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bama - 24 Mar 2005 16:48 GMT hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new
i've had hep c for about 2 or 3 years and haven't sought any serious therapy or treatment for it but from what i know interferon isn't for me since a) i still drink at times b) i have major depression already and c) a tendancy toward psychosis .. not to mention i like my hair...
so my question is, whats a simple herbal regimin that is affordable that will help reduce viral load and inflammation?
thanks in advance and again sorry if this was recently covered....
~bama~
Russ - 24 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT Hi and welcome.
Now, get real. Drinking alcohol is just going to make things worse.
Are you on anti-depressants? If not why?
> I've had hep c for about 2 or 3 years I'm not sure what your saying here, you were diagnosed 2 or 3 years ago? Or you know for certain you contracted the virus in that time frame?
How old are you? Have you had a biopsy? Geno type? Viral load? ALT and AST scores?
We can't help you without some more information. I'm glad your here, there is a lot of good knowledge here.
Oh, and your hair won't fall out from treatment. Mine got brittle and "colorless" but is fine today as it was before treatment.
> so my question is, what's a simple herbal regimen that is affordable that > will help reduce viral load and inflammation? There isn't anything to reduce your viral load but interferon and ribaviran treatment. Any new treatments are years away.
Milk Thistle is considered a help to the liver. But you can do more by a good diet, less red meats, more veggies, and NO ALCOHOL!!
Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may become a very serious problem for you later on.
Good luck.
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> hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread > messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~bama~ Alias - 24 Mar 2005 17:49 GMT "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote >
> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may > become a very serious problem for you later on. > > Good luck. You have to understand that "Russ" considers himself to be a John Wayne and is Mr Macho. Just ask him, but do it nicely or he will threaten you with physical harm.
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bama - 24 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Alias thanks for the tip ;)
Gordo Mondragon - 24 Mar 2005 20:10 GMT > > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > > >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > thanks for the tip ;) As you can see, some people like to suck newcomers into their drama before they know what's going on. Hopefully you've got enough experience online to recognize a troll.
What Thomas and Russ said is all good. For most people there's no clear formula that you can use to decide whether to treat or not. If it were me, I'd try to work towards getting myself in a position where I had the insurance and possibly the ability to take time off to take the treatment should I need it. It does seem to be better to treat earlier rather than later, but for a disease that can take decades to cause symptoms "sooner" can be a few years.
I do agree with them about not drinking.
Alias - 24 Mar 2005 20:35 GMT >> > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >> >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > before they know what's going on. Hopefully you've got enough > experience online to recognize a troll. Russ constantly reveals that what I said is true. What drama?
Oh, you must mean this:
"As the saying goes, "Be careful of where you point your finger, because you have three pointed right back at you!" and yes ali-a.s, I am and can be the biggest prick and a.shole you would ever meet if we were face to face!!! The guy in the black robe didn't send me to anger management for a year because I was a nice guy!!!!
Russ, reformed prick!! hahahahah
Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to talk."
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yea, he sat on a log and has a stick up his ali-a.s....
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haha, getting ali-a.s mad is like hitting the side of a barn with a 12 gauge shotgun!! LOL..... he must have a little prick and is insecure.... a girlyman for sure..
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cody, your so pathetic.... go get yourself a life somewhere if you know what that is....
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I tried that but he changes his email addy as often as he changes his diapers..... bring it on tater tot, I'll never tire of telling you to f.ck OFF!!!!!!!!
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GO f.ck YOURSELF WITH A LOG a.shole.......... YES THIS IS A f.cking CHAT ROOM, WHAT THE f.ck IS IT TO YOU, YOU SOME KIND OF INTERNET COP HERE OR WHAT?????
GO AWAY FUCKSTICK....
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Douglas - 24 Mar 2005 21:22 GMT Boy, Hairy-a.s I cant believe you held on to all those little nuggets Russ said about you. You really are stoopid. But it was fun reading them again some and some for the first time. Doug
>>> > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >>> >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to > talk." Douglas - 24 Mar 2005 21:26 GMT If Russ is John Wayne you must be the Yellow Rose Of Texas. Doug . PS. Alias This ain't so much fun anymore too easy you're too stupid just be a nice boy. I'm done rankin you for now.
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>>> > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >>> >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to > talk." Cactus Jammies - 24 Mar 2005 21:52 GMT Hey Doug. just kill file him. his postings are pedantic trivia that have been refuted numerous times professionally. He suffers from brain fever as a result of refusing to treat his HCV. He has become a classic coward. I will now watch as his replies spin into the trash when I down load headers after this. He is compelled to keep up his public torture to try tormenting the rest of us to his level of anguish and suffering. I keep on hoping that he will cut himself and the world some slack so he can settle down and get real with his affliction. I suggest that he move back to the states and get treatment there. I wish that I had the patience to be more encouraging. But I have seen him bounce back from the edge of rational thought a few times in the last four months. So I don't trust how he purports to represent his case.
killfile his stuff. the white coats will catch him soon enough there are ways.
cactus jammies psychoanalysis $ 0.05 Jammie man is in.
