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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / October 2004Flour, sugar, and seizures
Does anyone have any non-biased links on the subject of flour/sugars impact on seizures? The hits I got on google all seemed to involve a health food store or doctor trying to sell his book. Personally I see a connection between overeating foods rich in refined flour/sugar (such as corn chips, snack crackers, and pizza) and indicence of seizures but need some scientific evidence before I give up my vices :-( > Does anyone have any non-biased links on the subject of flour/sugars > impact on seizures? The hits I got on google all seemed to involve a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seizures but need some scientific evidence before I give up my vices > :-( No links but when I eat Fritos they dont tend to cause problems... I dont think. > Does anyone have any non-biased links on the subject of flour/sugars impact > on seizures? The hits I got on google all seemed to involve a health food > store or doctor trying to sell his book. Personally I see a connection > between overeating foods rich in refined flour/sugar (such as corn chips, > snack crackers, and pizza) and indicence of seizures but need some > scientific evidence before I give up my vices :-( Howdy Bill! I don't know of any... Sounds like somebody is leaving out a few steps in their deductive reasoning there. The only association that I can think of would be that flour & sugar can effect the amount of glucose in the blood. Low blood sugar can cause shaking (as opposed to seizures) -- I know 'cuz I also have diabetes! High or low blood sugar MIGHT be a seizure trigger in some cases. If, as I suspect, the latter is the case - than somebody is attempting to sell some snake oil... Although flour and sugar can increase blood sugars, they are not the ONLY things that can have the same effect.  SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message news:9KK7d.5712> Sounds like > > High or low blood sugar MIGHT be a seizure trigger in some cases. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Although flour and sugar can increase blood sugars, they are not the ONLY > things that can have the same effect. You're right, as always. Snake oil is a sure trigger. Mary > You're right, as always. > > Snake oil is a sure trigger. > > Mary For the Dutch folkes / not native English speaking community out there: this is an English expression. Had to load it into my Babylon online software dictionary to have it translated correctly. Without that dictionary, I would have killed my personal snake collection within seconds! Cheers, Marco Howdy Marco! For the folks whose primary language is not English. "snake oil" - an expression from patent medicine. Snake oil was one of the many "secret ingredients" that went into cure-all miracle medicines that people used to sell while traveling from town to town. Snake oil may sound impressive but it has absolutely no proven theraputic value. SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > > You're right, as always. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > Marco > "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message news:9KK7d.5712> > Sounds like > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mary Mary you are such a clown :-) However, I have always found low blood sugar to be a certain trigger for my seizures. Snake oil on the other hand, I can drink by the gallon. Darryl. >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > seizures. > Snake oil on the other hand, I can drink by the gallon. How much do you pay for a gallon? I'm sure I can do you a deal ... Mary > Darryl. > >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Mary Going rate per gallon of snake oil is two lucky rabbits feet, four hens teeth and a left rear tyre from an Edsel. But I'm prepared to negotiate..... Darryl. >> >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message >> >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > teeth and a left rear tyre from an Edsel. > But I'm prepared to negotiate..... Hmm. Only have two hens and they have the required complement of dentition. You'll have to up the lucky rabbits ... but Spouse is short of a left handed hammer ... Mary > >> >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Mary Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... Darryl. >> >> >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... I know that - what's it to do with the price of fish? Mary who loves being called