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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / March 2004"Victims" of Second Hand Smoke
THOSE 400,000 SMOKING "VICTIMS" LIVE LONGER THAN THE REST OF US! Preliminary report By Rosalind B. Marimont For years the anti-tobacco crusaders, from Drs. Koop and Kessler to President Clinton, have claimed that "cigarette smoking is the greatest cause of preventable or premature deaths, causing 400,000 deaths a year, a number greater than auto accidents, homicide, suicide, and various other causes of death combined." They have used this statement to brand tobacco public health enemy number 1, and to justify huge amounts of money, time, and attention to the war on smoking, while all but ignoring alcohol and drug abuse. Incredibly, analysis of the ages of the 400K supposed deaths computed by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) SAMMEC (Smoking Attributable Mortality, Morbidity and Economic Costs) program shows that tobacco is not a major health threat at all - the supposed victims did not die early! * THE SMOKING "VICTIMS" LIVED LONGER THAN THE REST OF US, BY ABOUT 2 YEARS - 71.9 vs. 70. * OVER 70,000, or about 17%, DIED "PREMATURELY" AT AGES GREATER THAN 85. * ONLY 1900, OR FEWER THAN O.5 % OF THE SMOKING "VICTIMS" DIED AT AGES LESS THAN 35, WHILE 143.000, OR 8% OF THE REST OF US DIED AT AGES LESS THAN 35. If so many of the smoking victims are old, and so few young, and if, on the average, they live longer than the rest of us, how are their deaths "premature"? According to the technical definition used by SAMMEC, any "smoking related" death is considered premature. There is no upper age limit to the computation. These astonishing numbers, which totally demolish the main argument of the anti-smoking movement, are the result of my analysis of the SAMMEC age distribution computations for the years 1990-1994, provided, at my request, by the Office of Smoking and Health (OSH) of the CDC. For comparison with other deaths, I used 1992 mortality statistics of the National Center for Health Statistics. On the other hand, the deaths slighted in the 400K statements are premature. For example, the average ages at death of motor accident victims was 39, of suicides 45, and of homicide victims 32, compared to 70 for the general population. These non-smoking deaths total about 98000, of which about 50% are under 35, and are largely alcohol and drug related. The SAMMEC methodology has been criticized by many epidemiologists, statisticians, and all purpose general applied mathematicians like me on technical grounds, which are usually not comprehensible to non-specialists. But these age numbers are easy to understand - How is tobacco the number one killer, when its "victims" live longer than the rest of us? Rosalind B. Marimont I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand smoke. We should ban cars. At least in restraints. > THOSE 400,000 SMOKING "VICTIMS" LIVE LONGER THAN THE REST OF US! > Preliminary report [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Rosalind B. Marimont > I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand smoke. > We should ban cars. At least in restraints. I don't own one. Alias > > THOSE 400,000 SMOKING "VICTIMS" LIVE LONGER THAN THE REST OF US! > > Preliminary report [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > > > Rosalind B. Marimont > > I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand smoke. > > We should ban cars. At least in restraints. > > I don't own one. > > Alias Are you are now going to tell us that travelling by train is a good option? > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Are you are now going to tell us that travelling by train is a good option? Of course, your sick implications notwithstanding, trains are by far safer than cars. Just think, *you* might be the driver. Alias > > > > I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand smoke. > > > > We should ban cars. At least in restraints. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Of course, your sick implications notwithstanding, trains are by far safer > than cars. Just think, *you* might be the driver. What sick implications are you implying I am making? Statistically, aircraft are the safest form of transport, but I do hear some people are scared of flying anywhere. I was asking what you suggest we all do? Ride a bicycle for example? But you then exhale enormous amounts of CO2, which is a "greenhouse gas", remember? Then of course the feral cave dwellers fart continually. That's methane, another greenhouse gas. > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What sick implications are you implying I am making? If you have to ask, you'll never know. > Statistically, aircraft are the safest form of transport, but I do hear some > people are scared of flying anywhere. Depends what you mean by "safe". Waiting for hours for a security check isn't good for your mind and if you happen to have a name similar to some suspected terrorist, plan on a even more unsafe experience in a USA jail. > I was asking what you suggest we all do? Ride a bicycle for example? But you > then exhale enormous amounts of CO2, which is a "greenhouse gas", remember? And the plants love it. Save your junk science for someone naive enough to fall for it. > Then of course the feral cave dwellers fart continually. That's methane, > another greenhouse gas. Does anyone take you seriously? Alias > > > > > > I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand > smoke. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > isn't good for your mind and if you happen to have a name similar to some > suspected terrorist, plan on a even more unsafe experience in a USA jail. Oh poor Cody, his mind is so weak that he gets upset at airports and even gets paranoid thinking about them. > > I was asking what you suggest we all do? Ride a bicycle for example? But > you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And the plants love it. Save your junk science for someone naive enough to > fall for it. Well here's some more "junk science" for you Monkey Boy. Plants, and that is only green plants (its the chlorophyl you know?), take in CO2 during daylight hours but during the hours of darkness they respire like you or I and breathe it out. The only net producers of oxygen are *deciduous* trees in *temperate zones*. Most of our oxygen is produced in the sea, and every last atom of it originated deep inside the earth. The problem with stoopids like you is that they pay too much mind to dancers and cannucks with exaggerated opinions of their own importance. > > Then of course the feral cave dwellers fart continually. That's methane, > > another greenhouse gas. > > Does anyone take you seriously? HoHoHo Monkey Boy. *You* whined and whined about the fart humour. All you ever do is *whine*. Fact. You and the dancer both proved by your own actions that you *hate* America and sympathise with her enemies. WTF Elmo refuses to see that is beyond comprehension. And Stoopid, donchaknow that one of the biggest producers of methane is cattle farting? That's why I regard it as my duty to reduce global warming by eating those steaks, roast