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PIPER - 19 Feb 2005 03:40 GMT
Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
(electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really thought
that my first seizures was a fluke but here I am. I do feel very scared. I
knew I was going to have a migraine because when I went into work I have the
spots in my right eyes vision, kind of like windex was sprayed on my
eyeball, but I never even thought it would end in a seizure. Ugh, now i have
to worry about work.I am grateful though that it wasn't worse, it could have
been sooooo much worse.I  do give thanks to God that it wasn't worse.Sorry
to unload but its kind of nice to send my thoughts out into the beyond.

piper hall
G.Ross - 19 Feb 2005 04:09 GMT
> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really
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> piper hall

Were you near anything in the electronics that would have produced a
strobing effect? Some people are more sensitive to erratic lighting,
although it sounds (above) like you were already weakened with the Migraine.
  Have you seen a Dr. yet following the last one, and had any tests done?
Usually they'd do an EEG first, to see if they can locate where it's coming
from (**tell them about the *migraine). Any symptoms you can tell them
about, or what others saw when you started, will help them locate where it's
starting from.
   Sometimes different pills might be used (if they decide to do that)
depending where the seizure appears to start from.   Some people can have
seizure for a short time then not be sensitive later.  Others of us are in
this for the long haul.
   I have a few sites I used to post but they're not handy at the moment
and I'll be offline shortly.    The main U.S. Ep. Foundation website is at
http://efa.org  .  If you see one of Julie's older posts, the Idaho website
is at end of her posts.   Check the First Aid for Seizures chart, and see
which symptoms most match what you experienced.    Your Dr. should refer you
to a Neurologist (if you don't already have one) for a full assessment.
   With respect to work, that shouldn't be a problem, as most seizure types
can be treated and not have major impact on your ability to work. If they
give you problems, the main efa site might have links to the Americans with
Disabilities site with info. that might apply in the U.S. to workplace law.
   I'll look up the other sites in the morning, if others don't post them
overnight. G./
G.Ross - 19 Feb 2005 15:38 GMT
The main Idaho Epilepsy News site is at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org  .
Within that are links that also go through an Education area called Learn
about Epilepsy -- at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/learn.htm.
  Often some *symptoms people **exhibit give clues to *type of seizures
they're having and best described on a First Aid for Seizures Chart.  These
are my favorites -- also from Epilepsy Idaho. One is
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure2.htm    and that links to
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure.htm .   One of those is easier to
print, although both display well for information or reference.
  There is also a separate page for First Aid in Water I didn't include,
although those sites might link to it.  What to do when someone in swimming
is somewhat different that if they were to collapse 'on land'.
    Howdy Dave has a site he put together ~10? years ago and he regularly
updates.  He was also one of the oldest :-<  members of this group and
someone told me he was one of the Founders too.  Most people don't know
that, so he doesn't get a swelled head or anything.. :->   His site is at
http://www.howdydave.com  .  G2R2/

> "PIPER" <> wrote in message
>> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
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> and I'll be offline shortly.    The main U.S. Ep. Foundation website is at
> http://efa.org  .
 Your Dr. should refer you  to a Neurologist (if you don't already have
one) for a full assessment.

>    I'll look up the other sites in the morning, if others don't post them
> overnight. G./    (See addresses posted at Top, now.)
PIPER - 21 Feb 2005 04:45 GMT
I have been working in that exact dept for almost 4 yrs and wasn't diag.
with epilepsey til may 2003.I dont know what caused it but  my migraines are
fairly frequent even though they have never led to this before.I have a appt
with my GP monday.

piper
Mary Fisher - 19 Feb 2005 12:14 GMT
> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really
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> been sooooo much worse.I  do give thanks to God that it wasn't worse.Sorry
> to unload but its kind of nice to send my thoughts out into the beyond.

G. has posted the technical bit but I'd like to say that of course you can
cry here, we all understand and re good at listening in diffferent ways.

There's a huge resource of experience and information - although you must
remember that we're all different so you mustn't expect anyone to have had
exactly the same experience as you had.

Above all, seek medical help.

Don't go away, let us know what happens.

Hugs,

Mary

> piper hall
Dave ???? - 19 Feb 2005 16:56 GMT
Howdy Piper!

I can't think of a BETTER place to cry.

If you cry here you will find empathy and understanding!

Probably just about all of us have been there and done that AT LEAST once.

