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ian mccabe - 04 Sep 2004 18:36 GMT
hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this common
thanks
look after yourselfs
ian
Charani - 04 Sep 2004 19:36 GMT
> hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this common
> thanks
> look after yourselfs

It can vary tremendously.

Some of my son's are over and done with in under a minute, others last
2-3 minutes or more and he'll sleep afterwards for anything from 10
mins to an hour.

The worst one that my daughter ever had lasted almost 6 hours from the
time it started to the time she went from being unconscious to
sleeping.  That was the second of three that she had over a 5 year
period.

She's now been discharged as no longer being epileptic after two clear
EEGs and no fits for over 3 years.  They were due to stress and the
cause has been removed :))
ian mccabe - 04 Sep 2004 23:20 GMT
if you don't mind me asking what was the stress
I had a fit after lots of stress of moving house and building race cars for
24 hour race
I had fit and it lasted over 1.5 hours and they air lifted me to hospital
where I woke up next day
thanks
Ian

> > hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> > I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this common
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> EEGs and no fits for over 3 years.  They were due to stress and the
> cause has been removed :))
Charani - 05 Sep 2004 10:09 GMT
> if you don't mind me asking what was the stress
> I had a fit after lots of stress of moving house and building race cars for
> 24 hour race
> I had fit and it lasted over 1.5 hours and they air lifted me to hospital
> where I woke up next day
> thanks

The stress was caused by my divorce and the ex was telling my daughter
things that she knew were untrue; worst of it was that he managed to
convince my mother and sister that what he was saying was the truth
and so my daughter was getting snide, and sometimes vicious, comments
from both of them as well.  She also said that he was interferring
with her which she also knew was wrong.  It was all too much for a 7
year old to cope with.  Mercifully she hasn't seen any one of the
three for two years now. She's had a stepfather she adores and who
adores her for the last three years.  She feels safe now because she
knows that her stepfather will protect all of us.

My daughter was in hospital for 48 hours after that really bad fit.

Last month we went to an adventure park and my daughter, who's now 10,
climbed 30ft up a tree and went down on a 60ft zip wire thing (you
know the sort of thing I mean?).  If anything was going to cause her
to fit, that would have but she didn't.  So her paediatrician is right
to discharge her.

I can understand the stress involved in moving house and building cars
for a 24-hour race, especially if you were doing the two things at the
same time.  Moving house is apparently the most stressful situation
there is, according to the experts.  It can certainly be a nightmare.
Was the race Le Mans or Indy??  I used to do motor race marshalling
many years ago.

Try not to worry too much about the fit.  Try to take a deep breath
and say "OK, this has happened but I'm going to get on with my life
now."  If you can manage to avoid having too many stressful things
going on at once, so much the better.  

I know that's all easier said than done :))
turbinado - 05 Sep 2004 01:25 GMT
My grand mal seizures have never lasted for more than 5 minutes. I was told
that if the convulsions last for more than 5 minutes, it's considered
"status epilepticus", which is a medical emergency. On the other hand, it
can take much longer to regain consciousness following the seizure - up to
an hour in my case, but it varies each time.

> hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this common
> thanks
> look after yourselfs
> ian
gaross - 05 Sep 2004 03:47 GMT
  Julie's Idaho first aid chart and (I think) Ep. Foundation of America
suggest to call for medical help if the seizure lasts more than 5 or 10
minutes.  (It used to be 10 but some first aid charts changed it to 5.  In
severe seizures if attention isn't used to bring it under control there's
risk, in some types, of brain damage.  At least that's what I was told. )
G./

> My grand mal seizures have never lasted for more than 5 minutes. I was told
> that if the convulsions last for more than 5 minutes, it's considered
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> > look after yourselfs
> > ian
Mary Fisher - 05 Sep 2004 11:36 GMT
>  I was told
> that if the convulsions last for more than 5 minutes, it's considered
> "status epilepticus", which is a medical emergency.

That's interesting - what kind of medical intervention can be effective?

Mary
turbinado - 06 Sep 2004 02:43 GMT
My guess is, pumping you full of anticonvulsants.

> >  I was told
> > that if the convulsions last for more than 5 minutes, it's considered
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>
> Mary
Satch - 06 Sep 2004 06:25 GMT
> My guess is, pumping you full of anticonvulsants.

Correct, that is what those guys are best in whether you like it or not.

Cheers,
Marco
Mary Fisher - 06 Sep 2004 12:34 GMT
> > My guess is, pumping you full of anticonvulsants.
>
> Correct, that is what those guys are best in whether you like it or not.

In that case I  hope that if I have a fit which lasts longer than the magic
time those around me will have the sense not to call the medics.

