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How I feel on Day 6

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mags - 05 Oct 2005 22:58 GMT
Well this is an experience I must say.  I have come to the conclusion that I
will start feeling bad about 1 hour after I take my riba pills.  The dull
head ache I can live with.  It's my eyes that bother me - I seem to be
extremely sensitive to light.  I get home from work and lie in the dark to
rest my eyes.  Thinking is interesting as well.  I really have to
concentrate on what I am doing or I will forget.  I feel fatigued but keep
pushing through it and it is amazing that I can do this.  My whole day
exists of keeping preoccupied so I do not succumb to these symptoms.

How are you doing out there Rock??

Mags
kjoh - 05 Oct 2005 23:57 GMT
Hi Mags, good to see your post.  I've been thinking about you.  I had a
real bad time with photosensitive eyes for the first few months of tx.  It
has cleared up quite a bit.  My eyes got so crummy looking that I got some
very dark sunglasses and some pale-tinted glasses to wear indoors so I
didn't look so scary.  I had to pay more attention to keeping the area
around my eyes clean,too,  which helps.  I use a mild olive oil based soap
and gently wash my eyelashes with the palms of my hands.  Gooky eye stuff
is a common side effect.  Ribavirin ruins my day too. I can feel it kick
in about an hour after I take it.  but all in all, the side effects have
diminished considerably over time.  I have my eyes checked every 3 months
because I had vision problems early in tx.  Today's checkup looks good.
Yay!  No interferon retinopathy "cotton wool" spots.  Just garden-variety
blurry vision side effects.  

Forget about scraping wallpaper for now.  Consider learning to knit.  Join
AARP.  Hold tight.  I can see you're gonna be a scrapper.  We like ya
already.  You too, Rock

Kathy in Montana
into week 34/48
mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:39 GMT
Wow look at you go Kathy!  Your coming down the home stretch.  No gooky eye
stuff yet, just sensitivity.  I bought 1.5 litre bottles of water and
decided I was drinking far under the 3 litre mark and since I have started
drinking more I have less headaches (perhaps dehydration makes your head
aches worse).  I am a scrapper (same meaning in Canada) and I'll be dam if
this gets the better of me!  Have a beautiful red rash on my tummy where I
injected that appeared this morning as well for those looking for symptoms!

Mags
will report in after shot 2

> Hi Mags, good to see your post.  I've been thinking about you.  I had a
> real bad time with photosensitive eyes for the first few months of tx.  It
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> Kathy in Montana
> into week 34/48
kjoh - 05 Oct 2005 23:59 GMT
Oh Mags, by *scrapper* I mean *fighter* ... american slang that might not
translate well... no offense intended :)

kj
Rock - 06 Oct 2005 00:49 GMT
> Well this is an experience I must say.  I have come to the conclusion that I
> will start feeling bad about 1 hour after I take my riba pills.  The dull
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>
> Mags

   Mags, funny you mention that. I have a cold wet towel on my head as I
type this. I just took mine about 1 1/2 hours ago and I'm get that warm/hot
and sweaty feeling and the dull headache that seems to accompany it. One
Tylenol and it seems to last for a few hours and subsides usually. On the
other hand I seem to feel a bit poor about every other day  since two days
after my first shot and this seems to come and go through the day. I'm
wondering if this is from the pegasys?

   Yesterday was the worst of the two and kind of felt like mild flu
symptoms with achy muscles and joints. Nothing we can't handle though. I
agree keeping occupied is the best way to go. I haven't missed any work
because of it, so that's a plus. Friday is not far so we will see what kind
of effect #2 will have this weekend. My Doc told me the first month or even
the first few shots are usually the worst. Bring on #2. Mags, hope you have
a easier time this weekend. I'm getting the stack of blankets out just in
case  : < )
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 06 Oct 2005 13:55 GMT