> If Russ is John Wayne you must be the Yellow Rose Of Texas. Doug > . [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to >> talk." Douglas - 24 Mar 2005 22:14 GMT Sounds like a good idea! It's so much fun to jump in the puddles though.... I've been actually laughing out loud at his brain fever antics..... But it's time to put him out of his misery and run him over with Russ's pickup truck... Alas Alack never to be heard from again.... Poor Alias sinking under the ocean waves ... crawling back into primordial slime from whence he came......... farewell Alias, ..........Doug . ;
> Hey Doug. > just kill file him. his postings are pedantic trivia that have been [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>> to >>> talk." Russ - 25 Mar 2005 02:42 GMT I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his foolishness.....
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> Hey Doug. > just kill file him. his postings are pedantic trivia that have been refuted [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > >> Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to > >> talk." JV - 25 Mar 2005 03:29 GMT Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 4:42pm (PST-1) From: sourdo55 at yahoo.com (Russ) I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his foolishness.....
 Signature Russ ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬ Computers, he has nothing better to do he a geek BSing in Spain in a country of Catholics which he hates, with a computer business. Just dosent make sense how he could stand living there around all those people that believe in God. Isnt there a island for him.????? That needs computers. :) JV
Alias - 25 Mar 2005 11:20 GMT Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 4:42pm (PST-1) From: sourdo55 at yahoo.com (Russ) I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his foolishness.....
 Signature Russ ?????????????????????????????? Computers, he has nothing better to do he a geek BSing in Spain in a country of Catholics which he hates, with a computer business. Just dosent make sense how he could stand living there around all those people that believe in God. Isnt there a island for him.????? That needs computers. :>) JV <<<
Once again, you speak what you do not know. I do not have a computer business. I am not a geek. I was an athlete in high school and college. Computing is a recent hobby of mine. I do not hate Catholics or Christians, for that matter. In fact, I don't hate anyone, although I may make an exception for Bush :-). I do find, however, that Catholics are much more open to Buddhism than your JesusLand rednecks, as they aren't open to anything new to them. Allow me enlighten you to a very common (they even say it on network TV during the day when children can watch) Spanish saying and see if you can explain it, based on the false drivel you posted in this message: "Me cago en Dios" (I sh.t on God). Explain that, Ms Amateur Pyschiatrist.
I do think that people who believe in a god that doesn't exist are naive and foolish. Even though that offends the likes of Elmo the Amateur Doctor, that doesn't mean I *hate* people who are foolish enough to believe in a non existant god. I also don't have much respect for the likes of people like Russ who can only scream obscenities when their warm and fuzzy false world is exposed.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 15:55 GMT Even though that offends the likes of Elmo the Amateur Doctor, ...... <snip> Cody (Professional a.shole) ///////////////// Enough is enough. ahahaahahahaha
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Alias. - 25 Mar 2005 16:16 GMT > Even though that offends the likes of Elmo the Amateur Doctor, ...... > <snip> > Cody (Professional a.shole) > ///////////////// > Enough is enough. ahahaahahahaha All ya gotta do to get me to lay off you, Elmo, is apologize for what you've done.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 Mar 2005 01:41 GMT Re: new to group killfile works reduces chafing Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 4:16pm (CST+7) From: me@privacy.net (Alias.) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:24934-42442662-494@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net... Even though that offends the likes of Elmo the Amateur Doctor, ...... <snip> Cody (Professional a.shole) ///////////////// Enough is enough. ahahaahahahaha Elmo /////// All ya gotta do to get me to lay off you, Elmo, is apologize for what you've done. Aliass /////////// ahahahahahahah!!!!! Go f.ck yourself! Elmo
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Alias. - 26 Mar 2005 02:17 GMT > Re: new to group killfile works reduces chafing > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ahahahahahahah!!!!! Go f.ck yourself! > Elmo What would Jesus think? Yaknow, I saw on NBC news today that 54% of the American public believe in Adam and Eve instead of evolution.
Now that's sad, the USA reverting back to the 18th century, yet possessing WMDs up the wing wang. Next thing Bush will do is blow up the world and call it armageddon (and therefore predicted by the Bible) right before he pushes the button and the wild eyed Christians clap.
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Douglas - 26 Mar 2005 05:29 GMT > What would Jesus think? Yaknow, I saw on NBC news today that 54% of the > American public believe in Adam and Eve instead of evolution. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alias I think Jesus would say you are a fool and a trouble maker and to forgive you and ignore you. It's hard to read through the postings and ignore you but I guess that's what I'll do. As Thip said "don't feed the trolls". Doug
Alias - 26 Mar 2005 11:06 GMT >> What would Jesus think? Yaknow, I saw on NBC news today that 54% of the >> American public believe in Adam and Eve instead of evolution. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I think Jesus would say you are a fool and a trouble maker and to forgive > you and ignore you. You speak for Jesus?
