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NEWS: HCV May Respond to Herbal Concoction

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Thomas Wagner - 26 May 2004 17:22 GMT
HCV May Respond to Herbal Concoction, Including Mistletoe, When
Interferon Fails

By Karla Gale

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters Health) May 19 - Treatment with a mix of herbs that
includes extracts of mistletoe and green tomato may lead to a sustained
response in patients with hepatitis C (HCV) for whom treatment with
pegylated interferon-alpha has failed or is contraindicated, according
to findings presented here at Digestive Disease Week.

Dr. Harald Matthes and colleagues included 85 patients in their sample,
7 of whom withdrew from the study. Treatment included subcutaneous
injections of mistletoe extract (Viscum album), and oral extracts of
green tomato (Solanum lycopersicum) and Hepatodoron (Fragaria vesca and
Tritis vinifer).

After 12 months, 18% were complete responders, 49% were partial
responders and 33% were nonresponders. After 1 more year of treatment
and an additional 6 months' follow-up, the corresponding rates were 44%,
28% and 28%.

About 60% of patients exhibited local responses to the injection, but
otherwise adverse events were mild and uncommon. The group estimates the
cost to treat each patient who achieves a sustained response is $5,600
with the herbal extracts, compared with $28,000 for treatment with
interferon.

In an interview with Reuters Health, Dr. Matthes, based at Charite
University of Berlin in Germany, explained that the mistletoe extract
activates CD4 T helper-1 cells to induce an HCV-specific immune
response, and the Hepatodoron stimulates liver regeneration.

The green tomato contains alkaloids that induce apoptosis through the
caspase 8 pathway. "This is important because HCV blocks heaptocyte
apoptosis, which is required to clear infected cells from the liver," he
said.

[...] Dr. Paul Pockros, from Scripps Clinic in La Jolla, California,
told Reuters Health he was concerned that herbal treatment could induce
heaptocyte apoptosis, "which could be quite dangerous for patients with
an impaired hepatic reserve." He also thinks it should not be
recommended until its mechanism of action is better understood.

However, he agrees with Dr. Matthes that such treatment could be
appropriate for patients who have no other choice of treatment for HCV.
[...]

Full text at http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478275
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Paulus Woodgnome - 27 May 2004 19:45 GMT
I was very surprised by this article. Up until now I have never heard of
anyone having an SVR without interferon.(I assume that's what they mean by
'complete responders').  Has anyone else?

It seems to me that IF this treatment is harmless in other ways then it
would be preferable to the standard treatment for those who are not in a
hurry. Better to try a treatment for two years that doesn't make you feel
like sh.t and which may very well work than one that knocks the stuffing out
of you and for which the likelihood of an SVR is not much better. It's like
gambling in a way. You can bet big at the casino with the fair chance of
making a good winning but an even better chance of losing a lot of money. Or
you can buy loto tickets. You've got bugger all chance of winning much,
though you MAY win the jackpot, but either way it doesn't cost much to try.

Only question is, where do you find this stuff (green tomatoes aside) and a
doctor willing to monitor you on it?

> HCV May Respond to Herbal Concoction, Including Mistletoe, When
> Interferon Fails
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> Full text at http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478275
> Thomas
Thomas Wagner - 28 May 2004 00:07 GMT
>I was very surprised by this article. Up until now I have never heard of
>anyone having an SVR without interferon.(I assume that's what they mean by
>'complete responders').  Has anyone else?

Yes, I was very surprised myself - this study wasn't mentioned in any of
the "developing treatments" papers I've seen, yet it must have been
going on for more than two years. "Complete response" does mean SVR, I
found a more detailed report here:
http://www.natap.org/2004/DDW/ddw_10.htm

>It seems to me that IF this treatment is harmless in other ways then it
>would be preferable to the standard treatment for those who are not in a
>hurry. Better to try a treatment for two years that doesn't make you feel
>like sh.t and which may very well work than one that knocks the stuffing out
>of you and for which the likelihood of an SVR is not much better.

I agree - but the NATAP report is cautious: "Although these pilot
preliminary studies suggested benefit, the potential risks and harm
associated with use of mistletoe are unknown and not recommended. Even
for patients with limited options who may have not had a response to
interferon/ribavirin therapy, use of mistletoe is risky as new HCV drugs
are expected in several years and there are several therapeutic options
that may be beneficial and be less risky such as maintenance interferon
therapy and Consensus Interferon. At last year's DDW there was a report
on the use of a tomatoe sauce concoction from researchers in Italy that
appeared to show benefit as well."

Mistletoe does have its risks, but so do Interferon and Ribavirin. It's
not something to self-medicate, as an overdose is fatal, and allergic
reactions are relatively common. Still, if it's well supervised it
should certainly be an interesting alternative.

>Only question is, where do you find this stuff (green tomatoes aside) and a
>doctor willing to monitor you on it?

Not in the US, unfortunately: "subcutaneous injections of mistletoe are
considered a drug rather than a dietary substance, and have not been
approved by the FDA."

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A.Melon - 29 May 2004 08:50 GMT
> >I was very surprised by this article. Up until now I have never heard of
> >anyone having an SVR without interferon.(I assume that's what they mean by
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> going on for more than two years. "Complete response" does mean SVR, I
> found a more detailed report here:

*snigger* Only a clown in a *pretty red shirt* would post something that
*Stoopid*
 
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