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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / January 2005tx and depression
Hey Group- I'll be starting treatment soon (I have 3b and will only need 24 weeks) know the possible side effects and I'm prepared for the worst with a nice little stash of buds. My real fear, though, is that i will sink into a deep depression. I've had depression since i was a child and under times of high stress it has turned psychotic- voices, paranoia, etc. I've been on anti-depressants for about 12 years and they keep most symptoms at bay. But meds have a way of diminishing in effectiveness over time and a person just has to cope with it by other means. I'm taking 20mg of lexapro and can't go higher- and i have tried other ssri drugs with about the same effect. It's not the down feelings or even the aural hallucinations I'm afraid of- it's that I'll become violent. i keep hearing about "riba rage". I'm 5'2" and age 52, not a menace to society and no match for my 6' + husband. Still- should I install restraints on my bed? = 0 mercy >Hey Group- >I'll be starting treatment soon (I have 3b and will only need 24 weeks) know [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >mercy Do you have a violent history? I haven't killed anybody yet. Thought about it though. I kind of like the idea of the restraints though. I'm gonna have to run that idea by the wife. Good luck with your treatment. If you are already on anti-ds than I think your prepared. > <mercy snipping> >> It's not the down feelings or even the aural hallucinations I'm afraid [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do you have a violent history? I haven't killed anybody yet. Thought > about it though. Well, before I was on meds, I didn't own a single coffee mug with a handle still attached. But they lost their handles bouncing off walls, not my husband's head. Except that one time.... >I kind of like the idea of the restraints though. > I'm gonna have to run that idea by the wife. lol-yeah- i can see my husband wrestling me into them "this is for your own good, honey,-you know i don't like to see you tied down like this" > Good luck with your treatment. If you are already on anti-ds than I > think your prepared. Thanks for the words of encouragement-I guess I shouldn't worry about things until they come up. But do me a favor, will ya? give me a heads -up if you notice me foaming at the keyboard? mercy Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: > I install restraints on my bed? = 0 > > mercy You never know, you might learn to enjoy them.. Buwahahahahaha Welcome to the group, Mercy. Glad to see another face to add to the group. Sorry you have to be here though.  Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* > Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Welcome to the group, Mercy. Glad to see another face to add to the > group. Sorry you have to be here though. Thanks for the welcome, Michael. I don't know about the restraints, though, i'm assuming a warrior stance now- girding my loins and all. And I'll tell ya- hard steel in my grip feels pretty good. I kinda picture myself as Joan of Arc with a cuter hairstyle. But older and out of shape. And I can't ride a horse. sigh...... mercy ps. I love the sparkly flight path your name takes- but tell me- what do you do on those two stops along the way? Mercy, Hey, depression is my bag - wish it was not. Sorry you are in the club too. I have difficulty with most meds, so I'm a bad example. A lot of people like Klonopin because it assists with restful sleep and helps with stabilizing (it's like a benzo) one's mood a bit. This works along with the SSRI. There are meds that can actually boost the effectiveness of the SSRIs also. (like Welbutrin). Don't quote me on this stuff. It takes trying several shrinks to find one that can mix a good cocktail for you. I'd try the the depression support b-board for the meds (don't recall the name of it either). Just want to offer support. I know with SSRI's I had a shrink who would cut down the amounts then increase at intervals, and who would add modd stabilizers along with them. Sounds like one med cancels out the other, but it's not the case. Wish I could take away the depression. I'm not the one that is treating. My boyfriend Larry has the Hep-C, I have the depression and CFS. He hasn't been taking the interferon for long enough to experience the depression yet. Good luck to you! -Wendy Re: tx and depression Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2005, 6:13pm (CST-2) From: shoegirl1@verizon.net (Wendela) Mercy, Hey, depression is my bag - wish it was not. Sorry you are in the club too. I have difficulty with most meds, so I'm a bad example. A lot of people like Klonopin because it assists with restful sleep and helps with stabilizing (it's like a benzo) one's mood a bit. This works along with the SSRI. There are meds that can actually boost the effectiveness of the SSRIs also. (like Welbutrin). Don't quote me on this stuff. It takes trying several shrinks to find one that can mix a good cocktail for you. I'd try the the depression support b-board for the meds (don't recall