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Starting NM283 Valopicitabine clinical trials
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Mark - 01 Dec 2005 02:41 GMT I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice a day NM283. There are 5 arms of the trial which vary the dose of NM283. This will be my first tx. Is there anyone currently trying this or with past experience with it? They told me the main side is nausea and occasional vomiting. My first visit is this Friday and I will start the tx within 2 weeks afterwards. This is all kind of quick but the cut-off for getting in on the trial is the 15th. Since this is only for first time tx people I thought I should try it before conventional treatment. Any thoughts, concerns, suggestions, or personal experiences you would like to share would be appreciated. Of course I have been googling and reading everything I can about the drug, just don't know much about the details of the trial until this Friday.
Mark
Thomas Wagner - 01 Dec 2005 02:57 GMT >I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes >the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >with past experience with it? They told me the main side is nausea and >occasional vomiting. Since NM283 is very new, I don't believe anyone here has any experience with it. But please keep us updated about your progress, it would be great to get first-hand news.
The effects of interferon are well known to most here, though. Once-weekly shots means Peg-Intron or Pegasys, with the usual sides of flu-like symptoms, fatigue, and assorted other goodies. But without the ribavirin, you may have a smoother sailing.
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Gordo Mondragon - 01 Dec 2005 03:12 GMT From reading about Valo<whatever>, it seems to be a more focussed drug in terms of HCV - Ribavirin is, chemically, a more brute force method.
My experience with anti-HIV drugs is that they all have radically different side-effects. I'm sure that there are a lot of people here who would be very interested in hearing about the side-effects that you experience (hopefully less than Riba) and how it affects your blood levels.
It's not clear why the interferon/riba combo works. The assumption is that the riba reduces the viral activity and ramping up the immune system gets the rest. The assumption is that the riba can be replaced by other drugs that suppress the virus with fewer side-effects. Hopefully that's the case.
Please stick around and keep us up to date with how it works!
Gordo
> I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes > the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mark greyhackles - 01 Dec 2005 04:55 GMT >> I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes >> the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Mark
>From reading about Valo<whatever>, it seems to be a more focussed drug >in terms of HCV - Ribavirin is, chemically, a more brute force method. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Gordo fwiw....and I freely admit at least some of this is subject to my own potential misinterpretation...I believe the Ribavirin induces defects in key areas of the viral RNA, causing replication failure, while the IFN boosts some particular immune system anti-viral response that enables macrophages to recognize free-floating virions as foreign and eliminate same. Presumably, blocking both replication and eliminating free virions long enough for all previously incorporated host cells (which I guess is still relegated to hepatocytes alone) to have died off leads to the state of "cure" (as measured by the persistent absence of virus in peripheral blood titer accompanied by normalization of LFTs).
SWAG: neither drug actually "cures" the liver cells that have been taken over by the virus reproductive machinery, they block the virus from taking over new cells (basically, inducing an "all clear" state in the circulating blood), while the zombie cells have to die off through some other process (perhaps natural cell life/death cycles?)
Anyway....No doubt there will be a huge fan base supporting Mark on his quest.
Cheers - and best hopes to you, Mark. Please keep us up to date.
/greyhackles
Frank - 01 Dec 2005 16:51 GMT >>> I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes >>> the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >/greyhackles Interesting as I thought that the IFN "interfered" with the replication process and the Riba is an anti-viral that kills the virus but that might be too simplistic a description.
Gordo Mondragon - 02 Dec 2005 03:05 GMT Hep C seems to become chronic because it can mutate to avoid the human immune system which seems to give up after about 6 months of infection. Injections of interferon force the immune response to continue, and the Riba stops the virus from replicating so it can't mutate. That's the theory.
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> Interesting as I thought that the IFN "interfered" with the replication > process > and the Riba is an anti-viral that kills the virus but that might be too > simplistic > a description. Frank - 02 Dec 2005 13:53 GMT In article <ga_mondragon-538972.22020101122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, ga_mondragon@yahoo.com says...
>Hep C seems to become chronic because it can mutate to avoid the human >immune system which seems to give up after about 6 months of infection. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> simplistic >> a description. So the IFN interferes with mutation. Got it. Thanks.
greyhackles - 02 Dec 2005 15:30 GMT >In article ><ga_mondragon-538972.22020101122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >So the IFN interferes with mutation. Got it. Thanks. ahahahahahaha!