Signature

Dave ????

http://www.howdydave.com

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> > piper hall
PIPER - 22 Feb 2005 19:46 GMT
Thanks Dave,its nice to be somewhere where i am not the odd person out.

piper
> Howdy Piper!
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PIPER - 22 Feb 2005 19:45 GMT
Thanks Mary.My GP said I looked and checked out fine so that is good news.No
more driving for me for awhile! bummer.

piper hall

> > Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> > (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really
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> > piper hall
Julie - 19 Feb 2005 21:32 GMT
Welcome to our group piper.  I am truly sorry to hear about your seizure at
work.  I think that is probably one of the biggest fears we all have is having a
seizure in public.  One way of looking at it is that this is a good opportunity
to educate your workmates.  When I was working steady as an Office Manager I
would have days when I didn't feel well and I would tell my boss and others that
I felt like I might have a seizure.  He would say go home, but I told him I
wasn't asking to go home, I was just letting him know how I was feeling and if I
felt a seizure coming I would lay on the floor.  I was just forewarning him in
case it happened so they didn't freak out.  I never had a seizure at work, but I
did have a couple seizures away from work and had to call in to take a few days
off.  They when I returned to work they could see that I wasn't back to "normal"
for a few weeks.

People were pretty understanding and wanted to know what to do to help.
Hopefully your employer and workmates will take that same kind of attitude.

I was listening to a radio personality the other day who was talking about how
we perceive things (the glass half empty - or the glass half full).  We can all
try to look at our own circumstances in a positive way and think of how things
could have been worse. If you didn't have to go away in an ambulance - that's
good.  If you did have to go away in an ambulance, that can be good too if they
saved your life.

One time I started to have an event at a basketball tournament in Reno (flashing
lights and MSG in the food contributed).  I knew that I needed help, so I told
my husband to get me to the First Aid Room.  The emergency medical techs started
to ask questions and take vital stats.  I could tell by the look on their faces
that they were expecting bad things.  I told them what I needed right away.  I
needed to get away from the noise, they put me on a gurney and wheeled me
through the halls to the bottom floor in a quiet room.  I asked for a soda.  My
husband brought that and they gave me oxygen.  I was in the middle of an
irritable bowel attack which has triggered seizures in me before.  They got me
to a rest room and I took my pill to stop the cramping.  Finally after about
half an hour my vital statistics started to normalize.  They said I should
leave, but I wanted to stay.  I told them people with epilepsy need to have a
life too.  They warned me that I could still have a seizure.  I told them if I
felt like I would have one I can lay down.  There was a lady working there who
told them she would be in charge of me and make sure I was OK.  They put me in a
wheel chair and wheeled me to the wheel chair section (where my mother and
family were sitting anyway).  I started to feel better and enjoyed the game.  We
were able to return the next day to see our team lose the last game :-( .  That
experience taught me that I can make it if I need help from the paramedics, I
can speak up for what I want to do and I wasn't embarrassed.  In fact I remember
that someone from the stands who was rooting for our university came by and
brought me a pom pom to shake.  When I think back on that experience I think of
it as a positive experience because of the way I was treated and how I was able
to empower myself.

Take care,
Julie Walton, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org

> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really thought
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> piper hall
PIPER - 22 Feb 2005 19:50 GMT
Thank you Julie,
Over the last few days I have been treated very well by my co-workers.So far
everyone has told me they didnt care about how I might have looked, just
that I was ok.I even had a few grab and hug me!I have decided that the Lord
was taking care of me seeing as I had the seizure on a padded surface and
did not really injury myself.

thanks
piper
> Welcome to our group piper.  I am truly sorry to hear about your seizure at
> work.  I think that is probably one of the biggest fears we all have is having a
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> > piper hall
Julie - 25 Feb 2005 04:49 GMT
Glad to hear things are going well at work.  I'm proud of you and your
co-workers.

I've been busy helping a client.  The law firm I work with all had to attend a
funeral yesterday.  Their secretary's son died of cancer.  He was only 29.  I
had a rather grouchy guy call yesterday needing to know about a court date he
was scheduled to attend and he acted like he hadn't been given notice, when he
had.  Anyway when I explained that everyone was out of the office and the only
explanation I had was possibly the ball was dropped on this matter because of
the secretary losing her son to death.  The guy calmed right down and said
"well, I guess that puts things into perspective".

I think she'll be back to work Monday, so next week I will be able to work from
home.  I am sooooooo tired.  It is nice to work for people who really appreciate
you ;-)

Take care,
Julie

> Thank you Julie,
> Over the last few days I have been treated very well by my co-workers.So far
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> > > piper hall
PIPER - 25 Feb 2005 05:05 GMT
Julie,

I had a co worker baby me all night tonight.She was always looking for me to
make sure i was ok.I am thinking of leaving the electronics dept but have no
idea what dept i want to go to.

piper hall
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Julie - 28 Feb 2005 06:42 GMT
Hi Piper, I guess I would think about what your interests are and who the
manager's of those departments would be.  Do you like gardening?  I think
Walmart has a gardening department, they will need alot of help in the spring
and summer.