the name of it either). Just want to offer support. I know with SSRI's I had a shrink who would cut down the amounts then increase at intervals, and who would add modd stabilizers along with them. Sounds like one med cancels out the other, but it's not the case. Wish I could take away the depression. I'm not the one that is treating. My boyfriend Larry has the Hep-C, I have the depression and CFS. He hasn't been taking the interferon for long enough to experience the depression yet. Good luck to you! -Wendy /////////////// As Cheech and Chong used to say......"uhhhhh yeaaahhhhh, man" :-) Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Mercy, > Hey, depression is my bag - wish it was not. Sorry you are in the club [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > been taking the interferon for long enough to experience the depression > yet. Good luck to you! -Wendy Hi Wendy- sorry about your depression too-and i bet its a heavy bag-and tough getting someone to carry it for you. Yeah it seems you have to be a chemist to stay up with the meds. My psych doc is familar with treating hepatitis patients. In fact, he volunteers at the hepatitis clinic and passes out samples to those without medical insurance. He supplied me with free meds until this year when I was able to get on state health insurance. A great guy even though he is a republican ;-) I'm chronically fatigued too, but I don't have any other symtoms of CFS. I was hoping it would go away with the hepatitis, but several drs told me it wasn't the hepc making me tired- it was the depression. I don't know- I'm still hoping I'll have energy when I'm done with my treatment. My psych doc gives me provigil for energy- but they are samples because the state won't pay for them and he can't get many of them- so i treat them like gold. They were developed for narcolepsy and claim to be safe for the liver and kidneys. I'm such a pill-popper nowadays. lol Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Better living through chemistry. It succeeded where brewers yeast and wheat germ smoothies failed. I cope as best I can- I'm not the woman I thought i would be by now, but I have accepted my limits and now i'm trying to work around them to make the most of what I can do. I try not to take life too seriously and take joy where i can find it- with my grandkids, my gardening, the misfortunes of my a.shole neighbor (hee hee). Just don't get too caught up in your boyfriend's care and forget about your own- if you decompensate you're no good for anybody. All the best. mercy Thanks Mercy for the reminder. It's so easy to get caught up with someone else's treatment I guess instead of focusing on myself. I'm bored with my own bullshit it seems. At least some of the Hep -C information seems well defined. Your doctor does sound really good. The Provigil is supposed to be excellent. Many people with CFS take this to improve energy levels. I haven't looked into it. I've had some bad long term side effects from 2 different anti-depressants (well, one was a different class and is new) so I'm skittish about taking meds now. I hope you can stretch out the Provigil. Buy some capsules and stuff them to try it in smaller dosages if your doctor approves. I don't know what form they are in. I often have split pills up and tried to determine what the smallest effective dosage is. Sorry about your fatigue. I guess depression itself can lead to fatigue, but HEP-C might be a contributing factor. I know you're MD's have told you otherwise. The old talk about exercising is really crucial, too, especially because it does get the endorpins going - even at lower levels. So try and force the exercise despite feeling like you crawled out from under a rock when you awaken each day. Depression affects REM cycles and I think stage 4 of sleep. I feel better when I load up on flaxseed capsules. I don't like the fish oil. I think you're probably allowed to have those while on treatment. The Omega 3's help for some reason. Well, best of luck to you and keep in touch. I'm so glad you have a support system. You are right about getting the good feelings where you can. I hope you don't live in a sunless city like mine. It's not been as cold here and we missed the snow, but the lack of sunshine is affecting me. I have tried sleeping at different times to trick my circadian cycle or whatever is going on. I agree about the Republican thing and the better living through chemistry. "Talking" to you makes me feel more normal. ;). -Wendy Re: tx and depression Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2005, 8:13pm (CST+1) From: dine@trixies.good.eats (mercy) "Michael Arends" <mlarends@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message news:O6udnQKYjdf8vEbcRVn-1w@giganews.com... Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: I install restraints on my bed? = 0 mercy You never know, you might learn to enjoy them.. Buwahahahahaha Welcome to the group, Mercy. Glad to see another face to add to the group. Sorry you have to be here though. -- *..