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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / November 2004"OE-QuoteFix" - Fixing OE messy quoting in posts here
To all users of the Microsoft Outlook Express mail & news reader! That includes most of the people who post here. Please go to the website http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ where they will explain much better than I can as to what a big mess Outlook Express is making of every message where you quote the previous message when you post. For Windows users http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/dl.php?get=OE-QuoteFix will take you directly to a download and the install is quick & easy. Simply save it to disk and double-click on it when the download is complete. Everyone I know who has done this has been very happy with it and I've installed it myself. Please? :-) Bob > To all users of the Microsoft Outlook Express mail & news reader! That > includes most of the people who post here. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Please? :-) > Bob 1) Which part of OE is it that you don't like? (I forgot to look up what you use before I came here) 1a) How Reliable is that Germany site you want us all to use? I'm up to the Wazoo in Rolex Watches, Africa money laundry scams, and other mass-sent UCE after posting *here. If that's not a reliable site or it might conflict with Win.XP-1 or 2, I won't be doing it. 2) I'm about to load a legal ($200) Cd for XP.2 since my computer store (gone) apparently used a stolen XP-1 when they were in business. I have enough apprehension about risk of trashing 2 years' files from *here and uk astronomy group just to get M.soft updates (that load every time I power up, but fail if I try load them because the new software detects 2. above now, but didn't on last 2+ years of version 1. So I'm not over excited about loading something Else new (oe-quotfix) until I have been past V.2 more than a week or 2. What is it that you're 'very happy with' that *I need? Is it the Indent >s that track if a reply is a first, 2nd or 3rd generation reply? Several of the astronomy sites get up to 7 of those on some multi-day discussions and it's handy to track the Start of the threads, versus someone who's only posted in last day or 2. So what makes 'OE messy quoting in posts here' ?? G./ >> To all users of the Microsoft Outlook Express mail & news reader! That >> includes most of the people who post here. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > someone who's only posted in last day or 2. So what makes 'OE messy > quoting in posts here' ?? G./ The best thing it does is that it "fixes" the problem of "word wrap" not working properly with quoted text. (All those lines of only 1 or 2 words are eliminated- hence the name.) It changes the color of each poster's text so you can tell who wrote what. It can automatically remove the full address of the person you're replying to. (Just their name appears- no need to erase the Remove/ NOSPAM type of garbage people add to their address to avoid spam) "Smileys"/emotions appear as pictures, not keystrokes. It does more, but those are the things that I like. > > 1) Which part of OE is it that you don't like? (I forgot to look up > > what you use before I came here) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > not working properly with quoted text. (All those lines of only 1 or 2 > words are eliminated- hence the name.) **G* Note - My screen doesn't display any word wrap. If your's does with line of 1 or 2 words, that's in your software? as the Received and not in mine? as the Sender. Did you increase your Font Size, so it thinks all the text takes up more room? I think I reduced mine one notch to try save paper from sites where I print info. and get last line on 1 page. > It changes the color of each poster's text so you can tell who wrote > what. It can automatically remove the full address of the person you're > replying to. (Just their name appears- no need to erase the Remove/ > NOSPAM type of garbage people add to their address to avoid spam) *** Above only shows up on mine when I click Reply to Sender-- When I reply to Group I don't need to alter whatever anti-spam stuff they've inserted. I tried to write Bob about 5 months ago about someone who I thought was a Phisher and didn't (in fact) have Epilepsy but was posting disruptive stuff on the group to harvest addresses. When I posted that I couldn't write him but had a note to send, he told me to 'Post it on the Group'. So I deleted it. > "Smileys"/emotions appear as pictures, not keystrokes. Most newsgroups use Plain text. I hadn't planned to use above, even though they're somewhere here in XP. > It does more, but those are the things that I like. I'm happy for you. /G. > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > one notch to try save paper from sites where I print info. and get > last line on 1 page. OK GR,I just looked at the Source of your post here and it's bad. Then I brought up my own OE to take a look and it was bad in OE also. Wipe off your glasses man.<g> Are you still going to indulge in fingerpointing? Look at that big mess you made! That problem with OE is widely known in the user community. > I tried to write Bob about 5 months ago about someone who I thought > was a Phisher and didn't (in fact) have Epilepsy but was posting > disruptive stuff on the group to harvest addresses. What you are describing would be a Troll. They only try to stir things up. A Phisher trys to trick the unwary. I got a Phisher spam earlier today. I never open spam messages except in WordPad where a virus etc would not be effective. He was pretending to be from Paypal and asked me to spend a few minutes updating my account information. I've sure that I would have been requested to give a lot of private data. That's what a Phisher does. They pretend to be legit in order to trick you into giving out credit card#'s and other private data. > When I posted that I couldn't write him but had a note to send, he > told me to 'Post it on the Group'. So I deleted it. Why? :-) Just ask the person some very penetrating questions.