Take care,
Julie

> Julie,
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> piper hall
> "
PIPER - 01 Mar 2005 04:07 GMT
Yes, I have been going through the goods/bads of each dept. and to be honest
music and movies is what I like best. I will keep my eye on other  depts
that have open spots.

thanks julie
piper
> Hi Piper, I guess I would think about what your interests are and who the
> manager's of those departments would be.  Do you like gardening?  I think
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CyberCafe - 20 Feb 2005 09:42 GMT
> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really thought
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>
> piper hall

Glad you came here.  Nothing like a bunch of old hands who understand.
Yup, you can cry, whine, or complain here. Question though.  What part
of work is worrying you?

Barb
PIPER - 22 Feb 2005 19:52 GMT
Thanks for the welcome. The part that worries me is that now  I am afraid
they are going to find some excuse to fire me. Like so many others in this
country I work because I NEED to.I have decided not to worry though, what
will be will be.

piper
> > Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> > (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really thought
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>
> Barb
G.Ross - 22 Feb 2005 21:08 GMT
 Do you have a Local Chapter of an Epilepsy Association?  Most have a
newsletter and sometimes talks and presentations depending on the size of
your area.   They can provide useful information over and above what you'll
pick up here, but many also have councillors who can tell you about Rights
with respect to Employee Treatment.
  Unless you drive a Forklift or a Large Truck for them, they shouldn't
have any problems adjusting to your needs.
 Labour Laws in Canada, and Americans with Disabilities in U.S. 'should'
protect you in many cases.  Your 'employer'  did not fair well on a recent
(Canada) episode of Marketplace, where a store wanted to Unionize.  It was
one of about 3 Major businesses in a small Ontario town, so they Closed the
store !!  They got excellent 'PR'  from that with a National TV Show,
following their Execs around, asking if they had read Employment Law before
they opened, did they do that in the U.S.? etc.

    *Some of us can be sensitive to Flashing lights, or Strobes, others to
strong aromas like Bleach or Lemon Cleaners.   In Theory, the last part
shouldn't be a problem for you since any store who'd use strong cleaners
while the store was open, would affect customers too.  (I spoke to a couple
~1999 to explain why I was leaving their store at Noon and wouldn't be
back -- that just as a customer though).
  If you know some of the things that you might react to, and that might
'trigger' an aura (dizzy, disoriented feeling),  those might be things to
avoid so much as you can. I didn't realize when I had my first 2-3 seizures
that there were particular things (beyond the internal damage I had had 10
years before),  that I was more sensitive to than not.
  Large Crowds too and a Hot environment make me uncomfortable now.  I
guess I wouldn't be much use at a Large Sale !! :-<      But those were only
things I started to notice when I was aware I might be sensitive to other
triggers.

  Did they prescribe any Pills at all yet?   If you want to mention the
names (from the bottle), there are lots of people around with lots of
experience, and they can tell you if there are any foods or things to avoid
with a particular one.

  (The sensation with vision you describe at bottom I had a few times, even
while taking some pills, but it cleared in 24-36 hours.  I noticed a focus
effect, then saw that one of my Pupils (the black part of the eye) was
larger than the other.  :-<  As soon as that passed, the focus returned o.k.
But it was irritating since it affected balance (walking) and reading while
it happened. )     G./

> Thanks for the welcome. The part that worries me is that now  I am afraid
> they are going to find some excuse to fire me. Like so many others in this
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>> of work is worrying you?
>> Barb
PIPER - 23 Feb 2005 02:13 GMT
I am already on trileptal 600mg 2xs a day.So far they have been very
understanding, just fear of what COULD happen.I will have to look up and see
if there is a local chapter here in town.No, I am not driving any equipment
so I am no problem there.thanks G.

piper
Kev - 23 Feb 2005 05:24 GMT
>      *Some of us can be sensitive to Flashing lights, or Strobes,
>      others to
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> seizures that there were particular things (beyond the internal damage
> I had had 10 years before),  that I was more sensitive to than not.

Do you use a CRT at work (not an LCD) alot? Bad ones, especially with low
refresh rates, are notorious for causing problems in some people.
PIPER - 23 Feb 2005 08:47 GMT
No, I dont but I do work in the electronics dept with alot of lovely tvs
always showing commercials and music videos.

thanks  kev (my dh's name is kevin ).