> It's hard to read through the postings and ignore you but I guess that's > what I'll do. As Thip said "don't feed the trolls". Doug You can't respond to what I say so, in true Christian fashion, you insult me and go off in a self righteous huff. I have hep C. Have had it for a long time. I therefore qualify to post here. The fact that what I post is not about farts, music or any of the warm and fuzzy non controversial topics makes this hep C sufferer a troll? Please explain.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 Mar 2005 12:34 GMT Re: new to group killfile works reduces chafing Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 11:06am (CST+7) From: me@privacy.net (Alias) "Douglas" <dt12@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:DfednaYkJoOQeNnfRVn-tw@adelphia.com... What would Jesus think? Yaknow, I saw on NBC news today that 54% of the American public believe in Adam and Eve instead of evolution. Now that's sad, the USA reverting back to the 18th century, yet possessing WMDs up the wing wang. Next thing Bush will do is blow up the world and call it armageddon (and therefore predicted by the Bible) right before he pushes the button and the wild eyed Christians clap. Alias I think Jesus would say you are a fool and a trouble maker and to forgive you and ignore you. You speak for Jesus? It's hard to read through the postings and ignore you but I guess that's what I'll do. As Thip said "don't feed the trolls". Doug You can't respond to what I say so, in true Christian fashion, you insult me and go off in a self righteous huff. I have hep C. Have had it for a long time. I therefore qualify to post here. The fact that what I post is not about farts, music or any of the warm and fuzzy non controversial topics makes this hep C sufferer a troll? Please explain. Alias ////////// It's been explained to you on many occasions by a multitude of posters, Cody. It's a waste of time arguing with your rude, inconsiderate self. Suffice to say, you should just go f.ck yourself. Having hepc doesn't entitle you to be a j.rkoff in this NG. On the other hand, making postive contributions...... sh.t, never mind. ahahahahaha Go f.ck yourself Elmo
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Alias - 26 Mar 2005 13:06 GMT > Re: new to group killfile works reduces chafing > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > yourself > Elmo You just did what Cactus did, insult me and go off in a self righteous huff. Do you even realize that you did that?
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Douglas - 26 Mar 2005 17:00 GMT 3 points. End of discussion. Read on. Doug
>> I think Jesus would say you are a fool and a trouble maker and to forgive >> you and ignore you. > > You speak for Jesus? =-=-=- You asked what would Jesus say! nuff said.
You can't respond to what I say so, in true Christian fashion, you insult me
> and go off in a self righteous huff. I have hep C. Have had it for a long > time. I therefore qualify to post here. =-=-=- We have the right to ignore you! nuff said. Doug
The fact that what I post is not
> about farts, music or any of the warm and fuzzy non controversial topics > makes this hep C sufferer a troll? Please explain. > > Alias =-=-=- Did you recent posts about Mother Theresa have something to do with hep C? 'nuff said. Doug
Thip - 26 Mar 2005 02:22 GMT Now Elmo, don't feed the trolls!
> Re: new to group killfile works reduces chafing > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Cactus Jammies - 25 Mar 2005 03:40 GMT he hasn't for a while ever since I proved he was doing that continuously since about the end of November. I got his sorry abracadabra fake addresses all nesting in a file. I don't care if he knows it or not. It is not important to me to be scrupulous about swatting his stuff, it's just a vexation. When I see shreds of his stuff quoted by others, I know I made the right choice. I don't like being hard assed, I like to see people decide for themselves, if they are able.
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>I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every > morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] >> >> >> >> GO AWAY FUCKSTICK.... Gordo Mondragon - 25 Mar 2005 03:46 GMT > I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every > morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his > foolishness..... Like I've said before, I've managed to set it up so I never see his posts. It can be done and it's very much worth the effort.
Russ - 25 Mar 2005 06:17 GMT yes, filters
see my post below
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> > I gave up kill filing Ali-a.s a long time ago, I think he gets up every > > morning and changes his fake email address so everyone can read his > > foolishness..... > > Like I've said before, I've managed to set it up so I never see his > posts. It can be done and it's very much worth the effort. Alias. - 25 Mar 2005 11:22 GMT If you can't respond intelligently, insult the person and hide from him like the true coward that you are.
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> yes, filters > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Like I've said before, I've managed to set it up so I never see his >> posts. It can be done and it's very much worth the effort. Russ - 25 Mar 2005 02:41 GMT awwww, did I hurt your little boy feelings Cody???
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> >> > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > > >> >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Now go back to your sand box like a good boy and leave us adults alone to > talk." Alias - 25 Mar 2005 03:35 GMT > awwww, did I hurt your little boy feelings Cody??? LOL! You wish. How could *anything* you say hurt my feelings?
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>> >> > "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >> >> >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> shotgun!! LOL..... he must have a little prick and is insecure.... a >> girlyman for sure.. bama - 25 Mar 2005 00:19 GMT "Gordo Mondragon"
> What Thomas and Russ said is all good. For most people there's no clear > formula that you can use to decide whether to treat or not. If it were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I do agree with them about not drinking. i've heard the notion of no clear criteria for treatment and that scares me a bit....
as far as being in the right place insurance and work wise, now would be the best time, but i'm scared to sh.t about getting psychotic and depressed since i've been in both those places before....
lol and btw thanks for the tip ;) ;)
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:34 GMT Re: new to group Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 6:19pm (CST+1) From: mjablecki@cox.net (bama) "Gordo Mondragon" What Thomas and Russ said is all good. For most people there's no clear formula that you can use to decide whether to treat or not. If it were me, I'd try to work towards getting myself in a position where I had the insurance and possibly the ability to take time off to take the treatment should I need it. It does seem to be better to treat earlier rather than later, but for a disease that can take decades to cause symptoms "sooner" can be a few years. I do agree with them about not drinking. i've heard the notion of no clear criteria for treatment and that scares me a bit.... as far as being in the right place insurance and work wise, now would be the best time, but i'm scared to sh.t about getting psychotic and depressed since i've been in both those places before.... lol and btw thanks for the tip ;) ;) /////// There is no clear criteria to treat for several good reasons, no two hepc cases are exactly the same. Doing the treatment takes a pretty big committment on the part of the patient to adhere to the regimen. Most docs wouldn't think about starting you on the tx if they weren't convinced you would do your best to keep taking the stuff in spite of whatever sides you may develop. Elmo
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Gordo Mondragon - 25 Mar 2005 01:14 GMT > "Gordo Mondragon" > > What Thomas and Russ said is all good. For most people there's no clear [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > i've heard the notion of no clear criteria for treatment and that scares me > a bit.... You get used to it, a little, the whole guinea pig thing. There's lots of research going on though and more and more people being followed so it's not as bad as it might sound. Most people find out they have it when something goes wrong with them, so knowing what it means to find out when things aren't going wrong is still new territory.