beef dinners, and prime ribs whenever I can. Hey imagine how many reincarnated boodists I've eaten in my lifetime? And as long as Lu takes me seriously wtf does it matter what *you* think or do? Crawl back into the feral cave where you belong Monkee Boy. From : Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to> Message-ID : <24f8035391e8a753cd67402929059096@cypherpunks.to> >Crawl back into the feral cave where you belong Monkee Boy. Noway Pom, even the *Feral Cave Dwellers* don't want that stoopid chapero transplant. His red-nightgown and shaved head can dance and jingle-jangle his tambourine around the cave entrance, but alas the cave-gate is shut on him The only door open to his unparalleled kind of *stoopid* would be the Royal Albert Taxidermist Society that stuff and display Buddhists as public curios oooO0 ( ) \ ( \_) 0Oooo ( ) \ ( (_/ "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> His red-nightgown and shaved head can dance and jingle-jangle his tambourine << Um, that would be Hare Krishna, not Buddhism, speaking of "stoopid". Alias > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Alias so you do wear a white sheet, bald head with a braided pig tail hanging down your back? Hoof My lab results are back, My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. My bone density test was normal. > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > down your back? > Hoof And you hand out flowers to all the ladies!! HUH?? > My lab results are back, > My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. > My bone density test was normal. > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And you hand out flowers to all the ladies!! HUH?? Nope, again, that's Hare Krishna, not Buddhism. Alias > > My lab results are back, > > My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. > > My bone density test was normal. > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > down your back? > Hoof No. I dress normally. Alias > My lab results are back, > My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. > My bone density test was normal. From : "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com> Message-ID : <c3p3vq$2artsf$1@ID-137389.news.uni-berlin.de> >No. I dress normally > >Alias If your *normal* means traditional *civilized* western typa clothes that's "caus you are a bullshit Buddhists and publicly ashamed of your wacko heathen beliefs.. and rightfully so you stoopid arschloch.. BTW *chapero* a *true* Buddhist wears red dressing gowns, shave their stoopid heads, and mostly sit on their stoopid lazy arses w.nking-off on brass gongs and bombilating out of their ears oooO0 ( ) \ ( \_) 0Oooo ( ) \ ( (_/ "Carl Friedrich Gauss" <.@.> reveals his total ignorance of Buddhism and posts more ad hominems: > From : "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com> > Message-ID : <c3p3vq$2artsf$1@ID-137389.news.uni-berlin.de> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that's "caus you are a bullshit Buddhists and publicly ashamed of your > wacko heathen beliefs.. and rightfully so you stoopid arschloch.. Um, dress is not a part of True Buddhism, except for priests when they are acting as priests. > BTW *chapero* a *true* Buddhist wears red dressing gowns, shave their > stoopid heads, and mostly sit on their stoopid lazy arses w.nking-off > on brass gongs and bombilating out of their ears Again, you are confusing Buddhism with Hare Krishna, speaking of "stoopid". Our priests' robes are grey, not saffron or red. Alias > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Alias What is 'norm'? Hoof > > My lab results are back, > > My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. > > My bone density test was normal. > > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Hoof Well, I have on a pair of Levis, penny loafer shoes, and -- you'll love this -- a pretty red shirt just like Thomas'. Heh. Alias > > > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Alias I haven't worn penny loafers since high school. Very comfy. We all have at least one red shirt/bliouse/dress unless you are one of those religions that I can't think of the name of at the moment. I think there are at least three religions that wear only black or white. Hoof > > > > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > think there are at least three religions that wear only black or white. > Hoof I guess I am thinking of the Amish, and the door to door bible thumpers who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in over 100 degree hot summer weather, cuz that is all I ever see them wearing. even my old neighbor who was Seventh Day Adventist went to work as head of the respiratory therapy dept. at the local hospital only wore black or white. the door to door bible thumpers > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in > over 100 degree hot summer weather, cuz that is all I ever see them > wearing. Those are Mormons who think that Jesus Christ was reincarnated in Mexico. They also forbid cigarettes, booze and caffeine. Alias > the door to door bible thumpers > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alias No those are the Watchtower and the Lighthouse people. The mormons don't believe in Jesus Christ. And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. Hoof > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. > Hoof They also don't eat pork like the Jewish religion. > > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > They also don't eat pork like the Jewish religion. They also don't have a system of be good go to heaven be bad and go to hell. They go to different planets. The thieves all go to one planet, the murderers to another and so on and so forth. Or so I was told. They also have different 'sects, like the death angels or some name close to that. I view them as the true wolf that dons the cloak of deception based on what they want or who they want to deceive. Hoof Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 7:54am (EST-3) From: equsphotogphr@hotmail.com (HoofPrints) HoofPrints wrote: HoofPrints wrote: Alias wrote: "HoofPrints" wrote: the door to door bible thumpers who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in over 100 degree hot summer weather, cuz that is all I ever see them wearing. Those are Mormons who think that Jesus Christ was reincarnated in Mexico. They also forbid cigarettes, booze and caffeine. Alias No those are the Watchtower and the Lighthouse people. The mormons don't believe in Jesus Christ. And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. Hoof They also don't eat pork like the Jewish religion. They also don't have a system of be good go to heaven be bad and go to hell. They go to different planets. The thieves all go to one planet, the murderers to another and so on and so forth. Or so I was told. They also have different 'sects, like the death angels or some name close to that. I view them as the true wolf that dons the cloak of deception based on what they want or who they want to deceive. Hoof ////////////// Do they believe in oral sex? Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No those are the Watchtower and the Lighthouse people. > The mormons don't believe in Jesus Christ. Really? Are you sure? Try Googling it before you put your *hoof* in your mouth. > And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. > Hoof Not the ones I've met. Alias > > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Really? Are you sure? Try Googling it before you put your *hoof* in your > mouth. I know what I have been told my Sister Ann who was married in eh Temple of Mormon and therefore can not be turned away from her religion no matter what she does. > > And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, > > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Alias YOu don't' know Sister Ann. She began drinking and smoking and used her religion to deceive someone into getting involved with her. I am not joking. The picture they present to the world is quite different than the one the inner circle knows about. THey present themselves as perfect human beings, but if you dig deeper a different picture emerges. > > > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of Mormon and therefore can not be turned away from her religion no > matter what she does. In fact if you are googling that they are preaching to the Mexicans that they believe in Jesus Christ, I would say they are deceiving the Mexican people into thinking that based on the fact that mexico is X % Catholic. What do you think of men who have children and then allow the State of Utah to support those Children? I guess you haven't watched any of the reports from Utah about these people and what they are really like. THey want to increase their fold and claim that they are the strongest Church, with more followers than any other religion. They use the fact that Catholic priests have sinned against god to increase their masses. If you are dissatisfied with your religion they don the cloak and convert you into their stronghold. They don't tell you that you will only be a Jack Mormon and never a true Mormon. For more information read the August 2, 1997 publication of Time or News Week Magazine. Also there was a man who was reported to have information regarding some papers written by John Smith that proved that they were a bogus relgion,the man was found murdered or something. That report was a few years ago. > > > And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, > > > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > themselves as perfect human beings, but if you dig deeper a different > picture emerges. > > > > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > relgion,the man was found murdered or something. > That report was a few years ago. Just to back myself up a bit because I am not officially writing down reports made on the Mormons by date and author, here is one link. http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/notjesus.htm From the main page of this link. http://www.mazeministry.com/ You have no clue what they do, really, really you don't. And you can use Ask Jeeves, I don't know if Alta Vista search engines are still online or if anyone uses them except maybe myself. They have not combined the knowledge in quite the same extent that google has, but you have to dig to find the truth. http://web.ask.com/web?q=mormon+church+founder&o=0&qsrc=0 > > > > And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, > > > > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > themselves as perfect human beings, but if you dig deeper a different > > picture emerges. > > > > > > the door to door bible thumpers > > > > > > > who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > http://web.ask.com/web?q=mormon+church+founder&o=0&qsrc=0 And because this is a major button in my life and because i have brushed elbows with the Mormons since the 1970's and really brushed up against them in the 1980's here is some more on how they perceive Jesus Christ. http://www.irr.org/mit/Is-Mormonism-Christian.html 3. ARE JESUS AND SATAN SPIRIT BROTHERS? The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Jesus is the unique Son of God; he has always existed as God, and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father (John 1:1, 14; 10:30; 14:9; Colossians 2:9). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father (John 17:4, 5; Philippians 2:6-11) and was made flesh for our salvation; His incarnation was accomplished through being conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34-35). By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother; He was later conceived physically through intercourse between Heavenly Father and the virgin Mary (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 129; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547; 742). Mormon doctrine affirms that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p. 192). And on the main page of their link the article which I was refering to was in Time on August 4th. I don't know why I keep saying August 2nd unless News Week also had an article out on Aug 2, 1997. http://www.irr.org/mit/ See the link into Hinckley. I also have found the Blood Atonement interesting for my own personal reasons of course and from words that have been said to me by someones hubby in several places including the US Post Office where he worked. Hoof > > > > > And they may forbid drinking booze and caffeine and smoking cigarettes, > > > > > but they have been known to bend the rules of their religion. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > themselves as perfect human beings, but if you dig deeper a different > > > picture emerges. Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 4:21pm (EST+6) From: maskedandanonymous@aka.com (Alias) "HoofPrints" wrote: the door to door bible thumpers who must only wear black suits and white shirts with jackets even in over 100 degree hot summer weather, cuz that is all I ever see them wearing. Those are Mormons who think that Jesus Christ was reincarnated in Mexico. They also forbid cigarettes, booze and caffeine. Alias //////////////// Didn't you hear? Jesus is alive and well, living in Tiajuana. He's in the auto upholstery business. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > > > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Alias A *pretty red shirt*? Is this some sort of feral cave dwellers' uniform? > > > > "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What is 'norm'? And that is a rhetorical question Cody. Sez more than the average cave dweller can mentally digest in a lifetime. I used to say at one meal but judging by the judging it is a lifetime effort for some to realize that what is norm to some may or may not be norm to you or me or anyone else. > Hoof > > > > > > My lab results are back, > > > My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. > > > My bone density test was normal. Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 6:07pm (EST-3) From: equsphotogphr@hotmail.com (HoofPrints) Alias wrote: "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> His red-nightgown and shaved head can dance and jingle-jangle his tambourine << Um, that would be Hare Krishna, not Buddhism, speaking of "stoopid". Alias so you do wear a white sheet, bald head with a braided pig tail hanging down your back? Hoof My lab results are back, My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. My bone density test was normal. //////////////////////// ahahahahahahaha First you attack Cody, then you post your lab results. In case you didn't know, the religious wars are over. It's Cody's right to believe in whatever he wants without you criticizing or making fun. Looks to me like you might be licking someone's arse by jumping on the 'let's pick on Cody' bandwagon. By the way, I could care less what your bone density test results were. Did they do a brain density scan? Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Did they do a brain density scan? > Elmo That was not an attack FYI Elmer. And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. Tell me does it make you very angry to know that My AST/ALT are normal, and I drink 12 cups of coffee a day, eat meat, and imbibe in an occasional margarita? IN fact I was wondering if the margarita I had a day and a half before the blood draw had anything to do with my AST being out of range 5 points. Hoof > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 6:12am (EST-3) From: equsphotogphr@hotmail.com (HoofPrints) elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 6:07pm (EST-3) From: equsphotogphr@hotmail.com (HoofPrints) Alias wrote: "Ferdinand de Saussure" <.@.> His red-nightgown and shaved head can dance and jingle-jangle his tambourine << Um, that would be Hare Krishna, not Buddhism, speaking of "stoopid". Alias so you do wear a white sheet, bald head with a braided pig tail hanging down your back? Hoof My lab results are back, My ALT is within range and my AST was out of range by 5. My bone density test was normal. //////////////////////// ahahahahahahaha First you attack Cody, then you post your lab results. In case you didn't know, the religious wars are over. It's Cody's right to believe in whatever he wants without you criticizing or making fun. Looks to me like you might be licking someone's arse by jumping on the 'let's pick on Cody' bandwagon. By the way, I could care less what your bone density test results were. Did they do a brain density scan? Elmo That was not an attack FYI Elmer. And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. Tell me does it make you very angry to know that My AST/ALT are normal, and I drink 12 cups of coffee a day, eat meat, and imbibe in an occasional margarita? IN fact I was wondering if the margarita I had a day and a half before the blood draw had anything to do with my AST being out of range 5 points. Hoof http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile ////////////////////// Excuse me, Hoof. I could have sworn it was a dig on Cody. Yes, it angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over it. I think I may smash my computer too. A margarita? (sniff, sniff) Ohhh, the horror!!! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > Re: Crawl Back into the Cave Cody > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > (sniff, sniff) Ohhh, the horror!!! > Elmo From what you have already said in this NG, you smashed your computer the first day you set it up. Now if you were to promise to smash your webtv,....... So now that your out of treatment and your results are negative, your true self is shining through. Is it not you, who is in full support of no alcohol?? Or were you only going along with the program because you feared being turned loose from your support system when you so desperately needed one to keep you on track? Cody and I have spoken about Buddhism before this, and I am not kissing anyone's arse, of course if you want to see it that why that is your choice. Hoof > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > Excuse me, Hoof. I could have sworn it was a dig on Cody. How very *sincere* of you to be so concerned for Cody's welfare. > Yes, it > angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog > over it. I think I may smash my computer too. A margarita? > (sniff, sniff) Ohhh, the horror!!! > Elmo Would that be the same computer that you messed up on your first day of getting it? What was the problem - an overload of *sincerity* or the graphics card burnt out from displaying too many *pretty red shirts*? How often do you kick your dog Elmo? Does it get a good beating every time somebody calls you a *feral cave dweller*? If you have any sheep, keep em in the barn today. Melon Head is back in town. ps. I never kick my dog. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > ps. I never kick my dog. > > Elmo But Elmo, just yesterday you said: > angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog > over it. Are you brainfogged or just being a little light with the truth? ps. I never kick my dog. Elmo But Elmo, just yesterday you said: angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over it. Are you brainfogged or just being a little light with the truth? /////////////// Did you say that I said what I said you said or did you say your waht you said what you said I said you said? I say you said I said you said. Say what you will, but say I said you said wasn't waht was said at all!! SAY IT!! I wouldn't have any problem with punching out a.sholes like you, but would never abuse an animal. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > ps. I never kick my dog. > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > would never abuse an animal. > Elmo ahahahahaha. So you also admit to a habit of using physical violence when you can't win an argument? You posted it Elmo. You posted in reply to Lynne: > angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over > it. You posted that because you hate Lynne so much you kicked the dog. In your own words, and you then you follow it up with threats to punch me out. IMO you need some *sincere* counselling. > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > IMO you need some *sincere* counselling. You know what is even more interesting then his hatred of me. He has no clue that I am aware that he and Chukker are friends, and so I just have to ask why the displaced loyalty to his good bud Chukker? I have no clue what he was told about that very brief relationship, but there were no promises made at all. And you sent Loretta to Washington to get info and shout it out loud in SMDH. Other than that, I have never done a damn thing to Tom to deserve this kind of constant denigrating abuse. Hoof > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > kind of constant denigrating abuse. > Hoof And to clue everyone else in that encounter was back in 99 when Missy blue was born. > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > And to clue everyone else in that encounter was back in 99 when Missy > blue was born. Well you did mention how he fainted ;-) Musta embarrassed him or something. Yaknow the big macho ego that sent certain women pictures of his yacht? > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Well you did mention how he fainted ;-) Musta embarrassed him or something. You'd have to ask his friend Ray who he never would help out when he needed an extra hand. I only heard about how he was so excited to come here, that he fainted up there. > Yaknow the big macho ego that sent certain women pictures of