> >      *Some of us can be sensitive to Flashing lights, or Strobes,
> >      others to
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> Do you use a CRT at work (not an LCD) alot? Bad ones, especially with low
> refresh rates, are notorious for causing problems in some people.
Kev - 24 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT
"PIPER" <lewis@mindspring.com> wrote in news:sqXSd.3596$MY6.744
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> No, I dont but I do work in the electronics dept with alot of lovely tvs
> always showing commercials and music videos.
>
> thanks  kev (my dh's name is kevin ).

dh?

commercials and music videos are horrible, as are things like awards shows
with all the flashy lights... and worst of all the strobing ones. When
those are on I have to look at something else.

and your welcome :o)
PIPER - 24 Feb 2005 19:03 GMT
DH= dear husband, or damn husband , depending on the day.
Kev - 24 Feb 2005 22:31 GMT
"PIPER" <lewis@mindspring.com> wrote in news:VxpTd.4693$MY6.381
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> DH= dear husband, or damn husband , depending on the day.

ok... thought maybe it had to do with that silly DH rule in baseball
CyberCafe - 23 Feb 2005 00:32 GMT
> Thanks for the welcome. The part that worries me is that now  I am afraid
> they are going to find some excuse to fire me. Like so many others in this
> country I work because I NEED to.I have decided not to worry though, what
> will be will be.

It sounds like a legitimate concern to me.  I don't think the laws that
are supposed to protect us do a very good job.  I've seen people
unfairly let go, but I've also seen a few rare people who are so valued
that no one in their right mind would let them go.

It sounds like you have ambition, a desire to achieve, and I suspect a
halfway decent positive attitude, which are pluses.

Of course, we don't know how a particular individual thinks (talking
about a manager or boss), so it's probably a good idea, although kind of
negative, to always be prepared to be let go.  In other words, get
references from managers or the folks who matter at your workplace now
instead of waiting until you're walking out the door.  Also obtain and
save your job description.  Networking with others is really important
particularly since most jobs are never publicly advertised.  Review and
update your resume periodically.  Once you have some of these tasks
semi-ready for the next round of job hunting, it makes it easier, less
stressful, and can make it faster for you to be able to respond to new
opportunities.

Talk to you later.

Barb

> piper
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>>Barb
PIPER - 23 Feb 2005 02:16 GMT
Barb,

Thank you for the compliments.I think I will start a journal of events at
work noting dates, times and co-workers involved incase something comes up.

Piper
Mary Fisher - 23 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT
> Barb,
>
> Thank you for the compliments.I think I will start a journal of events at
> work noting dates, times and co-workers involved incase something comes
> up.

That's a very good idea for all of us. I keep such a log.

Mary

> Piper
George Hof - 20 Feb 2005 11:57 GMT
Piper, I have just found this group, and I have epilepsy too. But you
should be so proud of yourself that you are working and able to reconize
when your having difficulties. From your post one can ascertain that you
are an intelligent, well spoken woman. Just be cool, seizures happen and
you can only make the best of your own situation. I am 50 and have had
seizures since I was hit by a car at age 9.

Aikenraven
                     
Mary Fisher - 20 Feb 2005 12:26 GMT
> Piper ... From your post one can ascertain that you
> are an intelligent, well spoken woman.

I've been looking for clues about whether 'Piper' is male or female. I
suspected female but wasn't sure ... have I missed something?

Mary

> Aikenraven
justme - 21 Feb 2005 23:25 GMT
>>Piper ... From your post one can ascertain that you
>>are an intelligent, well spoken woman.
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>>Aikenraven

And I can't spell "oxyemoryon" darn it :)  either

owlvee
PIPER - 23 Feb 2005 02:06 GMT
oh I am sorry, yes I am female aged 30 mother and wife.

> > Piper ... From your post one can ascertain that you
> > are an intelligent, well spoken woman.
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> >
> > Aikenraven
G.Ross - 23 Feb 2005 15:43 GMT
  Awww,  ya told her!   We usually try to keep her occupied for 4-8 days.
It distracts her from her Knitting and working on her MotorBike...  Like
"Over the hill I heard a Piper call, but couldn't tell who it was at
all"....   "When the baking is all done, you'll wish you knew a Pied
Piper"...    etc., without revealing any clues about gender issues,  then
she'd Still not know the answer she sought...   :->   G./

> oh I am sorry, yes I am female aged 30 mother and wife.
>>
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>> > Aikenraven
Mary Fisher - 23 Feb 2005 17:15 GMT
>   Awww,  ya told her!   We usually try to keep her occupied for 4-8 days.
> It distracts her from her Knitting and working on her MotorBike...  Like
> "Over the hill I heard a Piper call, but couldn't tell who it was at
> all"....   "When the baking is all done, you'll wish you knew a Pied
> Piper"...    etc., without revealing any clues about gender issues,  then
> she'd Still not know the answer she sought...   :->   G./

S/he could be lying of course ... some of us do.

