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An explanation of sorts; long, be patient

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Red Dwarf - 25 Oct 2004 11:35 GMT
It's taken a couple of days to try to get my wits together and make some
sense of the events and polarization of the last few days. I was thrilled to
find there was indeed a support group for folks like me dealing with HCV,
and related issues.However as is probably true for some others, this is not
the sole health/social issue I'm dealing with. I do understand that I have
spent and apparently still do dwell on what has been described as
self-pity.At 53 y.o., this is the first time in my entire life this has been
true. Try to understand some of the issues. In the recent past I have
detailed my health issues ad nauseum, so I won't do that now. However, in
the last 2 1/2 years I have made a number of important decisions that have
affected me and those who were close to me adversely, and those decisions
were the absolutely the wrong thing to have done. I made the mistake of
putting my faith and complete trust in someone who had convinced me that my
and my daughter's best interest were at heart. To make a long story shorter,
I was betrayed,, we had a falling out,(you don't want to know the details),
and abandoned, after having put all of my strength and assets into
relocating here in Hawaii. I have been paralyzed emotionally, and other
ways, and am having great difficulty trusting my judgment and decisions. In
this venue and others I have asked for input, or suggestions, and the range
of responses is incredible. My decisions have ruined the life of a teenage
girl, and she now has issues trusting adults and others. I cannot go back in
time. I'll bet most of us wish we could. I had literally and figuratively
followed a powerful personality cult like figure. What a mistake.This
individual thrived on personal power, and used the powers of persuasion and
the gift of gab to gain his own ends, which I know now were extremely
selfish. After this falling out I have been assaulted and threatened,(no I
cannot go the authorities, no proof).This individual, believe it or not,
thrives on my suffering, like an psychic vampire. Yes, they exist. You may
have met them yourself.They increase their personal power base by
influencing others lives,insinuating themselves into your life, and
manipulating you and yours to no end. This individual caused me to cut ties
to what family and friends I did have. This assures him control over ones
life completely. It's all about power believe it or not.He never,never took
no for an answer. I was gradually worn down, and trusted him. Know this
people, there is truly evil out there in this world, however, they rarely
see themselves as such.This has been my personal experience. May God help
and forgive me. I am only human, and as such imperfect.

To all of this, add in the mix of failing health, HCV and TX, and maybe now
you may begin to understand why some of the issues I have brought up have
little to do with HCV.The decisions I made were virtually irrevocable.
Unfortunately or perhaps wisely I have consulted with a number of
counselors, shrinks, social workers, etc.And although well meaning, not a
damn one of them has been able to help put me on the path to healing,
trusting, and making wise and good decisions.Everyone I consult has their
own approach and ideas, depending upon their training and experience. Most
of these professional helpers just show up and justify their own existence
and job security. I haven't found a darn one who can help me, I'm running
out of strength. In all aspects.

O.K, now I have really bared my soul, so to speak.If it does seem as if I'm
wallowing in a pool of self pity, I apologize. That is probably true. If
there are some of you out there who do not wish to hear from me, then please
put me in your kill file. It's easy enough to do.For just a little while
longer I shall continue to ask questions, and perhaps, who knows, the right
answer may present itself. In the meanwhile, for the most part I have and am
enjoying meeting and communicating with some nice folks.The majority of you
all out there.We all, at one time or another require support in one form or
another, and for the most part I have been pleased with the responses I have
received here at a.s.hc. On those occasions I have been able to help others
it makes me feel good and gives one a sense of worthiness.Thank you for your
responses and inputs and your patience. If you wish to say something a
little more personally and not publicly, just e-mail me. I will listen, and
enjoy the contact. However if there are you who only wish to hurt further,
save it.We're full up.
Maybe some of you may recognize some of yourself here. I hope this help
explain the nature of some of my posts here.
Thanks, John
ghibeluno - 25 Oct 2004 15:14 GMT
John,

   I think everyone of us has their own life, and each life, each story, is
different.

As you say, what we're living is a direct consequence of the decisions we
make, at every single moment.
Perhaps I do recognize something mine in what you've written... yes I do,
and I've thinking about it.

