'm very pleased to meet you. WS
Rock on. and thank you.
den

Waterspider - 27 Dec 2005 20:32 GMT
"Maitake_man" <lvr_phnx@some.bar> wrote in ...

> "Waterspider" <waterspider@moonlight.net> wrote >
>> Hi Maitake,
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> Maybe because you are down to Earth, have a good sense of humor but also
> honestly brief and to the point. I wish I was that way.

Thank you for the compliments, but to-the-point honesty is often interpreted
(perhaps correctly) as blunt insensitivity... be careful what you wish for
<g>

Is that really you
> holding all those Vodka bottles at the family Album page?

Yes, it is I, but all those voddy bottles were a cute PhotoShop trick by a
friend who hosted the party.

See, I have been
> that way ( :

I used to drink daily and quite heavily although I never got
sloppy-slurry-staggery drunk. Guess I was what they call a functional
alcoholic, because I never saw it as a problem until I got sick, then I just
stopped drinking and rarely missed it. My favourite poison was wine, but
because the local bars sold only cheap, crappy wine, I'd have a
"double-voddy-in-a-beer-mug-with-soda-and-a-splash-of-o-j," which would
usually shock the hell out of whoever decided to join the table by buying a
round. "*How* much was that?!" Lol, the good ole days, the bad good ole
days. Can't say that I have any regrets, but staying alive and healthy is
way more important to me, and I can't say that I miss much about those bad
ole days either.

One thing I've noticed  is how things people write here, come
> back to me later on. The Nurse told me, "Then the Doctor is going to do
> what we call..." and I finished for her, saying, "The punch." She said ,
> "yes." and I told her, Alt.support. hepatitis C on the Internet. Then she
> held my hand. although it was the bed rail I was reaching for (?)

I live in a relatively tiny village on the southwest coast of BC Canada and
the medical field here is pathetic in their knowledge of hepatitis c.
Without the excellent information about hepatitis c that I found here, I'm
certain that I'd be in dire straits (or worse) today.

> Thanks for the compliments on the Family and the Art work. Now take my
> In-laws...Please. But really, thanks. If you like the Gibson then you will
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> I'm shopping for an amp for him. I also have an Alto Sax for him. yet, I'm
> feeling more and more like learning it myself though. ( - :

Go for it! I remember some of the guys here on treatment talking about their
guitars and, reading between the lines, I think the magic of the music
carried them back from the dark side of the moon. An aside (see, I'm worse
than you are)... I've always loved music and wanted to learn to play an
instrument, ideally a guitar, but there was always something that prevented
me from making a point to just do it (I think it's called laziness?).
Anyway, a couple of months ago a young friend of mine, quite an accomplished
guitar player at 17, offered to teach me. Cool! So he shows up one night
with this beautiful old acoustic that had been his grandfather's (Elmo would
have swooned over this one), gave me a few basic instructions and hung the
thing over my shoulders to try (No, no, don't hold the neck up so high,
you're not a fuckin' rock star! LOL!). It immediately became apparent that I
could not play the thing, because my arm does not bend in such a way to make
it possible to hold my fingers on the strings on the neck of the thing. You
see, some years ago I trashed my left arm in a fall (nope, not drinking, but
maybe I should have been) and botched surgery left me with a metal rod
instead of bone in my forearm and a wrist that only rotates from noon to 3
p.m. rather than 6 a.m. to 3. I adjusted to this limitation quite well and
in fact had forgotten about it. "No sweat," says Skinhead (he calls me
Hippie), "I'll restring my electric so's you can play it upside down," but
he soon after moved to northern Alberta to work in a sawmill. Point is, if
you're hearing that guitar calling you, get your sorry a.s off the chair and
go for it! Right now, because you never know when the rules change.

> Maybe I lurked so long because you are right it is a "weird and wonderful
> place." You are a very encouraging person,  (rodger that on the new doc)
> I'm very pleased to meet you. WS
> Rock on. and thank you.

Thank you sincerely, Maitake, but wat da fuk are you still doing in front of
the stupid puter? Let go of the mouse. Back away from the keyboard. Go see
that guitar!

And rock on.

Waterspider
Maitake_man - 28 Dec 2005 08:32 GMT
> "Maitake_man" <lvr_phnx@some.bar> wrote in ...
>>
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> interpreted (perhaps correctly) as blunt insensitivity... be careful what
> you wish for <g>
Hey..That is this old Dog's line. <ss> Anyway, you tell it like it is and I
haven't seen anything that you have said that I disagree with. So go.

