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davon96720 - 06 Mar 2005 05:46 GMT
It's been quite a month.  I had a tooth pulled and it got infected, went to
my ears and went half deaf for awhile. So I got a good flare up started.  My
right leg the muscle are all complaining and two days ago my left knee
decided to join the party.  This is one of the after effects of catching
hep-c and epstien-barre together.

Yep, I just got my van on the road and went visit a freind out in the
sticks.  He's an leg amputee and his doctor wants him to start medijuana for
his back pain.  His 5 year old got into a truck he had borrowed, that his
freind just got out of the shop also.  His car die today.  The key was out,
it's automatic, but the gear shift doesn't lock, which he didn't know.  It
drifted a couple yards down-hill and caught my passenger door, caving it in,
the major thing is metal pushed up against rod on the lock. So I can't lock
it up, and it's the door I use as the driver side lock froze.  It was a best
case scenerio though.  On the other side of my van was a 15 foot embankment.
Anyway, no one was hurt and no had major damage.  I just wish I had
something to smoke right now.

I was ticked just before as I found my cabin out there had been broken into
again.  This time there wasn't anything in to steal, ha, ha.  So they made a
big mess out of frustration.  Here on the Big Island of Hawaii, Green
Harvest had started when I moved here in the eighties.  I told everyone the
price of cannabis would soar, it did, no more sativa, only indica now; and
cheap bad drugs would take their place.  Gateway drugs are whatever is
cheapest and crack and ice is now all over the place.  Can't leave anything
sit without some crack or ice head ripping you off.

Aloha,
Dave

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Red Dwarf - 06 Mar 2005 07:53 GMT
Aloha Dave, sounds like you have had some crummy luck. How long have you had
hepc? Are you on treatment, or considering it? I was diagnosed on 1999, and
started treatment last August. I know what you mean about ice and
crackheads. We have that here on Oahu big time. I'm on the leeward side,
near Ewa. The presence of ice has led to a lot of stolen cars, and like you
said anything thats not nailed down.They don't show that in the tourist
commercials on the mainland. Fortunately ,there is fairly little violent
crime here.I think you are right when you implied that the denial of
cannabis has led to more and dangerous drugs.Apparently the powers that be
did not take this into consideration when it decided to actively pursue
weed. It's fairly well known that marijuana is relatively harmless, but the
replacement drugs are destructive to individuals and families, and
indirectly lead to a lot of property damage. Good luck to you, and keep
posting.
John

> It's been quite a month.  I had a tooth pulled and it got infected, went
> to
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> Aloha,
> Dave
davon96720 - 06 Mar 2005 21:38 GMT
In '97 I was going for my MS in Space Studies in North Dakota, after nailing
some 300 credit at UH Hilo.  In April I toured the Russian space program, 3
weeks around Moscow, Star City, factories, research facilities and museums;
then 4 days at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kasakstan.  The trip back: day 1
left Kasackstan, day 2 left Moscow, day 3 left Amsterdam and land landed in
Minneapolis, custums agent said if I was going to Grand Forks ND, that I was
in trouble; out in the lobby on tv was Grand Forks, under water and on fire,
day 4 NW air gave me an emergency flight in the 48 states, so I ended up in
my old home town in PA, where my long term girl freind was, and family.  Got
the proverbial 15 min. of fame on the front page and tv. my brother decided
I should have gone on to ND, 25% of the population was dislocated and you
don't go into that.  So he tossed me out into my Sister.  She had alot of
old ex-drugee freinds, and a grandson with constant flow of teens through
the house.  I kept tossing out toothbrushes after finding them wet, but I
guess I missed one, although not a usual vector not an impossible one.

I got back to Grand Forks at the end of August and first day there I woke up
and had my first memory glitch.  I looked in the mirror and my mustache was
gone, I always sported at least that if not a full beard. Wrote it off to
travel fatigue.  But back on campus I make an appoint with the student
clinic, the first of many.  I short term memory went on me, I got
chronically fatigued and developed sleep disorder where I could'nt sleep for
5 days at a stretch, even with meds.  By Oct. blood work showed some viral
activity and I got told you'll be ok in a few weeks.  In Nov. blood work
showed high titrations of epstein-barre and again was told you'll be better
in a couple weeks.