> as far as being in the right place insurance and work wise, now would be the > best time, but i'm scared to sh.t about getting psychotic and depressed > since i've been in both those places before.... I got infected last May, turned bright yellow mid-June, started treatment June 25. Treatment during the first 6 months has a much higher success rate, I don't know if that maps to the first couple of years or not. I was looking at a 95% chance of clearing it after six months (but then found out that was based on a study of like 8 people - knowing you have it that early is pretty rare.) I was on the bad side of the mental side effects and couldn't work much, but I took a lot of drugs - mj was very important, and anti-depressants and other stuff to sleep, and I just rode the f.cker out. I left my self-examination and working for insight in a little jar on a top shelf and got through day by day. People around me didn't know most of what was going in my head and that was a good thing. The people in this little group were great cause they understood. There are little dramas but this is one of the most supportive groups of people I've met.
> lol and btw thanks for the tip ;) ;) Sure :)
Douglas - 24 Mar 2005 21:10 GMT Hey Leave Russ alone or I'll sic Randy on you Wailing-a.s. Doug
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> "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > >> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Alias tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:48 GMT No Alias, tell our new friend who really hovers over you like a John Wayne fever! ahahaha! Randy
Russ - 25 Mar 2005 02:39 GMT > You have to understand that "Russ" considers himself to be a John Wayne and > is Mr Macho. Just ask him, but do it nicely or he will threaten you with > physical harm. your words Ali-a.s not mine.............
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> "Russ" <sourdo55 at yahoo.com> wrote > > > Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Alias bama - 24 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT "Russ"
> Are you on anti-depressants? If not why? yes and anti-psychotics
>> I've had hep c for about 2 or 3 years > > I'm not sure what your saying here, you were diagnosed 2 or 3 years ago? > Or > you know for certain you contracted the virus in that time frame? diagnosed 2 or 3 years ago, contracted shortly before that, i'm pretty certain of the moment it happened
> How old are you? Have you had a biopsy? Geno type? Viral load? ALT and AST > scores? 25yrs old... had a biopsy about 2 years ago, mild scarring mild inflammation... i forget the Geno type and haven't had viral load tested in years...
i'm trying to get active in disease managment now b/c i've just been ignoring it for a while and i know thats not smart...
> We can't help you without some more information. I'm glad your here, there > is a lot of good knowledge here. great thanks for the rapid response
> Oh, and your hair won't fall out from treatment. Mine got brittle and > "colorless" but is fine today as it was before treatment. it seems everyone really favors interferon... it scares me
>> so my question is, what's a simple herbal regimen that is affordable that >> will help reduce viral load and inflammation? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Milk Thistle is considered a help to the liver. But you can do more by a > good diet, less red meats, more veggies, and NO ALCOHOL!! *blinks*
> Sorry for sounding so harsh, but if you don't take this seriously it may > become a very serious problem for you later on. s'ok sometimes we need a slap in the face, just not often...
Gordo Mondragon - 24 Mar 2005 20:12 GMT [...]
> it seems everyone really favors interferon... it scares me I don't think that anyone favors it so much as currently there's no other alternative for clearing the virus.
bama - 25 Mar 2005 00:20 GMT see other post...
> [...] > >> it seems everyone really favors interferon... it scares me > > I don't think that anyone favors it so much as currently there's no > other alternative for clearing the virus. Alias - 24 Mar 2005 17:45 GMT > hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread > messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~bama~ Better stop drinking. The only herbal medicine that has shown any real effect is Milk Thistle.
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bama - 24 Mar 2005 17:55 GMT >> hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread >> messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Alias milke thistle it is then :D
Alias - 24 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT > "Alias" <me@privacy.net> wrote >> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > milke thistle it is then :D Drinking is one of the worst things you can do for your liver. Smoke dope instead ;-)
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bama - 24 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT >> "Alias" <me@privacy.net> wrote >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Alias alas, psychosis :(
Thomas Wagner - 24 Mar 2005 18:47 GMT >hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread >messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new That's OK, we don't expect you to read 7000 messages. Just read the ones from me, that will be sufficient... ;-)
>i've had hep c for about 2 or 3 years and haven't sought any serious therapy >or treatment for it but from what i know interferon isn't for me since a) i >still drink at times b) i have major depression already and c) a tendancy >toward psychosis .. not to mention i like my hair... Well... the first problem is right there: "i still drink at times". You want to live with HCV without treating it? Then stop today. There's some controversy about small amounts of alcohol being OK even with Hep (meaning about one glass of wine every other day), but is it worth the risk?
As for 2-3 years: was that when you were diagnosed, or have you only had it for that long? Many people only get the diagnosis after having had HCV for decades. If it's really just 2-3 years since you were infected, you probably don't have much to worry about. But are you sure? Was a biopsy done? Do you know anything about the state of your liver?