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* Thanks for the welcome, Michael. I don't know about the restraints, though, i'm assuming a warrior stance now- girding my loins and all. And I'll tell ya- hard steel in my grip feels pretty good. I kinda picture myself as Joan of Arc with a cuter hairstyle. But older and out of shape. And I can't ride a horse. sigh...... mercy ps. I love the sparkly flight path your name takes- but tell me- what do you do on those two stops along the way? ////////// There ya go. Gird those loins. If the old man doesn't like you beating the crap out of him while you're on treatment, kick him in the nuts a couple of times. Tell him to hide the guns and knives. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Re: tx and depression Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2005, 8:13pm (CST+1) From: dine@trixies.good.eats (mercy) Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: I install restraints on my bed? = 0 mercy You never know, you might learn to enjoy them.. Buwahahahahaha Welcome to the group, Mercy. Glad to see another face to add to the group. Sorry you have to be here though. -- *..? ???)) -:?:- ?.?? .????)) ((??.?? .?? -:?:- Michael -:?:- -:?:- ((??.??* Thanks for the welcome, Michael. I don't know about the restraints, though, i'm assuming a warrior stance now- girding my loins and all. And I'll tell ya- hard steel in my grip feels pretty good. I kinda picture myself as Joan of Arc with a cuter hairstyle. But older and out of shape. And I can't ride a horse. sigh...... mercy ps. I love the sparkly flight path your name takes- but tell me- what do you do on those two stops along the way? ////////// There ya go. Gird those loins. If the old man doesn't like you beating the crap out of him while you're on treatment, kick him in the nuts a couple of times. Oh- I aim to! And I'm not bad of an aim, considering the target's so small. Shame on me- and hes not here to defend himself. Tell him to hide the guns and knives. :-) elmo don't laugh- it 's the first thing i thought of! mercy (what he'll be crying for) http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: > Thanks for the welcome, Michael. I don't know about the restraints, though, > i'm assuming a warrior stance now- girding my loins and all. And I'll tell [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ps. I love the sparkly flight path your name takes- but tell me- what do you > do on those two stops along the way? I'll never tell <wink> ;-) <cough>. Get Ready Mercy, it's a fight thats for sure, But I know you can do it. May you have mild sides. I'm on a 24 week regimen, and I never thought I'd get to the half way point for me. But I've done it. on 13 now, so it's all down hill. I HOPE? :-) Take care, Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* > Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > I'll never tell <wink> ;-) <cough>. I thought so! > Get Ready Mercy, it's a fight thats for sure, But I know you can do > it. May you have mild sides. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Take care, Thanks for the encouragement- I'm doing the 24 weeks too. I haven't started yet- i'm calling the doc tomorrow to have him order the stuff- I asked to wait until after the holidays to start and he said fine. Congratulations for getting over the hump!- lets hope that slide down is smooth and swift. All the best, mercy Smiling Wickedly, mercy answered: >>I'll never tell <wink> ;-) <cough>. > > I thought so! What? I don't know what your talking <cough> about <cough cough>.. :-) > Thanks for the encouragement- I'm doing the 24 weeks too. I haven't started > yet- i'm calling the doc tomorrow to have him order the stuff- I asked to > wait until after the holidays to start and he said fine. > Congratulations for getting over the hump!- lets hope that slide down is > smooth and swift. > All the best, mercy You too Mercy. I hope your sides are as mild as they can be. Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* >should >I install restraints on my bed? Sounds kinda kinky to me! Just kidding. Everyone is different; however, I seriously doubt that you'll need them. I haven't ever experienced depression, so I really can't say. Waldron "mercy" <dine@trixies.good.eats> said this: should I install restraints on my bed? /////////// Sounds kinda kinky to me! Just kidding. Waldron ////////// No you weren't, Waldron! ahahahahaha Good to see you kicking around here, Bud! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >>should >>I install restraints on my bed? