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What's So Special About "Jesus"?

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Alias.. - 28 Mar 2005 01:37 GMT
What's So Special About "Jesus"? Nothing. Everything supposedly attributed
to "Jesus" and everything that Christians tout as special and unique about
him had already been done many times before.

- He rose from the dead ~ big deal, so had others before him.
- He performed miracles ~ nothing new in that, it had already been done by
many others.
- He raised people from the dead ~ so what, so had some of the Old Testament
prophets.
- He healed ~ that's old news and had been accomplished by so many others.
- He was said to be the "Son of God" ~ just like so many others claimed to
be.
- He was "born of a virgin" ~ just like so many others.
- He was reported crucified ~ just like so many others.

What makes "Jesus" stand out from the crowd of other godmen, saviours and
messiahs? Many have claimed to be the savior but if this one really was the
"one and only" where are the concrete, testable proofs that substantiate his
credentials? Christian assertions, wishful thinking and subjective
experiences prove nothing unless you wish to believe. Anyone can claim to be
the Messiah, and many have.

"Jesus" said little that was new or worthwhile. He introduced no new
concepts to ethics apart from hell. He instituted no social programmes
although if, as many of his followers believe, he was the "Son of God" or
"God made flesh" and not just an invented character, he would have known
much more about science, biology or medicine, but he appeared ignorant of
such things.

"When we say that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced
without sexual union, and that He, "Jesus Christ", our Teacher, was
crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound
nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons
of Jupiter." Apology 21 by Justin Martyr

He did not leave behind any writings, nor did any of his contemporaries. All
claims of "Jesus" derive from hearsay accounts and there is no physical
evidence to support the claim of a historical Jesus; no artifacts or self
written documents.

There are no contemporary Roman records to prove that Pontius Pilate
executed a man named "Jesus". Unfortunately for the Christian faith there is
not even a single contemporary writing that mentions "Jesus".

All the documents pertaining to him were written at least 30 years the death
of the alleged "Jesus" and are from either unknown authors, people who had
never met the earthly "Jesus", or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical
writings. Many have been proven to be outright fabrications, pious frauds or
interpolations derived from hearsay accounts and can not possibly serve as
reliable evidence for a historical "Jesus".

Even the sparse and contradictory histories and genealogies of "Jesus"
contradict each other and themselves in many places.

- The birth of "Jesus" is depicted as having taken place at different times.
- Mark does not mention his birth or childhood.
- Matthew and Luke claim that he was "born of a virgin," his lineage is
traced to the House of David through Joseph, such that he may "fulfill
prophecy", but the genealogies in Mark and Luke contradict each other.
- He is said in the first three gospels to have taught for one year before
his death, while John says three years.
- Matthew reports that "The Sermon on the Mount" was given by "Jesus" to
"the multitudes". Luke contradicts this by saying that it was a private talk
given only to the disciples.
- The accounts of his Passion and Resurrection differ utterly from each
other, and no one states how old he was when he died.
- Paul never knew "Jesus" and has almost nothing to say about the historical
Jesus ~ he's all about the risen Christ.
- Paul fails to mention Jesus' sayings and doings even when doing so would
boost his arguments
- Most Gospel stories are copied from Pagan myths and are standard for
aspiring god-men.
- Virgin birth, resurrection, changing water into wine, healing the sick,
raising the dead, etc. pre-date Christianity by centuries.

You would think that such an important event as the birth of "The Messiah",
"The Son of God", "The Saviour of Mankind", etc. would be recorded in
exacting detail with his life and times noted with meticulous detail.

Could it be that the confusion exists because over the centuries Christians
plagiarists were attempting to boost the importance of their beliefs by
combining practically every myth, fairytale, legend, or bit of wisdom they
could steal from innumerable different mystery religions that were competing
for converts? In the process they stole, adapted, re-interpreted, changed,
amalgamated, forged, interpolated, mutilated and rewrote these texts for
centuries.

There are no first hand non-biblical references to "Jesus".

Flavius Josephus's Antiquities is a favourite source that many Christians
quote to prove the historical existance of "Jesus" because in his
Antiquities there are two references to Jesus.
He was only reporting the second hand myths and legends as told by
Christians. There are no original manuscripts of Josepheus' writings
remaining. The copies that do remain were made by Christian monks. Perhaps
they were offended because there was no mention of "Jesus" and decided to
add the references in order to validate their belief.

The apparently admirable comments of Josephus concerning "Jesus" are so out
of character with the rest his writings and it seems quite obvious from from
the general tone of the rest of his work that he was not a Christian, and
had little or no sympathy for the Christian world view.
Many serious scholars hold the opinion that Josepheus's writings have been
embellished to boost the Christians claims about "Jesus", leading some
scholars to question whether this passage from Josepheus was totally
fabricated by the copyists.

It seems very odd that an event of such significence and so important to the
destiny of mankind was not recorded by any of the writers living during the
time it supposedly occurred.
There is nothing in any of the works of the writers that were around at the
time, or just after, "Jesus" allegedly was born, preached, was crucified and
resurrected.