his yacht? What yacht?? His dads fishing boat was the bloodiest in the back bay. He was always mentioning staying in character. I took that to mean he was putting on an act. > > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > needed an extra hand. I only heard about how he was so excited to come > here, that he fainted up there. Yaknow some thought it was cos he was diabetic, and yaknow there was a certain real long distance sailor who wondered what a diabetic, prone to fainting would be doing with a yacht. Yaknow, you get in a heavy swell, the waves rocking and rolling the yacht, you faint, and three weeks later your body washes up on some beach and ruins the day for the folks on vacation. > > Yaknow the big macho ego that sent certain women pictures of his yacht? > > What yacht?? His dads fishing boat was the bloodiest in the back bay. > He was always mentioning staying in character. I took that to mean he > was putting on an act. Dunno. He certainly didn't send me any yacht pictures, but I heard about some. I just wondered, being a cynical type, why a guy with a yacht would be needing to impress women in a newsgroup? Hell, I thought a yacht was like the Professor's Porsche, a kinda babe magnet, but now a fishing boat, well that's not gonna pick up any megababes is it? Just a few old crustaceans. > > > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > rolling the yacht, you faint, and three weeks later your body washes up on some > beach and ruins the day for the folks on vacation. Don't tell me his worst fear came true and he preceded his dad in death at age 54? He was very afraid of that happening yaknow. kinda sad.. > > > Yaknow the big macho ego that sent certain women pictures of his yacht? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Professor's Porsche, a kinda babe magnet, but now a fishing boat, well that's > not gonna pick up any megababes is it? Just a few old crustaceans. He didn't send me any yacht photos either, but I think he was buying stuff from LZ back then. Something gold. He isn't a bad person just had a horrible string of bad luck and doesn't talk to his brother who followed in their fathers footsteps and became a pharmacist. > > > > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > at age 54? > He was very afraid of that happening yaknow. kinda sad.. I was just saying that diabetics should stick to big ships. I don't know anything other than that and the fact that he didn't like me much, but what the heck, I always did know how to get under people's skin. > > > > Yaknow the big macho ego that sent certain women pictures of his yacht? > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He didn't send me any yacht photos either, but I think he was buying > stuff from LZ back then. Something gold. I have a bridge I am selling. Do you think he is interested? > He isn't a bad person just had a horrible string of bad luck and doesn't > talk to his brother who followed in their fathers footsteps and became a > pharmacist. > > > > > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > I have a bridge I am selling. Do you think he is interested? That is what I told him, but yaknow!! He just had to pursue all options and added the stuff to his treatment protocol. He took the Infergen and went to Mexico for the Riba, which back then IYRC was not approved for use with each other, Of course Riba and Intron A were not approved for use with each other either. Filed my complaint today, sent the stuff certified mail. Was just reading the penalties in NV, YIkes kinda steep since the check was over $1,000.00. The kid called here a couple of times, making promises yada, yada, yada, and then blows ya off the next day. This time he is avoiding signing for the second certified mail demanding full payment within 10 days. What he doesn't understand is that I only needed the receipt from the Post Office stating that I had sent the letter and a copy of the letter I sent. In this case a contract was also involved, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. We shall see what happens. Also sent the DA their signed contract, the first certified letter and the receipt he signed from the Post Office. Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, loss of license for that person. Now if they would only round up a few more, ah well, I said that that one lady would make the headlines some day, had no clue that one was already in hot water back when the witch hunt began, and of course the lady is in denial about the entire thing, but then take a look at what they did to me. Talk about Kharma. > > He isn't a bad person just had a horrible string of bad luck and doesn't > > talk to his brother who followed in their fathers footsteps and became a > > pharmacist. > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lady is in denial about the entire thing, but then take a look at what > they did to me. Talk about Kharma. Not M.M? OMG I had been thinking you meant old BJ. What a creep doing stuff like that to a young kind. -=- This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services. > > > > > > > > > > ps. I never kick my dog. > > > > > > > > > > Elmo [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > IYRC was not approved for use with each other, Of course Riba and Intron > A were not approved for use with each other either. But Riba was the approved treatment for Lassa fever at one time. Surely he needn't have gone all the way to Mexico? > Filed my complaint today, sent the stuff certified mail. Was just > reading the penalties in NV, YIkes kinda steep since the check was over [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sent the DA their signed contract, the first certified letter and the > receipt he signed from the Post Office. I'm going to have to sue somebody. I just can't be bothered with all the paerwork but it's gonna have to be done. > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lady is in denial about the entire thing, but then take a look at what > they did to me. Talk about Kharma. I'll take a look-see. I noticed how bad things are now happening to those people who shafted both of us. I noticed that always happens when you don't react to their behaviour. > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > loss of license for that person. Lynne, are you referring to this: http://www.bangornews.com/editorialnews/article.cfm/ID/419591 Is that you know who? Mr Self-righteous himself? That's the reason why he hasn't been paying back the money he borrowed than? Well anybody who tells me there is no God is talking out of his/her a.s. Alan > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Alan that is it, a couple of months ago there was a post about the trial, this is the sentence. My first comment was whatever were you thinking to which Gene replied, and of course the rest of the SPP gang like Kali joined in and started their crap again. she doesn't believe his girlfriend and of course denies his guilt. too bad she believes others in here and began stalking me. There should be more in there if you run a search on mark morin. really a shame to throw a career down the tubes like that. really a shame!! hoof > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > a shame to throw a career down the tubes like that. really a shame!! > hoof Here is the posting id# of the first post I saw. kalis comments must be in another thread and not in this one. "Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer" <nobody@cypherpunks.to> wrote in message news:21dfa7338a6c552aa90f7f3630a574eb@cypherpunks.to.. > > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > wrote > in message news:21dfa7338a6c552aa90f7f3630a574eb@cypherpunks.to.. This is the post from Kali that really cracked me up. Not made to me at the time. but still very FUNEA! as they say over in SPP. [ i love the education and critical thinking part, as neither of those qualities were high on her own list back in 2002] :He is not innocent, he is a convicted child molestor. Convicted without the ability to present evidence in his own defense. Education and critical thinking are evidently not high on your list of priorities. At times like these I remind myself that the overwhelming majority of the population enjoy an IQ somewhere between 85 and 115 (Usenet may be a selective population with lower bounds), believe everything they read in the newspaper, don't understand complex issues or what constitutes "evidence", and don't seem to mind placing themselves in jeopardy of a law suit to express their ill-considered opinions. Kali > > > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Kali And the *best* part of all of this is that *I* had nothing to do with it, but was around to read their bad kharma slap them in their faces. Seems to always happen that way, what comes around goes around. Dr. Dan has also reappeared periodically, and I have yet to declare SPANK on him. Hoof > > > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Kali Ha-Ha-Ha. She must have took one of those "mensa" type tests. LMAO They are an aquired skill yaknow. They were an integral part of the 11-plus exam. You had to do the IQ test first, and if you were in the top 25% then you later did the maths and English tests. If you passed all three you then gained entry to a grammar school. Anyway, we had this canny Scot teaching us, Mrs Wilson was her name. She told us that she was going to teach us to pass the exam. She showed us how to do the IQ tests and gave us some past exam paper. On the first one I scored 66%. On the next one I was up to 85%. Hahaha, by the time we did the real 11-plus, and I was only 10 when we did it, I was scoring 95%. I passed the IQ test at ten years old, and they told me that put me in the top 25% of the population. Well that might have gone to my head but all I wanted to be was a sailor. Anyway, the way I see it those IQ tests are an *aquired* *skill*, otherwise how could Mrs Wilson have taught us to do them, and I assume that in every other school throughout Britain there were other Mrs Wilsons doing the same thing with all ten and eleven year olds? Nowadays I see these people who passed a "Mensa" test telling me that they are superior beings. Have you considered *why* anybody would voluntarily take an IQ test? I *had* to do them, it was part of the school system, but the *only* reasons I can see for anybody taking that Mensa test are: 1. Because they have an exagerated opinion of themselves to begin with. 2. They have some insecurity that they are trying to compensate for. They are an aquired skill. Anybody who thinks they aren't is a fool. > > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > denies his guilt. too bad she believes others in here and began > > stalking me. Kali is full of crap. Have you never observed how certain people who have problems go off to get themselves a Psychology degree? My former sister-in-law was one of such. Got herself a psychology degree, got herself a job, and six months later she had a "nervous breakdown". I know another young woman who is right now getting herself a psychology degree simply because she is obsessively neat and tidy and wants to fix herself. I guess this explains some of the *projecting* that has been done against me. > > There should be more in there if you run a search on mark morin. really > > a shame to throw a career down the tubes like that. really a shame!! > > hoof Bah. He accused me of feeling sorry for myself when my wife died. He later accused two women of the same thing, one of whom had just lost her child. I could tell you more but I have been asked not to say anything, and if certain people are afraid to defend themselves in here, or are too embarrassed by having been taken in by him for a while to do so, then that is their problem, for I have given up fighting other people's battles. I now stand vindicated in my original opinion of him. > > > > > Take a look over in SPP. Sentencing was 5 years, reduced to 3 years, > > > > > loss of license for that person. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > right now getting herself a psychology degree simply because she is obsessively > neat and tidy and wants to fix herself. Funny that you mentioned six months, i have noted the six month and going over the edge in many persons who work in psych. > I guess this explains some of the *projecting* that has been done against me. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for I have given up fighting other people's battles. I now stand vindicated in > my original opinion of him. He said that, I didn't know that. Personally he posted a lot of good information for me to read and until the stalking thing back in 2002 I had some respect for him. I lost a small amount of respect for him when he joined in the posts, and after this I am very disappointed in his behavior. considering that most of the people in that NG use the pedo flame, he really should have known better. hoof Elmo Admits To Psychopathic Violent Temper Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:38am (EST-3) From: juicy@melontraffickers.com (A.Melon) In article <24184-4062BE98-156@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: ps. I never kick my dog. Elmo But Elmo, just yesterday you said: angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over it. Are you brainfogged or just being a little light with the truth? /////////////// Did you say that I said what I said you said or did you say your waht you said what you said I said you said? I say you said I said you said. Say what you will, but say I said you said wasn't waht was said at all!! SAY IT!! I wouldn't have any problem with punching out a.sholes like you, but would never abuse an animal. Elmo ahahahahaha. So you also admit to a habit of using physical violence when you can't win an argument? You posted it Elmo. You posted in reply to Lynne: angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over it. You posted that because you hate Lynne so much you kicked the dog. In your own words, and you then you follow it up with threats to punch me out. IMO you need some *sincere* counselling. ........... ahahahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!! http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile Elmo Admits to Lying Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2004, 9:07pm (EST-3) From: juicy@melontraffickers.com (A.Melon) In article <10260-40617657-10@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> elmoemerson@webtv.net wrote: ps. I never kick my dog. Elmo But Elmo, just yesterday you said: angers me greatly that your LFT's are normal. I just kicked the dog over it. Are you brainfogged or just being a little light with the truth? //////////// I DID threaten my computer once! ahahahahahah Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile A. Melon, I'm afraid the best part of you dribbled down your mama's thighs.....  