Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Glaucoma / April 2004
Vitamin C for glaucoma
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Laura - 09 Mar 2004 04:06 GMT Hi, everyone,
I'm wondering what the consensus here is on the use of mega-doses of vitamin C in the treatment of glaucoma?
I first read about it in THE DOCTOR'S COMPLETE GUIDE TO VITAMINS AND MINERALS by Mary Dan Eades, M.D. I've also found some mention of it on the Internet -- at other than vitamin stores and alternative medicine sites, etc. Apparently it's a major part of glaucoma treatment in some parts of Asia and Europe. The claim is that you can reduce IOP by as much as half by taking huge doses of Vitamin C -- like about 30-40 grams a day.
I have no problem with taking normal doses of Vitamin C, which the vast majority define as anywhere from 500 to 4000 mg. (.5 to 4 grams) a day. But these huge doses sounded ridiculous to me, until one site explained that they work through osmosis. Problem is, most people will develop diarrhea on that much Vitamin C. The usual recommendation is that you build up gradually until you reach bowel tolerance, around 5-22 grams a day, according to Dr. Eades.
My glaucoma specialist has never heard of this and is very skeptical of it. So am I, frankly. I'm willing to try it if it works, but I wonder if it's just a waste of money. And is it safe? Most sites mention only the diarrhea problem, but I've seen mention that it can deplete your copper, can increase iron absorption problems in people with iron overload, and can interact with certain drugs.
Any thoughts?
Thanks, Laura
MC. - 09 Mar 2004 06:16 GMT > Hi, everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Any thoughts? I just Googled "mega dose vitamin c dangers" and got about 500 hits.
Here's one from the BBC Health pages:
Q: Vitamin Dangers... What dangers could there be from taking vitamins, and what should you do if you think you have taken too much? Manni
Dr Trisha Macnair responds
While some people argue that the recommended daily intake levels of many vitamins are not high enough to keep illness at bay, there is no doubt that there are possible risks from taking excessive amounts of vitamins. It's very hard to take too much vitamins in from eating natural foods, but much easier to overdose on vitamin supplements. This has been highlighted by the recent trend to take 'mega-vitamins' - extremely high doses which are supposed to have specific health benefits but which can be very dangerous.
Most risky are the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K), while taking very large amounts of water-soluble vitamins rarely causes toxic effects because these vitamins are simply washed out in the urine. However, adverse reactions to Vitamin C and Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) have been reported.
Specific risks are:
* Vitamin A Vitamin A is one of the most dangerous vitamins in excessive doses, causing a syndrome called hypervitaminosis A, which includes symptoms such as nausea, headache, appetite loss, skin changes and irregular periods. In extreme cases there may be liver damage. Vitamin A is also teratogenic - it can cause abnormalities in the unborn child if taken by a pregnant woman.
* Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) High doses of vitamin B6 can cause nerve damage, although there is currently some debate at to how much constitutes a dangerous dose. High doses (50-100 mg a day) are said to be helpful in pre-menstrual syndrome but women are best advised to stick to the dose recommended by their pharmacist. * Vitamin C The dangerous link with high doses of vitamin C (more than I gram a day) is to nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhoea and kidney stones. * Vitamin D Excessive amounts of Vitamin D can cause chaos with levels of calcium and phosphate in the body, with high blood levels of calcium causing thirst, muscle weakness, stomach upsets, kidney stones and growth problems in children.
* Vitamin E If high doses are continually taken there is a risk of stomach upsets and abdominal pain, and disruption of absorption of other fat soluble vitamins into the body.
Action in overdose
If you think you have taken too much of any vitamin, don't panic. There is rarely any need for urgent action unless maybe if you have just swallowed a whole bottle full (in which case you should go to your local hospital emergency department or ring them to check procedures). In general most toxicity is the result of prolonged intake of high doses, and is often reversible. Stop taking the vitamins and talk to your doctor who can check you for possible side effects.
NB: Many vitamin supplements include a combination of vitamins and minerals in each tablet. Some supplements such as Iron can be very toxic if taken in excessive doses, and may need immediate treatment. Read the contents label on the bottle carefully and get expert advice from the emergency medicine department at your local hospital. 30 July 2001
MC. - 09 Mar 2004 06:18 GMT > Hi, everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Thanks, > Laura From Medline:
Precautions While Using This Medicine
Vitamin C is not stored in the body. If you take more than you need, the extra vitamin C will pass into your urine. Very large doses may also interfere with tests for sugar in diabetics and with tests for blood in the stool.
