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Michael L. Arends - 28 Oct 2004 01:45 GMT

Got back from my Doctors office a short time ago, a quick checkin type
of thing. The ARNP running the treatment for my doctor went over the
blood work for the past 2 weeks (2 different draws), and said everything
looked good.

HOWEVER, she said my liver #'s continued to go up. She says it is STILL
in what is considered the High Normal range, and at this point it's not
a concern.

So I asked her what might be making the numbers go up, and she said it
could be my liver working extra hard or something, and a couple of other
things.. I can't remember right now.

NOW, I couldn't ask her this, but would anyone here know anything, or
have an educated opinion on whether taking 6-8 Tokes of green daily
would make my liver #'s go up?

I Mean, while it IS helping the sides, if it is going to be making my
Liver #'s go up instead of get better, then I should stop shouldn't I?

I mean I can't ask my ARNP about this, as I promised I would not use any
" Illicit drugs " during TX, and had to sign a statement that actually
had a paragraph in it, that stated I will not use Illicit drugs during
TX under penalty of possibly having TX stopped.

ANYONE?

Michael

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Red Dwarf - 28 Oct 2004 06:02 GMT

Michael, I do not know if this helps, but my provider told us pretty much
the same thing, she did make an exception though for weed. It would NOT
disqualify me from TX. Anything else would though. In Hawaii there an
epidemic of speed called ice. It is very destructive to families, and
responsible for a lot of property crimes, i.e. auto theft,etc. This is
especially what they are looking for when urine screening, that and alcohol.
Incidentally, my LFT's were never elevated, even when I indulged.
John

> Got back from my Doctors office a short time ago, a quick checkin type
> of thing. The ARNP running the treatment for my doctor went over the
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> Michael

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Gordo Mondragon - 28 Oct 2004 15:21 GMT

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> NOW, I couldn't ask her this, but would anyone here know anything, or
> have an educated opinion on whether taking 6-8 Tokes of green daily
> would make my liver #'s go up?

I have consumed more than that per day, on average, and it hasn't had
that effect. My doctor didn't think there was any issue with it - just
the opposite, in fact - and gave me a prescription for Marinol in case I
couldn't find the real stuff. Maybe you can complain about the nausea
to your doc and get a script for it, so you have a reason for it to be
in your bloodstream.

I remember at least one other person since I've been here saying that
their liver #'s varied during tx.

Take care
Gordo

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Michael L. Arends - 29 Oct 2004 00:08 GMT

Gordo Mondragon answered:

>>NOW, I couldn't ask her this, but would anyone here know anything, or
>>have an educated opinion on whether taking 6-8 Tokes of green daily
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> to your doc and get a script for it, so you have a reason for it to be
> in your bloodstream.

Thanks Gordo, I had thought of that actually, But now that you agree I
think I'll definitely ask. Can't hurt to ask any way.

> I remember at least one other person since I've been here saying that
> their liver #'s varied during tx.
>
> Take care
> Gordo

Thats good to know. I want this sh.t to work for me pretty bad, and
don't want to jepordize my chances, so If I'm causing myself harm,
by smoking a little bud. I guess I'll have to stop.

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Waterspider - 28 Oct 2004 20:14 GMT

> Got back from my Doctors office a short time ago, a quick checkin type
> of thing. The ARNP running the treatment for my doctor went over the
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> had a paragraph in it, that stated I will not use Illicit drugs during
> TX under penalty of possibly having TX stopped.

Hi Mike,

Sorry I can't help you with any studies on the subject, but my personal
experience tells me that smoking weed is pretty easy on your liver. The
medical profession here in Canada seems to agree, because hepatitis c is one
of the diseases that qualifies for "medical marijuana" from the government.
I toked, daily, throughout treatment, and it was successful.

All the best,

Waterspider

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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 28 Oct 2004 20:24 GMT

Re: Question for the group..

