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Julie - 27 Apr 2004 02:58 GMT
Hey everyone,
Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
this.
I feel like one big emotional chunk of sadness tonight and I'm falling apart
in slow motion, piece by piece.  I know it's just the side effects so I'm
trying to just let this happen knowing that this will pass, but I have been
in tears nearly all evening now for no reason what so ever.  I could hardly
talk to my daughter when she called tonight because of this and I think I
freaked her out even after I explained to her it was just the drugs.  I got
this weird freakin desire to get in my car and drive or take a long walk
also.  I guess that's just part of the flight or fight reaction to how I'm
feeling.
Screw this virus, I will overcome,
Julie
Rusty - 27 Apr 2004 04:40 GMT
Hang in there Julie,

I know what you mean about the emotional part. I'm a big hockey fan and I
can't hold back the tears during the National anthems, American or Canadian.
Had tears during an "extreme makeover" show. It's the drugs killing the
viruses.
Have you talked to your doc about giving you any anti-depressants? I am
emotional but not quite depressed but I will definitly keep that option
open.

You're doing it Julie. Your killing the beast.

rusty

> Hey everyone,
> Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
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> Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> Julie
Samoyed - 27 Apr 2004 05:09 GMT
Hi Julie,

I can sure relate to what you are going through. Yesterday I went over
to help my Mom with her computer. (She's 75 and mainly uses it for
solitaire. Can any one relate?). Anyhow, it has a problem that I
couldn't fix (damn MSN upgrade that I can't finish downloading). So
I'm driving home thinking about not being able to fix a relatively
minor computer problem and also thinking about my redone root canal
that does not seem to be getting better ...... next thing I know I
have tears (major) running down my face. Wow - the sadness just rolled
in. Big time. I actually drove around rather aimlessly for quite a
while. Can't say that it helped .......but it seemed like a good thing
to do at the time.

Today I feel fine, but what a strange experience. My doctor told me
that this could happen. Sure came up out of the blue though.

Hang in there Julie. It won't be the last time but you WILL overcome!

David (who is celebrating completing his 4th full week of tx!)

samoyed@aracnet.com

>Hey everyone,
>Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
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>Screw this virus, I will overcome,
>Julie
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Apr 2004 13:23 GMT
Whatever you do, if you're a George Harrison fan, don't watch the part
of 'Concert for George' where Ringo sings the song 'Photograph' unless
you're ready to shed a few tears.  :-)
Elmo

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Dwight - 27 Apr 2004 05:35 GMT
Julie, nothing to excuse, I think we have all gone through it and that's
what a support group is for.  Don't try driving, the tears will affect
your vision and you may see a billboard that may be the saddest thing
you've ever seen. :)  If I tried walking, I might go too far and have a
hard time making it back, my energy level is gone.  You might try just
going outside for a while and enjoying the night air, if you're
somewhere you can.  If all else fails, remember tomorrow it'll be
something else, and you will overcome it as well.  Just relax and this
too shall pass.

> Hey everyone,
> Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
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> Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> Julie

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Paul - 27 Apr 2004 06:39 GMT
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:58:43 GMT, "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net>, in
message ID <n7jjc.12365$gH6.88@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, in
the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I feel like one big emotional chunk of sadness tonight and I'm falling apart
>in slow motion, piece by piece.  I know it's just the side effects so I'm
>trying to just let this happen knowing that this will pass, but I have been
>in tears nearly all evening now for no reason what so ever.  I could hardly
>talk to my daughter when she called tonight because of this and I think I
>freaked her out even after I explained to her it was just the drugs.

Yeah, I get a weird few hours here and there too.  I get them even
when off tx but it's more intense on tx.  My imagination has taken me
to some weird places on this stuff - and it's not all been bad by any
stretch :-)
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Russ - 27 Apr 2004 08:09 GMT
If your not on anti-depressants, you should be. If you are, you may need
more or a different kind.

Call your doc ASAP.. this sh.t can seriously screw with your head.

You have a long ways to go, treat the sides......

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> Hey everyone,
> Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
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> Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> Julie
Susie Quill - 27 Apr 2004 11:31 GMT
> If your not on anti-depressants, you should be. If you are, you may need
> more or a different kind.
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> > Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> > Julie

Julie,
I think Russ has some good advice here.  Treat the sides.
This is early in to treatment.  You don't want it to hit you so hard.  I
just took my last prozac tonight.  Will re-new tomorrow.  I can't imagine
how I would be getting along without it.    Am angry about lots of stuff,
some sadness,
but basically just pissed off all the time.  Can't imagine how I would be
treating co-workers if it wasn't for the prozac.
Thought about you a lot over the past few weeks Julie.  Sorry I've been
gone.