Sherry - 09 Mar 2004 15:10 GMT >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I'm wondering what the consensus here is on the use of mega-doses >> of vitamin C in the treatment of glaucoma? <snip>
> From Medline: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > also interfere with tests for sugar in diabetics and with tests for > blood in the stool. I've also been told that too much Vitamin C will "encourage" formation of Kidney Stones - not fun!
Sherry
\( TN Artist, trish,tn \) - 14 Mar 2004 02:11 GMT What is an overdose of VIT A ? My Opthamalogist has me on I-Caps --6,000 iu--actually the bottle says take 2 --12,000 iu .( I take one ) This med is over the counter -also contains -vit. c,e,b-2, b-12,calcium,copper, manganese & Lutin . Is anyone else on I _Caps ?
Laura - 15 Mar 2004 00:57 GMT I won't take more than 10,000 IU, unless a doctor tells me to. A recommendation I've seen is to use beta carotene if you want more because vitamin A is derived from it, and it's far less likely to cause an overdose.
Out of curiosity, how much vitamin C is in I-Caps?
Laura
>What is an overdose of VIT A ? My Opthamalogist has me on I-Caps --6,000 >iu--actually the bottle says take 2 --12,000 iu .( I take one ) This >med is over the counter -also contains -vit. c,e,b-2, >b-12,calcium,copper, manganese & Lutin . Is anyone else on I _Caps ? \( TN Artist, trish,tn \) - 17 Mar 2004 07:32 GMT Hi Laura --vitiminns listed in I -Caps vit. C-400mg A-6,600 E-150iu Riboflavin ( B 2) 10mg Calcium 37 mg zinc 60mg-as zinc acetate Selenium 40 mg Copper -4 mcg Manganese-10 mg Lutein -4mg serving size 2 tablets
Victor - 28 Mar 2004 23:23 GMT The following is incorrect, although it is widely quoted by people wishing to argue against high doses of Vit C.
> I've also been told that too much Vitamin C will "encourage" formation > of Kidney Stones - not fun! The following is also essentially a misrepresentation. Vitamin C can draw water into the intestines. What is described below (except for the kidney stone part, which is just plain misinformation) is often called the "bowel tolerance" limit, and its effect is just like that of a laxative. It is not a serious or harmful side effect. In some people, this limit was way above 1 gm/day. In all people, a slow increase to the larger amounts of vitamin C will reduce or eliminate this laxative effect. Also, in all people, the bowel tolerance limit will go up when the body needs more vitamin C (such as to cope with a stressful health or life situation).
>Dr Trisha Macnair responds >* Vitamin C >The dangerous link with high doses of vitamin C (more than I gram a day) >is to nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhoea and kidney stones. ----------
Regarding the Vitamin A questions, beta carotene is certainly perferrable to Vitamin A, but even beta carotene is not the ideal supplement. The best approach is to use a carotenoid complex that contains all the related nutrients. Do not take either vitamin A nor beta carotene -- take only the full carotenoid complex.
Victor - 12 Apr 2004 17:20 GMT There have been a couple recent posts in this group on nerve regeneration. Here is another one related to vitamin C. This info is relevant to this group because we know vitamin C can have a positive effect on IOP also. March 22, 2004
Vitamin C treats neurologic condition
The April 2004 issue of the journal Nature Medicine published an article by French researchers who discussed the finding that vitamin C could help alleviate the symptoms of Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease (CMT), the most common inherited peripheral neuropathy, which affects one out of every 25,000 individuals. Approximately half of CMT patients have the CMT-1A form which is characterized by abnormal peripheral nerve myelination, leading to nerve damage and muscle atrophy.
Michel Font?s and colleagues used a mouse model of the disease to determine the effects of ascorbic acid, which has been shown to be necessary for the promotion of myelination in vitro and, when deficient, has been linked with femoral neuropathies. In a series of experiments, the mice were fed the equivalent of approximately four grams ascorbic acid for a 70 kilogram adult male, which approaches the maximal amount approved for ascorbic acid deficiency treatment, or a placebo. The researchers found substantial improvements in movement in the mice treated with vitamin C after three months. The males were treated with the vitamin until their natural deaths. Males of this genetic strain who received placebos or no treatment lived an average of six months compared to male mice who received ascorbic acid who survived an average of 19.7 months, which approaches the lifespan of normal mice.
When the sciatic nerves of the experimental mice were examined, ascorbic acid was found to be associated with remyelination , demonstrating nerve repair.