If you really only had it for 2-3 years, your chances of clearing in treatment would be excellent, the longer you have it, the harder it gets. Depression and psychosis can be a problem, but in most cases can be controlled with appropriate meds. And your hair won't fall out. But on the other hand, your chance of developing serious complications within the next few years is relatively low, so waiting may be a reasonable option. There might be new meds with fewer problems by then.
>so my question is, whats a simple herbal regimin that is affordable that >will help reduce viral load and inflammation? There is none. Milk thistle is generally thought to be beneficial, but it will not reduce viral load. There is no benefit to reducing viral load anyway, since there's no connection between viral load and liver damage. Only completely eliminating the virus will halt damage, and only the current interferon treatments can do that.
There certainly is no harm in taking milk thistle, and it may indeed be helpful, but do not rely on it to protect you from the effects of the virus. It won't.
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bama - 24 Mar 2005 19:45 GMT >>hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread >>messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new > > That's OK, we don't expect you to read 7000 messages. Just read the ones > from me, that will be sufficient... ;-) <grin>
>>i've had hep c for about 2 or 3 years and haven't sought any serious >>therapy [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you probably don't have much to worry about. But are you sure? Was a > biopsy done? Do you know anything about the state of your liver? granted i don't know for certain that this is when it happened, but I used IV drugs for about 2 months about 2-3 years ago, and about 6 months after i stopped i got tested for hiv and hep c and the hep c came back positive (in short)
i had a biopsy about 1-1/2 years ago and there was mild scarring and mild inflammation but it was considered okay to forgoe treatment at that time, since then however, i've had a sizable amount of alcohol and no check ups... sort of playing the ostrich in the sand thinger
> If you really only had it for 2-3 years, your chances of clearing in > treatment would be excellent, the longer you have it, the harder it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > helpful, but do not rely on it to protect you from the effects of the > virus. It won't. what about all the books with scores of herbs for treating hep c? all conjecture and mumbo jumbo?
Alias - 24 Mar 2005 20:06 GMT > what about all the books with scores of herbs for treating hep c? all > conjecture and mumbo jumbo? Snake oil.
Alias
tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 07:20 GMT in regards to Alias calling herbs "snakeoil.. most herbs have nither been proven or disproven. So rethink the snake oil concept. Most probably dont work. a few help hepatocytes some. but none eliminate nor reduce viral load that we know of. main-lining gasoline may destroy hcv. we think. huh!
Alias - 25 Mar 2005 11:07 GMT > in regards to Alias calling herbs "snakeoil.. most herbs have nither > been proven or disproven. So rethink the snake oil concept. Most > probably dont work. a few help hepatocytes some. but none eliminate nor > reduce viral load that we know of. main-lining gasoline may destroy hcv. > we think. huh! Like I said, snake oil.
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JV - 28 Mar 2005 02:48 GMT Like I said It takes one to know one Cody. hehe JV
JV - 28 Mar 2005 02:45 GMT Re: new to group Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 1:20am (PST+3) From: tobeesure@webtv.net in regards to Alias calling herbs "snakeoil.. most herbs have nither been proven or disproven. So rethink the snake oil concept. Most probably dont work. a few help hepatocytes some. but none eliminate nor reduce viral load that we know of. main-lining gasoline may destroy hcv. we think. huh!
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Thomas Wagner - 24 Mar 2005 22:33 GMT >granted i don't know for certain that this is when it happened, but I used >IV drugs for about 2 months about 2-3 years ago, and about 6 months after i >stopped i got tested for hiv and hep c and the hep c came back positive (in >short) Ah, then it makes sense.
>i had a biopsy about 1-1/2 years ago and there was mild scarring and mild >inflammation but it was considered okay to forgoe treatment at that time, >since then however, i've had a sizable amount of alcohol and no check ups... >sort of playing the ostrich in the sand thinger Ouch... if you already had mild scarring after such a short time, playing drunken ostrich might be pretty dangerous. It's not a hard and fast rule, there appears to be a genetic component that has some influence on how fast things progress, but even with a positive makeup alcohol can push things over the edge a lot faster. You might want to consider another biopsy before deciding whether to wait or treat.
>what about all the books with scores of herbs for treating hep c? all >conjecture and mumbo jumbo? In short, yes. If you check out the reliable sites that are pro-alternative, like NCCAM, they'll clearly tell you that there's very little real information, even about milk thistle, and that there is no herb that will keep the Hep in check. This is a good overview: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/hepatitisc/
The others claiming wonders are just out to make a buck.
Thomas
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tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 06:44 GMT memorial sloan-kettering has input on herbs and such. check out that site. Randy
pajaritaflora - 25 Mar 2005 01:38 GMT > what about all the books with scores of herbs for treating hep c? all
> conjecture and mumbo jumbo? Hey, glad you are here. I have this info for you http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HKP/is_2000_Summer-Fall/ai_69540125
I'm not saying it will work. I don't know. But it's not a bad study for an herbal remedy (well, Thomas may disagree, but when you want the facts and only the facts, he is your man for the job.) I considered doing it during my personal debate about treating hcv. I spoke to a japanese doc who told me how it was used ion his culture. If an infected person has the ability to pay insurance they suggest doing the interferon because it appears to reduce the risk of liver cancer even if it doesn't cure you. For myself I have decided to use the kampo method ninjin-yoei-to if I do not get an SVR.
