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Cody - 27 Jun 2004 00:49 GMT
From a NY Times article:

Schering-Plough's tactics, these people said, included paying doctors large
sums to prescribe its drug for hepatitis C and to take part in
company-sponsored clinical trials that were little more than thinly
disguised marketing efforts that required little effort on the doctors'
part. Doctors who demonstrated disloyalty by testing other company's drugs,
or even talking favorably about them, risked being barred from the
Schering-Plough money stream.<<

See the rest at

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/27/business/27DRUG.final.html?hp

Cody
HoofPrints - 27 Jun 2004 00:55 GMT
> From a NY Times article:
>
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>
> Cody

Kaiser wouldn't allow me to switch to Infergen, excuse used: " it's not
in our formulary."
Am,gen was most helpful in giving me advice as to out to ge them to
prescribe Infergen, but the Gastro refused the request and suddenly I
was taken out ot tx. because of a rise in my LFT's

Remember tho', amgen success rate back then was only a couple of
percentage points about Intron_A and length of treatment for everyone
was 6 months.
Relapsers could go into further treatment if they showed a sustained
viral response, and then relapsed.
I didn't even know what genotype i was, so the 6 months for a 1A
wouldn't have been enuff anyway, no matter which drug I was using.
hoof

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Lady Chatterly - 28 Jun 2004 02:37 GMT
> > From a NY Times article:
> >
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> I didn't even know what genotype i was, so the 6 months for a 1A
> wouldn't have been enuff anyway, no matter which drug I was using.

Are you certain?
fonzz - 27 Jun 2004 03:20 GMT
Cody,

Thank you for contributing this article. Sometimes I (we) forget that you
actually
do have hep c, and aren't here only to annoy Elmo.

fonzz
> From a NY Times article:
>
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>
> Cody
Cody - 27 Jun 2004 11:19 GMT
> Cody,
>
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>
> fonzz

I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my liver
is in for my peace or lack of peace -- if the biopsy shows a lot of
damage -- of mind.

Cody

> > From a NY Times article:
> >
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> >
> > Cody
fonzz - 27 Jun 2004 21:10 GMT
> I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
> what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my liver
> is in for my peace or lack of peace -- if the biopsy shows a lot of
> damage -- of mind.
>
> Cody

Good luck. It ain't a big deal. Get the drugs!

fonzz
Cody - 27 Jun 2004 23:57 GMT
> > I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
> > what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my liver
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> fonzz

You mean the drugs to make the biopsy painless? If so, don't worry, I will.

Cody
Paul - 27 Jun 2004 23:15 GMT
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:19:11 GMT, "Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid>, in
message ID <zaxDc.44642$kn2.481521@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
>what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my liver
>is in for my peace or lack of peace -- if the biopsy shows a lot of
>damage -- of mind.

Well done Cody.  I'm glad to read what you've posted.  I do realise
that you prefer not to do interferon/riba tx but at least the choice
will now be an informed one.  If your liver damage is  mildish,
viramidine looks likely to be around in the next few years to replace
ribavirin.  Apparently, the sides are usually mild to non-existent
with viramidine - though there would still be the possible (probable)
interferon sides if you end up needing to do some tx.
Best of luck.
Keep us posted, won't you please?
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Cody - 27 Jun 2004 23:59 GMT
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:19:11 GMT, "Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid>, in
> message ID <zaxDc.44642$kn2.481521@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup
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> Best of luck.
> Keep us posted, won't you please?

I will. When did viramidine come out?

Cody
Paul - 28 Jun 2004 05:25 GMT
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:59:09 GMT, "Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid>, in
message ID <1jIDc.44842$kn2.491273@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I will. When did viramidine come out?

It's still a forthcoming attraction but I understand that they are in
advanced stage 3 trials with.  It is meant to be the most hopeful
development to reduce/eliminate the sides from the ribavirin part of
the therapy.  If you are able to wait a while, you would probably be
doing yourself a big favour.
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Cody - 28 Jun 2004 08:37 GMT
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:59:09 GMT, "Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid>, in
> message ID <1jIDc.44842$kn2.491273@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup
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> the therapy.  If you are able to wait a while, you would probably be
> doing yourself a big favour.

With socialised medicine, nothing is quick. I have to go see the head liver
doc and then be scheduled for a biopsy which probably won't happen until
after the August holidays.

Cody
Paul - 28 Jun 2004 09:53 GMT
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:37:59 GMT, "Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid>, in
message ID <rVPDc.44857$kn2.494572@news.ono.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>With socialised medicine, nothing is quick. I have to go see the head liver
>doc and then be scheduled for a biopsy which probably won't happen until
>after the August holidays.

I experienced those delays too Cody.  I was dx'd early July '03 and
started tx in mid March '04.  Part of the delay was normal waiting,
part was the hospital making a cock-up with one of my appointments,
and part was me delaying it myself while I had a holiday.  The biopsy
happened in mid January.
If everything had gone smoothly I would have had the biopsy in early
December and could have started tx by Christmas.
Mind you, I badly needed that holiday before starting tx.
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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 28 Jun 2004 02:46 GMT
|I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my
liver is in for my peace or lack of peace -- if the biopsy shows a lot
of damage -- of mind.
Cody
.........
Hope your biopsy goes easy and that if gives you peace of mind that you
don't need treatment.  Thanks for your kind words in another post.  :-)
Elmo

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Cody - 28 Jun 2004 09:17 GMT
> |I've finally decided to get a biopsy and I made this decision based on
> what's been posted here. I really need to find out what condition my
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Hope your biopsy goes easy and that if gives you peace of mind that you
> don't need treatment.

Thanks, Elmo.

> Thanks for your kind words in another post.  :-)
> Elmo

I meant them.

Cody
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Jun 2004 13:39 GMT
ahahahahahaha
///////////
Cody,
Thank you for contributing this article. Sometimes I (we) forget that
you actually
do have hep c, and aren't here only to annoy Elmo.
fonzz
"Cody" <nada@aka.nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:WXnDc.44616$kn2.478132@news.ono.com...
From a NY Times article:
Schering-Plough's tactics, these people said, included paying doctors
large sums to prescribe its drug for hepatitis C and to take part in
company-sponsored clinical trials that were little more than thinly
disguised marketing efforts that required little effort on the doctors'
part. Doctors who demonstrated disloyalty by testing other company's
drugs, or even talking favorably about them, risked being barred from
the Schering-Plough money stream.<<
See the rest at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/27/business/27DRUG.final.html?hp
Cody

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
Cody - 27 Jun 2004 14:00 GMT
> Cody,
>
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>
> fonzz

Elmo's all right when he's not hung up on insulting me or dwelling on bodily
functions. Believe it or not, I've learned a lot from *some* of his posts.

Cody

> > From a NY Times article:
> >
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> >
> > Cody
Suzanne Callison - 27 Jun 2004 14:29 GMT
Hmmm, the doctor in the article (Chris Pappas)is the one I met with two
weeks ago.

Suzanne

> Cody,
>
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>
> fonzz
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Jun 2004 13:36 GMT
As soon as my doc started testing Roche's meds, Scherring-Plough quit
coming around.  I thought it was due to the fact the doc decided not
prescribe Scherring's poison.
Elmo  

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
Cody - 27 Jun 2004 13:58 GMT
> As soon as my doc started testing Roche's meds, Scherring-Plough quit
> coming around.  I thought it was due to the fact the doc decided not
> prescribe Scherring's poison.
> Elmo

Now you know the real reason. Disgusting, isn't it that these companies
spend more money on marketing than developing new drugs.

Cody
 
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