It doesn't take much to keep me occupied for 4-8 days though even though I
don't knit and Spouse does the motor bike (scooter).

I wonder if the child is called Tom ... he was the piper's son you'll
remember. Just in case you don't, and to keep me out of mischief:

Tom, he was a piper's son,
He learnt to play when he was young,
And all the tune that he could play,
Was, "Over the hills and far away.
Over the hills and a long way off,
The wind it blew my top-knot off!"

Then there's Tom, Tom the piper's son,
Stole a pig and away he run;
The pig was eat and Tom was beat
And Tom ran crying down the street.

From Mother Goose Tales:
There was not a worse vagabond in Shrewsbury than old Barney the piper. He
never did any work except to play the pipes, and he played so badly that few
pennies ever found their way into his pouch. It was whispered around that
old Barney was not very honest, but he was so sly and cautious that no one
had ever caught him in the act of stealing, although a good many things had
been missed after they had fallen into the old man's way.

Barney had one son, named Tom; and they lived all alone in a little hut away
at the end of the village street, for Tom's mother had died when he was a
baby. You may not suppose that Tom was a very good boy, since he had such a
queer father; but neither was he very bad, and the worst fault he had was in
obeying his father's wishes when Barney wanted him to steal a chicken for
their supper or a pot of potatoes for their breakfast. Tom did not like to
steal, but he had no one to teach him to be honest, and so, under his
father's guidance, he fell into bad ways.

One morning:

Tom, Tom, the piper's son,
Was hungry when the day begun;
He wanted a bun and asked for one,
But soon found out that there were none.

"What shall we do?" he asked his father. "Go hungry," replied Barney,
"unless you want to take my pipes and play in the village. Perhaps they will
give you a penny."

"No," answered Tom, shaking his head; "no one will give me a penny for
playing; but Farmer Bowser might give me a penny to stop playing, if I went
to his house. He did last week, you know."

"You 'd better try it," said his father; "it 's very uncomfortable to be
hungry."

So Tom took his father's pipes and walked over the hill to Farmer Bowser's
house; for you must know that
Tom, Tom, the piper's son, Learned to play when he was young; But the only
tune that he could play Was "Over the hills and far away." And he played
this one tune as badly as his father himself played, so that the people were
annoyed when they heard him, and often begged him to stop.

When he came to Farmer Bowser's house, Tom started up the pipes and began to
play with all his might.
The farmer was in his woodshed, sawing wood, so he did not hear the pipes;
and the farmer's wife was deaf, and could not hear them. But a little pig
that had strayed around in front of the house heard the noise, and ran away
in great fear to the pigsty.

Then, as Tom saw the playing did no good, he thought he would sing also, and
therefore he began bawling, at the top of his voice,

"Over the hills, not a great ways off, The woodcock died with the
whooping-cough!"

The farmer had stopped sawing to rest, just then; and when he heard the
singing he rushed out of the shed, and chased Tom away with a big stick. The
boy went back to his father, and said, sorrowfully, for he was more hungry
than before, "The farmer gave me nothing but a scolding; but there was a
very nice pig running around the yard." "How big was it?" asked Barney. "Oh,
just about big enough to make a nice dinner for you and me." The piper
slowly shook his head; "'Tis long since I on pig have fed, And though I feel
it 's wrong to steal, Roast pig is very nice," he said.
Tom knew very well what he meant by that, so he laid down the pipes, and
went back to the farmer's house.
When he came near he heard the farmer again sawing wood in the woodshed, and
so he went softly up to the pig-sty and reached over and grabbed the little
pig by the ears. The pig squealed, of course, but the farmer was making so
much noise himself that he did not hear it, and in a minute Tom had the pig
tucked under his arm and was running back home with it.

The piper was very glad to see the pig, and said to Tom, "You are a good
son, and the pig is very nice and fat. We shall have a dinner fit for a
king." It was not long before the piper had the pig killed and cut into
pieces and boiling in the pot. Only the tail was left out, for Tom wanted to
make a whistle of it, and as there was plenty to eat besides the tail his
father let him have it. The piper and his son had a fine dinner that day,
and so great was their hunger that the little pig was all eaten up at one
meal! Then Barney lay down to sleep, and Tom sat on a bench outside the door
and began to make a whistle out of the pig's tail with his pocket-knife.