Hugs,

Susie
Julie - 27 Apr 2004 15:34 GMT
> > If your not on anti-depressants, you should be. If you are, you may need
> > more or a different kind.
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> Susie

Hey Susie, I'm so glad your back and doing so well.  We started treatment
about the same time and I always look for posts from you.  I took the
"Ambien" the doctor gave me after posting last night and it hit me like a
ton of bricks.  I actually slept 6 straight hours and I sure needed it.
Everything is sunny, happy, and joyful today.  What a freak show these meds
are.
I had been taking Zoloft for the last two years after my thyroid kicked the
bucket.  The depression was horrible at the time, but since my meds for the
thyroid straightened that out over a year ago I just kept taking it out of
fear of what might happen if I didn't.
Anyway, I had gotten weaned off it nearly a month prior to starting
treatment and it looks like I may need to start taking it again.
I'm so glad that you are here again,
Kick the dragons butt,
Julie

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Russ - 27 Apr 2004 18:34 GMT
They insisted I take Zoloft when I started treatment last summer. Probably a
good thing, I was a screaming yelling maniac at work. I had to get the crew
together and fess up to what I was doing and to not take my riba rage
rantings personal. It was a good move. After a couple of months of treatment
the doc raised my Zoloft to 100 mg a day. I finally bagged work after 3
months on Tx.

I still have my moments, but I don't have those crying fits on the side of
the road anymore!!!!

Ambiens work pretty good for me too, but their so damn short acting.
Sometimes I'm back awake after 3-4 hours.

My thyroid dried up at around 4 months Tx. It was a pretty shitty time. It
took about 3 months taking synthroid before things SLOWLY started to get
better. But I'll go through bouts where my thyroid (my unprofessional
opinion) will go HYPER for a month period. This happened last month. I had
the worst f.cking headache, it lasted 2 weeks, constant. I almost went to
the hospital, but I was by myself and didn't want to drive. I misplaced my
pain meds to boot and didn't find them for a week. The bright sunlight felt
like ice picks in my eyeballs. I stayed indoors, curtains drawn, washcloth
over my eyes to block out the light. I sure was in a pissy mood I'll tell
ya!!!! I was all jittery too.

And then in about 3-4 days it all clears up, light doesn't hurt my eyes. I
still have minor headaches, but I can deal with that. I can sleep with out
ambien too. I needed it, I was way behind on my sleep.

What I want to stress here is don't let those headaches get away from you.
It's the same thing every time. I have a headache, then I can't sleep, then
I start getting stressed out and tension builds, making my headache worse,
making more tension, till the whole thing snowballs into a sh.t storm. Then
I really got to pound down the pills to get that under control.

Same for the depression. Treat it and kill the dragon.

The clinic where I go to has a 35% dropout rate for the peg/riba treatment.
I wonder how that number could be lowered if f.cking doctors could be a
little more passionate about these side affects and TREAT THEM.

I think they all should get to do a couple of shots!!!!

Well off to Anchorage to see the BCLD for my monthly blood donation!!

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Susie Quill - 28 Apr 2004 08:59 GMT
Sunny, happy, joyful.  Sounds lovely.  I'm at the point where I just hope
not to kill anyone on a daily basis.
That is verbally, mentally, spiritually.  Not physically dangerous to
anyone.  Just pissed off.

My frigging boss has yet to ask me what is going on with me.  My feelings
were hurt.  If he finally gets around to asking me now, I'll want to tell
him I don't want to discuss it now, but that I would have discussed it five
weeks ago when I first offered to talk to him.

Darn, I didn't get my prozac renewed today.  Well, tomorrow is another day.
Thursday.  Thursday is a pretty good day for me, as days go,  except that it
is too close to Friday as I take my shot on Fridays..

Amazing what a good night sleep can do for a person.  I ahven't had a good
night sleep in about 7 years now.  This is my major goal.  To get thru
treatment, get rid of the HCV and fibromyalgia and actually get a good
nights sleep again.

I started treatment just a few days ahead of you.  It was neck and neck as
to who would start first.

Susie

> Hey Susie, I'm so glad your back and doing so well.  We started treatment
> about the same time and I always look for posts from you.  I took the
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Paul - 28 Apr 2004 09:13 GMT
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:59:14 +1000, "Susie Quill"
<susieq@vzpacifica.net>, in message ID
<408f647f_1@corp.newsgroups.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>Sunny, happy, joyful.  Sounds lovely.  I'm at the point where I just hope
>not to kill anyone on a daily basis.
>That is verbally, mentally, spiritually.  Not physically dangerous to
>anyone.  Just pissed off.