> Is that really you
>> holding all those Vodka bottles at the family Album page?
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> way more important to me, and I can't say that I miss much about those bad
> ole days either.
Ah the Vino...my name Dennis..is somehow attributed to that...lover of fine
wines or something to the same...I set out to prove that once. now I enjoy
(after gallons of Jack and smooth as silk..) an occasional bottle of my
favorite German mosul (black cat) That's one reason cigs will be hard for me
to quit, man i gave up whoring, booze and doping already. Oh well..and yeah
you got the right attitude about alive and healthy.

> One thing I've noticed  is how things people write here, come
>> back to me later on. The Nurse told me, "Then the Doctor is going to do
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> Without the excellent information about hepatitis c that I found here, I'm
> certain that I'd be in dire straits (or worse) today.
And the support, it looks as though you all give out support, that really is
most important. I hope it is a circle for you.

>> Thanks for the compliments on the Family and the Art work. Now take my
>> In-laws...Please. But really, thanks. If you like the Gibson then you
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> of the stupid puter? Let go of the mouse. Back away from the keyboard. Go
> see that guitar!

ha, I meant the SAXAPHONE, my older brother actually has all the musical
talent in the family. He was old enough to finish lessons before the big
crash of 61. He tells me i'm tone deaf, and maybe it is true (I kind of do a
Hendrix blues thing on strings and i sing like a Bullfrog croaks) but I used
to play Coronet in school and the Sax keeps calling to me. One of the many
choir voices in the house. maybe that part of TX will be good for me as I
might take time to do those things I can't seem to find time for now. But
probably not, it will probably be more hectic, just f.cked up more.
<kidding>
friend.

> And rock on.
>
> Waterspider
Waterspider - 28 Dec 2005 21:09 GMT
> Ah the Vino...my name Dennis..is somehow attributed to that...lover of
> fine wines or something to the same...I set out to prove that once. now I
> enjoy (after gallons of Jack and smooth as silk..) an occasional bottle of
> my favorite German mosul (black cat) That's one reason cigs will be hard
> for me to quit, man i gave up whoring, booze and doping already. Oh
> well..and yeah you got the right attitude about alive and healthy.

Except I can't beat the nicotine jones :(
Speaking of feline wine, don't know if you read my other post, but someone
gave me a bottle of Cat Pee on a Gooseberry Bush. Really. It's a cabernet
sauvignon from New Zealand and I think I'll be trying a glass on New Year's
eve.

>> Thank you sincerely, Maitake, but wat da fuk are you still doing in front
>> of the stupid puter? Let go of the mouse. Back away from the keyboard. Go
>> see that guitar!
>
> ha, I meant the SAXAPHONE,

Picky, picky!

Waterspider
Maitake_man - 28 Dec 2005 11:59 GMT
> And rock on.

Wow, I just read your entry in our guestbook...I am humbled...actually it's
the other way around. I'm privileged to meet you. Thank-You.
den

> Waterspider
kjoh - 27 Dec 2005 20:41 GMT
Hey Maitake Man!  Welcome. Lurking for a year - holy cow! We need to come
up with some kind of lurker booby prize for you!  I'm a fan of the fungi
too. Maitake (pronounced my TOCK ee, for the uncool here ;) is very
interesting. I'd like to gab about that some time.  I'm big on Ganoderma
lucidum. Not now though, I'm recovering from the festivities and we're
undergoing a big furniture and electronic reconfiguration here so my
domestic scene is in an uproar.  Martha would hate it.

You must know about this website?  www.fungi.com
Close knit and friendly!?  Ha Ha Ha!  I'm amazed at how so many levels of
communication can come across on a flat screen.  There is a tight group
here that goes back years.  Lots of struggle and compassion.  Very
beautiful.

