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RAY - 08 Dec 2005 23:02 GMT
Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up
yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive
got type 1 and will have my fingers crossed i dont turn into a monster and
scare my family away. i work away 4weeks on 4 weeks off so they,ll only have
to put up with me half the time. new years eve comming up it going to be a
huge street party NO i wont be drinking. but am considering a couple of
extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect me
. due to the medication.??
Gordo Mondragon - 08 Dec 2005 23:15 GMT
Ray -

While I don't think there are known problems with mixing MDMA with the
treatment drugs, I think the last thing you'd want to do is mix the
possible sick feelings from the meds with the feelings from rolling on
X.  

Most people find that the drugs that work with the effects of treatment
are those that slow you down, keep you even, smooth off the edges.  I've
got nothing against recreational drugs but based on my experience with
treatment - especially at the beginning - I wouldn't do it.

G

> Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up
> yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive
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> extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect me
> . due to the medication.??
RAY - 08 Dec 2005 23:33 GMT
good on ya mate thanks for the advise. i,ll take it on board. you have a
good xmass an new year.
cactus jammies - 08 Dec 2005 23:34 GMT
Ray,
You had better check that out, man.  I have read on this group from
information from medical sources that  X can f.ck up your liver badly,
calling for an immediate transplant.  I kid you NOT.

OTH, peyote is not tracible in any form of metabolite in the human system,
google Native American Church or whatever its called.  You'll find it.  I
don't take peyote, by the way.  But I am getting reverend papers for my
trips down in redstates.

hope this helps

Bob   cj
........ back to grinding guitars .........

> Ray -
>
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>> me
>> . due to the medication.??
RAY - 08 Dec 2005 23:54 GMT
thanks mate but i recon peyote will be out of the question as i,m in
australia. i,ll just see what the night brings .
cactus jammies - 11 Dec 2005 08:36 GMT
RAY...
yabut isnt there some type of Abbo concotion that might use the Rights for
you to achieve your bliss?
Isn't tjhat harvested near the geomorp called Ayre's Rock?

cactus aboriginalis

"RAY" <dixon_v@optusnet.com.au> wote in message
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> thanks mate but i recon peyote will be out of the question as i,m in
> australia. i,ll just see what the night brings .
Gordo Mondragon - 09 Dec 2005 00:48 GMT
I just spent some time doing some research on this.  Given the massive
numbers of people who have taken MDMA regularly over long periods of
time over the last decade and half, it would be fair to say that chances
of it causing liver damage are exceedingly low.

However - the documented cases, however rare, can't be completely
attributed to other causes - adulturants, overdose, water intoxication,
combinations of drugs, etc.  It seems to be that some people, however
few, just have a very bad reaction to it.  Some from one dose, some from
taking it a few times, some from longer-term use.  The vast majority of
people don't have any liver problems from it.

So if it was me, and there was something wrong with my liver - which Hep
C infects -  I wouldn't go near the stuff the same way I wouldn't drink
alcohol.

G

> Ray,
> You had better check that out, man.  I have read on this group from
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> >> me
> >> . due to the medication.??
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 03:21 GMT
yep understand what your saying. i guess after monday i,ll know what effect
the therapy is going to have on me. hopefully none whatsoever. that would be
wishfull thinking i reacon. thanks buddy.
pajaritaflora - 08 Dec 2005 23:40 GMT
> Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up
> yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect me
> . due to the medication.??

Ray,
I too wanted to do just one more hit of ex before treatment. But since
I was researching everything I researched that. I found that several
folks who likely were on binges ended up in the hospital needing a new
liver within just days after partying. These folks had no known liver
issues. you do. So I didn't do it.
I was bummin cause I only used to do it as a special treat once or
twice a year. great fun but bad drugs.

Please consider skipping it. Smokem some pot

mye
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 00:02 GMT
cool yeah i been smoking every day for the past 25 years give or take a week
or so. love me pot. just dont want to be feeling shitty for the party an
sitting in the corner while everyone else is boogying. but then again thats
how i ended up like this aye. maybe i,ll just get a good movie sit at home
and chill.
Gordo Mondragon - 09 Dec 2005 00:29 GMT
Ray -

My advice: mix up a batch of special brownies and join the fun.  You
probably won't feel like boogying anyway, and the MJ does wonders for
the treatment side-effects.

