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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / January 2005Anyone KNOW their drugs? / phenobarbital / diazepam
phenobarbital / diazepam How 'similar' are these drugs .. ? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking So since they BOTH .. 'act' .. the .. same .. ? Phenobarbitol (Luminol) and diazeparn (Valium) both act on GABAA receptors --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOC] Which of the following drugs inhibits steroid biosynthesis ... File Format: Microsoft Word 2000 - View as HTML ... An antidote for iron toxicity is: ciltrovorum factor (Leucovorin). ... Phenobarbitol (Luminol) and diazeparn (Valium) both act on GABAA receptors, with identical ... student.ttuhsc.edu/PeerTutoring/ msii/pharm/blockiii/F00E3.doc - Supplemental Result - Similar pages -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We can .. 'assume' .. then since diazepam .. given to mice by research scientists .. with a heart .. in order to reduce the PAIN induced by their induction of iron overload in the mouse .. found those mice given the diazepam .. .lived .. One can .. again .. assume .. diazepam .. binds .. iron .. the SAME as the .. phenobarbitol .. So since 'they' INDUCE epilepsy in mice BY .. injecting .. iron .. then one might assume again .. the epilepsy IS induced by .. iron .. in ALL those who seem to recover when administered these .. drugs ..? Eh .. Too hard for ya .. to .. understand .. ? ;) http://tinyurl.com/6mqbg http://tinyurl.com/5cyxv Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Thomas FB, McCullough FS, Greenberger NJ. Related Articles, Links Effect of phenobarbital on the absorption of inorganic and hemoglobin iron in the rat. Gastroenterology. 1972 Apr;62(4):590-9. No abstract available. PMID: 5020871 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Levine DS, Huebers HA, Rubin CE, Finch CA. Related Articles, Links Blocking action of parenteral desferrioxamine on iron absorption in rodents and men. Gastroenterology. 1988 Nov;95(5):1242-8. PMID: 3169492 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] When you ASSUME... You make an a.s of U and ME..  SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > So since they BOTH .. 'act' .. the .. same .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Gastroenterology. 1988 Nov;95(5):1242-8. > PMID: 3169492 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > So since they BOTH .. 'act' .. the .. same .. ? > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Man! That's funny! Did you just come up with that yourself? :-) On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:40:57 -0800, ironjustice wrote: > So since 'they' INDUCE epilepsy in mice BY .. injecting .. iron .. then > one might assume again .. the epilepsy IS induced by .. iron .. in ALL > those who seem to recover when administered these .. drugs ..? I think I must have misunderstood something here! They keep telling us women to put up our iron content to help replace red blood cells lost in menstruation. I was first put on diazepam years ago, as I was prone to multiple seizures in short spaces of time (usually about 5-6 in one day). I was told the diazepam was just to try and stop a second or third appearing as this could get dangerous. However, I've never been told that my seizures could have anything to do with my iron supplements, or any iron toxicity of another kind. Is there anywhere I could get any confirmation of this, as I've now become very curious as to whether I ought to stop taking these supplements or not. Sofie PS. Also a vegetarian. > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:40:57 -0800, ironjustice wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > become very curious as to whether I ought to stop taking these supplements > or not. Sounds like you are talking about hemochromatosis, which is also known as iron storage disease. There is a bunch of information through google on this condition. Barb > Sofie > > PS. Also a vegetarian. Sofia , It is manys oppinion that the Tom-Iron is obsessed with blood-iron. Thanks for the diazepam info though as I sent it to a friend who has a beautiful kind natured germain shepard that had 6 seizures yesterday, despite being on maximum dose phenobarbitol for at least 9 months. Thank you ! Well . a study out of Europe found over fifty percent of the working dogs tested have .. siderosis .. Working dogs in Europe I suppose just might have a higher percentage who ARE .. shepherds .. ? Coincidentally .. German Shepherds have a VERY high propensity to hip dysplasia .. and tend to die .. early .. THAT seems to be quite similar to those .. people .. who have iron overload .. arthritis / death early .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Well . a study out of Europe found over fifty percent of the working > dogs tested have .. siderosis .. What was the study? > Working dogs in Europe I suppose just might have a higher percentage > who ARE .. shepherds .. ? Dogs aren't shepherds, humans are. > Coincidentally .. German Shepherds have a VERY high propensity to hip > dysplasia .. and tend to die .. early .. Evidence? > THAT seems to be quite similar to those .. people .. who have iron > overload .. arthritis / death early .. Evidence? Real, peer reviewed evidence please. Recently doctors have begun to .. understand .. the 'workings' of .. women. It seems just because you .. bleed .. doesn't mean you are .. bleeding to death. The theory going around is that in order to keep the body safe .. low iron .. low oxidation / rust for the safe gestation of an egg .. women have evolved a . method .. TO .. keep the iron levels .. low. The 'genetic' form of iron excess has been traced originally to those people of Celtic heritage and Northern European. They have now found a mutation in the Mediterranians and are actively searching for one in the Africans .. because .. iron levels THERE .. are .. high. Anemia in India has been shown to be much better / easily 'treated' by ramping up the vitamin C .. much better / easier than giving iron supplements. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Recently doctors have begun to .. understand .. the 'workings' of .. > women. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > iron .. low oxidation / rust for the safe gestation of an egg .. women > have evolved a . method .. TO .. keep the iron levels .. low. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > The 'genetic' form of iron excess has been traced originally to those > people of Celtic heritage and Northern European. > > They Who? > have now found a mutation in the Mediterranians and are actively > searching for one in the Africans .. because .. iron levels THERE .. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ramping up the vitamin C .. much better / easier than giving iron > supplements. Evidence? Peer reviewed of course. Howdy Mary! One of us has been hanging around the other for too long... All this demanding of hard evidence for outragious claims is turning into a VERY BAD HABIT! I think THEY call it: "scientific method toxicity syndrome"! :D SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > > > Recently doctors have begun to .. understand .. the 'workings' of .. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Evidence? Peer reviewed of course. > Howdy Mary! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think THEY call it: "scientific method toxicity syndrome"! :D Oh NO! I didn't realise it was a contagious condition! (I wish) I'm on my knees ... I apologise in humble profusion ... Obviously I shouldn't have eaten that hare's liver, it's boosted my iron content. Or perhaps it was the garden fork I thrust through my foot ... Or perhaps it's because I don't bleed any more and am accumulating all that dreadful poison ... Whatever it was I'm delighted to hear from you again :-))) XXXMXXX Listen .. Mary .. I don't .. supply .. citations .. UNLESS .. I .. 'feel' .. like .. it .. Don't want to take my .. word .. ? Don't . Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/ > Listen .. Mary .. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Don't want to take my .. word .. ? No. > Don't . I don't. Without evidence it's worthless. For sure .. I hit .. many .. different .. newsgroups .. If I stopped to 'supply citations' for EVERY thing I say .. I wouldn't have ANY time .. Your loss .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/ > For sure .. > > I hit .. many .. different .. newsgroups .. > > If I stopped to 'supply citations' for EVERY thing I say .. I wouldn't > have ANY time .. Oh bliss ... > Your loss .. No, dear, yours, because you're wasting your time. If you can't convince people why bother ... Find another hobby. >>No, dear, yours, because you're wasting your time. If you can't convince people why bother ... Find another hobby. << No .. if I don't convince .. YOU .. it is YOUR .. loss .. Me .. ? What is it to YOU ? YOU .. care ..about .. ME .. ? Heh .. heh .. What I've seen of YOU .. how come I don't quite think .. so .. See the thread .. ? It has nothing to do about .. ME .. I asked a question .. and YOU seem to take offense somewhere along the way .. Take your .. offense and .. stick it .. You are too freaking lazy to look up any of the stuff I have said .. and you continue to smart off .. THAT is what you are .. A smartoff .. So .. read .. my .. lips .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it is my English again, but I really have no idea what this guy is talking about? Iron Levels? Iron Justice and women bleeding to death. Scarry...bbbbrrrr. SignatureThanks. Marco The Netherlands >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Maybe it is my English again, but I really have no idea what this guy is > talking about? Iron Levels? Iron Justice and women bleeding to death. > Scarry...bbbbrrrr. No, it's not just you. Nobody knows what he's talking about, least of all him! Don't be scared, he's harmless. Mary They are both sedatives, anxiolytics and muscle relaxers, but diazapam works on the GABA-A /BZD receptor and barbiturates work on an allosteric binding site in the same neurons, opening chloride channels and hypopolarizing the neuron. Even though they both have similar outward effects, barbs are infinitely more deadly than benzos. And phenobarb sucks. The best barbs are pentobarbital, secobarbital and amybarbital (also the combo product Tuinal). But they are hard to come by. I had a Nembutal script for about a year, but my doctor took it away one time when I came in there "overmedicated" MobiusDick > Even though they both have similar outward effects, barbs are > infinitely more deadly than benzos. And phenobarb sucks. The best barbs [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MobiusDick If it were only easy to convert the pheno to the nembu.
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