A further finding was that the gene that is overexpressed in CMT-1A was inhibited by ascorbic acid to a level below that which is necessary to induce the disease's effects in the body. The authors propose that the effects of ascorbic acid are due not only to its antioxidant properties, but to a direct control of specific gene expression. They plan to initiate future trials in humans.
> The following is incorrect, although it is widely quoted by people wishing > to argue against high doses of Vit C. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nutrients. Do not take either vitamin A nor beta carotene -- take only the > full carotenoid complex. Victor - 12 Apr 2004 17:57 GMT I just read one more interesting snippet. Here it is:
Vitamin C Fortunately, history provides significant therapeutics in regard to managing glaucoma. Conventional medications and interventions are the most widely used methods of treatment, but nutritional protocols have produced convincing evidence of benefit.
Vitamin C is an effective adjunct in stabilizing IOP. Some individuals respond to as little as 2 grams a day of vitamin C, although others respond to only extremely high doses, for example, 35 grams a day. Because of the variance in the amount of vitamin C required to exert a positive effect, careful monitoring by a physician is required. Intravenous administration of vitamin C results in an even greater initial reduction. The pressure-lowering action of vitamin C is long-lasting if supplementation is continued, frequently showing an average reduction of 16 mmHg. Nearly normal tension levels have been achieved in some patients using vitamin C, when acetazolamide and pilocarpine therapy failed. The beneficial mechanisms by which vitamin C lowers inner eye pressure include (1) increased blood osmolarity, a process that draws fluid from the eye and into the blood, (2) diminished production of eye fluid, and (3) improved fluid outflow.
Many of the benefits of vitamin C are likely attributable to collagen formation, an important function of this water-soluble vitamin. Collagen is the most abundant protein in the body, including the eye, giving strength and integrity to ocular tissue. Vitamin C helps preserve the collagen in the eyes' drainage tubes, the very tubes that malfunction in glaucoma. Credits directed to vitamin C appear justified when considering reduced IOP and the improved structural health of the eye.
Bioflavonoids: What Can They Accomplish? All nutrients that support collagen metabolism, particularly at the back of the eye where the optic nerve exits and in the tissues that drain the eye, are important in glaucoma treatment. One such nutrient bioflavonoid, known as the proanthocyanidins (found in grape seeds and pine bark), cooperates with vitamin C in achieving collagen integrity. In the eye, collagen provides tensile strength and stability to the tissue. Another major function of vitamin C is the preservation of capillary integrity, a task made easier with the assistance of a bioflavonoid. The bioflavonoids work not only with vitamin C but also on behalf of vitamin C, preventing the breakdown of ascorbate. The proanthocyanidin bioflavonoids work by binding to collagen, increasing elasticity and flexibility. The proanthocyanidins are considered a powerful antioxidant, defending the collagen matrix against free-radical attack and guarding it against enzymatic breakdown through the enhanced delivery of oxygen and blood to the eye.
Rutin, a bioflavonoid from the citrus family, has demonstrated the ability to lower IOP when used in conjunction with standard drugs. Pansy (Viola) contains up to 23% rutin on a dry-weight basis. Naturopaths, for the treatment of glaucoma, often recommend sources of rutin, including pansy.
The genus Vaccinium comprises nearly 200 species of berries, all showing generous amounts of flavonoid/anthocyanidin compounds. Bilberry, Vaccinium myrtillus fructus, has historically been used in various eye conditions, including glaucoma, cataracts, macular degeneration, diabetic retinopathy, and retinitis pigmentosa. Although bilberry is not considered a curative herb in regard to glaucoma treatment, it appears to assist in halting additional damage by bringing a good flow of blood to the eyes.
Coleus Forskohlii When Coleus forskohlii was applied directly to the eye, it was shown, in clinical studies involving both animals and humans, to reduce IOP, making it of significant benefit in glaucoma treatment. Forskolin represents a potentially useful class of antiglaucoma agents, differing in molecular mechanism and action from previously used drugs (Caprioli et al. 1984; Hartman et al. 1988). C. forskohlii appears to have a twofold approach that delivers benefit to the glaucomatous eye by increasing intraocular circulation and decreasing aqueous humor outflow. The outflow facility remains unchanged, but the ciliary blood in the vascular tunic increases. The benefits are observable about an hour after application and reach a therapeutic peak at 2 hours. The value of C. forskohlii remains significant for at least 5 hours after application. Because C. forskohlii eye drops are not yet available, oral administration may be considered, with the hope that similar results can be obtained. C. forskohlii appears to bestow its therapeutic values without risk of major side effect.
