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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / January 2005Living Not To Die
Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my hand. Seeing how this was the first alcohol in my hand for over 2 years, I stood and looked at it for the longest time until I noticed everyone looking it me. My first thought was I can't drink this. Then I thought, wait a minute, have I Gone to far? and am I now living my life Not To Die? Sure didn't bother me in the 70's when passing around the coke straws. Even the poster that read " Cocaine is for horses and not for men they say it will kill you but they don't say when)never slowed me down. I guess the older you get the older you want to become. To die without living is just as bad. May we all find the middle ground. Ron Did you drink the whole damn bottle, or what? LOL http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year > gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without living is just as bad. May we all find the middle ground. > Ron I can't remember who said it but my philosophy has always been, "I'd rather die while living than live fearing death." That is partially responsible for my HCV infection, but it is also why I take great vacations, sleep with coyotes and scorpions when I camp out, and jump out of airplanes. Admittedly this may be easier for me than for others, as I am asymptomatic and not on treatment. I do remember the despair and gloom associated w/ Interferon, so my heart goes out to those of you who are struggling through this. Hang in there. blue skies, rick Some of us drank for years and would not or could not quit. When combined with hep c it has left our livers damaged and in need of repair. When in a active Hep C group where people are currently undergoing treatment and in addition have kicked the alcohol consumption problem. We do not want smith@hot mail.com or any one else temping us to drink. What in the holy hell is wrong with you??? Please keep those kind of thoughts to yourself or better yet go to an AA meeting and encourage them to drink! from buster an chronic alcoholic currently on treatment. > Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year > gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without living is just as bad. May we all find the middle ground. > Ron advice is like a.sholes. But I learned i could live without booze and pills and cigs. BUT NOT MARYJANE. I can go to a bar and drink coke. But the drunks are hard to put up with! lol Therefore I stay out of bars. lol Randy : advice is like a.sholes. But I learned i could live without booze and : pills and cigs. BUT NOT MARYJANE. I can go to a bar and drink coke. But : the drunks are hard to put up with! lol Therefore I stay out of bars. : lol Randy Save a lot of money that way ...  SignatureAlias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. > Some of us drank for years and would not or could not quit. When combined > with hep c it has left our livers damaged and in need of repair. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > from buster an chronic alcoholic currently on treatment. I can tell your on treatment <G>. I recognize the over reaction. He was just talking about being so consumed with living longer that you forgot to live. One glass of champagne, the occasional pipe, the occasional piece of chocolate even when you know it's going to muck up your glucose level....that kind of thing. I think he made a great point. Do what you can to be healthy but don't forget that at the end of the road it's not the number years that you will remember but the things you filled those years up with. AG >Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year >gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >without living is just as bad. May we all find the middle ground. >Ron What would be better 10 great years or 40 lousy ones. On the other hand is alcohol all that necessary to have an enjoyable life. But it does seem to set me apart from my friends who pretty much all drink and with gusto. We seemed to do pretty well without ethanol when we were kids. But that was then and this is now. : >Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year : >gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : : What would be better 10 great years or 40 lousy ones. To me, hangovers are not ten great years. Smoking my brains out whilst drinking didn't exactly make me wake up feeling that today is the first day of nine more "great years". Rather, I found myself couphing up phlegm with every bone and muscle in my body suffering and as the song goes, "If I make til tomorrow, that will be a long time and it's real". So, frankly, with your analogy, I would go for the 40 "lousy" ones without Don Perignon or Vintage Brandy, etc. but don't even think about asking me to give up my pipe. SignatureAlias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. On the other : hand is alcohol all that necessary to have an enjoyable life. But it : does seem to set me apart from my friends who pretty much all drink : and with gusto. We seemed to do pretty well without ethanol when we : were kids. But that was then and this is now. >: >Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year >: >gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Don Perignon or Vintage Brandy, etc. but don't even think about asking me to >give up my pipe. Always found the fun of drinking the night before led to feeling shitty the next day. And then there's the occasional regrettable incidents while under the influence. Drinking is highly overrated. But it is such a part of western culture. I'll take a bowl over a bottle any day. But there's nothing like a nice run on the trail. It's all in the perspective. The poster wasn't talking about binge drinking or even downing a few rum and cokes. My take was he was talking about restricting himself so much that life became nothing more than an attempt to live longer. I don't party like I used to, a bottle of Parrot Bay rum can last in my house for a year...but I don't want to have to deny myself the simple pleasure of a rum and cranberry juice on a hot day or champagne on new years eve. You can have your "bowl" or pipe (I'd sooner jump out of a plane that drag any more smoke into my lungs than I get just living in California)....I'll take a nice glass of Pinot Noir now and then. AG ( I just want to live happily ever after every now and then <G>) > >: >Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year > >: >gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > But it is such a part of western culture. I'll take a bowl over a > bottle any day. But there's nothing like a nice run on the trail. This is an interesting conversation..................................................... > It's all in the perspective. The poster wasn't talking about > binge drinking or even downing a few rum and cokes. My [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > But it is such a part of western culture. I'll take a bowl over a > > bottle any day. But there's nothing like a nice run on the trail. My personal opinion and only mine! Moderation in everything. Life is for living, pity is for wallowing in. SignatureShawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) > Its another one of those, there I was storys. I was at a New Year > gathering and then it happened. A glass of Champagne was put in my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without living is just as bad. May we all find the middle ground. > Ron I agree. My liver is stage 1. My gastro says at this stage, moderate drinking won't hurt. I mean "moderate", like on my birthday or on New Years. An occaisonal dinner out with a glass of wine. Not everyone has a problem controlling their alcohol, just like not everyone is fat or a drug addict. I think the original poster has a good outlook. If you don't have a problem with drinking, then having a glass now and then isn't going to hurt you, as long as your liver can handle it. I wouldn't recommend it for someone with end stage cirrhosis of course. Some people have had such problems with alcohol and drugs that just the thought of them with hep is bad. I can understand that. But for the rest, you have to work with your doc and your lifestyle and how well your liver can tolerate it. Nobody gets out of this life alive :) And as far as I'm concernced, I'm here to LIVE :). Just my 2 cents Pat >I agree. My liver is stage 1. My gastro says at this stage, moderate >drinking won't hurt. I mean "moderate", like on my birthday or on New [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Just my 2 cents >Pat Sure, it is probably safe to drink at the level you described although I would classify that as light drinking. Personally though I don't see much point in drinking if you're not going to get a little inebriated. But I do realize that people adapt to and develop tastes for mildly toxic substances. << Personally though I don't see much point in drinking if you're not going to get a little inebriated. >> I can understand your point, but that's like saying I don't eat chocolate unless I'm gonna get fat, or don't drink a caffeinated drink unless I need the caffeine. Some people actually enjoy the flavor of say, a glass of wine, prior to dinner. It whets the appetite and relaxes the person to enjoy the meal even more. (I'm not saying this poetically, as a chef would, but you get my drift). There's more to a glass of wine than getting high, just as there's more to life than merely existing. One doesn't jump off cliffs not knowing what will happen just for the thrill of it every day of their life. However, it doesn't mean someone might not ride a rollercoaster or parachute jump now and then for the thrill. I don't promote drinking just for drinking, and I certainly don't promote it for heppers. You have to know your health and what it will do, and like everything else, make an informed decision. I just wanted to make sure people understood I wasn't promoting drinking when it's not wise nor drunkeness. :) Thanks for your comment, Alley http://www.geocities.com/dfwhcv |
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