Mary

> Cheers,
> Marco
gaross - 06 Sep 2004 15:09 GMT
> > > My guess is, pumping you full of anticonvulsants.
> >
> > Correct, that is what those guys are best in whether you like it or not.
**G*SEE BELOW "Do not resuscitate"

> In that case I  hope that if I have a fit which lasts longer than the magic
> time those around me will have the sense not to call the medics.
*********************************************************

> Mary
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marco

G.**If you were serious about above reply Mary (sometimes I can't tell),
there's an Option you can get on your Medic Alert Bracelet that says Do Not
Resusitate.     Frankly I don't understand the Logic of that.
   You wouldn't have to pay for the Ambulance if you were seizing for
Longer than the Time where **Brain Damage and ***imminent Death had set in.
"If someone is standing around you in a medical emergency you Hope they will
have the sense to not call for help? "...  Machiavelli right?    :-<
/G.
Mary Fisher - 06 Sep 2004 16:13 GMT
> > > > My guess is, pumping you full of anticonvulsants.
> > >
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> > >
> G.**If you were serious about above reply Mary (sometimes I can't tell),

I'm sorry about that, it's one of my many faults that I can't resist making
a merry quip, but I was serious in this case.

I don't know what it's like in USA but in UK I feel that there's far too
much unecessary medical intervention in all conditions from nosebleeds to
childbirth.

> there's an Option you can get on your Medic Alert Bracelet that says Do Not
> Resusitate.

I don't have a Medic Alert bracelet.

>     Frankly I don't understand the Logic of that.

No, it does seem like a contradiction in terms. But I'd have thought that
the Medic Alert would cover more conditions than epilepsy. For instance, a
daughter in law and two grandchildren (unrelated) have Type 1 diabetes. If
they went hypo away from those who knew how to deal with it it would be
sensible to have professional intervention. However, for them to have to
stay in hospital for a couple of days afterwards is an intervention too far.

>     You wouldn't have to pay for the Ambulance

We don't do that either ...

> if you were seizing for
> Longer than the Time where **Brain Damage and ***imminent Death had set in.
> "If someone is standing around you in a medical emergency you Hope they will
> have the sense to not call for help? "...  Machiavelli right?    :-<

I suppose I'm wondering why seizures are medical emergencies. I've never
witnessed one which didn't end in 100% recovery, with absolutly no
intervention.

What's the death rate for brain damage as the result of a prolonged fit?

And why was 15 minutes (or whatever it was) chosen as the cut-off time?

I'm serious.

Mary
Dave ???? - 06 Sep 2004 19:24 GMT
Howdy!

"Do not Resuscitate" is generally understood to mean:

Do not put me on life support if it will only extend my life in a vegetative
state without reasonable hope for recovery.

It's a fairly striaghtforward decision when it comes to "whether or not to
plug me in"
BUT
"whether or not to pull the plug" opens a whole 'nuther can of worms!

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Dave ????

http://www.howdydave.com

Dave ???? - 06 Sep 2004 19:34 GMT
> Howdy!
>
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> BUT
> "whether or not to pull the plug" opens a whole 'nuther can of worms!

Howdy!

This issue is one of the reasons why I have a living will (aka Healthcare
Proxy) on file at my doctors office and have a copy on file with MedicAlert!

Dave
Mary Fisher - 06 Sep 2004 21:26 GMT
> Howdy!
>
> This issue is one of the reasons why I have a living will (aka Healthcare
> Proxy) on file at my doctors office and have a copy on file with MedicAlert!

Do you trust Them to take any notice of it?

Mary

> Dave
Dave ???? - 11 Sep 2004 03:25 GMT
> > Howdy!
> >
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>
> Mary

Howdy Mary!

Not especially...

But at least they will know that they are doing it against my wishes and
explicit instructions!

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Dave ????

http://www.howdydave.com

Mary Fisher - 11 Sep 2004 11:50 GMT
> > > Howdy!
> > >
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> But at least they will know that they are doing it against my wishes and
> explicit instructions!

I hope you have a clause saying that you'll come back and haunt them if they
don't ...

Mary
Mary Fisher - 06 Sep 2004 21:25 GMT
> Howdy!
>
> "Do not Resuscitate" is generally understood to mean:
>
> Do not put me on life support if it will only extend my life in a vegetative
> state without reasonable hope for recovery.

Quite.

Mary

Kiss kiss ...
Satch - 06 Sep 2004 06:24 GMT
> My grand mal seizures have never lasted for more than 5 minutes. I was
> told
> that if the convulsions last for more than 5 minutes, it's considered
> "status epilepticus", which is a medical emergency. On the other hand, it
> can take much longer to regain consciousness following the seizure - up to
> an hour in my case, but it varies each time.

