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Complex Partial Seizure Disorder in 6 year old

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LewishamGirl - 07 Feb 2005 17:20 GMT
My son, aged 6, has just been diagnosed with Complex Partial Seizure
Disorder (through an EEG). He has been having learning problems at
school, and also had speech and language problems for many years - the
first sign that something was wrong.  The diagnosis hit us for six and
came out of the blue - we hadn't really seen any seizures as such, but
on reflection - a couple of staring episodes, but nothing to really
raise any red flags.

We are very unsure as to what these seizures involve - we understand
some staring, but can children still talk through them? Can they still
be doing an activity?  I guess as parents we are feeling guilty that we
aren't so aware of them. He has been put on Tegretol to control the
seizures, and hopefully is now at therapeutic level.

Are there any other parents out there with children with this disorder
who can offer us some advice?  We have so many questions and concerns.
Does anybody have experience with their child on Tegretol? Has it
worked?  How long did it take for it to work when it did? Is your child
in any special schooling or in a normal classroom setting?

Thank you for any help and advice you can give.
Julie - 07 Feb 2005 19:15 GMT
Welcome to our group.  I do not have a child with epilepsy, I am the one in
our family with the seizure disorder.  I don't think I had it when I was
six, it started probably around 12 or 13 for me and I thought I was just
fainting.  I wasn't diagnosed until I was 18, so your child is doing well
to have parents like you catch this now.  Complex Partial Seizures can
affect your child's learning, so it is good to be aware of the problem.
Educate your teachers and your child's friends so they can all be
supportive.

Personally I don't have complex partial seizures, so I will let someone
else talk on that subject.  You can let your six year old know that there
are alot of people who have had seizure disorders.

I have a book in front of me that is excellent for young children.
My Friend Emily, by Susanne M. Swanson, Writers Press Service, Boise,
Idaho, 1994. (Ages 5-9). Emily, a self-confident child who enjoys life,
shows that kids with epilepsy are just like other kids.

Take care,
Julie Walton, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org

> My son, aged 6, has just been diagnosed with Complex Partial Seizure
> Disorder (through an EEG). He has been having learning problems at
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> Thank you for any help and advice you can give.
LewishamGirl - 08 Feb 2005 14:11 GMT
Thank you so much Julie for your advice - that book sounds good and I
will order that for my son and us. Yes I have heard that many people
are not diagnosed with something like this until they are teenagers -
it goes unmissed for many years.  We are just at that place where we
are trying so hard to help him, but feel we are hitting our heads
against a brick wall.

> Welcome to our group.  I do not have a child with epilepsy, I am the one in
> our family with the seizure disorder.  I don't think I had it when I was
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> > Thank you for any help and advice you can give.
Julie - 09 Feb 2005 00:53 GMT
I know if you lived in Idaho you could get a free copy from the Epilepsy
Foundation of Idaho.  But if you want to order the book, the phone number
for Writer's Press Service is on the back of the book.  1-800-574-1715.
That says to take orders by Visa/Mastercard.  For further information and
other orders it says to call (208)327-0566 or write Writer's Press Service
5278 Chinden Blvd.  Boise, Idaho 83714.    According to the back of the
book the cost for My Friend Emily is $5.99 with a laminated softcover.

I feel your pain.  I think that it must be hardest for parents with
children diagnosed with epilepsy.  What I mean to say is it is more
difficult for you to handle than it is for me to handle having the
seizures.  The stress must be very difficult.

I've told this story before but I think you need to hear this
encouragement.  I was working on a temporary job assignment when the UPS
man came in and happened to see someone he knew.  So he started to tell him
about his latest news that his son was diagnosed with epilepsy.  After they
finished talking I commented to him that I overheard about the epilepsy and
told him that I have epilepsy.  We discussed my involvement as a volunteer
for the Epilepsy Foundation and how his son was doing.  Every time I went
back to the attorneys office to work at their front desk and saw the UPS
guy I would ask how his son was doing.  He is doing very well.  It took
several months before they got the seizures under control, but he had a
very good attitude about it all.

Some day you will be able to be an encouragement to someone else who has
just been diagnosed and you will be able to share your experience, and YES
you will have learned to cope.

Best wishes to you and your family,
Julie Walton, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org

> Thank you so much Julie for your advice - that book sounds good and I
> will order that for my son and us. Yes I have heard that many people
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> > > Thank you for any help and advice you can give.
LewishamGirl - 09 Feb 2005 13:56 GMT
Your reply is really reassuring - thank you so much. Thank you also for
all the volunteer work you are doing for others.

> I know if you lived in Idaho you could get a free copy from the Epilepsy
> Foundation of Idaho.  But if you want to order the book, the phone number
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> > > > Thank you for any help and advice you can give.
Sofia - 20 Feb 2005 04:04 GMT
> Personally I don't have complex partial seizures, so I will let someone
> else talk on that subject.  You can let your six year old know that there
> are alot of people who have had seizure disorders.

Hello LewishamGirl, I just wanted to say that my seizures, like Julie's,
didn't begin when I was six years old They began when I was nine, and
they were simple absences and more complex partials until I had a tonic
clonic in the school playground. My parents had to be told I'd had a
seizure, but had no idea about my epilepsy before then. I just wanted to
say how much I wish I had parents like you at the age of nine, who
actually take a little notice and pay attention to what their children are
doing.

