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Steve - 24 Dec 2005 10:33 GMT
4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
little warm & sweaty and the next thing I know my wife is slapping the
sh.t out me and talking on the phone tp 911.

I wasn't breathing and she couldn't get a pulse, when I came to she was
slapping and screaming. I only had enough energy to stare at her. Six
minutes later, the EMTs were asking me all sorts of Qs which thankfully
I new the answers to but had a hell of a time slurring out the words.
Low blood pressure and cold sweat pouring out of me like a running
faucet.

In the emergency room an EKG, CAT scan, Chest X-ray, and lots of blood
work revealed a low level of potassium as the only abnormality and my
blood pressure came back up. I of course in my ignorance, thought the
ER Doc must be an idiot. My BCLD and Internist both confirmed that low
potassium probably was the cause of my heart stopping. The BCLD didn't
have a clue as to why, and my Internist thought this was an episode due
to the treatment and the sudden stop in intake of the tx and other
drugs.

I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it
appears they are probably right.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Glad to be here,
Steve
kjoh - 24 Dec 2005 17:34 GMT
Steve: I haven't heard of this before, but I am getting the picture that tx
withdrawl can be a rough episode for some folks.  Were you eating or taking
supplements in such a way that would have ensured normal mineral intake? I
wish we knew more about this.  I wish tx docs would pay more attention to
our electrolyte chemistry.

Kathy
11 weeks to go
anonymousone - 24 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
> Steve: I haven't heard of this before, but I am getting the picture that tx
> withdrawl can be a rough episode for some folks.  Were you eating or taking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Kathy
> 11 weeks to go
anonymousone - 24 Dec 2005 18:36 GMT
Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment?
Seems prudent.
Doug - 24 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT
> Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment?
> Seems prudent.

That 'might be' dangerous.         Doug
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:14 GMT

Re: Potassium episode  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 10:36am (CST-2)
From: tedw2@earthlink.net (anonymousone)
Scary. Is anyone talking pottasium supplementation during treatment?
Seems prudent.
////////////
I've always been an advocate of banana consumption while on tx.  Just
ask Chester the molester.  He'll tell ya.
elmo

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Doug - 25 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
> Re: Potassium episode
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> ask Chester the molester.  He'll tell ya.
> elmo

Yeh, bananas et al are how potassium should be obtained - however potassium
and i think magnesium regulate electrical impulses to beat the heart with
positive and negative charge therefore to consume supplements should be with
care.   Doug
Shawn - 26 Dec 2005 06:36 GMT
If you really look, apple juice has more potassium.

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Waterspider - 24 Dec 2005 19:19 GMT
>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
> was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it
> appears they are probably right.

Holy henfuck, Batman, that's scary! Folks here regularly recommend eating
bananas while on tx, for the potassium, but I never heard of anyone having
serious problems with a lack of it.

You've brought up a good point here. We always talk about helpful foods and
supplements for heppers, and those on tx, but no one's addressed the issue
of tx withdrawl. Definitely worth looking into.

New hepper slogan: An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but a banana
will keep you out of an ER bay.

Waterspider
Steve - 24 Dec 2005 19:41 GMT
I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and
Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed
the test results and seemed surprised as well. I don't think they
tested for potassium during tx.

Scary & mysterious, I am starting to feel better (loading up on
potassium).

Maybe some exercise will help me get some energy back.

Happy Holidays,
Steve
Waterspider - 24 Dec 2005 19:57 GMT
>I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and
> Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Maybe some exercise will help me get some energy back.

Yeah, and a holiday-- Take a trip to South America and climb banana trees!

All the best,

Waterspider
Steve - 24 Dec 2005 19:58 GMT
anonymousone - 25 Dec 2005 04:34 GMT
> I ate a banana a day all through tx & still do. Drank plenty of H2O and
> Gatorade to maintain electrolyte balance, vitamins, etc. BCLD reviewed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Happy Holidays,
> Steve

A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say
whether it was the ribavirin or Interferon which was causing the
depletion. I dont see how supplementing a modest amount of pottasium
would hurt during treatment.
Lu Tze - 24 Dec 2005 21:51 GMT
>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Waterspider

I found that on both occasions, withdrawal was the reverse process of
entry into treatment. Symptoms which appeared and and then subsided
whilst on treatment reappeared in the months after cessation but most
have now subsided once more. Treatment does seem to have left me with
persistently high blood pressure however. It is always > 185/90. I'm not
really sure now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart
attack. 6 month pcr in January.

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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 06:09 GMT
>>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
>>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart attack. 6 month pcr
> in January.

Hi Lu Tze
What does your doc say about the high blood pressure? It's not been six
months yet, so maybe it will normalize in time if it was caused by tx. I
hope so, you're liver's giving you enough grief without another organ
jumping on the bandwagon. You take care,
Waterspider
Steve - 25 Dec 2005 11:52 GMT
anon wrote:
>A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say
>whether it was the ribavirin or Interferon which was causing the
>depletion. I dont see how supplementing a modest amount of pottasium
>would hurt during treatment.