C. forskohlii has been used to advantage in the treatment of hypothyroidism. Interestingly, subclinical hypothyroidism, so mild that it produces no symptoms, has been noted as a cofactor in some glaucomatous patients.
Hydergine has some of the same biochemical advantages as C. forskohlii. Hydergine may be capable of lowering IOP by decreasing hypoxia (reduced oxygen supply) and preventing free radical damage to critical cells.
The Value of Minerals Magnesium has long been recognized as nature's physiological calcium blocker. Previous studies had demonstrated that calcium channel-blocking drugs offer benefits for some glaucoma patients. Armed with this revelation, researchers at the University Eye Clinic in Basel, Switzerland, evaluated the effect of supplemental magnesium on glaucoma patients. Magnesium (121.5 mg twice daily) was administered to 10 glaucomatous patients for 1 month. At the conclusion of the study, results substantiated that magnesium supplementation improved the peripheral circulation, with an accompanying beneficial effect on the visual field in patients with glaucoma.
Magnesium also has the ability to turn off the sympathetic nervous system. This is a reputation that has earned magnesium credit in cardiology, acting as an antiadrenergic. An antiadrenergic drug blocks the effects of impulses transmitted by the adrenergic postganglionic fibers of the sympathetic nervous system. This act would tone and modify the sympathetic response, soothing the "fight or flight" syndrome. Recall that among the many functions controlled by the sympathetic nervous system--those normally not under conscious control--are dilation of the pupils and a general stimulatory response. Stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system would be contraindicated in glaucoma control.
Minerals are absolutely essential to longevity and quality of life. Individuals can survive longer with a vitamin deficiency than with a mineral deficiency. The importance of minerals is becoming more evident as research data amass. The trace mineral chromium has won additional credit beyond stabilization of blood glucose levels by being able to improve focusing of the eye and lower IOP. Selenium benefits ocular function, and zinc supports healthy eye structure. Selection of a good multiple will provide these vital minerals, plus additional nutrients needed for ocular health.
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The current hypothesis regarding the causative factors of glaucoma leans toward the neurotoxicity/neuroprotection theory. Ophthalmologists refer to neurotoxicity as the "buzz word" in their profession (i.e., the focus of current glaucoma exploration). It appears to be more than a trendy, ungrounded approach to explaining the causative factors and therapeutic modalities of glaucoma. Research emanating from various prestigious universities converges when considering the neurotoxicity theory of glaucoma.
The opinions of Dr. N. N. Osborne, Nuffield Laboratory of Ophthalmology, Oxford University, echo those of many other scholars who are studying glaucoma. Dr. Osborne believes that the visual-field loss in glaucoma is due to the death of retinal ganglion cells. Reducing or slowing down the loss of ganglion cells, a concept known as neuroprotection, appears to be the "only way forward." Osborne proposes that the death of neurons (a process referred to as apoptotic cell death) in various diseases is fundamentally the same but varies in cause. Experimental data show that the death rate of neuronal populations is dependent upon the impact of the insult. Neuroprotectants are more likely to benefit a patient in which neurons die slowly, as in glaucoma. If a reliable neuroprotector can be administered in such a way that it reaches the retina in appropriate amounts and has insignificant side effects, it is likely to attenuate ganglion cell death and thus benefit the glaucoma patient. Providing a solution to neurotoxicity appears to be the therapeutic goal for future treatment.
Aminoguanidine may help preserve the vision of refractory glaucoma patients by inhibiting the build-up of nitric oxide synthase-2 (NOS-2), a substance believed to degrade neuroprotection. NOS-2 stimulates the emission of nitric oxide, a compound implicated in retinal nerve damage (Morgan et al. 1999). Reduction of nitric oxide through nitric oxide synthase inhibition provides partial but significant protection against the lethal effects of oxygen deprivation and the action of excitatory amino acids, such as glutamate and aspartate, upon retinal ganglion cells.
Interest in knowing exactly what aminoguanidine could accomplish in regard to glaucoma spurred researchers at Washington University to look at the drug more closely. Two glaucomatous groups of animals were selected for aminoguanidine research. All animals initially displayed elevated IOP, with cupping and pallor of the optic disc. One group remained untreated, and the other group was treated with aminoguanidine. At the conclusion of the 6-month study, the untreated group displayed the original benchmark symptoms, whereas the eyes of the aminoguanidine-treated group appeared normal but with continued elevations in IOP.