Re: How I feel on Day 6  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2005, 7:49pm (CDT+1)
From: rock@nospam.com (Rock)
"mags" <chillnil@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:SZCdnXA1WNwR0dneRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
Well this is an experience I must say. I have come to the conclusion
that I will start feeling bad about 1 hour after I take my riba pills.
The dull head ache I can live with. It's my eyes that bother me - I seem
to be extremely sensitive to light. I get home from work and lie in the
dark to rest my eyes. Thinking is interesting as well. I really have to
concentrate on what I am doing or I will forget. I feel fatigued but
keep pushing through it and it is amazing that I can do this. My whole
day exists of keeping preoccupied so I do not succumb to these symptoms.
How are you doing out there Rock??
Mags
        Mags, funny you mention that. I have a cold wet
towel on my head as I type this. I just took mine about 1 1/2 hours ago
and I'm get that warm/hot and sweaty feeling and the dull headache that
seems to accompany it. One Tylenol and it seems to last for a few hours
and subsides usually. On the other hand I seem to feel a bit poor about
every other day since two days after my first shot and this seems to
come and go through the day. I'm wondering if this is from the pegasys?
        Yesterday was the worst of the two and kind of
felt like mild flu symptoms with achy muscles and joints. Nothing we
can't handle though. I agree keeping occupied is the best way to go. I
haven't missed any work because of it, so that's a plus. Friday is not
far so we will see what kind of effect #2 will have this weekend. My Doc
told me the first month or even the first few shots are usually the
worst. Bring on #2. Mags, hope you have a easier time this weekend. I'm
getting the stack of blankets out just in case : < )
///////////////
No two weeks will be exactly the same, especially when you get further
into the tx. Some weeks will be pretty good and others won't be.  But
all in all, the stuff is doable.  Keep after it, you two!!
elmo

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mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:42 GMT
Thanks Elmo - we are a tough pair heheeh

Mags

Re: How I feel on Day 6

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2005, 7:49pm (CDT+1)
From: rock@nospam.com (Rock)
Well this is an experience I must say. I have come to the conclusion
that I will start feeling bad about 1 hour after I take my riba pills.
The dull head ache I can live with. It's my eyes that bother me - I seem
to be extremely sensitive to light. I get home from work and lie in the
dark to rest my eyes. Thinking is interesting as well. I really have to
concentrate on what I am doing or I will forget. I feel fatigued but
keep pushing through it and it is amazing that I can do this. My whole
day exists of keeping preoccupied so I do not succumb to these symptoms.
How are you doing out there Rock??
Mags
Mags, funny you mention that. I have a cold wet
towel on my head as I type this. I just took mine about 1 1/2 hours ago
and I'm get that warm/hot and sweaty feeling and the dull headache that
seems to accompany it. One Tylenol and it seems to last for a few hours
and subsides usually. On the other hand I seem to feel a bit poor about
every other day since two days after my first shot and this seems to
come and go through the day. I'm wondering if this is from the pegasys?
Yesterday was the worst of the two and kind of
felt like mild flu symptoms with achy muscles and joints. Nothing we
can't handle though. I agree keeping occupied is the best way to go. I
haven't missed any work because of it, so that's a plus. Friday is not
far so we will see what kind of effect #2 will have this weekend. My Doc
told me the first month or even the first few shots are usually the
worst. Bring on #2. Mags, hope you have a easier time this weekend. I'm
getting the stack of blankets out just in case : < )
///////////////
No two weeks will be exactly the same, especially when you get further
into the tx. Some weeks will be pretty good and others won't be.  But
all in all, the stuff is doable.  Keep after it, you two!!
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:41 GMT
Drink water, water, water Rock.  Buy the biggest container of water you can
find.  I got 1.5 litre bottles at Costco (Sam's Club) and my headaches did
not happen when I drank 3 litres!  Lets see how the weekend goes! Injecting
after my poker game lol!

Mags

>> Well this is an experience I must say.  I have come to the conclusion
>> that
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> a easier time this weekend. I'm getting the stack of blankets out just in
> case  : < )
Randy Thomas - 06 Oct 2005 02:14 GMT
this is good, Mag.....  beginning of treatment documentation of what a
patient (fellow hepper) goes thru. Please keep on with the reports. This
will help some of us understand about these matters. Be as descriptive
as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
ash-c! Randy
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 06 Oct 2005 13:57 GMT

Re: How I feel on Day 6 To Mag  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2005, 9:14pm (CDT+1)
From: HotandHumid111@webtv.net (Randy Thomas)
this is good, Mag..... beginning of treatment documentation of what a
patient (fellow hepper) goes thru. Please keep on with the reports. This
will help some of us understand about these matters. Be as descriptive
as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
ash-c! Randy
////////////
Maybe so....and maybe not.  ahahahaha

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doogie - 06 Oct 2005 14:21 GMT
Yes, I will follow with interest all you have the time and/or inclination to
post.  I need to start treatment within the next six months or so.    doogie

Please keep on with the reports. This
will help some of us understand about these matters. Be as descriptive
as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
ash-c! Randy
mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:45 GMT
I will cover it all for you in a weekly journal!