All through it I kept insisting that something was eating at my liver, but
got written off having post-viral depression.  From a g.p.a. of 3.75, I
turned a 1.9 for the fall.  The spring term came around and I felt worse
yet.  I went to a class one day and furiously wrote down three green boards
of lecture notes, kicked back and looked.  I had written them down once, and
then forgot and wrote them down again.  That was an epiphany, I knew I was
done acedemically.  I ended up with a gpa of 2.97 and needed a 3.0, so
missed my MS by 0.03. My girl freind wan't me to come back to PA but I
couldn't face having to live with that part of my family again.  I had old
freind in Eugene OR that had a second house on their property and they said
come up and do another garden for us.  They're great people, tolerated for
the two years I was there.  My old girl freind wanted kids, got engaged (I
guess at first to get me jealous), but still wanted me to come back.  I
didn't know at that time what was nailing me, but that I didn't have much of
a future and worse maybe I had something that I could give her and I let her
slide by, which I think was the hardest thing I've ever done.

Eventually, I got back to Hawaii.  It took some time to get into the system.
I knew I needed medical care, so I applied for state assistance.  The first
step was to see a state doctor to screen people out, I walked up there that
day in agony with some fibro flare in my back and fatigue, having to stop
every block to rest.  That idiot doctor said there was nothing wrong with me
physically and said it was all in my head and had me see the state's
psychologist.  That guy had some compansion, and recognized something was
really wrong and got on the system.  So I got to see my old doctor finally.

Four years every doctor had kept telling me I was depressed and wrote out
anti-depressents after looking at my charts and seeing what the first doctor
had written-"post viral depression", during that whole time I kept insisting
something eating at my liver.  Dr. Bade, who goes back to the old plantation
days as a plantation doctor, actually listened.  After a year of tests he
caught my liver enzymes were off, next time I came in he asked me "did you
ever hear about hepatitis-c".

It took a year to get onto the newer peg-interferon/ribavin therapy.  I got
every damn side affect, didn't know it had a fifty % attrition rate.
Several times my blood counts were seriously low.  Half way through I
couldn't take it and took two weeks off.  Dr. Bade started me on Marinol and
got me a medical canabis permit, and I made it through.  A year later, I'm
virus free.  One of the weirdess things that happened was a thing called
"corruption of taste (and smell), like it's hard enough to eat while on
chemo, without everything tasting or smelling like some alien off-world kaa
kaa.  But, if it hadn't been for medijuana, I don't think I would have made
it through the therapy.

Anyway, still have a few reminders of it: nueropathy, my left left has a
dead nerve cord and some muscle atrophied ( explains my broken foot in
2000), got fibromyalgia with spastic muscle and cramps, psuedo-mentia with
short term memory loss and some visual agnosia, I take aricept an alheimers
memory drug that has helped, it also gets "better over time".  I quit the
anti-depressants and my libido back.  I've lost most of my teeth over this
period.  However, I can't do an eight hour day, let alone take care of my 87
yr. old mother besides.  I keep coming up with things I can do on my own.
However, I keep getting hamstrung.  SSI isn't any problem, they want me to
work, it's the state, I can't verify my own hourly income, my income has to
be independently verified i.e. as Karl Marx would say "the surplus value of
my labor become the profit for the corporations".  Even though I turn in all
records when I earned anything, I could be arrested for fraud.

F.E.M.A. gave me one month rent, all they could do being out of ND.  The new
welfare, nada if you're able bodied.  Having been all over the media and
with kids working summer jobs, no one would hire me.  I asked if I could get
emergency rent money and write a note to pay it back, but no way.  So for
lack of maybe 400 bucks during a natural disaster, I've lost it all, again.
The government has had to pick up about a 400 grand tab that includes my
student loans, between SSI, meds and tests thats another 3500 and sometimes
more per month.  So I found out that the new welfare system pinchs pennies
and pays outs thousands as a consequence, and keeps you from working.

So for the long haul, I'm going to get gardening out on the lots, and grow
my own medicine.  Once off the state, I'll quit a bit more freedom to work
as I can.  I'd like to put together a hostel with camping and huts with an
orchid theme to the place.  My goal is to be self-sufficient and tell the
state to shove it.  I'm tired of being told I should be grateful when it all
could have been prevented.

My case is an exteme situation; but, it shows what can happen.

That's the long and short of it.

Aloha,
dave

I'm one the people who fell through the hole of the new welfare system
started in 95.