Frank - 02 Dec 2005 21:53 GMT >>In article >><ga_mondragon-538972.22020101122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >ahahahahahaha! You just smoke a Doob GH? ;}
greyhackles - 02 Dec 2005 22:47 GMT >>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:53:42 -0600, HangininThere@verizon.com (Frank) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You just smoke a Doob GH? ;} Wellllll.....Yeah, I confess I was totally herbed at the time. But it's still reads as a pretty funny false ending to the thread :-)
Cheers
/greyhackles
Frank - 03 Dec 2005 01:15 GMT >>>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:53:42 -0600, HangininThere@verizon.com (Frank) >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >/greyhackles Riba Fog here. I keep my driver's license in my pocket just in case someone asks me my name. ;}
Gordo Mondragon - 02 Dec 2005 16:39 GMT > In article > <ga_mondragon-538972.22020101122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > So the IFN interferes with mutation. Got it. Thanks. Not really....
IFN: stimulates the immune system to keep looking for the and killing the virus Riba: prevents the virus from replicating, and when it doesn't replicate it doesn't mutate
So the Riba holds the virus down while the IFN beats it to death :)
kjoh - 02 Dec 2005 17:31 GMT > So the IFN interferes with mutation. Got it. >Thanks.
>Not really.... >IFN: stimulates the immune system to keep >looking for the and killing >the virus >Riba: prevents the virus from replicating, and >when it doesn't replicate
>it doesn't mutate >So the Riba holds the virus down while the IFN >beats it to death :) ..And the Neupogen circles the perimeter gunning for the lesser intruders... Son of Mozilla.
kj
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 03 Dec 2005 14:45 GMT Re: Starting NM283 Valopicitabine clinical trials Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Dec 2, 2005, 12:31pm (CST+1) From: kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com (kjoh) So the IFN interferes with mutation. Got it. >Thanks. Not really.... IFN: stimulates the immune system to keep >looking for the and killing the virus Riba: prevents the virus from replicating, and >when it doesn't replicate it doesn't mutate So the Riba holds the virus down while the IFN >beats it to death :) .And the Neupogen circles the perimeter gunning for the lesser intruders... Son of Mozilla. kj ////////// Yeah, the interferon molecules are actually little men dressed in yellow leotards that hide out waiting for those pesky viri to come by, then they jump out and club them to death. elmo
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Frank - 02 Dec 2005 21:54 GMT In article <ga_mondragon-827604.11363602122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, ga_mondragon@yahoo.com says...
>> In article >> <ga_mondragon-538972.22020101122005@news-rdr-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >So the Riba holds the virus down while the IFN beats it to death :) OK, now I got it. I think. ;}
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 02 Dec 2005 13:51 GMT Somebody's got to be the guinea pig, hope the stuff does what you want it to. :-) elmo ////////// From reading about Valo<whatever>, it seems to be a more focussed drug in terms of HCV - Ribavirin is, chemically, a more brute force method. My experience with anti-HIV drugs is that they all have radically different side-effects. I'm sure that there are a lot of people here who would be very interested in hearing about the side-effects that you experience (hopefully less than Riba) and how it affects your blood levels. It's not clear why the interferon/riba combo works. The assumption is that the riba reduces the viral activity and ramping up the immune system gets the rest. The assumption is that the riba can be replaced by other drugs that suppress the virus with fewer side-effects. Hopefully that's the case. Please stick around and keep us up to date with how it works! Gordo In article <iblso114nln1tbc4nnomb2j9eaioo0icvg@4ax.com>, Mark <me@home.com> wrote: I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice a day NM283. There are 5 arms of the trial which vary the dose of NM283. This will be my first tx. Is there anyone currently trying this or with past experience with it? They told me the main side is nausea and occasional vomiting. My first visit is this Friday and I will start the tx within 2 weeks afterwards. This is all kind of quick but the cut-off for getting in on the trial is the 15th. Since this is only for first time tx people I thought I should try it before conventional treatment. Any thoughts, concerns, suggestions, or personal experiences you would like to share would be appreciated. Of course I have been googling and reading everything I can about the drug, just don't know much about the details of the trial until this Friday. Mark
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kjoh - 01 Dec 2005 03:30 GMT Hey Mark, this is exciting news for us! I'll spend some time tomorrow searching for some no-too-technical info on valacitabine, and post links.