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Waldron mmm- that's funny because my husband had the same reaction- first he was keen on the idea (for my safety, of course) but then thought better of it and mumbled to himself something about "how's she going to get up and get me a beer?" Men- I'll never understand their thought processes. mercy >mmm- that's funny because my husband had the same reaction- first he was >keen on the idea (for my safety, of course) but then thought better of it >and mumbled to himself something about "how's she going to get up and get me >a beer?" Men- I'll never understand their thought processes. >mercy Yeah, well... it's generally cold showers for the sig others during tx. Sometimes late in the week one might enjoy it; however, these are few and far between... for men, anyway. Dunno 'bout females at all. I suspect that your interest will diminish; however, someone with first hand knowledge would probably be a better source. Waldron >>mmm- that's funny because my husband had the same reaction- first he was >>keen on the idea (for my safety, of course) but then thought better of it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I suspect that your interest will diminish; however, someone with > first hand knowledge would probably be a better source. Oddly enough, females are like males in the respect that treatment-related headache, nausea, weakness, joint aches and all those other flu-like symptoms generally overrides the desire for lovemaking. Funny, that. ; ) Waterspider On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:29:10 -0800 in <10tseidsu2ab1f@corp.supernews.com> "Waterspider" <waterspider@moonlight.net> said this: >>>mmm- that's funny because my husband had the same reaction- first he was >>>keen on the idea (for my safety, of course) but then thought better of it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >headache, nausea, weakness, joint aches and all those other flu-like >symptoms generally overrides the desire for lovemaking. Funny, that. "Desire" isn't the main issue. Generally, by 48 hours post injection, I'm feeling reasonably normal... or, maybe my definition of "normal" has suffered inflation. It's more of an ability thing from our experience. Waldron Depression is no laughing matter. <snicker, snicker> Quite seriously, with the little bit you've told us about your mental health history, I suggest that you get your liver doc and your shrink both on the same page before you begin treatment. The treatment drugs screw with your head pretty well and it would be good for you to be prepared. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Smiling Wickedly, elmoemerson@webtv.net answered: > Depression is no laughing matter. <snicker, snicker> Quite seriously, > with the little bit you've told us about your mental health history, I > suggest that you get your liver doc and your shrink both on the same > page before you begin treatment. The treatment drugs screw with your > head pretty well and it would be good for you to be prepared. > Elmo AMEN Brother. Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* -- *..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* The two stops are where we reload our steel drums full of buds to keep our pipes full. Its quite the space trip but well worth it. In the LL there is a simulated nude beach. On entering there will be a buddha made out of brass with a large platter full of all types of delights. Feel free to have a few. The food will consist of mostly deserts from all around the world. Medication will be distributed every 4 hours. There will be Yoga, frisbee, monopoly,scrabble,sex therapy, mental therapy,physical therapy and Barbie's Horse Adventures on play station 2. There will also be a S&M division for those who feel they need to be spanked. If there is any requests for this future trip please feel free to request them. Recreational Planner Juanita -- *..? ???)) -:?:- ?.?? .????)) ((??.?? .?? -:?:- Michael -:?:- -:?:- ((??.??* The two stops are where we reload our steel drums full of buds to keep our pipes full. Its quite the space trip but well worth it. In the LL there is a simulated nude beach. On entering there will be a buddha made out of brass with a large platter full of all types of delights. Feel free to have a few. The food will consist of mostly deserts from all around the world. Medication will be distributed every 4 hours. There will be Yoga, frisbee, monopoly,scrabble,sex therapy, mental therapy,physical therapy and Barbie's Horse Adventures on play station 2. There will also be a S&M division for those who feel they need to be spanked. If there is any requests for this future trip please feel free to request them. Recreational Planner Juanita Wow! sign me up Juanita! you had me with the sex ,drugs and food- but then you threw in Monopoly!! Whoa! LOL Sounds like quite a trip- Hey- can I bring Barbie into the S&M room? and the horse she came in on? I've had a bone to pick with her anyway- her and her scrawney plastic a.s. mercy (yeah- that's my name , Barbie, don't wear it out) -- *..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* Wow! sign me up Juanita! you had me with the sex ,drugs and food- but then you threw in Monopoly!! Whoa! LOL Sounds like quite a trip- Hey- can I bring Barbie into the S&M room? and the horse she came in on? I've had a bone to pick with her anyway- her and her scrawney plastic a.s. mercy (yeah- that's my name , Barbie, don't wear it out) Glad your in for the adventure. Going to outer space will become a weekly trip since your getting ready for treatment. You can bring Barbie where ever you like. Now days she is a Marine in Camos with a machine gun. The Martha Stewart Barbie is quite nice when one wants to play corporate crime games. LOL, Any way ,I did tx on interferon with no anti depressants, I made it. I did keep in mind that getting arrested would follow, if i drove my car into some one that was not driving the way I wanted them to, (like off a cliff). Tx made me short fused, but not reacting most all the time gave me control, and I like that part. Since your already on antiDs your already rather protected in advance. I'm sure your gonna enjoy Maffia Monopoly its a way improved method of playing. LOL Juanita -- *..? ???)) -:?:- ?.?? .????)) ((??.?? .?? -:?:- Michael -:?:- -:?:- ((??.??