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> Aloha Dave, sounds like you have had some crummy luck. How long have you
> had hepc? Are you on treatment, or considering it? I was diagnosed on
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>> Aloha,
>> Dave
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 06 Mar 2005 21:54 GMT

Re: Ouch, fibro flare up and today I just got broad-sided by a five year
old girl  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sun, Mar 6, 2005, 9:38pm (CST+6)
From: illume1@verizon.net (davon96720)
In '97 I was going for my MS in Space Studies in North Dakota, after
nailing some 300 credit at UH Hilo. In April I toured the Russian space
program, 3 weeks around Moscow, Star City, factories, research
facilities and museums; then 4 days at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in
Kasakstan. The trip back: day 1 left Kasackstan, day 2 left Moscow, day
3 left Amsterdam and land landed in Minneapolis, custums agent said if I
was going to Grand Forks ND, that I was in trouble; out in the lobby on
tv was Grand Forks, under water and on fire, day 4 NW air gave me an
emergency flight in the 48 states, so I ended up in my old home town in
PA, where my long term girl freind was, and family. Got the proverbial
15 min. of fame on the front page and tv. my brother decided I should
have gone on to ND, 25% of the population was dislocated and you don't
go into that. So he tossed me out into my Sister. She had alot of old
ex-drugee freinds, and a grandson with constant flow of teens through
the house. I kept tossing out toothbrushes after finding them wet, but I
guess I missed one, although not a usual vector not an impossible one.
I got back to Grand Forks at the end of August and first day there I
woke up and had my first memory glitch. I looked in the mirror and my
mustache was gone, I always sported at least that if not a full beard.
Wrote it off to travel fatigue. But back on campus I make an appoint
with the student clinic, the first of many. I short term memory went on
me, I got chronically fatigued and developed sleep disorder where I
could'nt sleep for 5 days at a stretch, even with meds. By Oct. blood
work showed some viral activity and I got told you'll be ok in a few
weeks. In Nov. blood work showed high titrations of epstein-barre and
again was told you'll be better in a couple weeks.
All through it I kept insisting that something was eating at my liver,
but got written off having post-viral depression. From a g.p.a. of 3.75,
I turned a 1.9 for the fall. The spring term came around and I felt
worse yet. I went to a class one day and furiously wrote down three
green boards of lecture notes, kicked back and looked. I had written
them down once, and then forgot and wrote them down again. That was an
epiphany, I knew I was done acedemically. I ended up with a gpa of 2.97
and needed a 3.0, so missed my MS by 0.03. My girl freind wan't me to
come back to PA but I couldn't face having to live with that part of my
family again. I had old freind in Eugene OR that had a second house on
their property and they said come up and do another garden for us.
They're great people, tolerated for the two years I was there. My old
girl freind wanted kids, got engaged (I guess at first to get me
jealous), but still wanted me to come back. I didn't know at that time
what was nailing me, but that I didn't have much of a future and worse
maybe I had something that I could give her and I let her slide by,
which I think was the hardest thing I've ever done.
Eventually, I got back to Hawaii. It took some time to get into the
system. I knew I needed medical care, so I applied for state assistance.
The first step was to see a state doctor to screen people out, I walked
up there that day in agony with some fibro flare in my back and fatigue,
having to stop every block to rest. That idiot doctor said there was
nothing wrong with me physically and said it was all in my head and had
me see the state's psychologist. That guy had some compansion, and
recognized something was really wrong and got on the system. So I got to
see my old doctor finally.
Four years every doctor had kept telling me I was depressed and wrote
out anti-depressents after looking at my charts and seeing what the
first doctor had written-"post viral depression", during that whole time
I kept insisting something eating at my liver. Dr. Bade, who goes back
to the old plantation days as a plantation doctor, actually listened.
After a year of tests he caught my liver enzymes were off, next time I
came in he asked me "did you ever hear about hepatitis-c".
It took a year to get onto the newer peg-interferon/ribavin therapy. I
got every damn side affect, didn't know it had a fifty % attrition rate.
Several times my blood counts were seriously low. Half way through I
couldn't take it and took two weeks off. Dr. Bade started me on Marinol
and got me a medical canabis permit, and I made it through. A year
later, I'm virus free. One of the weirdess things that happened was a
thing called "corruption of taste (and smell), like it's hard enough to
eat while on chemo, without everything tasting or smelling like some
alien off-world kaa kaa. But, if it hadn't been for medijuana, I don't
think I would have made it through the therapy.
Anyway, still have a few reminders of it: nueropathy, my left left has a
dead nerve cord and some muscle atrophied ( explains my broken foot in
2000), got fibromyalgia with spastic muscle and cramps, psuedo-mentia
with short term memory loss and some visual agnosia, I take aricept an
alheimers memory drug that has helped, it also gets "better over time".
I quit the anti-depressants and my libido back. I've lost most of my
teeth over this period. However, I can't do an eight hour day, let alone
take care of my 87 yr. old mother besides. I keep coming up with things
I can do on my own. However, I keep getting hamstrung. SSI isn't any
problem, they want me to work, it's the state, I can't verify my own
hourly income, my income has to be independently verified i.e. as Karl
Marx would say "the surplus value of my labor become the profit for the
corporations". Even though I turn in all records when I earned anything,
I could be arrested for fraud.
F.E.M.A. gave me one month rent, all they could do being out of ND. The
new welfare, nada if you're able bodied. Having been all over the media
and with kids working summer jobs, no one would hire me. I asked if I
could get emergency rent money and write a note to pay it back, but no
way. So for lack of maybe 400 bucks during a natural disaster, I've lost
it all, again. The government has had to pick up about a 400 grand tab
that includes my student loans, between SSI, meds and tests thats
another 3500 and sometimes more per month. So I found out that the new
welfare system pinchs pennies and pays outs thousands as a consequence,
and keeps you from working.
So for the long haul, I'm going to get gardening out on the lots, and
grow my own medicine. Once off the state, I'll quit a bit more freedom
to work as I can. I'd like to put together a hostel with camping and
huts with an orchid theme to the place. My goal is to be self-sufficient
and tell the state to shove it. I'm tired of being told I should be
grateful when it all could have been prevented.
My case is an exteme situation; but, it shows what can happen.
That's the long and short of it.
Aloha,
dave
I'm one the people who fell through the hole of the new welfare system
started in 95.
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"Red Dwarf" <sbordonej001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iGyWd.40088$Tj7.14079@twister.socal.rr.com...
Aloha Dave, sounds like you have had some crummy luck. How long have you
had hepc? Are you on treatment, or considering it? I was diagnosed on
1999, and started treatment last August. I know what you mean about ice
and crackheads. We have that here on Oahu big time. I'm on the leeward
side, near Ewa. The presence of ice has led to a lot of stolen cars, and
like you said anything thats not nailed down.They don't show that in the
tourist commercials on the mainland. Fortunately ,there is fairly little
violent crime here.I think you are right when you implied that the
denial of cannabis has led to more and dangerous drugs.Apparently the
powers that be did not take this into consideration when it decided to
actively pursue weed. It's fairly well known that marijuana is
relatively harmless, but the replacement drugs are destructive to
individuals and families, and indirectly lead to a lot of property
damage. Good luck to you, and keep posting.
John
"davon96720" <illume1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:IOwWd.56538$uc.14305@trnddc03...
It's been quite a month. I had a tooth pulled and it got infected, went
to
my ears and went half deaf for awhile. So I got a good flare up started.
My
right leg the muscle are all complaining and two days ago my left knee
decided to join the party. This is one of the after effects of catching
hep-c and epstien-barre together.
Yep, I just got my van on the road and went visit a freind out in the
sticks. He's an leg amputee and his doctor wants him to start medijuana
for
his back pain. His 5 year old got into a truck he had borrowed, that his
freind just got out of the shop also. His car die today. The key was
out,
it's automatic, but the gear shift doesn't lock, which he didn't know.
It
drifted a couple yards down-hill and caught my passenger door, caving it
in,
the major thing is metal pushed up against rod on the lock. So I can't
lock
it up, and it's the door I use as the driver side lock froze. It was a
best
case scenerio though. On the other side of my van was a 15 foot
embankment.
Anyway, no one was hurt and no had major damage. I just wish I had
something to smoke right now.
I was ticked just before as I found my cabin out there had been broken
into
again. This time there wasn't anything in to steal, ha, ha. So they made
a
big mess out of frustration. Here on the Big Island of Hawaii, Green
Harvest had started when I moved here in the eighties. I told everyone
the
price of cannabis would soar, it did, no more sativa, only indica now;
and
cheap bad drugs would take their place. Gateway drugs are whatever is
cheapest and crack and ice is now all over the place. Can't leave
anything
sit without some crack or ice head ripping you off.
Aloha,
Dave
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the ocean or are you two related?
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Red Dwarf - 07 Mar 2005 01:45 GMT
I thought the same thing, only I've never been to Russia.I believed I had
shitty luck, but this guys story, if true, beats them all.
John