<g> >> It does more, but those are the things that I like. >> > I'm happy for you. /G. We'd like to be happy for you GR. Install it! You'll like it! ;-> Bob >>To all users of the Microsoft Outlook Express mail & news reader! That >>includes most of the people who post here. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > 1) Which part of OE is it that you don't like? I thought I made that clear when I said: "what a big mess Outlook Express is making of every message where you quote the previous message when you post." Then I said to look at that website where they give an example and explanation. After several iterations, some of these threads are impossible to follow. > (I forgot to look up what > you use before I came here) It's Netscape, but does that matter? We're talking about OE, not what I use. > 1a) How Reliable is that Germany site you want us all to use? Very reliable. I have OE on my computer even though I don't use it often and I've installed QuoteFix on mine. I also know quite a few people who have used it and recommend it highly. That's how I found out about it myself. Plus, it's FREE! :-) > I'm up to > the Wazoo in Rolex Watches, Africa money laundry scams, and other mass-sent > UCE after posting *here. The guy who writes it is a legitimate programmer. He doesn't mail out spam. I found out about him from another user. > If that's not a reliable site or it might > conflict with Win.XP-1 or 2, I won't be doing it. Not to worry. OE is an application and not part of the OS. > 2) I'm about to load a legal ($200) Cd for XP.2 That's ~1/3 the price of a newer faster computer that comes with XP. ;-) > since my computer store > (gone) apparently used a stolen XP-1 when they were in business. How do you know that? Don't you have your own CD for XP-1? > I have > enough apprehension about risk of trashing 2 years' files from *here and uk > astronomy group just to get M.soft updates (that load every time I power up, > but fail if I try load them because the new software detects 2. above now, > but didn't on last 2+ years of version 1. I didn't follow you there. I sure hope that you have backups for all of those files on CD, DVD, uploaded, or somewhere else that's not on your computer. > So I'm not over excited about loading something Else new (oe-quotfix) > until I have been past V.2 more than a week or 2. What is it that you're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the Start of the threads, versus someone who's only posted in last day or 2. > So what makes 'OE messy quoting in posts here' ?? That's it! I agree with you that those >, >>, >>>, >>>>>>>>, etc are very helpful in following a post and it is indeed what I'm talking about!! OE will give a > when it's in the middle of a bunch of >> supposed to be a >> as one example. So if you are using those to follow a message, OE screws it up so that the post is hard to follow. There are many posts here like that, but for a concrete example look at the post: "Re: Vent: seizure at job interview" where you responded to turbinado on: 11/18/04 22:51:33 -0600. Bob > >>To all users of the Microsoft Outlook Express mail & news reader! That > >>includes most of the people who post here. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > It's Netscape, but does that matter? We're talking about OE, not what I use. *** I was trying to determine if any glitches the earlier poster didn't like were because of the receiver's display software as opposed to a sender's formatting. / > The guy who writes it is a legitimate programmer. He doesn't mail out > spam. I found out about him from another user. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not to worry. OE is an application and not part of the OS. *** Doesn't XP-2 include fixes plus upgrades to OE as well as anti-spam and anti-virii stuff that my Norton is currently pulling off here? If OE isn't part of the OS, isn't that what Bill just spent the last 5 years in court over?. > > 2) I'm about to load a legal ($200) Cd for XP.2 > > That's ~1/3 the price of a newer faster computer that comes with XP. ;-) Typical price in Canada of a computer with this disk size and memory is $2400, just a tad above 2x $200. > > since my computer store > > (gone) apparently used a stolen XP-1 when they were in business. > > How do you know that? Don't you have your own CD for XP-1? ** No, I didn't get a CD or Manual from the Vendor, it was 'preloaded' and I didn't know there is a Hologram on each computer that matches the CD of XP-1 and the Manual that we're supposed to get. That's probably why he's out of business and gone. I found out about Above hologram and CD from M.soft 'how to tell' if Software is stolen when my computer downloads XP2 each time I power on, but M.soft blocks loading of the upgrade 10 minutes after I click to start it up -- as it asks me to. At that point it says "you appear to be using an illegal version of XP-1, if you think this is an error, click here... " and I had several productive emails with their help desk about the how to tell link, and above. And several computer stores I've been to, 'just to see', don't have any Holograms glued on their computers either (unless