SignatureRuss Tanner Palmer, Alaska email: remove NOSPAM http://www.tannersacre.com > Elmo Admits to Lying > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > Elmo Admits to Lying > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I DID threaten my computer once! ahahahahahah > Elmo You also threatened to "punch me out" and you told us how you kicked your dog because Lynne is feeling so well. That's not very *supportive* is it? (I'm really pleased that Lynne is feeling so well and that she has such well- formed and healthy bones.) I guess it could be called *sincere* though. > > Excuse me, Hoof. I could have sworn it was a dig on Cody. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > How often do you kick your dog Elmo? Does it get a good beating every time > somebody calls you a *feral cave dweller*? LOL He is ignoring us now. Hoof > That was not an attack FYI Elmer. > And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hoof I have read your valuable dietary advice and am increasing my coffee intake to 12 cups a day accordingly. I'm danged if I'm drinking margaritas though. Is beer or wine OK as a substitute? I would like to thank you for this kind, informative and helpful information. You are obviously a very helpful and supportive member of this newsgroup. On the other hand this Elmer person is obviously a troll who engages in animal cruelty. I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter him into their killfiles. > > That was not an attack FYI Elmer. > > And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > On the other hand this Elmer person is obviously a troll who engages in animal > cruelty. I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter him into their killfiles. Always happy and glad to help out a fellow sufferer. WE suffer the Feral ones, we suffer Elmer, and we suffer as blood sisters and brothers. I don't know about the wine or beer, will schedule my next test in August, so will have a Dos Equs a day before hand and let you know. I must warn you though that my blood tests during the summer months have spiked out of range, and not because I wasn't drinking anything but Green Tea. My thyroid was ok too. Hoof > > > That was not an attack FYI Elmer. > > > And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > My thyroid was ok too. > Hoof PS: on the coffee, make sure it is Caffeinated, not decaf or half caf. Also sometimes in the winter I have been known to make another 6-8 cups a day on top of the 12 cups. Hoof > > > > That was not an attack FYI Elmer. > > > > And how dare I post my lab results in an HCV support NG. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > a day on top of the 12 cups. > Hoof I never drink decaf as I'm sure it is toxic. Instant coffee is quite ghastly too. Obviously green tea is to be avoided too. I'm glad your thyroid is OK. I just had mine checked and am awaiting the results. >A.Melon juicy@melontraffickers.com had this to blab about: >I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter him into their killfiles. Do you actually think anyone would take a recomendation from you Alan? Your the biggest joke in this newsgroup, some other groups too. >>I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter him into their killfiles. > >Do you actually think anyone would take a recomendation from you Alan? Well, he participated in the initial Rebetron trials. Where would all the people now here on the new and improved Peg version be without ones like him who were willing to be treatment guinea pigs when its effects were unkown? I've read things he's posted about insulin resistance and other info which have helped me, but OTOH a closed mind might not learn much. >Your the biggest joke in this newsgroup, some other groups too. Following him around, are you? A lot of the girls seem to do that. Sincerely, Robin Robinmst had this to say to Maryem09: >Well, he participated in the initial Rebetron trials. Where would all >the people now here on the new and improved Peg version be without >ones like him who were willing to be treatment guinea pigs when its >effects were unkown? I've read things he's posted about insulin >resistance and other info which have helped me, but OTOH a closed >mind might not learn much. I thought you'd be here to stand backup sooner or later. You always are. I was also in the intitial trials, bombed out, just like him. Never said he hasn't ever posted good info, but be honest here, Alan hasn't done much here but lash out for a good long while. >>Your the biggest joke in this newsgroup, some other groups too. >Following him around, are you? A lot of the girls seem to do that. No, I have seen his picture, I don't think that would make any girl follow him around. I guess it's all right with you that he can harass people but when someone gives him a tug, you gotta step in huh? Ain't that nice. >Sincerely, > >Robin > Robinmst had this to say to Maryem09: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I guess it's all right with you that he can harass people but when someone > gives him a tug, you gotta step in huh? Ain't that nice. Pot-Kettle-Black!!! Hoof > >Sincerely, > > > >Robin > Robinmst had this to say to Maryem09: She's a-doin that third party talking again. A sure sign of diss-association. > I thought you'd be here to stand backup sooner or later. You always are. Yes, but Robin *knows* I don't need any back-up, so she gives it freely. > I was also in the intitial trials, bombed out, just like him. What makes you think I bombed out, Sugar-lips? Ize a doin mighty fine. > Never said he > hasn't ever posted good info, but be honest here, Alan hasn't done much here > but lash out for a good long while. Lash out? Bwaaaaaaaa. Don't you get what a big joke it is seeing all you self- pitying and whining hypochondriacs wallowing in *eternal* self-pity? And headed up by that louse who accused me of feeling sorry for myself? Bwaaaa. Go pop a pill Mareyem and wallow a bit more. > >>Your the biggest joke in this newsgroup, some other groups too. > > >Following him around, are you? A lot of the girls seem to do that. > > No, I have seen his picture, I don't think that would make any girl follow him > around. *snigger* Well the last but one was 26 and scared of flying but she flew over 16000 miles last year. Now who would have been on treatment at the same time as me, bombed out and seen my picture? *snigger* Oh yes and what could Mareyem be a derivation of? > I guess it's all right with you that he can harass people but when someone > gives him a tug, you gotta step in huh? Ain't that nice. When are you going to take some *responsibility for *your* actions Whiney girl? Now get back in your corner by your bowl and chew on your bone. And stop chewing Robin's leg like that. She can out-think you anyday, and that frikking self-professed "genius" too. > >A.Melon juicy@melontraffickers.com had this to blab about: > > >I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter him into their killfiles. > > Do you actually think anyone would take a recomendation from you Alan? > Your the biggest joke in this newsgroup, some other groups too. Hey that should be "you're", which is an abbrevation of "you are" "Your" is a personal pronoun. What were you saying about jokes? Hell, only a joke like you regards newsgroups as anything but a big joke anyway. How many times do you have to be told, If you want *sincere* medical advice you go to somebody who was *sincere* enough to obtain a doctorate in medicine. I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter Maryem into their killfiles. > A.Melon juicy@melontraffickers.com had this to say: >Hey that should be "you're", which is an abbrevation of "you are" >"Your" is a personal pronoun. What were you saying about jokes? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I recommend that all *sincere* posters enter Maryem into their killfiles. I thought I was in your killfile pinky? > > A.Melon juicy@melontraffickers.com had this to say: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I thought I was in your killfile pinky? That should be Pinky. What, do you imagine that calling me a name I have had for at least 15 years is gonna upset me? Bwaaaaaa. Would you like a list of other nicknames I have had? They range from Arnold after the golfer who is my namesake, through Zeke, Blue, John, Froggy........and of course Pom. Bwaaaaaaaaa it wasn't me who went into an epie-fit because somebody shortened his name to Dave one time. You Yanks are so stoopid over names. Pinky > In case you didn't know, the religious wars are over. It's Cody's right > to believe in whatever he wants without you criticizing or making fun. ahahahahahahaha How *sincere* that is of you Elmo. What you mean is, you got friendly emails telling you "Don't argue with Cody or people will see *Them* are telling it like it is". Of course Susie-Q is hardly either a newbie or impartial is she, she's been in the sys-tek's pocket for years and sista julie's sockpuppetry is plain for all to see. > Looks to me like you might be licking someone's arse by jumping on the > 'let's pick on Cody' bandwagon. Hoof kiss a.s? Would you be *projecting* again Elmo? ahahahahahahaha By the way, I could care less what your > bone density test results were. > Did they do a brain density scan? > Elmo ahahahahahahaha How very *supportive* of you Elmo. Hoof's bones look in far better shape than the sys-tek's so I know where I would prefer to be getting my hepatitis advice. Obviously Hoof is doing something right and a *sincere* person would want to know what. -=- This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services. > Depends what you mean by "safe". Waiting for hours for a security check > isn't good for your mind and if you happen to have a name similar to some > suspected terrorist, plan on a even more unsafe experience in a USA jail. At least in the U.S. the women don't get felt up like they do in Saudi!! I was leaving the country after working their, and the lesbian female security guard had her hands all over my breast feeling me up!! I yelled and tried to push her away unsuccessfully.. The security that I complained to thought it was funny. A flat chested friend that I saw a few minutes later said that she doesn't do that to the flat chested women. I'm still irate every time I think about it. @#$@#$ Saudi's. When re-entering the U.S., a male security guard checked my purse for mace! He let all the men go by and told me that women frequently have mace in their purses, so he stoppped me and thoroughly checked me out. . We hadn't had 9/11 at that time. It happened later, and idiots like that probably checked the purses of women and let the men walk right on in. Now perspiration is considered suspicious, so they stop menopausal women having hot flashes and let the young, healthy guys with backpacks on walk right thru so they can't claim that they are being harrassed. Easier to harrass blond headed, green eyed Grandmas. Sore subject. Susie On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:34:52 +1000, "Susie Quill" <susieq@vzpacifica.net>, in message ID <40628b95_4@corp.newsgroups.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >At least in the U.S. the women don't get felt up like they do in Saudi!! I >was leaving the country after working their, and the lesbian female security [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >harrassed. Easier to harrass blond headed, green eyed Grandmas. >Sore subject. Sue. I live in the UK. I recently went to Spain for a holiday (pre-tx to blow the cobwebs away). I went through four lots of security altogether (British and Spanish twice each - and before the Madrid train bomb). I got stopped and searched at three of them. The friend who came with me didn't get stopped once. He reckoned it was because of my scruffy jumper. I took it off before the fourth security check and wasn't searched LOL. We went through the fourth one pissing ourselves laughing. Not relevant to what you were saying but I thought I'd add it anyway. :-) SignaturePaul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email > I would think car pollution is more harmful than second hand smoke. > We should ban cars. At least in restraints. My preferred means of travel is a broomstick. <g> Waterspider the Witch On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:07:44 -0800, "Waterspider" <waterspider@spamshine.net>, in message ID <105nrgbfikj463a@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >My preferred means of travel is a broomstick. <g> My ex used to have a job as a test pilot. SignaturePaul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email "Waterspider" wrote: > >My preferred means of travel is a broomstick. <g> > > My ex used to have a job as a test pilot. For broomsticks? Alias On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:10:11 +0100, "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com>, in message ID <c3h8pu$27nqrh$1@ID-137389.news.uni-berlin.de>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >> My ex used to have a job as a test pilot. > >For broomsticks? Of course :-) SignaturePaul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:10:11 +0100, "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com>, wrote: > >> My ex used to have a job as a test pilot. > > > >For broomsticks? > > Of course :-) Did she test them without her panties on so as to "get a better grip"? Alias > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:10:11 +0100, "Alias" <maskedandanonymous@aka.com>, > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Alias Now that is the funniest thing I have heard in days! Thanks! hc On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:00:28 -0600, "heppiechik" <canyougetmenow@eatspam.spam>, in message ID <105on77t83pk332@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis- |
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