I've been comparing my actual life to what I would like it to be or to
others' lives.
I've made a lot of errors. I've made a lot of wrong decisions.
I've been thinking that I ruined my beloved lives.

I admit that I use to have these thougths now and probably that I will, in
the future.

Sometimes I can't prevent my brain from the free flowing of my bad thoughts.
They bring me to a horrible mood, as I wonder how my life would have been if
I did make the right decisions, if I had the courage to do the right thing.

No doubt it's no longer useful. It has never been, actually.
What is all this sorrow for?
Who can take benefit from it?
Not me, not you, nobody can.

One thing is to know ourselves, another one is to keep on hurting ourselves.

Actually, we've two chances: one is to keep on *thinking* about our own
life, about the past, and feel sick about.
The other one is to look forward. Towards the rest of it. And doing
something different.
Noone can state it would be nice, or bad, who knows actually? but it is your
own life, my own life.
We DO have the power to manage it, we only need the courage to reach out.

Some days ago somebody posted a nice piece of text here. Title was "Watch
yourself".
It was a kind of look-at-it from-the-other-side thing.
Start doing something different today, now!
Take your bad mood and throw it behind your shoulders.
It won't help you carrying it ahead.
You know it and that's enough, you don't actually need it anymore.

Believe me, John, I'm telling all this to you and to me as well: it's time
to go on, towards whatever it will be, the story, your story, has come to
the next chapter.

One more thing: the way you're dealing with treatment is a great help to me.
I've been thinking about how hard it can be to face it if you're alone.

Ciao,
jeeb.
Red Dwarf - 25 Oct 2004 23:26 GMT
Jeeb, It sounds as though you understand pretty well.If you look at the
date/time you can tell that I do not sleep much at all. When I try to sleep,
I get what you called the"free flowing of bad thoughts", and cannot
sleep.These damn nights are long,,and with the lack of sleep, and different
medications, I'm afraid to lie there in bed trying to sleep.Sometimes
someone says something I find valuable, and another says something else, I
try to put these thoughts/ideas together and make some sense.Often times
though, when trying to string these thoughts/ideas they make no sense
whatsoever. I do agree with you that it's time to move on. Eventually I may
figure out how to do this. I hope there is a next chapter .Tnx Jeeb
"ghibeluno"

<ghibelno___NOSPAMMEPLEASE___@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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>> We DO have the power to manage it, we only need the courage to reach out.
>
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> It won't help you carrying it ahead.
> You know it and that's enough, you don't actually need it anymore.
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> Believe me, John, I'm telling all this to you and to me as well: it's time
> to go on, towards whatever it will be, the story, your story, has come to
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> Ciao,
> jeeb.
SteveS - 25 Oct 2004 20:13 GMT
I'll also start out with a warning.  This will be corny.
To every thing there is a season.  A time.
A time to reach out for help
A time to be candid
A time to whine, grieve, regret,
A time for anger.
A time to support, a time to be firm,
A time to let go of the past.

Do your time as you need to.  This is a support group.
Take what you need and leave the rest.
Sometimes what you need is to support someone else.

Thanks for sharing your story.
A time for advice:  You say...
>>gives (me) a sense of worthiness.
Don't bother looking for something you already have, it can make you dotty.

Steve

> It's taken a couple of days to try to get my wits together and make some
> sense of the events and polarization of the last few days. I was thrilled
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> explain the nature of some of my posts here.
> Thanks, John
Red Dwarf - 25 Oct 2004 23:58 GMT
Steve, Wise words.Thanks for letting me share my story. Wish I knew how it
all turns out.As a younger, stronger, healthier man, I struck out on my own,
made some positive accomplishments. However, while being obsessed with these
health issues, it's more difficult to know the right path to take.Just
staying alive is a full time job that drains energy and leaves me with no
strength, much less the ability to make important decisions with
intelligence and wisdom. These last couple of days I've noticed that the
edema is back, along with the intense itching in the left leg.The kind of
itching that demands scratching, and ends up with bloody open wounds that
take a long time to heal.The greater the upset, the more intense the
itch.It's a kind of a cycle/loop without end. Yet the doctor says these
things are extrahepatic manifestations of HCV. I need to get the hell out of
the house today, even if for only an hour or so.
John