Now Farmer Bowser, when he had finished sawing the wood, found it was time
to feed the pig, so he took a pail of meal and went to the pigsty. But when
he came to the sty there was no pig to be seen, and he searched all round
the place for a good hour without finding it. "Piggy, piggy, piggy!" he
called, but no piggy came, and then he knew his pig had been stolen. He was
very angry, indeed, for the pig was a great pet, and he had wanted to keep
it till it grew very big. So he put on his coat and buckled a strap around
his waist, and went down to the village to see if he could find out who had
stolen his pig. Up and down the street he went, and in and out the lanes,
but no traces of the pig could he find anywhere. And that was no great
wonder, for the pig was eaten by that time and its bones picked clean.

Finally the farmer came to the end of the street where the piper lived in
his little hut, and there he saw Tom sitting on a bench and blowing on a
whistle made from a pig's tail. "Where did you get that tail?" asked the
farmer. "I found it," said naughty Tom, beginning to be frightened. "Let me
see it," demanded the farmer; and when he had looked at it carefully he
cried out, "This tail belonged to my little pig, for I know very well the
curl at the end of it! Tell me, you rascal, where is the pig?" Then Tom fell
in a tremble, for he knew his wickedness was discovered. "The pig is eat,
your honor," he answered.

The farmer said never a word, but his face grew black with anger, and,
unbuckling the strap that was about his waist, he waved it around his head,
and whack! came the strap over Tom's back. "Ow, ow!" cried the boy, and
started to run down the street. Whack! whack! fell the strap over his
shoulder, for the farmer followed at his heels half-way down the street, nor
did he spare the strap until he had give Tom a good beating.

And Tom was so scared that he never stopped running until he came to the end
of the village, and he bawled lustily the whole way and cried out at every
step as if the farmer was still a his back. It was dark before he came back
to his home, and his father was still asleep; so Tom crept into the hut and
went to bed. But he had received a good lesson and never after that could
the old piper induce him to steal.

When Tom showed by his actions his intention of being honest he soon got a
job of work to do, and before long he was able to earn a living more easily,
and a great deal more honestly, than when he stole the pig to get a dinner
and suffered a severe beating as a punishment.

Tom, Tom, the piper's son
Now with stealing pigs was done,
He 'd work all day instead of play,
And dined on tart and currant bun.

The End.

Hamelin's hero has basis in fact but there weren't any rats ...

Well, all that kept me out of mischief for ten minutes. What next?

Mary
G.Ross - 22 Feb 2005 17:24 GMT
> Piper, I have just found this group, and I have epilepsy too. But you
> should be so proud of yourself that you are working and able to reconize
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Aikenraven

"She's" using someone's computer named 'lewis' so I was guessing a Pseudonym
like the "Pied Piper"?  But he might have let 'her' use his weblink to chat
with us.
  It only matters since some of the pills or therapies might work for one
gender better than another in some cases.    /G.
PIPER - 23 Feb 2005 02:08 GMT
Sorry, lewis was a maiden family name, but i am using my own name of piper.

> > Piper, I have just found this group, and I have epilepsy too. But you
> > should be so proud of yourself that you are working and able to reconize
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>    It only matters since some of the pills or therapies might work for one
> gender better than another in some cases.    /G.
G.Ross - 23 Feb 2005 15:53 GMT
  That's OK, I shouldn't have helped her when I could have teased her (see
post that just went up above)....  While I might open someone's 'headers'
just to see which Timezone they're on (if I plan to reply late at night
Eastern Time),  I usually only do that to see if they might log on while I'm
still asleep.
   From time to time (like last weekend) we'll get some 'mass mailers'
sending junk to the group, and the headers are of use to file with their
provider.
   Since you're not one of those,  I could have shortened the earlier note,
and just posted e.g. the Timezone, without getting into more detail.  As I
noted (below) some of the Anti Ep Pills might work differently for Women or
Girls than Men and Boys, so a few of them (pills) might react differently
than a general reply might suggest.

   We do frequently get some people either posting on Behalf of someone
else, or using another computer, so they'd only see Replies to *Group here
and not a Direct reply off the group, as I used to do on an older computer,
if the reply would repeat something that had been discussed recently here...
G./

> Sorry, lewis was a maiden family name, but i am using my own name of
> piper.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> one
>> gender better than another in some cases.    /G.
Mary Fisher - 23 Feb 2005 17:16 GMT
>   That's OK, I shouldn't have helped her when I could have teased her (see
> post that just went up above)....  While I might open someone's 'headers'
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sending junk to the group, and the headers are of use to file with their
> provider.