> cool yeah i been smoking every day for the past 25 years give or take a week
> or so. love me pot. just dont want to be feeling shitty for the party an
> sitting in the corner while everyone else is boogying. but then again thats
> how i ended up like this aye. maybe i,ll just get a good movie sit at home
> and chill.
Bob Mackie - 09 Dec 2005 01:03 GMT
the best advice, but I think by the sounds of it, you should have a few
doses of MJ on hand, like hashish or hasish resin or kif.

eh?

cactus horriblius

> cool yeah i been smoking every day for the past 25 years give or take a
> week or so. love me pot. just dont want to be feeling shitty for the party
> an sitting in the corner while everyone else is boogying. but then again
> thats how i ended up like this aye. maybe i,ll just get a good movie sit
> at home and chill.
pajaritaflora - 09 Dec 2005 01:26 GMT
> cool yeah i been smoking every day for the past 25 years give or take a week
> or so. love me pot. just dont want to be feeling shitty for the party an
> sitting in the corner while everyone else is boogying. but then again thats
> how i ended up like this aye. maybe i,ll just get a good movie sit at home
> and chill.

Haa haa I went to the party. There was one just prior to
starting.....they made me brownies.:)
I had a really good time ....just didn't stay till sunrise.
Paul - 09 Dec 2005 00:08 GMT
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:32:27 +1030, "RAY" <dixon_v@optusnet.com.au>, in
message ID <4398bb85$0$21121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, in the
newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

> but am considering a couple of
>extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect me
>. due to the medication.??

I know you said to drink water with the ecstacy but tx meds dehydrate
you and ecstacy dehydrates you too.  Apart from the obvious physical
issues, tx meds can produce some awful mood swings and I question
whether mixing them with a drug like ecstacy  is such a great idea.
If it's important to you to have a fun time at new year, maybe delay
starting tx? (unless you have been medically advised that immediate
start is important).
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Gordo Mondragon - 09 Dec 2005 00:28 GMT
[...]

> I know you said to drink water with the ecstacy but tx meds dehydrate
> you and ecstacy dehydrates you too.  Apart from the obvious physical
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> starting tx? (unless you have been medically advised that immediate
> start is important).

Also, MJ works with the treatment drugs just fine :)  Unless it makes
you antisocial.
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 09 Dec 2005 00:41 GMT

Ready set go  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2005, 9:32am
(CST+16:30) From: dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked
it up yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday
12th dec.Ive got type 1 and will have my fingers crossed i dont turn
into a monster and scare my family away. i work away 4weeks on 4 weeks
off so they,ll only have to put up with me half the time. new years eve
comming up it going to be a huge street party NO i wont be drinking. but
am considering a couple of extassy and drink water a has any one any
ideas on how this could effect me . due to the medication.??
///////////
Now I understand where you're coming from, Ray.  You're f.cking
nuts!!!!!  I've never done that sh.t, but if I were to hazard a guess,
I'd say the chances of you blowing your brains out are increased ten
fold.  With a little luck, you won't comprehend what you're doing.  :-)
elmo (shaking his head)

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 03:40 GMT
God forbid I just like to have fun....:)

> Ready set go
>
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
JV - 09 Dec 2005 04:32 GMT
Ray
You must be nuts to mix anything like ex with interferon tx. Do you have
a death wish? It seems to me your not taking your disease of hep c very
seriously at all. You need to straighten up before you start tx. It is
very demanding and requires a full time commitment. Either your not very
old or your just plain silly and don't know any better. Do you want to
jeopardize your chances for getting rid of hep c or what. Any thing that
will tax your liver you need to forget and leave behind. Smoke some bud
and start behaving your self Ray and put the fun on hold for a while.
Once you start tx your going to find that just surviving on a daily
bases is going to consume you. Now start behaving and come back to
reality.
                                          Juanita

dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
God forbid I just like to have fun....:)