Peace Mary Ann
Thomas Wagner - 25 Mar 2005 06:56 GMT >http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HKP/is_2000_Summer-Fall/ai_69540125 > >I'm not saying it will work. I don't know. But it's not a bad study for >an herbal remedy (well, Thomas may disagree, but when you want the >facts and only the facts, he is your man for the job.) It's actually quite interesting, but at least the writeup is pretty bad, which makes you wonder about its validity. It is problematic mainly because it wasn't placebo-controlled and not "blinded", so researcher bias can influence results. It's also missing longer-term followup, and clear definitions on how they measured "seroconversion". Did they just do a viral load once, immediately after treatment? You know that many initial responders are undetectable right after treatment, but relapse within a few months because the test basically was a false negative. Or did they do the real test, six months after completely quitting treatment? Nothing in the document makes that clear. That's not a sign of quality.
>For myself I have decided to use the kampo method ninjin-yoei-to if I >do not get an SVR. You may have noticed - they had the best results on people who first went through a (failed) standard interferon therapy. Maybe the stuff can give the virus the final kick after it's been weakened by interferon.
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tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 07:23 GMT burningdaylight - 24 Mar 2005 22:36 GMT Welcome Sweet Home Bama, Please stay with this group for support and answers. Sorry for all the childish bickering that goes on here. If you can ignore it you will be just fine. QUIT DRINKING!!! It is slow suicide! See a goog liver doctor! Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it go away! GET HELP! You only live once, or so I'm told. Sue
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:27 GMT See a goog liver doctor! Sue //////// You been eating peanut butter straight out the jar again, Sue? ahahahahahaha Elmo
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bama - 25 Mar 2005 00:32 GMT > Welcome Sweet Home Bama, Please stay with this group for support and > answers. Sorry for all the childish bickering that goes on here. If you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You only live once, or so I'm told. > Sue ah once again the ostrich only this time my head was unwittingly in the sand... damn OE didn't show me the new posts...
you'll notice my post on your other condemnatory post....
so thanks for the warm sweet welcome and yes its been quit driven home about the drinking... truth be told thats a bit of a problem for me, the same thing that got me hep in the first place keeps me lightly toasted by night: addiction....
as for only living once? well as far as i know, you're right, at least in this type of physical form... and perhaps my mule like nature with alcohol will keep me from experiencing anything not in this type of physical form, i'll let you know when i get there, or my absence will...
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 02:24 GMT Re: new to group Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 6:32pm (CST+1) From: mjablecki@cox.net (bama) "burningdaylight" <burningdaylight@private.com> wrote in message news:8b99c6a8501b1695c68eb9c9cb22c9c4@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com... Welcome Sweet Home Bama, Please stay with this group for support and answers. Sorry for all the childish bickering that goes on here. If you can ignore it you will be just fine. QUIT DRINKING!!! It is slow suicide! See a goog liver doctor! Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it go away! GET HELP! You only live once, or so I'm told. Sue ah once again the ostrich only this time my head was unwittingly in the sand... damn OE didn't show me the new posts... you'll notice my post on your other condemnatory post.... so thanks for the warm sweet welcome and yes its been quit driven home about the drinking... truth be told thats a bit of a problem for me, the same thing that got me hep in the first place keeps me lightly toasted by night: addiction.... as for only living once? well as far as i know, you're right, at least in this type of physical form... and perhaps my mule like nature with alcohol will keep me from experiencing anything not in this type of physical form, i'll let you know when i get there, or my absence will... //////// Sounds like a long-term project to me....... a year of rehab, a couple of years of sobriety, then treatment for hepc. Treatment makes it really difficult on those in early recovery to keep from backsliding, both from a mental and a physical aspect. One dragon at a time, friend. Elmo
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:12 GMT You're sh.t out of luck if you're looking to herbals to reduce your viral load. Milk thistle is good for reducing LFT scores, but it's unclear whether it has any affect on protecting the liver from further damage. Drinking alcohol, as long as you have hepc, isn't very smart. Your psych difficulties, drinking, shouldn't keep you from tx as long as your doctor and shrink work together to get you thru. You should reconsider, particularly if you have liver damage. And figure out a way to get off the booze. Welcome to the group. Elmo
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tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:50 GMT Elmo has just given the newbie the straightest hardcore facts. Take his advice........ Randy
tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:44 GMT tobeesure@webtv.net - 25 Mar 2005 00:46 GMT but dont expect a lowered viral load out of milk thistle or ip-6. just liver help... Randy
Cactus Jammies - 25 Mar 2005 01:43 GMT From my take Milk thistle can't hurt you and it does seem to have an effect on the bile production of your liver to clear out scar tissue (fibrosis) while it the liver tries to clean itself out and regenerate as best it can, given the chance that reduced inflamation from tx provides. There is no need for it while on tx. At best it is innoquous from what I am led to believe, but its value could come as an over all liver cleansing (!!!!) tonic after tx.
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> but dont expect a lowered viral load out of milk thistle or ip-6. just > liver help... Randy rasputin - 25 Mar 2005 08:46 GMT > hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread > messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~bama~ Hello Bama,
I have had hep c for 22 years and 10 months, my LFTs have been monitored for years and I have had two liver biopsies during that time. In the UK they did not treat with interferon unless your liver showed signs of damage, mine didn't for 22 years - it is worth bearing in mind that for many people this is a slow moving virus. I was infected when i was 11 years old, but was not diagnosed until I was 26, growing up with hep c I cannot say whether I had side effects or not, it is perculiar perhaps to think that having hep c is for me my norm.
