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Epilepsy & Borderline personality disorder?

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cmposa - 31 Jan 2005 04:34 GMT
Hi, anybody out there got both of these labels and has active grand mal
seizures? Desperately trying to make contact with others to compare
notes.
Cheers, cmposa
G.Ross - 01 Feb 2005 01:02 GMT
> Hi, anybody out there got both of these labels and has active grand mal
> seizures? Desperately trying to make contact with others to compare
> notes.
> Cheers, cmposa

 Apparently not so far.  I noticed you already used Google after I looked
up the link for you.  Did you try a search on there? (google-
http://www.google.com or your country code in place of com, or
http://news.google.com/Newslinks .
  I think the latter one searches News Stories on e.g. Newspapers or
Radio/TV sites for stories specific to the *title with the word you search
on.  The first one is probably more use. ).
  If that's the 'correct medical name' (Borderline personality disorder)
you type in for it to search for messages or news articles that contain Both
(no spaces) 'seizures&personalitydisorder'  the click Go or Search? (try
that first, if it brings up 20,000 hits, refine to 'grand mal seizures &
borderline personality disorder' ).

  The older 'google' I used on XP1, it did better without the spaces.  That
might be fixed now so it may not matter.   The & is used in Google to
combine a search on Both (more than one) Phrase in a News Article or
posting.   I don't know if it matters if you leave a space each side of &
like I did there.  If you had e.g. 5 search topics where you wanted all *5
present, you set the search all together with 4 &s and it'll only bring
articles that meet all search contents.   I expect you can use Or in the
search but I've never done that, then either 'hit' it finds would bring the
article and Google tries to sort them from Most Likely what (it thinks) you
want, to Least likely.  So often if you're close, the first 6-8 articles are
most useful and recently published.

   I've only used that a few times in last year or two.  The actual words
have to be present in the Article or Posting (on a newsgroup like this),
with correct spelling or it may not find anything of help to you.
   Note *If you pick something like 'seizures', the first thing it will
come back with is "There are 67,835 articles with that word in it, would you
like to read the first 30? or refine your search?"
   Let us know how you make out (unless others have some ideas).   Some
people only read the group 2-3x a week, so if that doesn't work there may
still be replies here from Others who have specific links or info. about
Grand Mal and other conditions.   In *some cases, certain seizure types
might have feelings or behaviours while the seizures are *in progress* but
that often don't present when a seizure isn't happening?
   Another place you might find links or contacts if there are any other
active newsgroups dealing with epilepsy *might be via the Ep. Foundation of
America site.  http://efa.org   It used to have a directory of other help
sites depending on country of origin, but I haven't read through it for a
while, and it might have a search option like above too.   G./
Chris - 22 Feb 2005 23:03 GMT
I worked in the mental health field for almost ten years and can't
remember any of my boarderline's have sz's. that's not to say they had
them but didn't take meds for it.

I would like to see anything on it that supports it.

thanks
Chris
"rewired"
G.Ross - 23 Feb 2005 01:05 GMT
>I worked in the mental health field for almost ten years and can't
> remember any of my boarderline's have sz's. that's not to say they had
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Chris
> "rewired"

 Several of the stronger seizure types (Grand Mal, Complex Partial), before
they're controlled can often? end in loss of consciousness.   I think most
of the seizure types except Petit Mal (and Absence that's part of it?) can
involve **loss of awareness of surroundings or potential risk to oneself.
  I don't know which areas of the Brain might be involved with what they
call Borderline Personality Disorder.  Is that something where they
identified a particular area as being the Prime source of that condition?
  I found (on my own) that the Temporal Lobes (where most CP Seizures
start) used to be called 'The Seat of the Soul' since they're where we store
'who we are in'.   So if someone was losing awareness of who they were, or
behaved as though they weren't aware of themselves ? or potential danger to
themselves, that the T.Lobes could be one area affected during an incident.
However some of the areas that might trigger a Grand Mal might also produce
some of the symptoms that look like Borderline etc.

   I'd expect *now, though that there might be a difference in either the
EEG (Electro Encephalogram) or MRI (Magnetic Resonance Image) of where the
Damage was, between Borderline Personality etc. or some of the seizure
types?   I'm assuming (without knowing) that BPD has a Physical cause
(damage or erratic electrical firing) like most of the Epilepsy types might
have.  That may not be correct.

  Under Julie's Idaho website (www at end of one of her posts), there's a
First Aid for Seizures chart which gives an excellent description of what
the 4 main seizure types 'look like' from the outside, as well as what to do
to help with each type.  There might be some symptoms described on that
Chart that you can compare to any symptoms you're aware of?
  Before my C.P. seizures were controlled, if I got an Aura (also Simple
Partial if it happens alone?),  if I didn't get somewhere cool to sit down,
or something cool to drink to help it pass, I could move into what I called
'The Twilight Zone' where I was no longer aware of what happened until I
woke up on the floor, sometimes with a crowd around, or in a stretcher.  (I
had to be told what happened, since I didn't remember anything from soon
after above Aura started.)
   The first few I had in 1993, I woke up in hospital and had been there
2-3 *days.
At that time, I started on some pills-> Dilantin first that gave really
erratic control the first 18 months,  later Tegretol Controlled Release
(1993 to now, slowly increasing with each seizure) that got to one seizure
each ~6 weeks, to reduced dose of Teg.CR and Frisium (Clobazam) we added
slowly, over about a year, as part of the Tegretol was removed, to where
last 2 szrs. I had were Dec.97 and June '98.

  With respect to your question at top, if there's nothing on the First Aid
Chart mentioned that looks like symptoms you had? another route might be to
compare any medications you use, versus what is used for Seizures.  The Ep.
Foundation of America http://efa.org  has a Medications Glossary- once you
get to the Medications part, you type the medication name then click on GO
or SEARCH.   If none of your pills turn up there, I'd guess there isn't much
relationship between the two conditions.
  Note though on paragraph above, *some medications can be used for more
than one thing.   I had heard that Tegretol is used sometimes with people
who have had Strokes or Heart Attacks, even if they don't have seizures.
/G.
Chris aka Rewired - 23 Feb 2005 23:46 GMT
Boarderline personality disorder is not something like epilepsy, but is
a learned behavior, which is why it is hard to do anything about.
Unless the person wants to do it, but so many of "boarderlines" don't
think they are doing anything wrong.

some of the scariest seizures i had were in the middle of someplace
that there were no people around. I felt safer knowing that people were
in the area, not in the same room but at least close by.

Chris

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