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turbinado - 17 Nov 2004 05:04 GMT
Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
really well and I think I did well on the test, even though I'd had another
seizure this morning and wasn't quite up to par. We were in the HR person's
office just about to say goodbye, then next thing I know we're standing
outside waiting for a taxi - because I didn't remember that my husband was
on his way to pick me up. She told me it had lasted about 15 minutes. Just
to make it worse I had answered "no" to the question on the application
form, "Do you have any disabilities or medical problems that may affect your
ability to do the job?" DAMN IT!! I've been looking for a permanent job for
almost a year now.
Looks like I'll have to increase my meds AGAIN, until I get surgery (if they
find that I'm qualified for it). I was hoping that I'd have a job with
long-term disability insurance before I have surgery which will leave me
unable to work for several months.
:(
gaross - 17 Nov 2004 05:29 GMT
> Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
> this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
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> unable to work for several months.
> :(

I'm sorry to hear that.  It's been so long since you posted (or I forgot)
IF your Complex Partials are aggravated by stress?  (like mine).    Since I
don't remember for sure whether that applied to you, or what pills you now
take, my Neuro gave me a prescription for Atavan Sublingual 1mg (lorazepam)
as I got nearer to control with Tegretol and Frisium.

   Since I had definite auras, if I put one of those (about size of a
saccharine (sp?) tablet) under my tongue, it would dissolve into bloodstream
in under 5 minutes and 'cap' the seizure onset.   Of course in your case,
you would have had to take it Ahead of the interview (it's effective for ~4
hours?),  rather than pausing during the interview to take one.  Except for
drowsiness, if you could use it,  there aren't any side effects that I'm
aware of if it would help your type of szr.

   Again I'm sorry to hear about your experience.
   Do you know for sure that she (they) have turned down your application
yet?  In other words did you hear right then or do they write to you?
*Maybe they have a compassionate HR person.   There are a few around ya
know.

   Also, it may vary by area (Province, State),  but some Employers,
although their Medical and Dental insurance starts right away,  sometimes
the long term disability part has a 6 month to 1 year?  waiting period.
That might have changed or not apply, but I think (back in 1966) it was
after a year before they asked me if I wanted to pay for Extended Disability
Group Insurance.   Lucky I did, since I was fully healthy at the time.  But
the prescription plans just started up nationally about 1975, long **before
I started to need the mix I take now.

   Maybe others here will have some ideas in the Morning.     G./
Mary Fisher - 17 Nov 2004 11:01 GMT
> Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
> this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
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> unable to work for several months.
> :(

That's awful - but why did you say "no" to the disbility question?

Mary
CyberCafe - 17 Nov 2004 15:05 GMT
> > Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
> > this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> That's awful - but why did you say "no" to the disbility question?

You know, I think that word "disability" means different things to different
people or different organizations.  That phrase, "ability to do your job,"
really isn't clear either.  Does that mean all the time or what?  I work at
home, and even if I had a seizure while working, it doesn't affect my
performance although it might affect the time needed to complete a project, but
since I work at home, that is a moot point because I can work whatever hours I
wish.

Barb

> Mary
Mary Fisher - 17 Nov 2004 15:53 GMT
>> > Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview
>> > at
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> hours I
> wish.

It certainly is a matter of interpretation. When I've ever been asked about
such things I've given the whole picture and never been refused.

Surely if you deny something and then it manifests itself it could have
worse implications than if you're straight from the start?

It's a difficult one, I realise that.

Mary

> Barb
>
>> Mary
CyberCafe - 18 Nov 2004 06:48 GMT
> >> > Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview
> >> > at
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>
> It's a difficult one, I realise that.

Sorry to have replied on your post, Mary.  Certainly didn't mean to single you
out.  I just thought it was a good time to bring up the subject.  I definitely
understand what you are saying.

Barb

> Mary
> >
> > Barb
> >
> >> Mary
Satch - 04 Dec 2004 06:53 GMT
Though I do agree that you always have to be honest about any condition
affecting your daily job especially when that condition is not fully
controlled, nowadays employers can choose what people they want to hire for
their job application. Unfortunately, people that say "yes" to any of these
questions are off the list so to speak.