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Oct 28, 2004, 7:14pm (CDT+5)
From: waterspider@moonshine.net (Waterspider)
"Michael L. Arends" <mlarends@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Sc6dnbSrEYaq3B3cRVn-hA@giganews.com...
Got back from my Doctors office a short time ago, a quick checkin type
of thing. The ARNP running the treatment for my doctor went over the
blood work for the past 2 weeks (2 different draws), and said everything
looked good.
HOWEVER, she said my liver #'s continued to go up. She says it is STILL
in what is considered the High Normal range, and at this point it's not
a concern.
So I asked her what might be making the numbers go up, and she said it
could be my liver working extra hard or something, and a couple of other
things.. I can't remember right now.
NOW, I couldn't ask her this, but would anyone here know anything, or
have an educated opinion on whether taking 6-8 Tokes of green daily
would make my liver #'s go up?
I Mean, while it IS helping the sides, if it is going to be making my
Liver #'s go up instead of get better, then I should stop shouldn't I? I
mean I can't ask my ARNP about this, as I promised I would not use any "
Illicit drugs " during TX, and had to sign a statement that actually had
a paragraph in it, that stated I will not use Illicit drugs during TX
under penalty of possibly having TX stopped.
Hi Mike,
Sorry I can't help you with any studies on the subject, but my personal
experience tells me that smoking weed is pretty easy on your liver. The
medical profession here in Canada seems to agree, because hepatitis c is
one of the diseases that qualifies for "medical marijuana" from the
government. I toked, daily, throughout treatment, and it was successful.
All the best,
Waterspider
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Gosh, I'm starting to feel nauseated. Hep me please?
Elmo

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Michael L. Arends - 29 Oct 2004 00:14 GMT

Waterspider answered:

> Hi Mike,
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> Waterspider

Thanks Spidey.. If I may call you Spidey???? :-)

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Don - 28 Oct 2004 22:29 GMT

>I Mean, while it IS helping the sides, if it is going to be making my
>Liver #'s go up instead of get better, then I should stop shouldn't I?
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>
>Michael

Michael, I don't think the mota would have much to do with it at all
and that you shouldn't kill something you enjoy and find beneficial
getting through the long ordeal of tx. ALT and AST fluctuate during
tx and even not during tx because there are many factors that can
affect them. Exercise being one. Many prescription drugs and over
the counter can alter them. I found a web page once about all the
stuff that messed with the LFTs and was surprised. Keep the liver
healthy and they will follow. I believe during TX the doc monitors
the LFTs to watch for a dangerous spike indicating a possible
autoimmune attack like autoimmune hepatitis which can quickly turn a
tx session to hell because you wind up destroying something you were
looking to protect. Small fluctuations should generally be ignored.
As has been said time and again the drop you're shooting for is in the
VL.

Hey they didn't have a clause about checking a urine sample without
asking you did they? I wouldn't show up at your monthly sessions
toasted as it's pretty easy to spot. But most of all, don't toke up
right in front of the ARNPs glass door before going in or in their
bathroom while you take a whiz. I know because after the second time
I got caught, it took some fast talking to keep from getting booted
out of the program. And if you need a liver later on they may scratch
you off the list and that would be a bummer. Stay high, man.

Don

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Gooth - 29 Oct 2004 13:30 GMT

I haven't looked in this group for a long time, since a sequence of 3
all-clears after 48 weeks for my Genotype 1a. During the treatment the green
was my best friend and my practicioner was very interested in how I got on
with it. I found it papered over the cracks of my fragile sanity and brought
comfort from the physical sides.

Never was it suggested that green was bad and whilst it couldn't be condoned
I think the boss was quite pleased with the way it all went.

Team Pothead for teh win!!

Gooth

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> Got back from my Doctors office a short time ago, a quick checkin type
> of thing. The ARNP running the treatment for my doctor went over the
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>
> Michael

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Lookout - 01 Nov 2004 16:40 GMT

>I haven't looked in this group for a long time, since a sequence of 3
>all-clears after 48 weeks for my Genotype 1a. During the treatment the green
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>
>Gooth

After reading all this I'm kinda glad I was to far gone for any
treatment. Waiting 6 1/2 was hell but at least I wasn't sick most of
the time.

John

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