> Re: Ouch, fibro flare up and today I just got broad-sided by a five year
> old girl
davon96720 - 07 Mar 2005 02:49 GMT
Go to the tripod site and look up the pictures, I've one of me in Red Square
and another at Gargarin Start, the launch site of Yuri Gargarin and Sputnik.
20 years ago, I'd never would have dreamed I go to Russia, let alone the
Cosmodrome.  Tip: all the horror stories of Russin toilet facilities are
true and then some.  Our group would alway go to that big McDonald's in
Moscow so that the women had a half decent place.  Many places were
literally wading pools of you know what.  Although, a couple of museums
where bad, and high end resturants.  Tip: if you ever go, take those little
packs of kleenex for the occasions, many facilities have no tp, at best you
may find napkins that have been cut into four pieces following the creases.
 So, I've seven years of bad luck, I think it about time it will change.
 I moved my Mom here in 86 and was rough clearing the properties, and hoped
to work seasonally between the two states.  One day I got a letter that said
don't bother coming back to PA, I had nothing left.  My sister hadn't made
my house payments, which was nearly paid off, my nephew joined the marines
and while in basic and his wife sold my customized 4X4 van for $700 (picture
on web site) for drug money, my brother sold or kept my possessions and
tools of my trade he had care of, my niece and sisters freind took care of
the rest, my brother sold my Mom's house and sent her a fraction of the
money.  So I lived in a tent for the first two years before trying to go
buddy system in the navy.  My blood pressure was borderline, so I think that
was luck.  My brother was aboard the U.S.S. Tripoli, one of the ships that
hit a mine in the first Gulf War, he told me that my selected job could have
put me in the compartment that the mine hit.  Anyway, I went to UHH,
carrying 21 credits a term, grew hydroponic lettuce, did 12 credits in the
summer and broke the previous record of 200 some credits by a 100 or more
credits and then hit grad school and had the world in my hands until the
summer of '97.
 I won't even get into the 70s-80s and the mills went down, that's the
first time I lost almost everything.
aloha,
dave