It seems very odd that an event of such significence and so important to the
destiny of mankind was not recorded by a single writer living during the
time it occurred.

http://www.worldzone.net/family/johnanderson/indexz31.shtml
Douglas - 28 Mar 2005 02:32 GMT
OBTW Alias.....ho..hum....     Doug
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> What's So Special About "Jesus"? Nothing. Everything supposedly attributed
> to "Jesus" and everything that Christians tout as special and unique about
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Alias - 28 Mar 2005 03:39 GMT
> OBTW Alias.....ho..hum....     Doug

Ho hum? Is this supposed to be clever and cute?

Alias
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Douglas - 28 Mar 2005 03:45 GMT
.....bored.....       Doug

>> OBTW Alias.....ho..hum....     Doug
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Alias - 28 Mar 2005 11:00 GMT
> .....bored.....       Doug

Yaknow, that's one thing that I never get is bored. You being a Christian
and all, one would think that Easter would be a very exciting time for you,
hunting all those easter eggs.

Alias

>>> OBTW Alias.....ho..hum....     Doug
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Cactus Jammies - 28 Mar 2005 04:27 GMT
When I reset my filters to exclude this fella, I noticed that it has been 17
name changes since the first I ever set things up for him.  He should feel
select I suppose, because he was the first non-spambot that I killfiled.
Seventeen changes for him since November, I think it was.  Almost as thick
as the bible pounders but they claim this time of year for their own yarns
only.  Coca Cola corporation owns Chrissmas.  So I can tolerate that until
the whollie ghillie finds home.  Should be any day now, figger.

Auditions for the 2005 Maypole Flouncing Flingaree will be held in the beer
garden,  Tough T*tty bar and grisle. On Ruby Tuesday.  Only the Virtuous
need apply.

8-)

cactus jammies
+++++++++++++++++ fish sign ++++++++++

>> OBTW Alias.....ho..hum....     Doug
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JV - 28 Mar 2005 05:45 GMT
Oh my goodness CJ would you mind forwarding them for my on going Psycho
Analysis consolidation essay on the feller. Seems like a real bad case
of a aliasncognito. There is always a deep rooted and profound reasons
for 17 different addys?????????????????
An investigation will be in order. I even think a second opinion is
necessary from Dr. Killborne next door in sci.fiction ng.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  Glad your feeling so playful I am
                                 Juanita


Alias - 28 Mar 2005 11:33 GMT
> Oh my goodness CJ would you mind forwarding them for my on going Psycho
> Analysis consolidation essay on the feller. Seems like a real bad case
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>   Glad your feeling so playful I am
>                                  Juanita

Making fun of someone with lies is funny to you? You're the sicko, Juanita,
but I am sure the other sickos here will be happy to let you into the In
Group, what with you dissing me, their favorite whipping post.

Alias
Cactus Jammies - 28 Mar 2005 19:22 GMT
Juanita!
You gonna get this paper put in the Lancet or just the JAMA, that rolling ad
for little blue pills?  Nothing could be a better plan for selling goods to
stress laden low libido male population than by suddenly discovering another
sixty thousand miles left on their tired old tires.  The marketing
demographics for this is bound to become, in terms of  western european and
north american cultrual development, equivalent of the veneration of the
statue of Ozymandius in ancient days.

cactus jammies
1) seriously avoiding laying sonic tonic trax eating fine, thanks for
asking, other end works pretty good.  anemia is abaiting for now.

2) look on me ye mighty and despair!

3) Second Law of Robotics

4) Raiding the covens and klaverns of your mind with my version of the Wall
of Sound.  Big sound.  Big Big sound.

> Oh my goodness CJ would you mind forwarding them for my on going Psycho
> Analysis consolidation essay on the feller. Seems like a real bad case
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>   Glad your feeling so playful I am
>                                  Juanita
Alias - 28 Mar 2005 11:10 GMT
> When I reset my filters to exclude this fella, I noticed that it has been
> 17 name changes since the first I ever set things up for him.  He should
> feel select I suppose, because he was the first non-spambot that I
> killfiled. Seventeen changes for him since November, I think it was.

So, are you my biographer now? You've counted them? How sick is that?

>  Almost as thick as the bible pounders but they claim this time of year
> for their own yarns only.  Coca Cola corporation owns Chrissmas.  So I can
> tolerate that until the whollie ghillie finds home.  Should be any day
> now, figger.

Huh? Is English your native language?

> Auditions for the 2005 Maypole Flouncing Flingaree will be held in the
> beer garden,  Tough T*tty bar and grisle. On Ruby Tuesday.  Only the
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>
> cactus jammies

Oh, how clever and witty of you!

Alias
> +++++++++++++++++ fish sign ++++++++++
>
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>>>> http://www.worldzone.net/family/johnanderson/indexz31.shtml
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk - 28 Mar 2005 14:33 GMT
Never a good sign when we have an anonymous poster.