I have used traditional chinese medicine on and off since I was diagnosed, TCM has not rid the virus from my body and no one would ever claim that it could. I do however think that it may have a role to play in managing the side effects of living with the virus. Be aware there are a lot of charlatons around and if you are going to consider TCM you need to find a good registered pratitioner.
My last liver biopsy showed signs of fibrosis and I am now half way through interferon treatment (week 12) I was convinced interferon was not for me and really scared. I can't say that interferon is easy because that would be a lie, however it has not yet been hard. I had 5 years between liver biopsies and used this time to get myself fit and to stop drinking and smoking. I think raising my fitness levels before starting treatment has been a really good investment, 12 weeks in and I swim every day and weight train 3 times a week. I am still having on to my hair, not even the slightest thinning.
I guess what I am trying to say is that you have options open to you. The earlier you start treatment the more likely your chance of success, but equally if you take a year or two to get used to it and prepare then that may well be time well spent.
Good luck Jonathan
Shawn - 25 Mar 2005 23:46 GMT >growing up with hep c I cannot say whether I > had side effects or not, it is perculiar perhaps to think that having hep > c is for me my norm. An interesting point, I'm constantly having to remind myself when talking to a medical person, that what's the "norm" for me probably isn't even on their chart of comparisons!
> I guess what I am trying to say is that you have options open to you. The > earlier you start treatment the more likely your chance of success, but > equally if you take a year or two to get used to it and prepare then that > may well be time well spent. Well said! Good prepartation is time and money well spent!!
Best regards! Shawn
bama - 26 Mar 2005 04:24 GMT thanks to most who posted ;o)
it's great to have a support system with current info...
now i'm seriously considering getting another biopsy and pursueing treatment (non herbal - altho i'll probably still try milk-thistle)
i'll keep the group updated and post when i think of something to ask or add...
bama
> hey all... excuse me if this was just covered, but with over 7000 unread > messages i'd rather just mark them all read and start new [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~bama~ Douglas - 26 Mar 2005 04:51 GMT > now i'm seriously considering getting another biopsy and pursueing > treatment (non herbal - altho i'll probably still try milk-thistle) I've heard that it is not a good idea to use milk thistle while on tratment Doug
bama - 26 Mar 2005 07:00 GMT >> now i'm seriously considering getting another biopsy and pursueing >> treatment (non herbal - altho i'll probably still try milk-thistle) > > I've heard that it is not a good idea to use milk thistle while on > tratment Doug thanks for the info
i'll use it until a week before i start treatment then
bama
Gordo Mondragon - 26 Mar 2005 11:41 GMT > >> now i'm seriously considering getting another biopsy and pursueing > >> treatment (non herbal - altho i'll probably still try milk-thistle) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > i'll use it until a week before i start treatment then If you are going to start treatment, come back and listen to people's stories about what it was like for them and what they did to deal with it. For me, the side effects were unlike anything I had experienced and I think that until you experience them there's no way to understand them. So I heard things like "mood swings" and "depression" which while technically correct didn't say *what* moods and that the depression wasn't like any depression I'd seen or experienced before.
A lot of people have relatively few problems. I had more, and learned a lot about how to deal/get around/medicate them from people here.
I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. Should I be scared?
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bama - 26 Mar 2005 14:59 GMT > I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. Should I > be scared? > > G rofl... where did u see the link for neopets? i looked back n coudlnt' find it lol
Gordo Mondragon - 26 Mar 2005 17:42 GMT > > I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. Should I > > be scared? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rofl... where did u see the link for neopets? i looked back n coudlnt' find > it lol www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?".
bama - 26 Mar 2005 17:55 GMT >> > I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. Should I >> > be scared? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". uhhhh i'm confused... was there a link from one of my posts?
Gordo Mondragon - 27 Mar 2005 08:14 GMT > >> > I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. Should I > >> > be scared? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > uhhhh i'm confused... was there a link from one of my posts? Nope, just saw that you'd posted in that newsgroup and was curious as to what it was.
bama - 28 Mar 2005 03:11 GMT ahhh ok... ya its one of my healthier addictions... the games are weak but the social component is strong and there are rewards for attention paid and time spent.... ahhhh neopets....
and now a plug.. if you want to join use my link i get benefits (within the game, not financially) http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=alabamaslammer
>> >> > I took the neopets quiz. I would apparently be a pink slorg. >> >> > Should I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Nope, just saw that you'd posted in that newsgroup and was curious as to > what it was. pajaritaflora - 27 Mar 2005 07:04 GMT > www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". I'm a Pink Slorg :) / MYE
Douglas - 27 Mar 2005 07:49 GMT Barring the dragon I hope everyone has a happy Easter!! !! !! !! !! !!
>> www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". > > I'm a Pink Slorg :) > / > MYE Gordo Mondragon - 27 Mar 2005 16:57 GMT > > www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". > > I'm a Pink Slorg :) Bama, what is all this stuff?
