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Can vitamins cause simple partials?

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PIPER - 28 Sep 2004 02:07 GMT
It seems that whenever i take a vit. i get a "eppie".

piper
turbinado - 29 Sep 2004 01:40 GMT
Check the ingredients. I have found some vitamins have hydrolized vegetable
protein, which is a trigger for me, as a "non-medicinal ingredients".
Glutamic acid is another one.
Are these multivitamins or a particular one?

> It seems that whenever i take a vit. i get a "eppie".
>
> piper
PIPER - 02 Oct 2004 04:16 GMT
It seems like a basic vit doesnt do it but when i take calcuim with vit d,
mag and such i have one that day or the next..

> Check the ingredients. I have found some vitamins have hydrolized vegetable
> protein, which is a trigger for me, as a "non-medicinal ingredients".
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> >
> > piper
Satch - 02 Oct 2004 07:44 GMT
> It seems like a basic vit doesnt do it but when i take calcuim with vit d,
> mag and such i have one that day or the next..

Hi Lewis,

Did you speak to your pharmacist / neurologist about this? I am very
interested to hear what they say about this. What medications are you taking
at the moment? Maybe it is a combination of it? I am also taking
multivitamins but fortunately, I do not have any problems.

Cheers and best to you,
Marco
PIPER - 05 Oct 2004 01:26 GMT
He didnt really say anything, just kind of did that scotish "hmmmphm" sound.

I think i need a new neuro.
> > It seems like a basic vit doesnt do it but when i take calcuim with vit d,
> > mag and such i have one that day or the next..
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> Cheers and best to you,
> Marco
turbinado - 04 Oct 2004 02:11 GMT
Certain AEDs are not to be taken with calcium - I know that Topamax is one.
Are you taking them at the same time as your meds?

> It seems like a basic vit doesnt do it but when i take calcuim with vit d,
> mag and such i have one that day or the next..
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> > >
> > > piper
Satch - 04 Oct 2004 05:17 GMT
> Certain AEDs are not to be taken with calcium - I know that Topamax is
> one.
> Are you taking them at the same time as your meds?

Hello,

I am curious if someone knows about a complete list of AEDs in combination
with certain well-known ingredients which one needs to avoid? We can then
avoid them beforehand?

Cheers,
Marco
gaross - 04 Oct 2004 05:29 GMT
> > Certain AEDs are not to be taken with calcium - I know that Topamax is
> > one.
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> Cheers,
> Marco

Those sorts of things *should be listed on e.g. http://efa.org  medications
glossary or on **printout from your pharmacist when a prescription is
**first filled.    Whether they Are or not might not be consistent. (e.g.
Grapefruit Juice and Tegretol conflict, but aren't listed on all medications
sites -- although I found that first on above site, before my Pharmacist
confirmed that the printout I took in, was in fact, correct.)     G./
Satch - 04 Oct 2004 17:45 GMT
> Those sorts of things *should be listed on e.g. http://efa.org 
> medications
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> sites -- although I found that first on above site, before my Pharmacist
> confirmed that the printout I took in, was in fact, correct.)     G./

Hello Gaross,

I looked at that site and even did a search on grapefruit juice but it came
back with no matches -I guess I am doing something wrong or misunderstood
your answer Would you mind telling me where you did find this list or
something related?

Cheers,
Marco
gaross - 04 Oct 2004 18:49 GMT
> > Those sorts of things *should be listed on e.g. http://efa.org
> > medications
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> Cheers,
> Marco

Try do a search then on Tegretol.  (I once got it from google by searching
tegretol&grapefruit  but it didn't find that this afternoon.)
   Under http://www.google.ca  (one I use in Canada)  or try
http://www.google.com  and see if that does same,  type Tegretol (or try
above search with the &).   I got about 30 addresses that weren't my older
posts,  Two were under carbamazepine (tegretol)
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-t01.html#Head_5     Other was
http://www.peacehealth.org/kbase/multum/d00058al.htm      (I didn't go back
and check those 2 after I typed them.)