I used to do strange, absurd and extremely stupid things, both inside
the classroom, and out. It was always just dismissed as some kind of a
behavioural problem, which I suppose your six year old is probably getting
a lot of even today, when the general public should be much more educated
in the condition as a whole than they used to be.

Doctors say that children can always grow out of their seizures before
they're 25 years of age, therefore looking on the bright side of things,
we'll all keep our fingers crossed for your 6 year old as he still has a
chance. Until then keep up the good work in just taking as much care for
him as any mother can.

Take care

Sofie
LewishamGirl - 01 Mar 2005 16:18 GMT
Hi Sofie:

Thank you so much for your posting. Yes it does sound like the same
kind of issues - he does do strange things sometimes, that we always
put down to behavior. The seizures sound very similar also. Did you
eventually grow out of these seizures or are they still with you?  I
also understand that any type of seizures can develop into much larger
ones - such as your case with the Tonic Clonic seizure.  Did you have
any learning problems at school because of the seizures? and were you
aware of having them?
Sofia - 03 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT
> Thank you so much for your posting. Yes it does sound like the same
> kind of issues - he does do strange things sometimes, that we always
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> any learning problems at school because of the seizures? and were you
> aware of having them?

Hello again LewishamGirl, in answer to your questions, I'll have to tell
you that if your 6 year old gets the same symptoms as myself, then you may
just have to prepare yourself for the worst. His education may be
interrupted not just by having so many seizures that he cannot be present
during the lessons, but also because of other symptoms such as being
so dosed up with anti-epileptic drugs, that he can't concentrate on
the subject at hand, having absences during very vital points in lessons
and therefore missing most of whats being said, or even getting a mild
bout of memory loss every now and again.

As for your other question, I am 39 now, and personally didn't grow out of
all my different types of epileptic seizures, but we are all unique
individuals, and therefore it doesn't mean that your son will not grow
out of his , as he still has a chance. I am very lucky to have an
understanding husband and carer who knows that if I spend hours cooking up
a meal, and then throw it in the dustbin straight afterwards, he'll simply
say "why are you throwing the dinner away Sofie", and make a Pot Noodle
or something like a that.    

Sofie
George Hof - 20 Feb 2005 12:04 GMT
I have partial Compex seizures, as for my self, when a seizure occurs I
stare but usually can continue most activities ( I don't drive ). But
inside I feel completely drained of energy. Speaking again only of
myself, I feel anger ( why is this happenng to me ) I feel fear ( can
other people tell that I am different ) I feel shame because I try so
hard to be normal but can never attain a level of mediocrity in my
life...

Aikenraven
                     
G.Ross - 20 Feb 2005 19:34 GMT
>I have partial Compex seizures, as for my self, when a seizure occurs I
> stare but usually can continue most activities ( I don't drive ). But
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> life...
> Aikenraven

It might be under the http://efa.org (Ep. Foundation of America) where they
list famous people through history who had, or from symptoms were thought to
have had, Epilepsy.  Since the idea of 'what's normal'  can vary greatly,
many of their Artworks, Architecture, or Musical Compositions might never
have been created if they only hoped to be 'normal'  in their particular
era.
   That's not intending to short-change your feelings (currently?) about
being Behind what others might view as Mediocre.   Most (all?) of us here,
have been there before, or might still slip back there, from time to time.
Where we can, we just may try not to stay there for very long, if we can
find ways to pull ourselves out of that 'pit' and find positive things we
might be able to do that others cannot.

  The earliest Complex Partial seizures I had, I'd get the swirling Aura
feeling and a sour taste or aroma that wasn't there, and realized I had 3-5
minutes to find something cool to drink, or somewhere safe and cool to 'lie
down' as I'd lose awareness of where I was or what I'd do once the full
seizure had generalized and taken hold.  Those ones,  before they became
fully controlled, I'd come out of with the negative feelings you
described -- why me? what did *I do wrong to deserve this? etc.
 I *did find that the people I associated with, who mattered, didn't really
hold my seizures or how I behaved while 'away' against me.   Rather I had to
depend on them to tell Me what I had done or said before the passing out
part, so I could tell me Dr. about it and (later) find the symptoms online
that matched what I thought were 'new'.   They were new to *me, but not to
the charts describing behaviours on the first aid charts for a particular
seizure type.
  Many of them, aside from being concerned what to do while mine were
happening, seemed interested when I was 'back'  to know how my seizures had
started, what they're 'like'  from the Inside, and how I saw the outside
world while away.
  I think those parts were related to most of our general interest in 'Who
we are' and 'How our Minds work', since those "stepping stones" we take for
granted, when we're 'normal', might appear to become Unstable when someone
might be having a Seizure, a Stroke or other Health attack..  Sometimes it's
when we're more unsteady, that we might learn more than when we are able to
spend all our time 'mediocre'?  Ideas? G./
LewishamGirl - 01 Mar 2005 16:20 GMT
Thank you George - that is a really good indication of how my son might
be feeling - we really want to try to understand so we can try to help
him - but as you can imagine - a 6 year old is not the best person to
describe what is happening to them, or really understands - especially
if he has been having them for a while he probably just thinks that
everyone feels like that.
 
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