* Wow! sign me up Juanita! you had me with the sex ,drugs and food- but then you threw in Monopoly!! Whoa! LOL Sounds like quite a trip- Hey- can I bring Barbie into the S&M room? and the horse she came in on? I've had a bone to pick with her anyway- her and her scrawney plastic a.s. mercy (yeah- that's my name , Barbie, don't wear it out) Glad your in for the adventure. Going to outer space will become a weekly trip since your getting ready for treatment. You can bring Barbie where ever you like. Now days she is a Marine in Camos with a machine gun. The Martha Stewart Barbie is quite nice when one wants to play corporate crime games. LOL, Any way ,I did tx on interferon with no anti depressants, I made it. I did keep in mind that getting arrested would follow, if i drove my car into some one that was not driving the way I wanted them to, (like off a cliff). Tx made me short fused, but not reacting most all the time gave me control, and I like that part. Since your already on antiDs your already rather protected in advance. I'm sure your gonna enjoy Maffia Monopoly its a way improved method of playing. LOL Juanita OH! Mafia Monopoly! now you're talking! LOL Do I get a pearl-handled revolver to tuck in my garter? I don't trust Barbie OR Martha. Thanks for the reassurance, though, and I'm happy you and yours made it through unscathed. I think I'll prepare for the worst and expect the best. I know I can depend on my kids to tell me when mom's off the deep end! mercy Re: tx and depression Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Jan 6, 2005, 12:07pm (CST-2) From: Meling333@webtv.net (JV) -- *..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* Wow! sign me up Juanita! you had me with the sex ,drugs and food- but then you threw in Monopoly!! Whoa! LOL Sounds like quite a trip- Hey- can I bring Barbie into the S&M room? and the horse she came in on? I've had a bone to pick with her anyway- her and her scrawney plastic a.s. mercy (yeah- that's my name , Barbie, don't wear it out) Glad your in for the adventure. Going to outer space will become a weekly trip since your getting ready for treatment. You can bring Barbie where ever you like. Now days she is a Marine in Camos with a machine gun. The Martha Stewart Barbie is quite nice when one wants to play corporate crime games. LOL, Any way ,I did tx on interferon with no anti depressants, I made it. I did keep in mind that getting arrested would follow, if i drove my car into some one that was not driving the way I wanted them to, (like off a cliff). Tx made me short fused, but not reacting most all the time gave me control, and I like that part. Since your already on antiDs your already rather protected in advance. I'm sure your gonna enjoy Maffia Monopoly its a way improved method of playing. LOL Juanita /////////// Just because the anti-d you're taking now is working for you, don't assume that you're 'covered' when you start taking tx drugs. It's a chemically induced depression, not the natural you're on now. You may need to another or a different anti-d, your docs should have a plan. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Smiling Wickedly, JV answered: > > -- [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > free to request them. > Recreational Planner Juanita Why Juanita? Does that mean you're going to be my playmate? ;-) Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* As the recreational planner, its my job to keep you happy and play, Michael. You wont even remember tx after I recreational planner you about. :) hehe Juanita Smiling Wickedly, JV answered: > As the recreational planner, its my job to keep you happy and play, > Michael. > You wont even remember tx after I recreational planner you about. :›) > hehe Juanita LOL! :-) Signature*..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Michael -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* > Depression is no laughing matter. <snicker, snicker> Quite seriously, > with the little bit you've told us about your mental health history, I > suggest that you get your liver doc and your shrink both on the same > page before you begin treatment. The treatment drugs screw with your > head pretty well and it would be good for you to be prepared. > Elmo My shrink works with hepc patients, so I'm fortunate there. He seemed casual about it, though, when I brought it up. I plan to see him before i start so i'm going to discuss it further and maybe get some Klonapin like Wendy suggested. Maybe that along with Octobers harvest will keep things under control. If not, will you be my alibi? (I like a little black humour on my toast in the morning) mercy > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum |
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