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Ready set go
Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2005, 9:32am
(CST+16:30) From: dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY) Its time to start, just
got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up yesterday and due
to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive got type 1 and
will have my fingers crossed i dont turn into a monster and scare my
family away. i work away 4weeks on 4 weeks off so they,ll only have to
put up with me half the time. new years eve comming up it going to be a
huge street party NO i wont be drinking. but am considering a couple of
extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect
me . due to the medication.??
///////////
Now I understand where you're coming from, Ray. You're f.cking nuts!!!!!
I've never done that sh.t, but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the
chances of you blowing your brains out are increased ten fold. With a
little luck, you won't comprehend what you're doing. :-) elmo (shaking
his head)
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 05:28 GMT
Thank you Juanita for your reply, no i dont really know what to expect. and
no i,m not that young, silly, well yeah maybe sometimes. i start monday and
am just trying to see what avenues there are to get though it the best i
can. sinserely thanks for the consern and taking the time to tell me off
: -) kind regards Ray
> Ray
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> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
JV - 09 Dec 2005 18:54 GMT
Ray
Glad your taking this so well. I just dont want you ending up in ER from
mixing stuff like that. It wouldnt be good and you wouldnt want to have
to tell ER what your really on. Could be a mess. Tx will zing you
enough, make bud your friend and smoke smoke smoke. So your starting
monday, do keep in touch and let us all know how your doing. Expect to
feel weird believe me you will. Learning to ride the roller coaster of
tx is a trip its self.
Good luck monday.             Juanita

dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
Thank you Juanita for your reply, no i dont really know what to expect.
and no i,m not that young, silly, well yeah maybe sometimes. i start
monday and am just trying to see what avenues there are to get though it
the best i can. sinserely thanks for the consern and taking the time to
tell me off
-) kind regards Ray
"JV" <Meling333@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16025-439908C4-15@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
Ray
You must be nuts to mix anything like ex with interferon tx. Do you have
a death wish? It seems to me your not taking your disease of hep c very
seriously at all. You need to straighten up before you start tx. It is
very demanding and requires a full time commitment. Either your not very
old or your just plain silly and don't know any better. Do you want to
jeopardize your chances for getting rid of hep c or what. Any thing that
will tax your liver you need to forget and leave behind. Smoke some bud
and start behaving your self Ray and put the fun on hold for a while.
Once you start tx your going to find that just surviving on a daily
bases is going to consume you. Now start behaving and come back to
reality.
                                                                                      Juanita
dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
God forbid I just like to have fun....:)
<elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5904-4398D2CE-78@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net... Ready set go
Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2005, 9:32am
(CST+16:30) From: dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY) Its time to start, just
got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up yesterday and due
to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive got type 1 and
will have my fingers crossed i dont turn into a monster and scare my
family away. i work away 4weeks on 4 weeks off so they,ll only have to
put up with me half the time. new years eve comming up it going to be a
huge street party NO i wont be drinking. but am considering a couple of
extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect
me . due to the medication.??
///////////
Now I understand where you're coming from, Ray. You're f.cking nuts!!!!!
I've never done that sh.t, but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the
chances of you blowing your brains out are increased ten fold. With a
little luck, you won't comprehend what you're doing. :-) elmo (shaking
his head)
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 23:56 GMT
Thanks Juanita.cheer,s to feeling good.
Ray
Glad your taking this so well. I just dont want you ending up in ER from
mixing stuff like that. It wouldnt be good and you wouldnt want to have
to tell ER what your really on. Could be a mess. Tx will zing you
enough, make bud your friend and smoke smoke smoke. So your starting
monday, do keep in touch and let us all know how your doing. Expect to
feel weird believe me you will. Learning to ride the roller coaster of
tx is a trip its self.
Good luck monday.             Juanita

dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
Thank you Juanita for your reply, no i dont really know what to expect.
and no i,m not that young, silly, well yeah maybe sometimes. i start
monday and am just trying to see what avenues there are to get though it
the best i can. sinserely thanks for the consern and taking the time to
tell me off
-) kind regards Ray
"JV" <Meling333@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16025-439908C4-15@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
Ray
You must be nuts to mix anything like ex with interferon tx. Do you have
a death wish? It seems to me your not taking your disease of hep c very
seriously at all. You need to straighten up before you start tx. It is
very demanding and requires a full time commitment. Either your not very
old or your just plain silly and don't know any better. Do you want to
jeopardize your chances for getting rid of hep c or what. Any thing that
will tax your liver you need to forget and leave behind. Smoke some bud
and start behaving your self Ray and put the fun on hold for a while.
Once you start tx your going to find that just surviving on a daily
bases is going to consume you. Now start behaving and come back to
reality.
Juanita
dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY)
God forbid I just like to have fun....:)
<elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5904-4398D2CE-78@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net... Ready set go
Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2005, 9:32am
(CST+16:30) From: dixon_v@optusnet.com.au (RAY) Its time to start, just
got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it up yesterday and due
to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th dec.Ive got type 1 and
will have my fingers crossed i dont turn into a monster and scare my
family away. i work away 4weeks on 4 weeks off so they,ll only have to
put up with me half the time. new years eve comming up it going to be a
huge street party NO i wont be drinking. but am considering a couple of
extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on how this could effect
me . due to the medication.??
///////////
Now I understand where you're coming from, Ray. You're f.cking nuts!!!!!
I've never done that sh.t, but if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the
chances of you blowing your brains out are increased ten fold. With a
little luck, you won't comprehend what you're doing. :-) elmo (shaking
his head)
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
cactus jammies - 09 Dec 2005 19:52 GMT
hear juanita speak, and head, oh those with their ears on.