> What's So Special About "Jesus"? Nothing.

Your effort to write this post tells us otherwise, at least in your
opinion.

> Everything supposedly attributed
> to "Jesus" and everything that Christians tout as special and unique about
> him had already been done many times before.

Tired retread of long-exploded 'dying god' myth noted. Where are you
copying this from?

> - He rose from the dead ~ big deal, so had others before him.

Like who?

> - He performed miracles ~ nothing new in that, it had already been done by
> many others.

Document some of them, with evidence that they really did.

> - He raised people from the dead ~ so what, so had some of the Old Testament
> prophets.

So, Jesus is Elijah?  Or Elijah is Jesus?  Which is it?  And prove it.

> - He healed ~ that's old news and had been accomplished by so many others.
> - He was said to be the "Son of God" ~ just like so many others claimed to
> be.
> - He was "born of a virgin" ~ just like so many others.
> - He was reported crucified ~ just like so many others.

'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'

I shan't need to go to the pet-shop for a parrot: I have you.

What kind of pathetic argument is this?

> "Jesus" said little that was new or worthwhile.

Compared to the founders of your own religious position -- conformity
to societal values?  That's a laugh.

> "When we say that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced
> without sexual union, and that He, "Jesus Christ", our Teacher, was
> crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound
> nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons
> of Jupiter." Apology 21 by Justin Martyr

Quote-mine noted.  Justin is not addressing this issue: he is pleading
not to be executed for being a member of a dangerous cult.  Isn't it
interesting that dishonesty has to be used here?

> He did not leave behind any writings, nor did any of his contemporaries.

Nonsense.

> There are no contemporary Roman records to prove that Pontius Pilate
> executed a man named "Jesus".

There are no contemporary Roman records to prove that Pontius Pilate
existed.  There is a piece of masonry; but of course you'll say that
this is a forgery, or something.

> Unfortunately for the Christian faith there is
> not even a single contemporary writing that mentions "Jesus".

Contemporary meaning in the 30's AD?  Just what ancient literature
exists from that period, that mentions *anyone*?

The usual bogus 'contemporary' fraud!

> All the documents pertaining to him were written at least 30 years the death
> of the alleged "Jesus" and are from either unknown authors, people who had
> never met the earthly "Jesus", or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical
> writings. Many have been proven to be outright fabrications, pious frauds or
> interpolations derived from hearsay accounts and can not possibly serve as
> reliable evidence for a historical "Jesus".

Nonsense.

> Even the sparse and contradictory histories and genealogies of "Jesus"
> contradict each other and themselves in many places.

Argument from vituperation -- how pathetic.  Any two accounts can be
rubbished like this.  But, hey, it's not as if you're offering anything
for your own hopeless conformity, eh?

> - Most Gospel stories are copied from Pagan myths and are standard for
> aspiring god-men.

'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'
'just like so many others'

You're doing the parrot act again.

> There are no first hand non-biblical references to "Jesus".

'There are no accounts except by people I have decided to exclude'
Yeah, sure.

> Flavius Josephus's Antiquities is a favourite source that many Christians
> quote to prove the historical existance of "Jesus" because in his
> Antiquities there are two references to Jesus.

Awkward for the brain-dead, isn't it?

> He was only reporting the second hand myths and legends as told by
> Christians.

Evidence?  Of course, you just made that up.

> There are no original manuscripts of Josepheus' writings
> remaining.

Oh dear.  So every ancient text, in your view, is non-existent?

> The copies that do remain were made by Christian monks. Perhaps
> they were offended because there was no mention of "Jesus" and decided to
> add the references in order to validate their belief.

Perhaps you are just lying wildly?

> Many serious scholars

You don't know any.

> hold the opinion that Josepheus's writings have been
> embellished to boost the Christians claims about "Jesus", leading some
> scholars to question whether this passage from Josepheus was totally
> fabricated by the copyists.

And many think this passage authentic.  Most people think it genuine
but corrupt.  The other passage is universally considered authentic.

> It seems very odd that ... [speculation snipped]
> There is nothing in any of the works of the writers that were around at the
> time, or just after, "Jesus" allegedly was born, preached, was crucified and
> resurrected.

Which writers would those be?

This post is just a pathetic shed-load of self-serving lies.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
Alias - 28 Mar 2005 16:08 GMT
No, I didn't write it. I posted it. If you have any problems with it,
contact the author at

http://www.worldzone.net/family/johnanderson/indexz31.shtml

I didn't say whether I agreed with it or not so all your debating, well, was
in vain.

Alias

> Never a good sign when we have an anonymous poster.
>
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>
> Roger Pearse
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk - 28 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT
> No, I didn't write it. I posted it.

You think you're not responsible for what you post?  Do explain.

> I didn't say whether I agreed with it or not so all your debating, well, was
> in vain.

Of course.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
sharon - 30 Mar 2005 02:08 GMT
Some body's been watchin tv, but you do not have all your facts, as
usual.  Sharon
 
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