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>I thought the same thing, only I've never been to Russia.I believed I had
>shitty luck, but this guys story, if true, beats them all.
> John
>>
>> Re: Ouch, fibro flare up and today I just got broad-sided by a five year
>> old girl
davon96720 - 07 Mar 2005 02:32 GMT
As per the posting, I figured I got it in 97, and wasn't properly diagnose
until 2001 or 2. It took a year to get on the program, and after a year I'm
virus free.  I figure that since I had a unusually rough time with, that I
can help other get through it and understand more about it.
With regards to marijuana, I think it's the story of "follow the money".  It
was something that was hard for government to tax, or the corporations to
make money on, other than as hemp products.  Today the phamacutical
corporation are actively lobbying against medijuana as the cost of the
synthetic is high, a monopoly.  Now, it's been found that as in Alheimers,
it's a nerve anti-inflamatory and free radical scavenger, other diseases
also are being found to benefit from it such as MS and fibro which invole
the nerves, it may also act as a sort of a bandage on lesion, and apparently
can slow the progress of alheimer's.   So, the cost of marinol has jumped
50% between my last two prescriptions and now, as I figured, requires prior
approval.  I would guess an simular increase for my current prescription
that I'm waiting for approval to go through now. The cost of one capsule
would provide enough ferilizer to produce medijuana for the entire year, if
not more.
 I figure marijuana is less dangerous than drinking.  Like alcohol some
people can't tolerate it or just can't handle it and shouldn't, same thing
could be said for driving and cars.  I don't think teens shouldn't mess with
it either like alcohol.  I've preferred it over alcohol and never had the
problem than many people I've known have had with alcohol.  I've completed
442 college credits, 300 some at Hilo, have turned in 110 hour time sheets
at work, so for myself, I don't see it a problem.  Over use, is abuse though
like alcohol, and the smoke factor is simular to tobacco, but what is called
a vaporizer eliminates that as it only heats the products and not burn it,
which produces the products of combusion, the danger factor.
Thanks for the intersest and aloha,
dave

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> Re: Ouch, fibro flare up and today I just got broad-sided by a five year
> old girl
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davon96720 - 15 Mar 2005 19:35 GMT
I figure I got it 97 after getting straned and homeless because of the flood
in N.D..   Where I ended up alot of people went through the house and I kept
finding toothbrushes wet.  When I got back to ND first thing I did was go to
the student clinic.  I had a good case of mono, but with my symptoms, I kept
trying to tell doctors something was working over my liver, I got written up
for post-viral depression which follow me for about 4 years, until I got
back here and saw my old doctor. I went throught treatment and virus free
after a year.

Yesterday, I testifies at Hilo's city councel budget meeting, against grean
harvest.  Along with several other people.  They might make it a seperate
line item from the general budget and vote on it seperately.

aloha,
dave

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Cactus Jammies - 15 Mar 2005 19:43 GMT
Good luck Dave, you sound stimulated!

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>I figure I got it 97 after getting straned and homeless because of the
>flood in N.D..   Where I ended up alot of people went through the house and
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