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT Re: new to group Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 3:57pm (CST+6) From: ga_mondragon@yahoo.com (Gordo Mondragon) In article <1111903460.109237.143450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "pajaritaflora" <birdspeak@gmail.com> wrote: Gordo Mondragon wrote: www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". I'm a Pink Slorg :) Bama, what is all this stuff? ////////// Holy cow, Gordo!! I'm a pink slorg too. Let's go kick some a.s in the name of Neopetia. (I said, "Kick" some a.s, not....) ahahahahahahahaha Elmo
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Cactus Jammies - 27 Mar 2005 20:07 GMT Its one of those Spanish conspiracies. I came out of it a Pink Zlorg, too. I was aiming for 4F. I know I deserve a 4F
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Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 3:57pm (CST+6) From: ga_mondragon@yahoo.com (Gordo Mondragon) In article <1111903460.109237.143450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "pajaritaflora" <birdspeak@gmail.com> wrote: Gordo Mondragon wrote: www.neopets.com. upper right, "which Petpett are you?". I'm a Pink Slorg :) Bama, what is all this stuff? ////////// Holy cow, Gordo!! I'm a pink slorg too. Let's go kick some a.s in the name of Neopetia. (I said, "Kick" some a.s, not....) ahahahahahahahaha Elmo
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Gordo Mondragon - 27 Mar 2005 23:58 GMT > > Re: new to group [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Holy cow, Gordo!! I'm a pink slorg too. Let's go kick some a.s in the > name of Neopetia. (I said, "Kick" some a.s, not....) ahahahahahahahaha Don't worry. Straight guys always go "ow ow ow take it out" which is just no fun anyway.
I'm wondering about a Hep C game universe, with evil dragon and where you as you fight it, your red and white counts go down, etc.
bama - 28 Mar 2005 12:40 GMT "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondragon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Bama, what is all this stuff? Heh an online virtual pet community... trade stocks, battle pets, collect items and avatars, join a guild, become guild council, play games for their money system... meet people and get random events and quests... designed for 13 year olds but i know quite a few ppl well above my own age, which is 25... still haven't checked to see if there is an hcv guild yet lol
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that link gets me referral credits (in game bene's)
Alias - 28 Mar 2005 13:23 GMT > "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondragon@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Bama, what is all this stuff? > > Heh an online virtual pet community.... designed for 13 year olds Most of the posters here should fit right in, then.
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Gordo Mondragon - 29 Mar 2005 00:18 GMT > "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondragon@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Bama, what is all this stuff? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 13 year olds but i know quite a few ppl well above my own age, which is > 25... still haven't checked to see if there is an hcv guild yet lol It's so.... fluffy.
:) Gordo Mondragon - 26 Mar 2005 11:31 GMT > > now i'm seriously considering getting another biopsy and pursueing > > treatment (non herbal - altho i'll probably still try milk-thistle) > > I've heard that it is not a good idea to use milk thistle while on tratment I think he's talking about taking while he decides what to do next.
Gordo Mondragon - 26 Mar 2005 11:31 GMT > thanks to most who posted ;o) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > i'll keep the group updated and post when i think of something to ask or > add... Please do. Like most people I showed up here with a fresh diagnosis and the feeling I was going to die - and that's even with a great doctor who was very clear with me about what I should and shouldn't worry about. I don't think there's any other place where you're going to get the benefit of both relevant experience and a lot of current knowledge about Hep C and treatment.
Take care of yourself....
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Alias - 26 Mar 2005 11:33 GMT "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondragon@yahoo.com> wrote I
> don't think there's any other place where you're going to get the > benefit of both relevant experience and a lot of current knowledge about > Hep C and treatment. Really? Name me one new thing that has been posted here in the last five years that a doctor wouldn't know. This isn't the only hep c message board, Gordo, and it isn't the best by any stretch of the imagination.
Alias
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 Mar 2005 12:37 GMT Then what the hell are you doing here? Go bother them for awhile. Elmo ////////
This isn't the only hep c message board, Gordo, and it isn't the best by any stretch of the imagination. Alias
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Alias - 26 Mar 2005 13:08 GMT > Then what the hell are you doing here? > Go bother them for awhile. > Elmo > //////// Actually, I have had no complaints except on this Jesus/turds/farts/tits/bowel movements obessed newsgroup (thanks to you).
Btw, the first thing you ever said to me was that you think I am an "a.shole".
Alias
> This isn't the only hep c message board, Gordo, and it isn't the best > by any stretch of the imagination. > Alias elmoemerson@webtv.net - 26 Mar 2005 15:46 GMT Re: new to group Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 1:08pm (CST+7) From: me@privacy.net (Alias) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote Then what the hell are you doing here? Go bother them for awhile. Elmo //////// Actually, I have had no complaints except on this Jesus/turds/farts/tits/bowel movements obessed newsgroup (thanks to you). Btw, the first thing you ever said to me was that you think I am an "a.shole". Alias //////// You haven't changed one bit, either. You're still an a.shole. hehe Elmo
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Cactus Jammies - 26 Mar 2005 17:59 GMT Ya, elmo, at least you are living proof that you don't have to be *really* nasty to get through tx, your testicle may have burst because you were in seminary school but liver is still ticking and taking a kickin. I like the real sour pickles with my pastrami and my smoked MEAT sandwiches. Poor pissed Rami we ambushed it and gobbled it all up. No message to Nirvana from that pest-rommi. NO plaintive plea made to the other side of the spiritual pathway to bliss for that escapee from the great sausage grinder. better to be slab of pest rommi that a bucket of ground up wiener goop.
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