sweetie :-) > Darryl. > >> >> >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Mary > who loves being called sweetie :-) FISH??? I thought we were talking about snake oil!!! Darryl. >> >> >> >> "Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:9KK7d.5712> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > FISH??? > I thought we were talking about snake oil!!! So did I - that's why I asked. Pondering over the problem in the long dark hours of the night I realised that you must use snake oil in your Edsel. We don't - but daily cod liver oil helps (I'm persuaded) with my personal rusty parts. Mary > Darryl. > >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mary I find that if I use my personal parts often enough they tend not to become rusted, though a regular application of oil feels good. Darryl. >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... >> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > become > rusted, though a regular application of oil feels good. Topical application of snake oil? Never heard of that. Doesn't it make the bed slimy? I prefer talc ... In my case it's the internal joints which need lubrication. The outside bits are in perfect working order. Sweetie :-) Mary > Darryl. > >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Mary Oh sweet sweetie sweets :-) ......I'm not even going there. This is a family show. Darryl. >> >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Oh sweet sweetie sweets :-) ......I'm not even going there. This is a > family show. It was about time we stopped meeting like this anyway, Howdy Dave might be looking ... 'Twas nice while it lasted. Keep taking the oil :-) Mary > Darryl. > >> >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Darryl. Howdy! Well... I'm looking on and off... As soon as you started talking about fish oil my mind turned to Thai food! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com >> >> >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Well... I'm looking on and off... Oops! > As soon as you started talking about fish oil my mind turned to Thai food! Well of COURSE we were talking about Thai food. Whatever that is ... :-) Mary > >> >> >> >> > Ummm, sweetie, an Edsel is a car..... > >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Mary Isn't thai food something to do with combining bondage and eating.......however, that could be a seizure trigger as well (just trying to keep with the epilepsy subject matter, so I don't get in trouble with the administration). Darryl. >> > As soon as you started talking about fish oil my mind turned to Thai > food! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Isn't thai food something to do with combining bondage and > eating....... I think that would be TIE food ... > however, that could be a seizure trigger as well (just trying > to keep with the epilepsy subject matter, so I don't get in trouble with > the > administration). It's not always easy when one's enjoying something ... ... OOPS! Is admin watching do you think? Who IS admin? Mary > Darryl. Off to East Anglia tomorrow, see you all next wek. Mary > Off to East Anglia tomorrow, see you all next wek. > > Mary See you Mary. Have fun and don't take too much snake oil......does strange things ;-) Darryl. >> Off to East Anglia tomorrow, see you all next wek. >> >> Mary > > See you Mary. Have fun and don't take too much snake oil......does strange > things ;-) So I've 'eard ... > Darryl. I hear they don't have any really good Chocolate Cake and Strawberries so snake oil may be useless ;) have fun ~"~ owlvee > Off to East Anglia tomorrow, see you all next wek. > > Mary >I hear they don't have any really good Chocolate Cake and Strawberries so >snake oil may be useless ;) It's a bit late for strawberries but daughter-in-law is a splendid cook and a chocoholic to boot so really good chocolate cake is no problem. She's a Scot so wouldn't use anything as expensive as snake oil in her recipes ... > have fun Thanks, we hope to. Mary > ~"~ > owlvee > >> Off to East Anglia tomorrow, see you all next wek. >> >> Mary Hi Bill! Actually there is a definitive link which forms the basis for the Ketogenic Diet. The basic principle is simple, during a state of fasting seizures of all types are dramatically reduced as the body burns fats as a source of energy vs the usual carbohydrates. This in turn produces ketone bodies which are known to control seizures. The Ketogenic Diet mimics the fasting state and is composed of mainly fats (buttter, cream, oil, mayonnaise), almost no carbs and just enough protein to sustain growth. It has been used primarily on kids (1 yr - 17 yrs) with difficult to control seizures and can actually cause the children to be seizure and med free after 2 years. 