Yeah, I know.  Ouch.

>My frigging boss has yet to ask me what is going on with me.  My feelings
>were hurt.  If he finally gets around to asking me now, I'll want to tell
>him I don't want to discuss it now, but that I would have discussed it five
>weeks ago when I first offered to talk to him.

Aah.  You've got one of those too.  I asked for some private time with
my now ex-boss weeks before I started tx.  He never came back to me.
I ended up last Friday by yelling at HIS boss to stick his job up his
arse LOL.  I'm better off outta there.  That was 16 months of getting
up at 3 AM for a company that treated me like sh.t (and everyone
else).  I can concentrate my depleted resources now on getting myself
well.  Also, now that I'm working more normal hours (I have a main job
too), my sleep pattern is better which has to be good for my immune
system and stress levels.

>Darn, I didn't get my prozac renewed today.  Well, tomorrow is another day.
>Thursday.  Thursday is a pretty good day for me, as days go,  except that it
>is too close to Friday as I take my shot on Fridays..

That recognisable pattern may start disappearing over the next few
weeks and mutating into something more random.  I have found it so
anyway and I think I've only been on this tx maybe 2 or 3 weeks
longer.

>Amazing what a good night sleep can do for a person.  I ahven't had a good
>night sleep in about 7 years now.  This is my major goal.  To get thru
>treatment, get rid of the HCV and fibromyalgia and actually get a good
>nights sleep again.

You will feel a new woman Susie.
Talking of feeling a new woman ....................  No, I better not
go there LOL.

I'm glad you could make it back Susie.
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Russ - 28 Apr 2004 16:36 GMT
Paul, that is a good call quitting a job that is stressful and non
supportive. f.ck em,

Like we say around here when leaving a shitty job, "I was looking for a job
when I found this one." There are always other jobs to be had...

But for now you guys point your energies to killing the beast.

Susie, I'm glad to hear your sleeping better.
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> I'm glad you could make it back Susie.
Paul - 28 Apr 2004 19:01 GMT
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>Paul, that is a good call quitting a job that is stressful and non
>supportive. f.ck em,
>
>Like we say around here when leaving a shitty job, "I was looking for a job
>when I found this one." There are always other jobs to be had...

I could have done with you beside me at the time Russ :-) .  Me on tx
and Russ with a zapped out thyroid telling 'em what we think.  Ha ha.
That's a great image that I'll cherish.
Seriously, I am losing some work from my business as well and I am
happy to do so.  I know I can build it up again when I'm better.
Needing to fork out for that new van has thrown me a bit though.  I
could have done with another year out of the old one.
Russ.  You're a gem.  Thanks for your support.
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Julie - 28 Apr 2004 20:27 GMT
> Sunny, happy, joyful.  Sounds lovely.  I'm at the point where I just hope
> not to kill anyone on a daily basis.

Well nothing stays the same in this game of deadly drugs.  lol
Last night I coughed for nearly 7 hours non stop and wanted to ripout my own
lungs to get some releif.  I guess that says a lot about my ability to deal
with anyone else also.
I remembered that I had a bottle of perscription cough syrup (Tussionex
#120) which has always stopped even my worst cough, put me in a zombie like
state, and then to sleep for 9 or 10 hours and this stuff didnt touch the
cough I had and even failed to make me feel sleepy. I ended up taking the
Ambien again to finally get to sleep at 2:30 AM this morning.
Its all about me NOT having any expectations about what life will be like
today.
Big Hugs,
Julie

> That is verbally, mentally, spiritually.  Not physically dangerous to
> anyone.  Just pissed off.
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Susie Quill - 29 Apr 2004 10:41 GMT
Julie,
Under side effects of treatment, I read somewhere that coughing is a side.
I don't remember from which med though.  Be sure and tell your doc. about
it.  I've had a little cough, but nothing like you are talking about.

If it is from the med., that is probably why your cough medicine didn't
touch it.

Hope you are sleeping better tonight.
Susie

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> Julie,
> Under side effects of treatment, I read somewhere that coughing is a side.
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>Hey Susie,
Your right about the coughing beig a side effect.  It the result of the
combination therpy and other than drinks lots of water to help minimize the
cough the only other thing thta seems to help is heavy narcotics ((yuck!).
I'm still coughing off and on, but it nothing compared to the other night.
Push the sword into the dragons side and then kick it into the hilt.
Julie

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Russ - 30 Apr 2004 17:08 GMT
I've had a mild cough most of the time on this. Some flem, though clear. As
I take narcotics PCR (when needed) for headaches, I have to be carefull to
remember to cough. Those drugs slow your breathing down and the ability to
cough up flem, your lungs can fill up.