--
Thanks.

Marco
The Netherlands
Dave ???? - 17 Nov 2004 18:30 GMT
> Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
> this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> unable to work for several months.
> :(

Howdy!

DO your seizures effect your ability to do the job??

If not, you may be a shoe in just because you have demonstrated that you
qualify for consideration under EEO.

If they do, then you are guilty of fraud on your job application.

Dave
Daz_n_Pat - 18 Nov 2004 02:05 GMT
> Howdy!
>
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>
> Dave

Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do one's
job? It also requires time away from your work, as does a seizure.
I have always answered "no" to that question on an application, because my
seizures don't affect my ability to do the job, they just take a little time
away from it - as does going to the toilet.

Darryl.
Repairmanjack - 19 Nov 2004 02:28 GMT
> Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do one's
> job?

I think you are forgetting the context this question implies. If the job
requires you to drive a truck, then YES, seizures certainly would
affect your ability to do your job. I can think of many jobs that
someone with seizures shouldn't do.....lifeguard, jockey, pilot,
child care, jobs where a lot of travel is involved, working with
dangerous equipment.......

>It also requires time away from your work, as does a seizure.

You can control (to a large degree) when you have to go to the
bathroom. You can plan around it. Not true with seizures.

That said, I managed a fairly large group of computer programmers
for several years and occasionally had seizures and it did not
distract from my performance. But I only had a handful of seizures
over the span of a year. If I had a handful a day, then it would have
affected my performance.
Dave ???? - 19 Nov 2004 04:34 GMT
I would also add working on a production line (if you have a seizure you
shut down the whole factory.)

Real-time person to person interface: phone operators, telemarketing, etc.

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Dave ????

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> > Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do one's
> > job?
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> over the span of a year. If I had a handful a day, then it would have
> affected my performance.
Daz_n_Pat - 19 Nov 2004 11:09 GMT
>> Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do one's
>> job?
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> over the span of a year. If I had a handful a day, then it would have
> affected my performance.

I spent 20 years working in a factory, making formica benchtops, the last
three years as production manager over a team of approx 20 staff - having
between 5 and 15 seizures a DAY and my work wasn't affected by it. My
workmates got used to it although some of the customers got a bit more than
they bargained for. I am fortunate, however, in that I have an almost
immediate recovery. I realise many don't - was only stirring the pot with my
last post. It was meant in jest - I try not to take life too seriously - if
you add up the time spent working, sleeping, travelling, shopping and
seizing, there isn't all that much left over.

Cheers
Darryl.
turbinado - 20 Nov 2004 02:40 GMT
> >> Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do one's
> >> job?
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> Cheers
> Darryl.

Well, this is a desk job - proofreading labels and marketing material.
Having a seizure won't affect other people or endanger me or anyone else.
But of course, it will leave me incapacitated for at least a couple of
hours.
Dave ???? - 21 Nov 2004 04:21 GMT
> > >> Well, doesn't the need to go to the toilet affect the ability to do
> one's
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> But of course, it will leave me incapacitated for at least a couple of
> hours.

Howdy!

Sounds like: "NO" was the right answer then!

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Dave ????

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Satch - 04 Dec 2004 06:56 GMT
> > DO your seizures effect your ability to do the job??

I guess that depends on the job you are applying for plus the fact whether
or not the seizure is fully controlled.

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Thanks.

Marco
The Netherlands

Julie - 17 Nov 2004 19:51 GMT
Sorry to hear about your job interview experience.  Keep a positive outlook.
Give the company a call and let them know that you are very much interested in
the position and comment on why you will do a good job for them.  Speak with
confidence in your voice.  Or drop them a card to thank them for the interview
and you look forward to hearing from them.

I had a tonic clonic seizure the day before an interview.  I was exhausted, had
to have my husband drive me to the interview.  I had notes to remind me of what
I wanted to say and ask.  I was interviewed by three people at once.  No one
knew there was a problem except me, I got the job and they were surprised when I
informed them months later that I had experienced a seizure the day before the
interview.