Mags
> Yes, I will follow with interest all you have the time and/or inclination
> to post.  I need to start treatment within the next six months or so.
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> as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
> ash-c! Randy
mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:44 GMT
Head Aches gone today but red rash appeared on injection site.  My hep nurse
told me to alternate injection sites on the sides of my tummy then my legs.
I think there would be less pain when you inject your legs but I will let
you know.  Another thing is you get the taste of riba pills in your mouth
and it permeates through your skin.  What a putrid taste/smell.  I have no
desire for a glass of wine - and I love my wine.  I was wondering how I
would do with that issue.

Mags
> this is good, Mag.....  beginning of treatment documentation of what a
> patient (fellow hepper) goes thru. Please keep on with the reports. This
> will help some of us understand about these matters. Be as descriptive
> as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
> ash-c! Randy
Gordo Mondragon - 07 Oct 2005 01:38 GMT
I shot into the skin on the top of my thighs with no redness.  One time
in the belly and I got a big red blotch.  

Ice cream sandwiches (vanilla inside, chocolate outside) were good
mouth-clearers for me.  Also a non-alcohol mouthwash - Biotene was good,
it helps keep your mouth non-dry.  I didn't notice a lot of taste from
the riba, though.

I enjoyed smelling a good red wine even when I couldn't have any.

> Head Aches gone today but red rash appeared on injection site.  My hep nurse
> told me to alternate injection sites on the sides of my tummy then my legs.
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> > as you can. And, thank you for your posting. This will be good for
> > ash-c! Randy
greyhackles - 07 Oct 2005 02:06 GMT
>Head Aches gone today but red rash appeared on injection site.  My hep nurse
>told me to alternate injection sites on the sides of my tummy then my legs.
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>desire for a glass of wine - and I love my wine.  I was wondering how I
>would do with that issue.

Your hep nurse is correct. Four injection sites will help moderate any
localized sides from the shots. I tried to go with just left and right belly,
thought I had it knocked, and then around Week 42 developed a skin ulcer in
the middle of my left belly shot zone due to a fully developed
hypersensitivity to the Peg. Doc took one look and said that was it for the
belly shots, so I had to go the rest of the way alternating between left and
right thigh, which I found *way* awkward compared to the belly shots, but
certainly doable. If I had been using all four zones all along, it's likely I
wouldn't have had the ulcer.

As for the senses of taste and smell: mine went into major overdrive, and it
became nearly debilitating. Eventually, I could not be around people wearing
scented products without experiencing high levels of nausea, and there were
all kinds of daily situations that suddenly became challenging because of what
I perceived at the time as overwhelming odor.

If you want to plan for that possible eventuality in advance, go through your
daily routine looking for things that carry significant odor, and consider
finding a scent-free version for each to use while in therapy. Things like
bath soaps, deodorants, hair sprays, skin creams - even dishwasher powder
(there was nothing that made me sicker than being in the kitchen while the
dishwasher was running).

Other than that last one, I was able to find "unscented" versions of
everything I needed - and I avoided everything else as best as possible, or
invoked "kingly" powers to make it go away (eg: my youngest son had to go
without Brute for 12 months, but he and his girlfriend got over it ;-)

Alcohol consumption should be out of the question while on tx, so the wine
issue should be moot for some time to come.

But you're totally right about the water consumption, and you're good to
recognize you really need to consider fresh water to be your constant
companion. I had bottles strategically located in our cars, my office, and all
through the house, so I always had one within reach. And they were sorely
needed when the dehydration was at its peak.

There was a formula that expressed how many *additional* ounces of water (over
and above the "normal amount") that should be consumed while on therapy. Mine
worked out to 110 ounces above the normal amount - so maybe it was a
half-ounce per pound of bodyweight. On top of the 8 to 10 "glasses" of water
we're supposed to drink, that's totals up to a heck of a lot of water each
day.

And it has to be water or some other "clear liquid". Things with bubbles don't
count, soda and the like may actually aggravate dehydration...

Anyway...(geeze, sorry, I got bonged and it always makes me wordy) you're off
to a classic start, with any luck your sides will stay within the typical
scope most have experienced, so there'll always be plenty of help whenever you
have a question.

Cheers

/greyhackles
John Frykman - 07 Oct 2005 21:54 GMT
Not to question your expertise on water, but why on earth would CO2
dissolved in water rather than plain make any difference to your system?
The CO2 never enters your system--it goes out of solution before your system
can absorb it.