The Washington University study also quantified retinal ganglion cell loss in a group receiving aminoguanidine compared to a control group void of treatment. The untreated group displayed a 36% loss of retinal ganglion cells, compared to less than 10% in the treated group. To realize the importance of this latter finding, visualize the retina being composed of ten layers of various types of cells. Retinal ganglion cells are large, flask-shaped cells composing one of the ten layers. The degradation of the ganglion cells pathologically compromises the delicate nervous tissue membrane of the retina. The final consensus of the study was that aminoguanidine might prove useful as a pharmacological neuroprotector in the treatment of glaucoma, contributing to a healthier eye, with less neuronal death.
Some patients have normal (or low) tension glaucoma. Even though the eye pressure is within normal range, the optic nerve continues to be injured. Despite efficient control of IOP, retinal ganglion cell loss will continue, resulting in further visual impairment if the causative factor is not determined and treated. This revelation was considered valuable, for it exonerated IOP as being the sole antagonist in retinal degradation. Researchers at University Hospital of Wales determined that neuroprotective agents might play a role in patients with glaucoma who have progressive visual-field loss despite satisfactory control of IOP.
Glutamate's Role in Glaucoma Agreement on the importance of preventing the death of retinal ganglion cells has been established, but the cause of ganglion cell death remains speculative. Present information supports the hypothesis that ganglion cell death may result from a form of ischemia (decreased blood flow to a body organ or part). During ischemia, glutamate is released in excessive amounts, initiating the death of neurons. Glutamate is a salt of glutamic acid, a nonessential amino acid occurring in a wide number of proteins. Glutamate is considered a good guy/bad guy. Because brain cells use glutamate as a neurotransmitter, it may rightly be termed a "great communicator" as signals leap from neuron to neuron. Effective communication also means the controlled release of glutamate, as precise amounts are delivered to the proper cells. It is when glutamate occurs in excessive amounts that trouble begins. Communication between cells fails, and exorbitant amounts of glutamate attach to cells having glutamate receptors. This bonding or attachment spells doom to the ganglion cell, resulting in eventual cell death. Excesses of glutamate have, in effect, poisoned the cell.
Elevated glutamate levels can also exist in the vitreous humor of patients with glaucoma (27 m M as compared to 11 m M in controls) (Vorwerk et al. 1999a). The vitreous humor fills the posterior compartment of the eye, assisting in holding the retina and lens in place. An increased concentration of glutamate in the vitreous humor is sufficient to induce retinal ganglion cell death (Vorwerk et al. 1999b). The rise in IOP is probably the initial insult, which enhances the increase or release of glutamate. Supplements that protect against glutamate toxicity will be discussed later in this protocol.
> The following is incorrect, although it is widely quoted by people wishing > to argue against high doses of Vit C. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nutrients. Do not take either vitamin A nor beta carotene -- take only the > full carotenoid complex. Victor - 12 Apr 2004 18:17 GMT Natural therapies for ocular disorders, part two: cataracts and glaucoma.
Head KA. Thorne Research, Inc., P.O. Box 25, Dover, ID 83825,USA. kathi@thorne.com
Altern Med Rev 2001 Apr;6(2):141-66
Pathophysiological mechanisms of cataract formation include deficient glutathione levels contributing to a faulty antioxidant defense system within the lens of the eye. Nutrients to increase glutathione levels and activity include lipoic acid, vitamins E and C, and selenium. Cataract patients also tend to be deficient in vitamin A and the carotenes, lutein and zeaxanthin. The B vitamin riboflavin appears to play an essential role as a precursor to flavin adenine dinucleotide (FAD), a co-factor for glutathione reductase activity. Other nutrients and botanicals, which may benefit cataract patients or help prevent cataracts, include pantethine, folic acid, melatonin, and bilberry. Diabetic cataracts are caused by an elevation of polyols within the lens of the eye catalyzed by the enzyme aldose reductase. Flavonoids, particularly quercetin and its derivatives, are potent inhibitors of aldose reductase. Glaucoma is characterized by increased intraocular pressure (IOP) in some but not all cases. Some patients with glaucoma have normal IOP but poor circulation, resulting in damage to the optic nerve. Faulty glycosaminoglycan (GAG) synthesis or breakdown in the trabecular meshwork associated with aqueous outflow has also been implicated. Similar to patients with cataracts, those with glaucoma typically have compromised antioxidant defense systems as well. Nutrients that can impact GAGs such as vitamin C and glucosamine sulfate may hold promise for glaucoma treatment. Vitamin C in high doses has been found to lower IOP via its osmotic effect. Other nutrients holding some potential benefit for glaucoma include lipoic acid, vitamin B12, magnesium, and melatonin. Botanicals may offer some therapeutic potential. Ginkgo biloba increases circulation to the optic nerve; forskolin (an extract from Coleus forskohlii) has been used successfully as a topical agent to lower IOP; and intramuscular injections of Salvia miltiorrhiza have shown benefit in improving visual acuity and peripheral vision in people with glaucoma.
