Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / December 2005
Potassium episode
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Steve - 24 Dec 2005 10:33 GMT 4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a little warm & sweaty and the next thing I know my wife is slapping the sh.t out me and talking on the phone tp 911.
I wasn't breathing and she couldn't get a pulse, when I came to she was slapping and screaming. I only had enough energy to stare at her. Six minutes later, the EMTs were asking me all sorts of Qs which thankfully I new the answers to but had a hell of a time slurring out the words. Low blood pressure and cold sweat pouring out of me like a running faucet.
In the emergency room an EKG, CAT scan, Chest X-ray, and lots of blood work revealed a low level of potassium as the only abnormality and my blood pressure came back up. I of course in my ignorance, thought the ER Doc must be an idiot. My BCLD and Internist both confirmed that low potassium probably was the cause of my heart stopping. The BCLD didn't have a clue as to why, and my Internist thought this was an episode due to the treatment and the sudden stop in intake of the tx and other drugs.
I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it appears they are probably right.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Glad to be here, Steve
kjoh - 24 Dec 2005 17:34 GMT Steve: I haven't heard of this before, but I am getting the picture that tx withdrawl can be a rough episode for some folks. Were you eating or taking supplements in such a way that would have ensured normal mineral intake? I wish we knew more about this. I wish tx docs would pay more attention to our electrolyte chemistry.
Kathy 11 weeks to go
anonymousone - 24 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT > Steve: I haven't heard of this before, but I am getting the picture that tx > withdrawl can be a rough episode for some folks. Were you eating or taking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Kathy > 11 weeks to go anonymousone - 24 Dec 2005 18:36 GMT Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment? Seems prudent.
Doug - 24 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT > Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment? > Seems prudent. That 'might be' dangerous. Doug
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:14 GMT Re: Potassium episode Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 10:36am (CST-2) From: tedw2@earthlink.net (anonymousone) Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment? Seems prudent. //////////// I've always been an advocate of banana consumption while on tx. Just ask Chester the molester. He'll tell ya. elmo
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Doug - 25 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT > Re: Potassium episode > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ask Chester the molester. He'll tell ya. > elmo Yeh, bananas et al are how potassium should be obtained - however potassium and i think magnesium regulate electrical impulses to beat the heart with positive and negative charge therefore to consume supplements should be with care. Doug
Shawn - 26 Dec 2005 06:36 GMT If you really look, apple juice has more potassium.
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> Re: Potassium episode > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Waterspider - 24 Dec 2005 19:19 GMT >4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work > was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it > appears they are probably right. Holy henfuck, Batman, that's scary! Folks here regularly recommend eating bananas while on tx, for the potassium, but I never heard of anyone having serious problems with a lack of it.
You've brought up a good point here. We always talk about helpful foods and supplements for heppers, and those on tx, but no one's addressed the issue of tx withdrawl. Definitely worth looking into.
New hepper slogan: An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but a banana will keep you out of an ER bay.
Waterspider
Steve - 24 Dec 2005 19:41 GMT I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed the test results and seemed surprised as well. I don't think they tested for potassium during tx.
Scary & mysterious, I am starting to feel better (loading up on potassium).
Maybe some exercise will help me get some energy back.
Happy Holidays, Steve
Waterspider - 24 Dec 2005 19:57 GMT >I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and > Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Maybe some exercise will help me get some energy back. Yeah, and a holiday-- Take a trip to South America and climb banana trees!
All the best,
Waterspider
Steve - 24 Dec 2005 19:58 GMT anonymousone - 25 Dec 2005 04:34 GMT > I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and > Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Happy Holidays, > Steve A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say whether it was the ribavirin or Interferon which was causing the depletion. I dont see how supplementing a modest amount of pottasium would hurt during treatment.
Lu Tze - 24 Dec 2005 21:51 GMT >>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work >>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Waterspider I found that on both occasions, withdrawal was the reverse process of entry into treatment. Symptoms which appeared and and then subsided whilst on treatment reappeared in the months after cessation but most have now subsided once more. Treatment does seem to have left me with persistently high blood pressure however. It is always > 185/90. I'm not really sure now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart attack. 6 month pcr in January.