That's not fair! I don't remember getting them <sulk>

Mary
G.Ross - 23 Feb 2005 18:12 GMT
>>   That's OK, I shouldn't have helped her when I could have teased her
>> (see post that just went up above)....  While I might open someone's
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That's not fair! I don't remember getting them <sulk>
> Mary
You replied to groups shown below on day after? to all groups in these
headers, before I decided to post an 'advisory' the poster had set message
to *groups listed here.  (I don't know how to cut and paste 2 messages
together, so just have the headers of the phisher here, about 353PM my time,
853PM UK on Thursday, 17th.  I sort messages on the group by Subject Title,
so one other note followed his, then your's, then mine show on my reader. I
put **s under his provider abuse desk. )  -->

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Mary Fisher - 23 Feb 2005 20:21 GMT
>>>   That's OK, I shouldn't have helped her when I could have teased her
>>> (see post that just went up above)....  While I might open someone's
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> headers, before I decided to post an 'advisory' the poster had set message
> to *groups listed here.

Oh that one, right.

By 'mass mailings' you mean crossposted to several ngs then. And I thought
you meant that the sender had sent lots and lots to us!

Mary
G.Ross - 24 Feb 2005 23:49 GMT
>>>>   That's OK, I shouldn't have helped her when I could have teased her
>>>> (see post that just went up above)....  While I might open someone's
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> you meant that the sender had sent lots and lots to us!
> Mary
O.K.  Technically, yes.   But you don't often see someone randomly hit 5
newsgroups through the alphabet then stop ?  So without risking getting
40,000 hits, I didn't go to 'arin whois'  to see which groups his machine
subscribed onto.
 Most of the Droids use a temporary address then discard it, or (like on a
uk astronomy group currently), change their 'from' ID. twice a day in hopes
that the people he's being abusive with won't suspect that they suddenly
have 12 'yobs' show up for the first time all year. (That one is complaining
about the way astronomy is taught in schools and spells at about a grade 4
level-- "yuo'er all worng".)  /
Mary Fisher - 25 Feb 2005 11:40 GMT
>> By 'mass mailings' you mean crossposted to several ngs then. And I
>> thought you meant that the sender had sent lots and lots to us!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 40,000 hits, I didn't go to 'arin whois'  to see which groups his machine
> subscribed onto.

Gaross, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about :-)

But I'm sure you do!

>  Most of the Droids use a temporary address then discard it, or (like on a
> uk astronomy group currently), change their 'from' ID. twice a day

Yes, my poor husband keeps blocking a poster from his model aircraft ng
because he's so offensive but he pops up again shortly afterwards. What
Spouse can't understand is that his name and address seem to be the same.

> (That one is complaining about the way astronomy is taught in schools and
> spells at about a grade 4 level-- "yuo'er all worng".)  /

That's, sadly very common.

I believe that in English speaking schools all lessons should be English
lessons as well as the prime subject. Unfortunately, in UK at least,
spelling and grammar aren't high on the list of qualifications for teaching
posts.

What I can't understand is why posters don't use spell checkers. If a
thing's worth saying it's worth saying well.

Mary
Malcolm Thomas - 27 Feb 2005 10:17 GMT
>What I can't understand is why posters don't use spell checkers. If a
>thing's worth saying it's worth saying well.
>
>Mary

Eye think your write, and sew dose my spell chequer.

Signature

Malcolm      

Mary Fisher - 27 Feb 2005 10:45 GMT
>>What I can't understand is why posters don't use spell checkers. If a
>>thing's worth saying it's worth saying well.
>>
>>Mary
>
> Eye think your write, and sew dose my spell chequer.

Trouble is, to type that you had to think very hard and you know your stuff
:-)

Most people don't. The odd typo can slip through but I doubt that anyone
would have done what you did accidentally!

Mary
twodman8182@duskmail.com - 22 Mar 2005 16:25 GMT
gaross@rogers.com wrote:
> O.K.  Technically, yes.   But you don't often see someone randomly hit 5
> newsgroups through the alphabet then stop ?  So without risking getting
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> about the way astronomy is taught in schools and spells at about a grade 4
> level-- "yuo'er all worng".)  /

Great

twodman8182@duskmail.com
Mary Fisher - 22 Mar 2005 16:41 GMT
> gaross@rogers.com wrote:
>> O.K.  Technically, yes.   But you don't often see someone randomly hit 5
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Great

?

I didn't write any of the above ...