60-70% of the children on the diet have had at least some control of their seizures. Not all doctors recognize the treatment and it is very difficult to maintain as the diet is extremely strict. Our 23 month old daughter has been on the diet for 6 days and her seizures are reduced 90% thus far; she has gone from 20-30 seizures/day to 2-4. Some references are below. Carl ;-) The Ketogenic Diet: A Treatment for Epilepsy, 3rd Edition by John Mark Freeman, Jennifer B. Freeman, Millicent T. Kelly, Jim Abrahams, John, M. Freeman M.D., Jennifer, B., Freeman http://www.charliefoundation.org/ Anticonvulsant Propertiesof Acetone, A Brain Ketone elevated by the Ketogenic Diet, Sergie S. Likhodii, Irina Serbanescu, Miguel Cortez, Patricia Murphy, O. Carter Snead III, W. McIntyre Burnham, Ann Neurol 2003; 54; 219-226 "The Efficacy of the Ketogenic Diet-1998: A Prospective Evaluation of Intervention in 150 Children", John M. Freeman, MD; Eileen P. G. Vining, MD; Diana J. Pillas, BA; Paula L. Pyzik, BA;Jane C. Casey, RN, LCSW; and Millicent T. Kelly, RD, LD (1358 PEDIATRICS Vol. 102 No. 6 December 1998) Ketogenic Diet for the Treatment of Refractory Epilepsy in Children:A Systematic Review of Efficacy, Frank Lefevre, MD*?, and Naomi Aronson, PhD? (PEDIATRICS Vol. 105 No. 4 April 2000 1 of 7) > Does anyone have any non-biased links on the subject of flour/sugars impact > on seizures? The hits I got on google all seemed to involve a health food > store or doctor trying to sell his book. Personally I see a connection > between overeating foods rich in refined flour/sugar (such as corn chips, > snack crackers, and pizza) and indicence of seizures but need some > scientific evidence before I give up my vices :-( Thanks for the info Carl! I'd heard about the Ketogenic diet before but not in such great detail. Hi Bill! Actually there is a definitive link which forms the basis for the Ketogenic Diet. The basic principle is simple, during a state of fasting seizures of all types are dramatically reduced as the body burns fats as a source of energy vs the usual carbohydrates. This in turn produces ketone bodies which are known to control seizures. The Ketogenic Diet mimics the fasting state and is composed of mainly fats (buttter, cream, oil, mayonnaise), almost no carbs and just enough protein to sustain growth. It has been used primarily on kids (1 yr - 17 yrs) with difficult to control seizures and can actually cause the children to be seizure and med free after 2 years. 60-70% of the children on the diet have had at least some control of their seizures. Not all doctors recognize the treatment and it is very difficult to maintain as the diet is extremely strict. Our 23 month old daughter has been on the diet for 6 days and her seizures are reduced 90% thus far; she has gone from 20-30 seizures/day to 2-4. Some references are below. Carl ;-) The Ketogenic Diet: A Treatment for Epilepsy, 3rd Edition by John Mark Freeman, Jennifer B. Freeman, Millicent T. Kelly, Jim Abrahams, John, M. Freeman M.D., Jennifer, B., Freeman http://www.charliefoundation.org/ Anticonvulsant Propertiesof Acetone, A Brain Ketone elevated by the Ketogenic Diet, Sergie S. Likhodii, Irina Serbanescu, Miguel Cortez, Patricia Murphy, O. Carter Snead III, W. McIntyre Burnham, Ann Neurol 2003; 54; 219-226 "The Efficacy of the Ketogenic Diet-1998: A Prospective Evaluation of Intervention in 150 Children", John M. Freeman, MD; Eileen P. G. Vining, MD; Diana J. Pillas, BA; Paula L. Pyzik, BA;Jane C. Casey, RN, LCSW; and Millicent T. Kelly, RD, LD (1358 PEDIATRICS Vol. 102 No. 6 December 1998) Ketogenic Diet for the Treatment of Refractory Epilepsy in Children:A Systematic Review of Efficacy, Frank Lefevre, MD*?, and Naomi Aronson, PhD? (PEDIATRICS Vol. 105 No. 4 April 2000 1 of 7) "Bill X" <ibrunning@aol.com> wrote in message news:cjncr7$mpo$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com... > Does anyone have any non-biased links on the subject of flour/sugars impact > on seizures? The hits I got on google all seemed to involve a health food > store or doctor trying to sell his book. Personally I see a connection > between overeating foods rich in refined flour/sugar (such as corn chips, > snack crackers, and pizza) and indicence of seizures but need some > scientific evidence before I give up my vices :-( > > |
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