Take care,
Julie

> Need to vent: I am so pissed off! I was just leaving my 2nd interview at
> this company, when I went into a complex partial. The interview had gone
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> unable to work for several months.
> :(
turbinado - 18 Nov 2004 03:14 GMT
Well, I wasn't really sure what I should answer. I said "no" because it's
not like a physical handicap that impedes my abilities - it only affects my
work ability when I'm having (or just have had) a seizure. I didn't want to
put anything on the application that would make me look less attractive as
an employee.
I spoke to the woman at the employment agency this morning and told her what
happened, and she said it wouldn't necessarily ruin my chances. I'm going to
write a "thank you" letter to the woman who interviewed me with a PS
thanking her for her understanding, or something like that.
G, to answer your question, my seizures can definitely be triggered by
stress, and I'm now on Clobazam and Tegretol, but for the last couple of
months I've been having CPs once a week or so (three times so far this
week - had another one today). And in BC your benefits normally take effect
after a three-month probation period is over (although for long-term
disability they may make you wait longer, I'm not sure).

> Sorry to hear about your job interview experience.  Keep a positive outlook.
> Give the company a call and let them know that you are very much interested in
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> > unable to work for several months.
> > :(
gaross - 18 Nov 2004 05:23 GMT
> Well, I wasn't really sure what I should answer. I said "no" because it's
> not like a physical handicap that impedes my abilities - it only affects my
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> after a three-month probation period is over (although for long-term
> disability they may make you wait longer, I'm not sure).

**G*  Is the weather going up and down this time of year out there?   I
found my C.P.s were aggravated by drops in the air pressure (as rain
approached), when I got nearer to control using the same pills you are
using.

Usually in Canada I think it's a Year full time, then the insurer the
Company uses (through the company) lets you add long term disab. insurance
to your deductions.
  That's one advantage though of a Group Insurance policy (with the
company) in that the rates are lower often than buying it on our own.   And
if for some reason you later became disabled there are some tax advantages
here by electing to pay for part of the insurance instead of having the
employer pick up 100% of any insurance costs.   /
turbinado - 19 Nov 2004 01:53 GMT
> > G, to answer your question, my seizures can definitely be triggered by
> > stress, and I'm now on Clobazam and Tegretol, but for the last couple of
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> approached), when I got nearer to control using the same pills you are
> using.

Yes, the weather in Vancouver has been getting very cold, raining and windy,
with occasional bright sunny days. Maybe I should keep note of how the
weather is when I have seizures.

>  Usually in Canada I think it's a Year full time, then the insurer the
> Company uses (through the company) lets you add long term disab. insurance
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> here by electing to pay for part of the insurance instead of having the
> employer pick up 100% of any insurance costs.   /

Well, it's probably a moot point now. I can't afford to buy personal
insurance, and I doubt that I got that job. :( I'm working on a temp
contract now which is over next Friday.
But the silver lining is that I won't have to postpone my video/EEG
monitoring hospital stay, which has been tentatively arranged for early to
mid-December. (I was going to put it off until next year if I got the job.)
I'm trying my best not to feel sorry for myself... How about some chocolate?
;)
gaross - 19 Nov 2004 04:51 GMT
> > **G*  Is the weather going up and down this time of year out there?   I
> > found my C.P.s were aggravated by drops in the air pressure (as rain
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> I'm trying my best not to feel sorry for myself... How about some chocolate?
> ;)

Yes, Please....    :->   G./
Chris Lesurf - 21 Nov 2004 06:39 GMT
> > > **G*  Is the weather going up and down this time of year out there?   I
> > > found my C.P.s were aggravated by drops in the air pressure (as rain
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> > with occasional bright sunny days. Maybe I should keep note of how the
> > weather is when I have seizures.

I've been recording the air pressure here morning and night for about
20yrs and found that I tend to have more fits when it reaches a peak ie
stops going up and starts going down. I think there's a similar tendency
when it stops going down and starts going up but I don't think that's such
a definite influence.