> I'll also start out with a warning.  This will be corny.
> To every thing there is a season.  A time.
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> > and related issues.However as is probably true for some others, this is
> > not
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> > Maybe some of you may recognize some of yourself here. I hope this help
> > explain the nature of some of my posts here.
> > Thanks, John
SteveS - 26 Oct 2004 00:57 GMT
Do what you need to do.
The stuff you procrastinate about is NOT what you need to do.
You need to take a walk or something today.  Do that.

I found hydrocortisone cream helped with the itching.
Take some meditation instruction for the worries.
Learn how to still your mind.  It's well worth it.

Steve

> Steve, Wise words.Thanks for letting me share my story. Wish I knew how it
> all turns out.As a younger, stronger, healthier man, I struck out on my
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>> > explain the nature of some of my posts here.
>> > Thanks, John
Susie Quill - 25 Oct 2004 22:54 GMT
> It's taken a couple of days to try to get my wits together and make some
> sense of the events and polarization of the last few days. I was thrilled
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> explain the nature of some of my posts here.
> Thanks, John

John,
I think that as we get older, and have made the choices that have put us
where we are, many of us have regrets.  I'm angry every day over some of the
dumb choices I've made.
I can't seem to shake the anger altogether, but I'm still working on it
because it doesn't do me any good now.

Perhaps the true test is how we handle the aftermath of the bad choices that
we have made.  You were strong enough to pull away from this influence.
Many people are still living in cults and can't get it together enough to
leave for one reason or another.  There are people in bad relationships that
can't get it together enough to leave for one reason or another.  I was in
one.  It caused a lot of damage to me and my family, but at least I got out.

Helping others is probably one of the best things we can do to repair our
own lives.  Your doing the best you can and trying to do better.  That is
all any of us can do.
Hugs,
Susie
(flying out tonight....that should help my attitude a lot  : )  )
Lookout - 25 Oct 2004 22:57 GMT
>> It's taken a couple of days to try to get my wits together and make some
>> sense of the events and polarization of the last few days. I was thrilled
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>Susie
>(flying out tonight....that should help my attitude a lot  : )  )

Hey Susie..this interested me." I'm angry every day over some of the
dumb choices I've made."
I try to look at this from another angle. I can't change the mistakes
I've made so I don't dwell on them. At all. In fact I like to think
that no matter what happened as long as I learned something from the
experience then it is a positive experience.

John
Red Dwarf - 26 Oct 2004 00:08 GMT
Susie, you always seem to know the right thing to say. I hope your sleep
study turns out o.k. When I did it, they connected me to a number of
different leads, and monitored using cctv and stuff like that. It felt
weird, but was noninvasive and harmless. Sleep well and enjoy your trip.
John

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> John,
> I think that as we get older, and have made the choices that have put us
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buster - 27 Oct 2004 02:22 GMT
John, I would tell ya my long list of things gone South but my bleach towel
wouldn't caught all your tears, let alone all  the tears of the rest of the
group.  Dig deep, hold tight and let time be your friend.     Buster
Red Dwarf - 27 Oct 2004 09:42 GMT
Now that I look at it from this side, it does on the surface sound like the
ravings of a madman. Time heals all wounds I've heard, I can only hope.At
least you called me by my proper name instead of pineapple.I truly hated
that, only I was too polite to make anything of it. One thing though, I'm
not sure what you mean by bleach towel, as opposed to any towel.
John

> John, I would tell ya my long list of things gone South but my bleach towel
> wouldn't caught all your tears, let alone all  the tears of the rest of the
> group.  Dig deep, hold tight and let time be your friend.     Buster
buster - 27 Oct 2004 23:28 GMT
What that means is my list is so long and sad that a normal towel wouldnt
caught all  your tears or others of this group.

> Now that I look at it from this side, it does on the surface sound like
> the
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> the
>> group.  Dig deep, hold tight and let time be your friend.     Buster
 
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