it's underneath someplace remote, so hard to read the serial no. if you had to contact M.soft.). > > I have > > enough apprehension about risk of trashing 2 years' files from *here and uk > > astronomy group just to get M.soft updates that load every time I power up, > > but fail if I try load them because the new software detects above now, > > but didn't on last 2+ years of version 1. > > I didn't follow you there. I sure hope that you have backups for all of > those files on CD, DVD, uploaded, or somewhere else that's not on your > computer. *** Never have. The only CDs I keep are the Cable ISP Software, Norton A.V., Chess and Golf, and (soon) 2 other applications I bought when I bought the XP-2 Disk and manual kit. Is it the Indent >s that track if a reply > > is a first, 2nd or 3rd generation reply? Several of the astronomy sites > > get up to 7 of those on some multi-day discussions and it's handy to track [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > supposed to be a >> as one example. So if you are using those to follow > a message, OE screws it up so that the post is hard to follow. **Some of those might be where I insert something like this in mid-message so that the older message gets set to >> when it's posted and my insert (here) gets a > only. Some of the Other line breaks (if they're only on my posts) come from times where I might hit the Carriage Return (from touch typing school in 1960), and cause it to do a line break where it hadn't planned one. Also since I purposely ran this paragraph to end (right ) margin, if the message is breaking into other than full lines (5) of text, wouldn't that be in the Editor *(your's) that reads this vs. my send format? > There are many posts here like that, but for a concrete example look at > the post: "Re: Vent: seizure at job interview" where you responded to > turbinado on: 11/18/04 22:51:33 -0600. > Bob I didn't count them, but some of the ones in above message, were where *I hit the 'carriage return' while typing and not because of OE? /G. > <MESSAGE SNIPPED> > *** I was trying to determine if any glitches the earlier poster didn't like > were because of the receiver's display software as opposed to a sender's > formatting. / and you're familiar enough with Netscape, Eudora, Xnews et al to know the answer to that if you were told or had read the headers? >>Not to worry. OE is an application and not part of the OS. > > *** Doesn't XP-2 include fixes plus upgrades to OE as well as anti-spam and > anti-virii stuff that my Norton is currently pulling off here? If OE isn't > part of the OS, isn't that what Bill just spent the last 5 years in court > over?. XP is the Operating System! The Windows OS provides an interface with the computer hardware that Applications et al use. As to whether Service Pack 2 includes fixes for OE in addition to XP, I don't know, but it might. It sure needs fixes. >>>2) I'm about to load a legal ($200) Cd for XP.2 >> >>That's ~1/3 the price of a newer faster computer that comes with XP. ;-) > > Typical price in Canada of a computer with this disk size and memory is > $2400, just a tad above 2x $200. I don't know what your configuration is, but these come with a 40GB HD, 2.4GHz CPU, 533GHz FSB, 256MB RAM. >>How do you know that? Don't you have your own CD for XP-1? > > ** No, I didn't get a CD or Manual from the Vendor, it was 'preloaded' A computer always comes with a CD. How else would one load additional software or replace damaged software? How else would you rebuild after a HD crash? That was your warning right there! > and I > didn't know there is a Hologram on each computer that matches the CD of XP-1 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > error, click here... " and I had several productive emails with their help > desk about the how to tell link, and above. I guess MS hasn't taken sympathy for your circumstances & given you the upgrade. >>I didn't follow you there. I sure hope that you have backups for all of >>those files on CD, DVD, uploaded, or somewhere else that's not on your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A.V., Chess and Golf, and (soon) 2 other applications I bought when I > bought the XP-2 Disk and manual kit. Good grief! You sure live dangerously. If you had a disk crash, you would be completely wiped out. You should be backing up your user files to some media like CD-R. >>That's it! I agree with you that those >, >>, >>>, >>>>>>>>, etc are >>very helpful in following a post and it is indeed what I'm talking [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so that the older message gets set to >> when it's posted and my insert > (here) gets a > only. Your insert gets no > at all until it's replied to. > Some of the Other line breaks (if they're only on my > posts) come from times where I might hit the Carriage Return (from touch > typing school in 1960), and cause it to do a line break where it hadn't > planned one. Yeah, but we're not talking about those. > Also since I purposely ran this paragraph to end (right ) > margin, if the message is breaking into other than full lines (5) of text, > wouldn't that be in the Editor *(your's) that reads this vs. my send format? I've read those in OE also! >>There are many posts here like that, but for a concrete example look at >>the post: "Re: Vent: seizure at job interview" where you responded to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I didn't count them, but some of the ones in above message, were where *I > hit the 'carriage return' while typing and not because of OE? We're talking about THE QUOTED PART!!!! dammit! Bob
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