They don't know Jack!
Steve
Doug - 25 Dec 2005 14:22 GMT
"Steve" <Chemodog@gmail.com> wrote in message
> They don't know Jack!
> Steve

yeh i think they know jake though, not sure.      Doug
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:24 GMT
Hey, man!  If that's your b/p, you need to get on some medication for it
ASAP!!  
elmo

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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 20:59 GMT
> anon wrote:
>>A banana a day should have kept your potassium levels up. Did they say
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> They don't know Jack!

They obviously don't know Steve either :)

Waterspider
Lu Tze - 25 Dec 2005 19:01 GMT
>>>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
>>>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> jumping on the bandwagon. You take care,
> Waterspider

GP put me on felodipine 2.5mg daily. I also take 50mg of spironolactone
once a day which I am given to understand also lowers blood pressure so
I don,t know what my unmedicated blood pressure would be. The first
felodipine gave me a thumping headache but nothing since, mind you it is
only the third day. Mostly feel ok with the odd dip here and there, I
think however the virus is back. You can sort of tell can't you.

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Waterspider - 25 Dec 2005 21:04 GMT
>>>>>4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
>>>>>was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> only the third day. Mostly feel ok with the odd dip here and there, I
> think however the virus is back. You can sort of tell can't you.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh no, you can *not* tell if it's back.

Every day, I'd notice some little "symptom" or other that convinced me the
treatment had failed. Even after the six month PCR came back clean, I still
worried that I still had hep c. We love to play head games with ourselves...
I still, occasionally, worry that it may be back and it's been 3 and a half
years!

Now give yourself a good talking-to and maybe that will help your bp!

All the best,

Spidey
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Dec 2005 14:20 GMT

Re: Potassium episode  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 9:51pm (CST+6)
From: lutzespamfree@nogginthenogle.com (Lu Tze)
Waterspider wrote:
"Steve" <Chemodog@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135420406.579511.158600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
4 days after stopping tx on my BCLDs advice (although all my blood work
was fine except VL) I crashed while watching TV. Started feeling a
little warm & sweaty and the next thing I know my wife is slapping the
sh.t out me and talking on the phone tp 911. I wasn't breathing and she
couldn't get a pulse, when I came to she was slapping and screaming. I
only had enough energy to stare at her. Six minutes later, the EMTs were
asking me all sorts of Qs which thankfully I new the answers to but had
a hell of a time slurring out the words. Low blood pressure and cold
sweat pouring out of me like a running faucet.
In the emergency room an EKG, CAT scan, Chest X-ray, and lots of blood
work revealed a low level of potassium as the only abnormality and my
blood pressure came back up. I of course in my ignorance, thought the ER
Doc must be an idiot. My BCLD and Internist both confirmed that low
potassium probably was the cause of my heart stopping. The BCLD didn't
have a clue as to why, and my Internist thought this was an episode due
to the treatment and the sudden stop in intake of the tx and other
drugs.
I did a little research on my own when I felt a little better and it
appears they are probably right.
Holy henfuck, Batman, that's scary! Folks here regularly recommend
eating bananas while on tx, for the potassium, but I never heard of
anyone having serious problems with a lack of it.
You've brought up a good point here. We always talk about helpful foods
and supplements for heppers, and those on tx, but no one's addressed the
issue of tx withdrawl. Definitely worth looking into.
New hepper slogan: An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but a banana
will keep you out of an ER bay.
Waterspider
I found that on both occasions, withdrawal was the reverse process of
entry into treatment. Symptoms which appeared and and then subsided
whilst on treatment reappeared in the months after cessation but most
have now subsided once more. Treatment does seem to have left me with
persistently high blood pressure however. It is always > 185/90. I'm not
really sure now which is the bigger threat, liver failure or heart
attack. 6 month pcr in January.
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//////////
My impression is that high blood pressure in heppers is usually a result
of liver damage, particularly if you've got portal hypertension.
elmo

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Arclight - 25 Dec 2005 16:17 GMT
elmo said:My impression is that high blood pressure in heppers is
usually a result
of liver damage, particularly if you've got portal hypertension

I have normal to low BP.....and I'm in Chirossis. I think it can
indicate liver damage
But it's not a hard and fast rule.
anonymousone - 29 Dec 2005 08:09 GMT
> elmo said:My impression is that high blood pressure in heppers is
> usually a result
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> indicate liver damage
> But it'shttp://66.102.7.104/search?

Here is a link to Pottasum supplementation. It seems like a very wise
thing to do. Dosage between 5-18 g  per day seems to be safe.

q=cache:MI3UmIf84LMJ:www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10086,00.html+how+much++po
tassium+can+you+safely+take+&hl=en&client=firefox-a

not a hard and fast rule.
 
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