Content of One I found-I'm going to stop posting that,  I do this about 1-2x
a week when I mention Grapefruit here-->
Interactions:
Se Contraindications. Plasma levels of carbamazepine increased by macrolide
antibiotics, isoniazid, verapamil, danazol, fluvoxamine, grapefruit juice,
azole antifungals, loratadine, ritonavir, diltiazem, fluoxetine, cimetidine.
Carbamazepine

***************************

may lower plasma levels of anticonvulsants, oral contraceptive, oral
anticoagulants, digoxin, cyclosporine, levothyroxine, dehydropyridine
calcium channel blockers, doxycycline, TCAs, estrogens/progestrogens,
corticosteroids, benzodiazepines, haloperidol, protease inhibitors for HIV
treatment, olanzapine, risperidone. Plasma levels of carbamazepine may be
reduced by phenytoin, Phenobarbital, rifampin, oxcarbazepine, St.John'sWort,
valproic acid, phesuximide. Combined use of carbamazepine with lithium or
haloperidol may increase risk of neurotoxic side effects.   //
Satch - 04 Oct 2004 20:13 GMT
> Try do a search then on Tegretol.  (I once got it from google by searching
> tegretol&grapefruit  but it didn't find that this afternoon.)
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> valproic acid, phesuximide. Combined use of carbamazepine with lithium or
> haloperidol may increase risk of neurotoxic side effects.   //

Cheers, Gaross. I appreciate your hard work.

However, I am just looking for a complete list of all drugs and all
interactions. I know about Tegretol and Grapefruit Juice and I also know you
posted this hundreds of times already. I am just curious if there is an
"official list" somewhere on an official epilepsy foundation website;
obviously we still just need to hunt for the list manually which may mean we
are missing some important stuff here.

That is all. Personally, I do not need more information regarding Depakine
Crono (Depakote ER).

Bye,
Marco
gaross - 04 Oct 2004 20:51 GMT
I agree.  I thought that efa.org was 'it'.   That's why on earlier note I
said that that site's Medications Glossary contained "the reference" on that
(I still think on an earlier version that was where I saw my first encounter
with the Tegretol being interfered with by Grapefruit Juice).    When I
printed it from wherever I got it  (using Win.95 on a different computer)
and took it to the Pharmacy, their Healthwatch Printout (for Tegretol) that
they hand out with New Prescriptions,  already had the comment that both
Alcohol and Grapefruit juice can interfere with the performance or
absorption of  Carbamazepine (Tegretol).   They just hadn't thought to give
it to people who were **already using Tegretol.
  And I left the longer post (earlier) below.  I knew about it interfering
w. Oral Contraception, but the St. John's Wort and other references (I don't
use also),   were not on some other sites I had read also.  And there were
*many references now with that search just on Tegretol (I expected some of
mine, but these were other ones), although at the moment I didn't get the
Tegretol&grapefruit to pull the sites for me that I'm pretty sure worked
some weeks ago.  G./

> > Try do a search then on Tegretol.  (I once got it from google by searching
> > tegretol&grapefruit  but it didn't find that this afternoon.)
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> > http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-t01.html#Head_5     Other was
> > http://www.peacehealth.org/kbase/multum/d00058al.htm      (I didn't go
back
> > and check those 2 after I typed them.)
> >
> > Content of One I found- when I mention Grapefruit here.  Below is Cut
from above site -->
> > Interactions:
> > See Contraindications. Plasma levels of carbamazepine increased by
macrolide
> > antibiotics, isoniazid, verapamil, danazol, fluvoxamine, grapefruit juice,
> > azole antifungals, loratadine, ritonavir, diltiazem, fluoxetine,
cimetidine.
> > Carbamazepine
> > ***************************
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> Bye,
> Marco
PIPER - 05 Oct 2004 01:27 GMT
A few hours apart, i am on trileptal.

piper
> Certain AEDs are not to be taken with calcium - I know that Topamax is one.
> Are you taking them at the same time as your meds?
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> > > >
> > > > piper
 
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