I've heard this statement before, and no one has ever been able to come up
with a scientific explanation for the no-no on bubbles.  Until I do, I'll
keep drinking my soda water.  It's much easier for me to drink than plain
water.

>>Head Aches gone today but red rash appeared on injection site.  My hep
>>nurse
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>
> /greyhackles
greyhackles - 08 Oct 2005 00:32 GMT
>Not to question your expertise on water, but why on earth would CO2
>dissolved in water rather than plain make any difference to your system?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>keep drinking my soda water.  It's much easier for me to drink than plain
>water.

Short answer: I suspect it's not how the bubbles are produced, but rather,
that soft drinks usually contain sodium as well...

Cheers

/greyhackles
Gordo Mondragon - 08 Oct 2005 00:34 GMT
I think that what is bad about "soda" is the sugar and caffeine.

The only issue with carbonated water is that it's more acidic and if you
have problems with acid stomach or you have weak teeth you might do some
harm.

I remember on treatment one of the things I liked was the real strong
mineral waters - there's a german brand that comes in glass bottles that
I particularly liked, Gerolsteiner, I think.  Enough salt that it
hydrated me well and the strong fizziness seemed very refreshing and
mouth-cleaning.

As much water as you're supposed to drink I think it might be good to
switch off.  Drinking too much non-salty water can be really bad for
you, too, and is the usual cause of problems with people who have issues
with drugs like extasy.

> Not to question your expertise on water, but why on earth would CO2
> dissolved in water rather than plain make any difference to your system?
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> >
> > /greyhackles
greyhackles - 08 Oct 2005 18:24 GMT
>I think that what is bad about "soda" is the sugar and caffeine.

doh! <smacks forehead>
You're right, Gordo, *caffeine* is the diurectic, not the sodium.

/greyhackles
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 06 Oct 2005 02:32 GMT
cheap sunglasses, ya know.

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Gordo Mondragon - 06 Oct 2005 02:41 GMT
> Well this is an experience I must say.  I have come to the conclusion that I
> will start feeling bad about 1 hour after I take my riba pills.  The dull
> head ache I can live with.  It's my eyes that bother me - I seem to be
> extremely sensitive to light.  I get home from work and lie in the dark to
> rest my eyes.  Thinking is interesting as well.  I really have to
> concentrate on what I am doing or I will forget.

I got really good at keeping lists.  Trying to remember a list of things
to do was really difficult.

Also, watch for the Riba Rage.  Tell good friends to let you know when
you're acting out of line because it might happen.  It will seem quite
reasonable to you but you have to trust them.

> I feel fatigued but keep
> pushing through it and it is amazing that I can do this.  My whole day
> exists of keeping preoccupied so I do not succumb to these symptoms.

Slow and steady worked for me.  

Gordo.
mags - 07 Oct 2005 00:46 GMT
Thanks Gordo - I am already forgetting where my lists are lol.  I think I am
still in a good mood but hell its only one week - stay tuned!

Mags

>> Well this is an experience I must say.  I have come to the conclusion
>> that I
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>
> Gordo.
Gordo Mondragon - 07 Oct 2005 01:33 GMT
I am an extremely agreeable person, I will almost always walk away
instead of fighting (what's the point?) but there was one day, about a
month into treatment as I remember, where I started feeling RAGEFUL.  It
was the weirdest thing.  I'd never felt anything like that before.   I
was typing emails and my partner - whose desk in the same room as mine
but the room is l-shaped so he can't see me from where he is - said "Are
you OK?  You're scaring me and I can't even see you."  Just from the
sound of my typing he could tell.

I went downstairs and popped a Xanax.  1/2 hour later I was about to
draw blood from biting my tounge from saying mean, awful things for no
reason at all.  I started arguments with people here.  And then I
discovered that if I smoked some green stuff it went away completely.  
Me and that green stuff stayed friends during treatment.

Maybe other people who worked during treatment can give you hints for
recognizing and controlling the rage when and if it happens.  Like many
of the mental side effects (which are not guaranteed, it's a crapshoot)
there was nothing in my experience to prepare me for it.  At least you
know what causes it.

Keeping busy at a moderate pace seems to be the best way to get through
the day.

G

> Thanks Gordo - I am already forgetting where my lists are lol.  I think I am
> still in a good mood but hell its only one week - stay tuned!
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> >
> > Gordo.
 
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