I've been making it a practice to cough up what i can in the morning. They
told me as long as I'm not hauking up green chunks it's ok.

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elmoemerson@webtv.net - 27 Apr 2004 13:17 GMT

Falling a part tonight  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 1:58am (EDT+4)
From: Julie919@earthlink.net (Julie)
Hey everyone,
Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who
understands this.
I feel like one big emotional chunk of sadness tonight and I'm falling
apart in slow motion, piece by piece. I know it's just the side effects
so I'm trying to just let this happen knowing that this will pass, but I
have been in tears nearly all evening now for no reason what so ever. I
could hardly talk to my daughter when she called tonight because of this
and I think I freaked her out even after I explained to her it was just
the drugs. I got this weird freakin desire to get in my car and drive or
take a long walk also. I guess that's just part of the flight or fight
reaction to how I'm feeling.
Screw this virus, I will overcome,
Julie
///////////////
Julie, I understand exactly where you're coming from and how you feel.
Please call your doctor and tell him not only about your deep sadness,
but also your desire to get away from it all.  You are either not taking
anti-d's, not taking enough of them, or you're taking the wrong one.
You don't have to experience that deep sadness if you get the right
amount of the correct anti-d.  DON"T WAIT to call your doc.  Do it NOW!!
Elmo

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heppiechik - 27 Apr 2004 14:59 GMT
Hey Julie,
It is the meds, just keep remembering that. Call your doc and tell him what
is going on. I did the same thing when I first started tx. I got my doctors
appointments confused. I went to his office and set there for one hour
before I asked what was taking so long. They told me I didn't have an
appointment that day. Well that was the final straw, I left out of the
office trying not to let them see me crying. The nurse told me they could
squeeze me in but I just wanted to get out of there, so I left. Well then I
had the office and my family looking for me. They thought I had gone
somewhere and killed my self. After that little escapade, he upped my Zoloft
and it's a lot better.
Feel better soon Julie!
hc
> Hey everyone,
> Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
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> Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> Julie
Shawn - 27 Apr 2004 19:35 GMT
Hey Julie, I've been on zoloft for some time. My doc finally
took me off it and put me clonazapan and metaprolol. I
noticed immediate relief. I still have those crying jags but
they are much reduced and only happen when very tired. Talk
to you docs and see what they think. Good luck, you'll make
it through!!!

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> Hey everyone,
> Please excuse this post I just got to say this to someone who understands
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> Julie
Jim - 28 Apr 2004 03:17 GMT
Julie,

I sure hope you are taking the messages to heart from these wise folks and call
your doc.  There is no way I could have made it through tx without anti d's (I
took celexa).  I also took medicine for my nausea, headaches, joint pain,
insomnia and anxiety.  Was I walking drugstore?  You bet. I finally gave in to
treating my symptoms when I showed up at my doctors office TWICE with two very
different shoes on....  My doctor (GP), who is probably one of the most
compassionate people I know, convinced me that in order to make it through tx I
needed temporary assistance.  I've read a couple of posts from folks that don't
need medical assistance with their symptoms.  I say "good for them" but I am
convinced that they are the lucky few.  CALL YOUR DOC, OK???   Don't allow
yourself to be any more miserable than you have to be.  Your pounding the
dragon with heavy artillery.  You need to keep a strong defense because you
need to win each battle to win the war.

jim  
Julie - 28 Apr 2004 04:28 GMT
> Julie,
>
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>
> jim

Your right Jim and I appreciate your concern and the experience you have
shared.  Keeping that strong defense and not having to build one during a
disaster is the only way to get through this.  I see my doctor on Thursday
and I will be sure to tell him what's going on.
God bless you and all the others who have responded,
Julie
Julie - 28 Apr 2004 03:35 GMT
> Hey Julie, I've been on zoloft for some time. My doc finally
> took me off it and put me clonazapan and metaprolol. I
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> Regards,
>        Shawn

Thanks Shawn, I guess I was just liking the idea of NOT having to take
another pill that's all.  I see my doctor Thursday and I will tell him how
things are going.
thanks again,
Julie
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> > Hey everyone,
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> > Screw this virus, I will overcome,
> > Julie
 
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