Hello,

Exactly, after grand mal people fall in a deep sleep which can take some
time (depending on the person).

Look at the following website for status epilepticus definition:
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/glossary.html

Cheers,
Marco
Satch - 06 Sep 2004 06:20 GMT
> hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this
> common
> thanks
> look after yourselfs
> ian

Hello,

A seizure that takes one hour is not common. Have a look at:
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/glossary.html

It defines status epilepticus:

Status epilepticus: A prolonged seizure (usually defined as lasting longer
than 30 minutes) or a series of repeated seizures; a continuous state of
seizure activity; may occur in almost any seizure type. Status epilepticus
is a medical emergency, and medical help should be obtained immediately.

There are however a couple of episodes that are not really a "seizure" but
may count as well:
http://www.epilepsy.com/articles/ar_1063754930.html

Cheers,
Marco
Eric - 10 Sep 2004 18:05 GMT
> > hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> > I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Cheers,
> Marco

I have a 1st cousin (it runs in the family) who has had only one
seizure in her teens and she is now in her 30s.  Her grand mal was
lasting a long time (I don't know exactly how long).  They finally
took her in an ambulance for 90 miles to another hospital (she lived
out in the boonies).  She convulsed all of the way.

Eric
Mary Fisher - 10 Sep 2004 20:56 GMT
> > > hi please could you tell me how long your fits last
> > > I was told I had epilepsy after I had a fit for over an hour is this
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> took her in an ambulance for 90 miles to another hospital (she lived
> out in the boonies).  She convulsed all of the way.

And then what?

Mary

> Eric
Eric - 11 Sep 2004 04:05 GMT
> > "Satch" <satch@planet.nl> wrote in message
>  news:<chgs3d$h2g$1@reader13.wxs.nl>...
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> >
> > Eric

Mary,

Oh, sorry. I was really wanting to know if anyone has heard worse.
She was put on Tegretol and left in two days after tests. She has been
fine ever since.

Eric
Mary Fisher - 11 Sep 2004 11:52 GMT
> > > "Satch" <satch@planet.nl> wrote in message
> >  news:<chgs3d$h2g$1@reader13.wxs.nl>...
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> She was put on Tegretol and left in two days after tests. She has been
> fine ever since.

My belief is confirmed to some extent by the above. she was taken on a long
journey to a hospital where she was treated much as she could have been at
home.

I really do believe that there's too much unecessary medical intervention
for very many situations.

Mary

> Eric
Satch - 11 Sep 2004 09:22 GMT
> I have a 1st cousin (it runs in the family) who has had only one
> seizure in her teens and she is now in her 30s.  Her grand mal was
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Eric

Hello,

Sorry to hear this Eric that your cousin had to go this way for 90 miles in
the ambulance. My doctor / neurologist gave me something called diazepam
which can be given rectally. The pharmacist gave me a easy to read diagram
with the "how to insert this", etc. I do not know what happens when someone
other then paramedics founds this in my jacket while I have a seizure with
complete loss of consiousness, but I wear it together with my medical
passport just for safety reasons. There is of course no way I can insert
this myself. It is really first aid to prevent I become a "status
epilepticus" / to prevent brain damage, etc.

It is however a shame that (not all) paramedics (throughout the world) don't
have this in their first aid kid for persons that really need it / for
persons that are suffering from prolonged convulsions / seizures happening
in clusters, etc. which do not stop automatically. Have a look at:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/epilepsy010829.html

For your information, diazepam given rectally may be helpful in treating
prolonged convulsions but this is something you already noticed of course.

Hopefully this helps?

Cheers,
Marco
gaross - 11 Sep 2004 15:40 GMT
> > I have a 1st cousin (it runs in the family) who has had only one
> > seizure in her teens and she is now in her 30s.  Her grand mal was
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Cheers,
> Marco

Depending on the seizure type, they use Ativan Sublingual 1mg (Lorazepam),
in Canada,   that the patient can put under their tongue to dissolve into
blood vessels from there in under 5 minutes.   This depends on the patient
being alert enough so they can do this themselves or with help.
   Lorazepam is also used by Injection at hospitals, by a *Doctor  (the
same ones who'd have to write the script for Tegretol earlier in this
thread - we can't buy that at a 5 and Dime store here).
   Both of those (in my opinion) are easier to give and less invasive than
the Rectal version discussed elsewhere here. But it would depend on if the
Ativan could be used for G.mals as well as my Complex Partial type.

   Status  Ep.  (repeated uncontrolled seizures) can cause Brain Damage and
Death.  I'm sorry if this is a burden to a Doctor to solve for me.    G.
 
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