Mary
G.Ross - 22 Mar 2005 18:52 GMT
>> gaross wrote:
>>> O.K.  Technically, yes.   But you don't often see someone randomly hit 5
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I didn't write any of the above ...
> Mary

I think they were trying to do a reply to a message thread that has expired
(at least where I am).  Part of text looks like a post I did ?? days ago,
about someone doing a Crosspost to 3-4 newsgroups not related to here.  OR
they accidentally clicked to Reply to Group and didn't notice the precursor
poster had done the Crossposting.
  I think mine was replying to your query about what xxx had to do with
Epilepsy, when the message content was unrelated? to our discussions.  At
Triple >s that was part of my text (edited out of context with the original
thread), and your reply (to group/me) left *my old note part, but since they
removed a large (verbose?) chunk of mine that you replied to, it gets the
appearance that you might have written it.  *I* knew (and most others would)
that you didn't write the stuff about why the uk astronomy group sometimes
got muddied by someone doing a 5-group unrelated crosspost.G./ >
Mary Fisher - 22 Mar 2005 21:25 GMT
>> ?
>> I didn't write any of the above ...
>> Mary
>>>
> I think they were trying to do a reply to a message thread that has
> expired (at least where I am).

Oh ...

>  Part of text looks like a post I did ?? days ago, about someone doing a
> Crosspost to 3-4 newsgroups not related to here

Oh ...

> OR they accidentally clicked to Reply to Group and didn't notice the
> precursor poster had done the Crossposting.

Oh ...

> I think mine was replying to your query about what xxx had to do with
> Epilepsy, when the message content was unrelated? to our discussions.  At
> Triple >s that was part of my text (edited out of context with the
> original thread), and your reply (to group/me) left *my old note part, but
> since they removed a large (verbose?) chunk of mine that you replied to,
> it gets the appearance that you might have written it.

erm - I'm even more confused :-)

But please don't stop, I like it!

> *I* knew (and most others would) that you didn't write the stuff about why
> the uk astronomy group sometimes got muddied by someone doing a 5-group
> unrelated crosspost.G./ >

Wwwwwaaaaaaaggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh ..........

Thanks for the explanation ... I think ... :-)

Mary
G.Ross - 23 Mar 2005 05:22 GMT
"Mary Fisher" <> wrote in message ...

> "G.Ross" <> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Thanks for the explanation ... I think ... :-)
> Mary

 It occurred to me that might look a little Greek (mini-zorba) -->  I sort
my Group Messages on my screen by Subject Title. So replies on the group,
even if they come in 2-3 days later, all get clustered under the same
*Subject ascending.  As older messages expire (after about 4 days on my
server), I can still see a cascade of the messages, but not necessarly who
started the originating post.
  If you're not using Windows/Outlook Express, the comments about older
messages having their message lines prefixed by > or >> or >>> as they get
Older, might not make sense to you. The multiple indent things (>), if your
screen shows them, can be handy to track whether the message part is an
original (new) post (has none of those), a 'parent' or 'grandparent' (>>)
they're replying to.   That was how, on Older note you commented on, I could
see that your post had (I think) > on them, but part you commented about not
'saying that'  had >> and was part of an older note *I had done.
  Because of the way they highlighted /deleted some of the text, they also
took out the item where the software said 'gaross' had posted that.  I guess
that's why some purists prefer to have a reply all together at end of a
post.  If it's a long post, I prefer to put in some **s where I insert
something that is about a specific comment or sentence, since if I scroll to
the end of a Long post, by then I'd forget what I was going to insert or
would have trouble explaining what my comment referred to.
  Maybe when Windows Xp-27 comes out, they'll support 'footnotes' then I
can just use numbers, and keep the cyber geeks happy too...  G./
CyberCafe - 25 Feb 2005 15:26 GMT
> Oh guys.... I am so embarrassed.I had a seizure at work last night
> (electronics in walmart).I had my first seizure 2 yrs ago .I really thought
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> piper hall

After reading that you plan on keeping a log, you might want to include
environmental conditions such as sound and visual things (including your
exposure to computers, TV's, fluorescent lighting, environments where
there's a lot of pattern or bright colors, etc.).  Even though
photosensitivity is rare, it is a possibility.

Also include your monthly cycles because hormone fluctuations play a
role in provoking seizures for a lot of women.

Might as well keep track of your health too because for some people
illness can lower the seizure threshhold.

A person could probably add all sorts of things to a log, journal, or
calendar.  The purpose of this is to help you learn about yourself, your
seizure patterns, and possibly learn what things, if any, need to be
avoided/controlled to keep you from having seizures.

Barb

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