cactus elephant ears
............................................................................
> Ray
> You must be nuts to mix anything like ex with interferon tx. Do you have
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> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Gordo Mondragon - 10 Dec 2005 00:14 GMT
> hear juanita speak, and head, oh those with their ears on.

"head"?  Is that canadian for "heed"?
cactus jammies - 10 Dec 2005 00:40 GMT
no, its from the altered State of Mind going perennial! I liked your
reference to shake for the ghee, Gordo, I figured it would be you that added
that to the string, and yes to all those questions in canada for liscensed
MJ, underground support nets, and the fact that we're chemo patients when on
the TX.  That's for all the johnny and jenny canucks on this list.

the answer to your question is no, it was my head that slipped in there
ooops

the conclusion is to heed your aces and eights (card game of dominance and
aquisition)

Bob
cactus coo coo

>> hear juanita speak, and head, oh those with their ears on.
>
> "head"?  Is that canadian for "heed"?
Gordo Mondragon - 09 Dec 2005 12:53 GMT
Ray -

Lots of advice to not do it, but would wager that two weeks after you
start treatment that as a probably sensible man you'll figure out that
it's not something you feel like doing.  

G

> God forbid I just like to have fun....:)
> >
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> >
> > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 23:59 GMT
I,m just one of those fun lovin people that allways takes life to the
max.i,ll get through this the best way i can. cheers buddy.
> Ray -
>
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>> >
>> > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
mags - 09 Dec 2005 02:39 GMT
I am not sure if you fully understand the trip you will take on Riba and
Interferon.  If you start on the 12th the only chilling out your may do is
with fever and sweats.  Chemicals are powerful.  I don't think you will miss
your extasy.  I love my red wine and didnt think I could go without it for a
year - turns out it would be the last thing I would want.

Mags
stick with the mj
> Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it
> up yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> considering a couple of extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on
> how this could effect me . due to the medication.??
RAY - 09 Dec 2005 03:29 GMT
"thankyou to everyone for your help and advise i,ll do the right thing.
buster - 09 Dec 2005 13:20 GMT
Good luck with your treatment Ray the first shot is always real hang over,
but its not any big thing, we have all dealt with it. How old r u? Your
still doing X.  Do you want to be Peter Pan when you grow up?   Don't mean
to offend you but think about it.  Here is too no VL in 12 weeks!   Good
luck!   Buster

> Its time to start, just got me pack sitting in the fridge door, picked it
> up yesterday and due to my work scedule am going for it on monday 12th
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> considering a couple of extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas on
> how this could effect me . due to the medication.??
Gordo Mondragon - 09 Dec 2005 16:47 GMT
> Good luck with your treatment Ray the first shot is always real hang over,
> but its not any big thing, we have all dealt with it. How old r u? Your
> still doing X.  Do you want to be Peter Pan when you grow up?

It's never too late to have a happy childhood :)

G
buster - 09 Dec 2005 18:02 GMT
I must be jealous! lol

>> Good luck with your treatment Ray the first shot is always real hang
>> over,
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>
> G
RAY - 10 Dec 2005 00:05 GMT
goodaye buster i,m 45 an me middle name is peter ha! ha! i feel that ive had
lots of good advice from people so i can now make an educated decision. ive
got geno type 1 with VL of 9,500.000 from me last test.thanks for the reply
mate. cheers
> Good luck with your treatment Ray the first shot is always real hang over,
> but its not any big thing, we have all dealt with it. How old r u? Your
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> considering a couple of extassy and drink water a has any one any ideas
>> on how this could effect me . due to the medication.??
 
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