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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 06:09 GMT >>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work >>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart attack. 6 month pcr > in January. Hi Lu Tze What does your doc say about the high blood pressure? It's not been six months yet, so maybe it will normalize in time if it was caused by tx. I hope so, you're liver's giving you enough grief without another organ jumping on the bandwagon. You take care, Waterspider
Steve - 25 Dec 2005 11:52 GMT anon wrote:
>A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say >whether it was the ribavirin or Interferon which was causing the >depletion. I dont see how supplementing a modest amount of pottasium >would hurt during treatment. They don't know Jack! Steve
Doug - 25 Dec 2005 14:22 GMT "Steve" <Chemodog@gmail.com> wrote in message
> They don't know Jack! > Steve yeh i think they know jake though, not sure. Doug
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:24 GMT Hey, man! If that's your b/p, you need to get on some medication for it ASAP!! elmo
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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 20:59 GMT > anon wrote: >>A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They don't know Jack! They obviously don't know Steve either :)
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Lu Tze - 25 Dec 2005 19:01 GMT >>>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work >>>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > jumping on the bandwagon. You take care, > Waterspider GP put me on felodipine 2.5mg daily. I also take 50mg of spironolactone once a day which I am given to understand also lowers blood pressure so I don,t know what my unmedicated blood pressure would be. The first felodipine gave me a thumping headache but nothing since, mind you it is only the third day. Mostly feel ok with the odd dip here and there, I think however the virus is back. You can sort of tell can't you.
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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 21:04 GMT >>>>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work >>>>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > only the third day. Mostly feel ok with the odd dip here and there, I > think however the virus is back. You can sort of tell can't you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh no, you can *not* tell if it's back.
Every day, I'd notice some little "symptom" or other that convinced me the treatment had failed. Even after the six month PCR came back clean, I still worried that I still had hep c. We love to play head games with ourselves... I still, occasionally, worry that it may be back and it's been 3 and a half years!
Now give yourself a good talking-to and maybe that will help your bp!
All the best,
Spidey
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:20 GMT Re: Potassium episode Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 9:51pm (CST+6) From: lutzespamfree@nogginthenogle.com (Lu Tze) Waterspider wrote: "Steve" <Chemodog@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1135420406.579511.158600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... 4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a little warm & sweaty and the next thing I know my wife is slapping the sh.t out me and talking on the phone tp 911. I wasn't breathing and she couldn't get a pulse, when I came to she was slapping and screaming. I only had enough energy to stare at her. Six minutes later, the EMTs were asking me all sorts of Qs which thankfully I new the answers to but had a hell of a time slurring out the words. Low blood pressure and cold sweat pouring out of me like a running faucet. In the emergency room an EKG, CAT scan, Chest X-ray, and lots of blood work revealed a low level of potassium as the only abnormality and my blood pressure came back up. I of course in my ignorance, thought the ER Doc must be an idiot. My BCLD and Internist both confirmed that low potassium probably was the cause of my heart stopping. The BCLD didn't have a clue as to why, and my Internist thought this was an episode due to the treatment and the sudden stop in intake of the tx and other drugs. I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it appears they are probably right. Holy henfuck, Batman, that's scary! Folks here regularly recommend eating bananas while on tx, for the potassium, but I never heard of anyone having serious problems with a lack of it. You've brought up a good point here. We always talk about helpful foods and supplements for heppers, and those on tx, but no one's addressed the issue of tx withdrawl. Definitely worth looking into. New hepper slogan: An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but a banana will keep you out of an ER bay. Waterspider I found that on both occasions, withdrawal was the reverse process of entry into treatment. Symptoms which appeared and and then subsided whilst on treatment reappeared in the months after cessation but most have now subsided once more. Treatment does seem to have left me with persistently high blood pressure however. It is always > 185/90. I'm not really sure now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart attack. 6 month pcr in January.
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Arclight - 25 Dec 2005 16:17 GMT elmo said:My impression is that high blood pressure in heppers is usually a result of liver damage, particularly if you've got portal hypertension
I have normal to low BP.....and I'm in Chirossis. I think it can indicate liver damage But it's not a hard and fast rule.
anonymousone - 29 Dec 2005 08:09 GMT > elmo said:My impression is that high blood pressure in heppers is > usually a result [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > indicate liver damage > But it'shttp://66.102.7.104/search? Here is a link to Pottasum supplementation. It seems like a very wise thing to do. Dosage between 5-18 g per day seems to be safe.
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