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Alphagan problem

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frasercrane - 27 Jul 2005 23:13 GMT
I get my Alphagan in a small greenish opaque bottle.  I take one drop in
my left eye each night.

I usually get a 90 day supply from my mail order pharmacy.

I never had a big problem with refills as the bottle usually lasts me
until I reorder.

This time, however, I am woefully short.  Today is 7-27-05 and the
pharmacy will not take my order until 8-7-05 (about 83 days).  I can't
see what's inside the bottle, but from shaking it, I can tell I haven't
many days left, and it will not last until 8-7-05.

I've always had an extra drop or two ooze out of the bottle on occasion
when I put it in at night, but the leakage never caused such a
shortfall.  Has the bottle changed without my noticing it?  Did the
pharmacy short me--how could I ever tell that?  Does anyone else have
this problem with Alphagan?  (I take Xalatan and Cosopt, and neither
ooze extra drops--both bottles of the latter give a precise single drop.
 Only Alphagan oozes when you just tip it -- no squeezing necessary.
Juan Valdez - 28 Jul 2005 06:13 GMT
> I get my Alphagan in a small greenish opaque bottle.  I take one drop in
> my left eye each night.
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> I never had a big problem with refills as the bottle usually lasts me
> until I reorder.

I have the exact same regimen and I never get more than 50 days out of a
bottle. There was a study done recently (I don't recall the citation but it
should be searchable in Google) which showed an embarassingly large
deviation from bottle to bottle.
John - 28 Jul 2005 11:49 GMT
>> I get my Alphagan in a small greenish opaque bottle.  I take one drop in
>> my left eye each night.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>should be searchable in Google) which showed an embarassingly large
>deviation from bottle to bottle.

I use 10 ml green bottles of Alphagan P.  I have a laboratory
type (+- 0.01 g)  pan balance ($300).  New 10 ml bottles always
contain very close to 10.00 ml.  They usually last me about 50
days for 2 eyes 2x/day.  I often have erratic drop problems.
Seems to depend on temperature and fullness, or maybe it's Bush's
fault. :-)

With any critical medicine it's a good idea to keep a little
extra tn the fridge.  Manufacturing interruptions do occur.  And
if there is a flu pandemic!!??

John
Juan Valdez - 28 Jul 2005 19:38 GMT
> I use 10 ml green bottles of Alphagan P.  I have a laboratory
> type (+- 0.01 g)  pan balance ($300).  New 10 ml bottles always
> contain very close to 10.00 ml.  They usually last me about 50
> days for 2 eyes 2x/day.  I often have erratic drop problems.

You get about twice the mileage as I do. Your drop size of .05 ml/drop
seems rather small.

The bottle HAS to contain 10.0 ml, or the manufacturer runs big time afoul
of the FDA. I also doubt that composition of the contents varies much from
lot to lot.

Assuming surface tension and viscosity (composition dependent) are
constant, the size and shape of the orfice and the resistance of the body
of the bottle to deformation probably account for most of the lot-to-lot
variation. Wide swings in temperature will also affect the outcome,
although small temperature deviations should be a minor contributor to
variance.

I doubt that the bottles undergo the same level of statistical process
control (except for cleanliness) as the pharmaceuticals they contain.
Ed Patterson - 28 Jul 2005 20:22 GMT
>> I use 10 ml green bottles of Alphagan P.  I have a laboratory
>> type (+- 0.01 g)  pan balance ($300).  New 10 ml bottles always
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>I doubt that the bottles undergo the same level of statistical process
>control (except for cleanliness) as the pharmaceuticals they contain.

Bottles that blow air bubbles are very close to empty. Store them cap
down at that point. There are several more treatments that drain down
inside the bottle between applications. Some of my drops cost about a
dollar a drop and I want to recover all of them.
Norman - 14 Aug 2005 21:21 GMT
>> I get my Alphagan in a small greenish opaque bottle.  I take one drop in
>> my left eye each night.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>should be searchable in Google) which showed an embarassingly large
>deviation from bottle to bottle.

Which would explain why I tend to get 3-5 weeks out of my bottles. Shaking the
bottle that I opened on Jul 15, it seems I'll be needing a new one in a few
days. Consumption rates of my other drops tend to be more regular & predictable.

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Norman
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