Best to you, Kathy
buster - 01 Dec 2005 17:31 GMT No suggestions but good luck with the treatment. There are pro's and con's too being part of a "Trial" pro is they are cheap (really cheap) con is they are very regimented hope you don't get the placebo! pro is if we didn't have trials we would all lose out on what works and what doesn't!
Ask Mags about regimented, she may be pulled off a trial cause she cant take procrit or neupogen. Most of in here know that sooner or later you'll have to take one or both before treatment is over.
Kill the dragon Buster
>I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes > the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mark Waterspider - 01 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT hope you don't get the placebo!
I think, in this kind of trial, that different protocols of similar drugs are compared. There would not be a placebo.
WS
Mark - 02 Dec 2005 03:37 GMT No placebo. This one is for varied doses of the NM283. I asked them if they treat for anemia and they said they haven't had problems with that on this medicine. She said the main side effect is nausea. I will find out more at the Dr tomorrow and will post here tomorrow night. Mark
>No suggestions but good luck with the treatment. There are pro's and con's >too being part of a "Trial" [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Mark kjoh - 01 Dec 2005 20:29 GMT >Mark wrote: >I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or >Valopicitabine. It takes the place of ribavirin. >The trial is once a week interferon and twice
>a day NM283. There are 5 arms of the trial which >vary the dose of NM283...Any thoughts, concerns, >suggestions, or personal experiences you would
>like to share would be appreciated. Mark
Hi all: Here is a news article (heavily edited by me) from last may. Note that this study is sponsored by Idenix (makers of NM 283 = valopicitabine) on previously untreated genotype 1 heppers, using Pegintron, and their second phase II study will be larger and use Pegasys. It doesn't look like the same study Mark will be in. Also note that this next study will only run 24 weeks, and one of the 3 tx groups will be restricted to valopicitabine monotherapy, one to NM283 plus Ifn combo, and one to the combo plus ribavirin (ugh). I don't see a classical ‘placebo' group that gets sugar pills. The entire article can be had here: http://www.hepatitisneighborhood.com/
There are also a couple of relevant new (technical) summaries about NM283 at this site: http://www.hcvadvocate.org/news/reports/AASLD_2005/TOC_AASLD_2005_HCV.htm
And recent articles on the status of experimental HCV treatments: http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/hep_c/news/2005/ad/102605_a.html
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=389
Q: to Mark: How long will your tx last?
Snowy here. Kathy
Experimental Drug Combo Tested in Tough-to-Treat Patients John C. Martin 04-27-05
..Doctors in an ongoing Phase 2 clinical trial are testing the combination of valopicitabine (also known by its code name NM283—along with peginterferon alfa-2b (PEG-Intron/Schering-Plough) in a group of patients with the genotype 1 strain of the virus.
Valopicitabine is an oral nucleoside analog that works by inhibiting an enzyme that HCV uses to make copies of itself.
Thirty patients were enrolled in the study, and thus far, nine of them have completed 24 weeks of therapy [...] the patients taking combination therapy have achieved an average reduction in blood levels of HCV RNA by nearly 100 percent...The patients have never been treated before for hepatitis C, and are infected with the genotype 1 strain of the virus.
"This is the first time that we are seeing 24-week data for an antiviral drug directly targeting a specific enzyme of the hepatitis C virus," said Afdhal, who is also chief of Hepatology at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. "These preliminary data are promising, and suggest that direct antiviral drugs, such as valopicitabine, could set a new treatment standard in hepatitis C by offering hepatitis C patients—particularly patients infected with HCV genotype 1—potentially improved clinical benefit with fewer side effects." No serious adverse events have surfaced in the trial so far, according to Nefdhal's team.
The investigators have also found that those in the combination group had better responses to treatment than those taking valopicitabine alone. Those taking valopicitabine and peginterferon alfa-2b at 12 weeks had reductions in viral load, on average, of 99.99% compared to an 86.5% reduction in the group taking valopicitabine alone.
"We are very encouraged by the 24-week antiviral effect reported in patients receiving the combination of valopicitabine and pegylated interferon even though this trial was designed as a drug-drug interaction trial and not to maximize the potential therapeutic response in patients... "We have designed the phase 2b trials to optimize potential outcomes of the combination treatment and we will be able to evaluate the full potential of valopicitabine from these trials."