Later then,
Kathy
10 weeks tx to go

>Maitake wrote:
> Hi, lurking here for well over a year. You are >all very informative and
thanks for that. You >also seem very close knit and friendly.
Maitake_man - 28 Dec 2005 08:07 GMT
Wow,Hi Kathy! I don't even know where to begin on catching up with all these
posts, but I'll start with yours and hope I don't leave anyone out. Yeah,
lurking for a year...it was strange being diagnosed and then ten years later
they decide to start doing a work up. By that time all the newness, the
shine had worn off. You know what I mean? I was getting routine 6 month
blood draws to the point where it became just that. then she gave me an arm
full of Guvt. pamphlets,  we all know how entertaining those are (deep 86
now)  So I checked in here to see what the real persons had to say about it.
After reading the posts and following the links I returned time after time,
maybe just to get the occasional lift.  After a while I began to wonder what
so and so was up to and hoping this person or that was doing ok. I decided
to some day jump in a say thanks and Hello, for some reason, who knows what,
it was this Holiday season. So, here I am on un-lurk status. Very pleased to
meet you!
On the shrooms. Cool! Glad to meet another hunter. Here are a couple of my
favorite  pics: http://tinyurl.com/bwt7k and http://tinyurl.com/9zla9 the
orangish one he is holding is what we call the Chicken of the Woods
(Laetiporus cincinnatus) one of the sulfur's as opposed to the Hen of The
Woods (maitake) he actually found those growing right out side our front
door at the base of his swing swing tree. Once the bottom of his giant
jack-o-Lantern rotted out on the same spot and when he pulled of the lid
there was a giant hen that had grown inside. We  (I) called the local news
and they sent a crew out to do the story. That night when the News came on
he was tickled pink! Funny cause the newsguy messed up and said something to
his co-anchor about a pumpkin growing inside a mushroom, and kidlet caught
his bloop. I see where Google has a place to upload vid's and I'll see if I
can get it up sometime,,,but, being a sahd/artist/photog/jackoat's i'm
finding I have millions of images and so little time. Which is why you will
find me posting this time of morning usually. (and my damn space bar keeps
sticking) Now about the Reishi are you from West Coast?  I only recently
found out about the Turkeytails, wow, all these years I just brushed them
aside thinking they were toadstool-ish. And me being part native to boot. My
so far greatest mushroom hunting experience was taking my son out last
Spring and hunching down with him telling to look in front of us...nothing
but 100's of Morels as far as we could see on the Forest floor. He knows how
to walk softly and can name all that we find. Which is pretty good for an
eight year old. We also fish very much.
Ha ha one the furniture and configuring...that is a constant here. (the
break in the Hotel over X-mas was appreciated) but, tomorrow (today) I go
pick up his new loft Bed. Then off the other direction to get the won from
internet auction comforters. I hear you on the "struggle and compassion"
maybe my draw to here. Let you know, I agree with your posts and more on
that later. Thanks for your Welcome. And you Kathy, kick it into overdrive
on your last ten weeks I'll be right behind you.
den
> Hey Maitake Man!  Welcome. Lurking for a year - holy cow! We need to come
> up with some kind of lurker booby prize for you!  I'm a fan of the fungi
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>> Hi, lurking here for well over a year. You are >all very informative and
> thanks for that. You >also seem very close knit and friendly.
Steve - 28 Dec 2005 12:43 GMT
Hey Den-

Amazing to me that you lurked so long, glad you took my advice and kept
on posting!

The last few days a have been very energetic - no sleep, talk
blahblahblahblahblah,etc.

A new doc I went to yesterday spent over an hour with me and my wife,
Never had that much time with a doc, while I was conscoius,. Even the
shrinks cut you off at 45 or 50 minutes.

His dx - Mania (obvious to wife - I had kept her up till 3am Blabbing
at her the night before). A manic episode probably brought on by my
'Potasium episode' (a different thread in ashc) on 12/17, 3 days after
stopping tx, hich was probably a mini-stroke. Having an MRI next month
to find out more.

put me on Seroquel -I left a message for BCLD will hear back today or
he's fired ;). At leaswt I got somes zzzzzzs last nite. My big bro and
sis-in-law are w/us til 12/31 so I won't be posting much.

For a guy with so much to say I can't imagine how you manage to lurk so
long:)

BTW - I didn't marry a psycho-therapist. christ. I said my ex was a
friggin phsyco (as in maniac).!!!!!
Glad to be rid of her - a scourge on the whole planet as far as I can
see & still is.

My dream bride of 10.5 years is an artist.

Keep on posting, sounds like you have a lot to say.
Steve
Maitake_man - 29 Dec 2005 10:17 GMT
> For a guy with so much to say I can't imagine how you manage to lurk so
> long:)

Who Me?

> BTW - I didn't marry a psycho-therapist. christ. I said my ex was a
> friggin phsyco (as in maniac).!!!!!

Yeah, I hear you. I was talking about you marrying "your favorite
bartender." ( - :

> Glad to be rid of her - a scourge on the whole planet as far as I can
> see & still is.
<sarcasm on>Well, I hope you didn't leave it where any of us might catch
it<sarcasm off> (-:

> My dream bride of 10.5 years is an artist.

Now you might have a problem there. (-:

> Keep on posting, sounds like you have a lot to say.

Who...me? (-;

> Steve
 
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