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A trip to Las Vegas

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Gordo Mondragon - 27 Nov 2004 04:14 GMT
After a couple of really down weeks where I was sleeping 12 hours a
night and generally feeling pretty ill I took a chance and went with my
partner and his parents to Las Vegas for a short week.  I had a great
time, had a lot more energy than I thought I would.  What a freaking
weird place that is.  

It's Friday night and I'm about to jab myself with shot # 23 out of 24.  
Did the previous one on a Thursday so that I'd have more energy to
travel on Monday.  Flew back today.

Stress for me is the main destroyer of energy so I kept a low dose of
Xanax going the whole week (my father-in-law can be work to deal with
sometimes.)  One night I took a Marinol (once I was back at the hotel)
but otherwise was cannabis-free.  

It's amazing to me how much this tx turns mental states into physical
states.  I can spend two hours on the phone with work trying to get
people to understand what they're doing wrong and it kills me for the
rest of the day.  Actually, any sort of mental exertion is really
tiring, even simple stuff like paying bills.  This last week I only did
things I enjoyed and being in Las Vegas doesn't really require much
thought.  I had energy from 8 in the morning until 8 or 9 at night.  
Even did a little hiking on the day we drove out into the desert.  
That's always been one of my favorite things and it made me really happy
to be doing it.  Moved at my own pace, sometimes just sat and watched
other people gamble, even made a few hundred playing blackjack.  I'm not
much of a gambler and don't usually have good luck.  I guess this is
payback.

I even had a glass of wine with dinner on Thursday.  I figure if it
would make a difference at this point I'm already f.cked so I went for
it.  Pinot Noir, it was SO GOOD.

In terms of sharing experiences with tx, I discovered that when I did
non-stressful non-thinking activities I was actually able to enjoy them
a lot more than I would have predicted.  Most of the things I did I
would probably have turned down had they been local activities, and
before I went we worked out that I might have to stay in the hotel, or
just go out half-days, which didn't happen.  I felt that background
yuckiness all the time that made me feel draggy but I just offered it up
and when I felt the crankiness I kept my mouth shut when I didn't have
anything nice to say.   I was sort of surprised that the slow steady
activity didn't make me feel any worse all day (in the same way that a
midday nap doesn't make me feel any better) and caffeine, which I avoid
at home, really helped a lot.  I had a double espresso every afternoon
and I sailed through the rest of the day.  What I thought was just going
to be meeting family obligations was in fact fun.  

I wonder if some of the fear that activity would make me feel worse
actually has been the cause of my feeling worse (because of the
mental-to-physical thing) and when I was in a place where I was highly
distracted (and Las Vegas is nothing but distraction) I forgot about the
fear and lost some of the discomfort.  I'm also very happy about being
close to being done with treatment and I haven't done anything fun in
months, so I had a great attitude.

So in hindsight, I wish I had tried to push myself a little bit to do
fun things in the past few months that I didn't think I was up for,
because my fear of crashing out badly didn't happen this last week.  To
be fair to myself I did go to on a trip during week 5 or 6 where I
wasn't able to do much of anything at all so who knows.  

Tired and rambling....
Cactus Jammies - 27 Nov 2004 10:09 GMT
Hey Gordo,
 Your experiences are similar to mine with the mental and physical overlaps
thing.  And you're right about Las Vegas being the distraction it is.  I am
quite intending to stay stoned on pot for as much of the tx as is possible,
because of the way it distracts me from all the mental traps I can work
yourself into, and besides it really doesn't matter if you're stoned all the
time anyway, unless you drive a bus or something.  I have 'kicked the
chronic abuse of THC" a few times over the years, each time for a number of
years. The psychological effects of the loss of the effects of THC makes me
sweat for a day or two and cranky a bit but it goes away quickly.   I think
that is pretty normal response and recovery, actually.

I quit smoking cigarettes six years ago using zyban.  That stuff can sure
break up your concentration and keep your head moving.  Not for the faint.
Saw friends crash and burn using that stuff.  It was quite freaky, but I
think that the Strip and MGM corners in Vegas are really freaky.  Ralph J
Stedman fear and loathing. zoom.

Good on ya, Gordo

Cactus Jammies

> After a couple of really down weeks where I was sleeping 12 hours a
> night and generally feeling pretty ill I took a chance and went with my
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> Tired and rambling....
Gordo Mondragon - 27 Nov 2004 10:56 GMT
> Hey Gordo,
>   Your experiences are similar to mine with the mental and physical overlaps
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> yourself into, and besides it really doesn't matter if you're stoned all the
> time anyway, unless you drive a bus or something.

I'm in full agreement with you on how helpful the distance that MJ
provides is during treatment.  Many many times I've been feeling ill and
crabby and I take a ride in the weed balloon to a place just a little
bit over the rainbow.  I can see Kansas but Kansas's gravity isn't as
strong as it was and I am not so bound by its laws.  Which will make
sense if you're stoned, I think :)  I don't know that I could have made
it all these weeks without it.

What I wished I had tried more often during treatment was staying off of
it during the day or for a few days in a row and doing things - go to an
art museum, go to a big house salvage yard, go for an easy hike in the
country, go to open houses and look at how other people live, do
something in the garden, go to an upscale mall and pretend I can afford
things.  Mindless, outside, non-stoned activities that I wasn't thinking
I'd feel well enough to enjoy but I probably would have.