Idenix initially launched this trial with the smaller number of patients to determine whether there were any drug-to-drug interactions between valopicitabine and pegylated interferon. They didn't expect to see the positive results that followed. "Subsequently, due to the encouraging hepatitis C RNA reductions observed in most patients during the first weeks of the trial in the combination arm," the study was extended, said Jean-Pierre Sommadossi, PhD, Chairman and CEO of Idenix, in a recent conference call to investors.
Idenix is sponsoring a second phase 2 trial to test the combination of valopicitabine and peginterferon alfa-2a (Pegasys/Hoffman LaRoche) compared to standard care in a group of 171 patients with the genotype 1 strain of HCV. There will be three treatment groups in this 24-week trial: valopicitabine monotherapy, valopicitabine plus peginterferon alfa-2a, or peginterferon alfa-2a plus the antiviral medication, ribavirin. Patient enrollment is expected to conclude this summer.
In the meantime, Brown said the next step will be to determine if the patients achieve sustained virological responses (SVR), defined as undetectable viral levels for a minimum of 6 months after treatment ends.
Mark - 02 Dec 2005 04:17 GMT I am not sure if but I believe I was told on the phone it is a full 48 week tx. It is trial # NCT00118768. It is still open but I believe only until Dec 15. Below are some links about the trial but they really don't have much info. I will know more tomorrow
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00118768?order=1
http://www.ctresearch.com/clinical-trial.html?trial_id=NCT00118768
>>Mark wrote: >>I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or >Valopicitabine. It takes [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >patients achieve sustained virological responses (SVR), defined as >undetectable viral levels for a minimum of 6 months after treatment ends. pajaritaflora - 03 Dec 2005 13:34 GMT > I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes > the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mark A thought came to mind immediately when reading your post. Be carefull that if you do get a side effect of vomiting that you do not dehydrate. I can't remember (and maybe someone could help me) if it is the ribavarin or the interferon that causes dehydration. If it is the interferon and you have another drug that may dehydrate you I would be careful. Always have a drink available (non alcoholic lol). I also used pedialite for hydration.
best of luck to you, Mary Ann
Mark - 03 Dec 2005 14:27 GMT >> I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. It takes >> the place of ribavirin. The trial is once a week interferon and twice [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >best of luck to you, >Mary Ann Ok, good point. I will be careful about that. Thanks
Thomas Wagner - 06 Dec 2005 01:19 GMT >I just got in on a clinical trial of NM283 or Valopicitabine. A bit more from the AASLD Conference:
"Valopicitabine Plus Peginterferon Alfa-2a Highly Effective at Suppressing HCV in Peginterferon Plus Ribavirin Nonresponders
Interim results of randomized, open-label, multicenter, phase 2b trial Summary of Key Conclusions Valopicitabine plus peginterferon alfa-2a demonstrated significantly greater anti-HCV activity than retreatment with peginterferon plus ribavirin in nonresponders with chronic hepatitis C Antiviral efficacy of valopicitabine plus peginterferon related to valopicitabine dose 67% of patients receiving valopicitabine (800 mg/day) plus peginterferon achieved > 2-log10 decline in HCV RNA after 12 weeks of treatment Overall acceptable safety and tolerability Gastrointestinal symptoms more common with valopicitabine treatment No viral breakthrough or valopicitabine resistance detected"
A lot more data at http://clinicaloptions.com/Hepatitis/Conference%20Coverage/San%20 Francisco%202005/Capsules/95.aspx?Track=HCV%20Management %20Facing%20New%20Challenges (note: you have to re-assemble all three lines for the complete URL)
Or go to http://clinicaloptions.com/Hepatitis.aspx and select "HCV Management..." under "CCO Independent Conference Coverage", and look for the Valopicitabine title above.
This site requires free registration.
Thomas
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kjoh - 06 Dec 2005 03:26 GMT Thanks for that link, Thomas, it's a keeper, kj
Thomas wrote: A lot more data at http://clinicaloptions.com/Hepatitis/Conference%20Coverage/San%20 Francisco%202005/Capsules/95.aspx?Track=HCV%20Management %20Facing%20New%20Challenges (note: you have to re-assemble all three lines for the complete URL)
>Or go to >http://clinicaloptions.com/Hepatitis.aspx >and select "HCV >Management..." under "CCO Independent Conference >Coverage", and look for
>the Valopicitabine title above. >This site requires free registration. >Thomas
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