Ascorbic acid in the treatment of alkali burns of the eye.
Pfister RR, Paterson CA.
Ophthalmology 1980 Oct;87(10):1050-7
Severe ocular alkali burns in rabbits result in a decrease in aqueous humor ascorbate levels to one-third normal levels. If this deficiency is reversed by immediate treatment with parenteral or topical ascorbate, there is a significantly decreased incidence of subsequent corneal ulceration and perforation. The morphologic changes in these ulcerating corneas are typical of those noted in scorbutus (scurvy). It is concluded that alkali injury to the ciliary epithelial transport processes or ciliary body vasculature results in localized deficiency of ascorbic acid in the aqueous humor and cornea. The development of corneal ulceration is thought to be based on this deficiency which results in the failure of fibroblasts to produce sufficient collagen for repair. A randomized clinical trial of ascorbic acid in the treatment of human alkali burned eyes is now underway.
Abnormal formation of collagen cross-links in skin fibroblasts cultured from patients with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome type VI.
Pasquali M, Still MJ, Vales T, Rosen RI, Evinger JD, Dembure PP, Longo N, Elsas LJ. Department of Pediatrics, Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322, USA.
Proc Assoc Am Physicians 1997 Jan;109(1):33-41
Ehlers-Danlos syndrome type VI (EDS VI) is an autosomal recessive disorder of connective tissue characterized by hyperextensible, friable skin and joint hypermobility. Severe scoliosis and ocular fragility are present in some patients. This disease is caused by defective collagen lsyl hydroxylase, a vitamin C-dependent enzyme that converts lysyl residues to hydroxylysine on procollagen peptides. Hydroxylysine is essential for the formation of the covalent pyridinium cross-links pyridinoline (Pyr) and deoxypyridinoline (Dpyr), among mature collagen molecules. Pyr derives from three hydroxylysyl residues, whereas Dpyr derives from one lysyl and two hydroxylysyl residues. Patients with EDS VI have high urinary excretion of Dpyr, resulting in a high ratio of Dpyr-Pyr. In this study, we evaluate content and production of pyridinium cross-links in the skin and cultured fibroblasts from patients with EDS VI. The skin of normal controls contained both Pyr and Dpyr, with a marked predominance of Pyr as observed in normal urine. The skin of patients with EDS VI had reduced total content of pyridinium cross-links, with the presence of Dpyr but not Pyr. Long-term cultures of control fibroblasts produced both Pyr and Dpyr, with a pattern resembling that of normal skin. By contrast, cross-links were not detected in dermal fibroblasts cultured from patients with EDS VI. Vitamin C, which improves the clinical manifestations of some patients with EDS VI, decreased Dpyr accumulation though only minimally affecting Pyr content in control cells. By contrast, addition of vitamin C to fibroblasts from patients with EDS VI stimulated the formation of Dpyr more than that of Pyr and greatly increased total pyridinium cross-link formation. These results indicate that qualitative and quantitative alterations of pyridinium cross-links occur in skin and in cultured dermal fibroblasts of patients with EDS VI and may be responsible for their abnormal skin findings. The vitamin C-stimulated production of Dpyr and Pyr in fibroblasts from patients with EDS VI may explain at least in part the therapeutic effects of this vitamin in EDS VI.
> The following is incorrect, although it is widely quoted by people wishing > to argue against high doses of Vit C. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nutrients. Do not take either vitamin A nor beta carotene -- take only the > full carotenoid complex. Sherry - 09 Mar 2004 15:17 GMT > Hi, everyone, > > I'm wondering what the consensus here is on the use of mega-doses of > vitamin C in the treatment of glaucoma?<snip> > Thanks, > Laura Laura,
I read a "study" by a "local" ophthamologist touting the benefits of mega-doses of Vitamin C for glaucoma. I asked my ophth about that and he said that the ophth I quoted had been "run out of town" for malpractice and he wouldn't believe the guy if he said the sun was shining!
I did have a friend who had PRK surgery done by this ophth and he had ruined her eyes. Doing some further digging around he had many malpractice lawsuits against him and had actually left the country to escape them!
Sherry
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