People keep saying that attitude is really important for getting through
tx but I never put it together is what they mean is that good and bad
attitudes have strong physical impacts on how you feel in your body, not
just in your mood.  In real life, attitude affects how you feel
emotionally more than physically like during tx.  Not that it's just
that easy to pop in a happy mood whenever you want, but I am now
realizing I should have tried more.

I'm also spending time planning what I'm going to do post-tx, there are
a bunch of pending projects.  I'm really looking forward to rinsing out
as many of the drugs as possible out of my body so I can re-establish
what "undrugged unmedicated normal" feels like.  I haven't enjoyed being
high for longer than the last month, and look forward to not needing its
effects (I did cannibis so rarely before this (at least since college))
that I never thought I'd say that I was tired of getting high.

[....]

> It was quite freaky, but I
> think that the Strip and MGM corners in Vegas are really freaky.  Ralph J
> Stedman fear and loathing. zoom.

I'd driven through Vegas a few times on trips as kids, then saw it again
in '97 and then again this last week.  The newer hotels (and almost all
of the hotels are very new, and ABSOLUTELY HUGE.  We were told that
10000 new hotel rooms had been added in the last 18 months and it was
going to double again in a year.  And most resorts were showing
consistent occupancy rates of over 90%.  

I didn't feel any more fear and loathing than I would feel at a new
jersey suburban shopping mall.  It's now so much more like the movie
_Showgirls_ (which you owe yourself to see, it's so amazingly bad in so
many different ways, but really well shot and edited) than Rat Pack or
Ocean's 11.   Whoever designs these places gets the idea of "fun
spectacle" really well so places like New York New York, and Paris, and
Mandalay Bay (with a great walk-through acquarium with sharks and
turtles) are just cool things to walk around through and look at.  Also
the service is even better and more competent than what you'd expect
from say Disneyworld - you ask for something you get it - and the food
was almost always good to very good, even the buffets in the cheaper
hotels.  

Nickel games paid the best for us but I always felt like the chicken in
the box in the psychology film trying to be trained to peck to get a
piece of corn but I wasn't getting any corn, just pecking.  Blackjack I
had a run of bad luck at first but two days later, tried again and made
it back and enough more to pay for fancy dinner for 4 for Thanksgiving.  

So it wasn't as horrible as I thought it would be.

G
Cactus Jammies - 27 Nov 2004 17:48 GMT
I don't feel any specific kind of threat or dread at the conjuring of Las
Vegas.  We were there ten years ago, and I'm working on the assumption that
it's still like one big theme park with no real depth to it.  Nobody cares
anyways.  I have had incredibly good luck at the dumb sucker machines over
the years.  Luck is like moving around in fields and zones and you just have
to be under the magic tree when the Luck Lightening starts.  You can't take
it seriously, for most people that could be a big problem I think.  Our
so-called state licensed casinos are little more than walk throughs where
seniors and blue rinsers shuffle through and leave their inheritances.  That
is sad, but Vegas rises above that.

The fear and loathing part was a reference to the paranoic ramblings in a
book about the convention of the NRA, very whacked out.  They made a movie
out of it.

Cactus Jammies

>> Hey Gordo,
>>   Your experiences are similar to mine with the mental and physical
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> G
Gordo Mondragon - 27 Nov 2004 18:31 GMT
[...]

> The fear and loathing part was a reference to the paranoic ramblings in a
> book about the convention of the NRA, very whacked out.  They made a movie
> out of it.

Yes, one of my favorite books.  I remember driving to Vegas after
reading it with a bunch of my punk friends in the mid-70's and standing
on corners yelling "THE PROBLEM IS YOU" at people who were too addled to
even notice us.
Cactus Jammies - 27 Nov 2004 18:46 GMT
I guess that was the Republican National Convention, the other NRA thing was
set in an election in Colorado, I think.  That and Bukowski make for an
eclectic Saturday mix, oh boy!

Cactus Jammies

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> on corners yelling "THE PROBLEM IS YOU" at people who were too addled to
> even notice us.
Red Dwarf - 27 Nov 2004 10:41 GMT
Gordo, I am so envious of you short timers.If I knew I was going to contract
HCV, I would have opted for the type 2 or 3, and definitely not 1.But,
nobody asked me. :-)  I'm glad you had a good trip. I've never been to
Vegas. There are daily junkets from Hawaii to Vegas, and a lot of folks from
here go there. I always wondered where people who live in Hawaii went for
vacation.I guess any sort of distraction is helpful. I just went to see that
new movie with Nick Cage, National Treasure, and for 21/2 hours, did not
think about any health issues at all. It was sort of a mini-vacation. Great
movie though!
John
p.s. Gordo, paying the monthlies is the most stressful thing I have to deal
with, because I am unable to add or subtract or think coherently at all. I'm
sure they love it when I walk into the bank, and ask for their patience and
assistance.When in my working life in CA, performing complex calculations
was easy and fun,(sort of). But now it requires all of my effort just adding
a column of figures, and that's with a calculator as well.

> After a couple of really down weeks where I was sleeping 12 hours a
> night and generally feeling pretty ill I took a chance and went with my
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>
> Tired and rambling....
 
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