I've also developed bi-polar disorder and find that when I'm on top of the
world I want to eat lots and lots of chocolate. When the world's on top of
me, I can't stand very sweet flavours and find very few things pleasant to
eat.

As blood sugar level is an important influence on the likelihood of having
a fit, the cold weather may affect it by using the energy more quickly and
hence reducing the blood sugar level.

Cheers,

Chris L.
Mary Fisher - 19 Nov 2004 10:19 GMT
> But the silver lining is that I won't have to postpone my video/EEG
> monitoring hospital stay, which has been tentatively arranged for early to
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> chocolate?
> ;)

Here, try some of my very special one, it's mind blowi - oh, perhaps we
shouldn't be eating that!

You sound more relaxed now, I'm very pleased about that.

Mary
turbinado - 20 Nov 2004 02:41 GMT
> > But the silver lining is that I won't have to postpone my video/EEG
> > monitoring hospital stay, which has been tentatively arranged for early to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Mary

Thanks, Mary. I'm getting over it.
Satch - 04 Dec 2004 07:00 GMT
> Sorry to hear about your job interview experience.  Keep a positive
> outlook.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> the
> interview.

Yep, I would certainly call them and let them know what the condition is and
how it doesnot affect your daily job PLUS if they are asking for it, let
them know you filled in "no" because you really wanted that job (good
motivation) and you are convinced you can do it based on the fact that the
seizure itself does not affect your ability to do it.

Hopefully that helps?
Signature

Thanks.

Marco
The Netherlands

turbinado - 04 Dec 2004 22:29 GMT
> Yep, I would certainly call them and let them know what the condition is and
> how it doesnot affect your daily job PLUS if they are asking for it, let
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> Marco
> The Netherlands

Thanks Marco, and everyone who responded. I sent the interviewer a
"thank-you" email the next day, in which I told her about the epilepsy and
assured her that it does not affect my job performance. Unfortunately I was
notified the following week that someone else has been hired. :( I guess
we'll never know what the reason was.
Now I'm unemployed, so if any of you needs some freelance proofreading or
copy editing done, let me know! I can work long distance thanks to the Net!
thanks,
Hilary
Satch - 05 Dec 2004 07:34 GMT
> Thanks Marco, and everyone who responded. I sent the interviewer a
> "thank-you" email the next day, in which I told her about the epilepsy and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> copy editing done, let me know! I can work long distance thanks to the
> Net!

Too bad to hear Hilary. As Mary Fisher would say, think positive and there
will always be a next opportunity. Don't loose confidence and find out
whether there are other jobs as well you can apply for so that your chances
to a good result increase a little bit?

Signature

Thanks.

Marco
The Netherlands

Mary Fisher - 05 Dec 2004 20:53 GMT
>> Thanks Marco, and everyone who responded. I sent the interviewer a
>> "thank-you" email the next day, in which I told her about the epilepsy
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>> copy editing done, let me know! I can work long distance thanks to the
>> Net!

I didn't know what your expertise was, I think you probably should look far
wider. Good proofreading is a great skill and, from what I see in
professional publishing, is left far too much to computers. With our rich
and beautiful language only a human can do the job properly. Spread your Net
wide!

> Too bad to hear Hilary. As Mary Fisher would say, think positive and there
> will always be a next opportunity.

Would I?

LOL!

There are so many people knowing more about me than I know about myself :-)

> Don't loose confidence and find out
> whether there are other jobs as well you can apply for so that your
> chances
> to a good result increase a little bit?

You certainly have learned by this experience, suggestions from this group
and, probably, from others will all stand you in good stead with future
applications.

I'm sure we all wish you well for the future.

Mary
turbinado - 05 Dec 2004 22:28 GMT
> >> Thanks Marco, and everyone who responded. I sent the interviewer a
> >> "thank-you" email the next day, in which I told her about the epilepsy
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Mary

Thanks Mary! I appreciate it. :)
 
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