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Opinions of Lamictal?

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Theo - 26 Aug 2004 17:52 GMT
Hi

Looks like Im going to be trying a different med to combat my partials. I
had a bad one right in front of my new neuro yesterday. As soon as I was
able to get my wits back (about 30 minutes later) I started feeling really
embarrased. But obviously what Im taking now isnt working
(tegretol/keppra). So starting yesterday I will be building up Lamictal
over the next 5 weeks, and after that decreasing the Keppra (which I only
started taking to control the partials in the first place). I know to watch
out for the rash problem for the next few days, and tiredness. Anyone else
have firsthand experiences with it they would like to pass on?

Thx
Pablo - 26 Aug 2004 20:49 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Thx

g'day theo,
i've been taking lamictal (400mg) for twelve months or so now and i've found
it does the job, seemingly without any side effects. i take it with as an
adjunct to tegretol and together they give me almost complete control, just
the odd aura every couple months or so. when i took topomax i was nearly a
vegetable, when i switched to lamictal i was back to my old self and memory
was seemingly unaffected so i'd guess you'd have to say i'm fairly happy
with it.
pablo
Theo - 26 Aug 2004 22:43 GMT
> g'day theo,
> i've been taking lamictal (400mg) for twelve months or so now and i've
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> guess you'd have to say i'm fairly happy with it.
> pablo

g'day back

I must say during the first day this stuff kicked my butt good (the jury is
out on day #2), and its only 50mg/day to start with. Goes up to 100/day in
2 weeks. 200/day 2 weeks after that.
Happily Apathetic - 27 Aug 2004 10:58 GMT
Hi Theo.

I have been on Lamictal for 4 years with no other side effects other than
tiredness. I need to get @ least 8hrs sleep a night (but rarely do!) Other
than that the only side effect has been seizure free
living.................. Good luck!

Craig

> > g'day theo,
> > i've been taking lamictal (400mg) for twelve months or so now and i've
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> out on day #2), and its only 50mg/day to start with. Goes up to 100/day in
> 2 weeks. 200/day 2 weeks after that.
cabbagecaff - 23 Sep 2004 08:30 GMT
Craig and Isabelle, you have made me feel that there may be normal life for
us in the future after all.
My husband Ian has just had 2 fits in 3 weeks -first ever and he is 41. He
has been started on Lamictal yesterday 25mg, to be increased to 50mg in 2
weeks time. At this presice moment I feel that the life we had before , of
freedom, independance and relaxation has gone forever. It is almost like a
death, because I feel I have lost the man I had before - I am sorry to
sound so dramatic, but that is what I feel. It is not that I am feeling
sorry for myself - I am sorry for him, because he is going to feel more
dependant on me, and not able to go and do the things he always did - like
fishing.
I want him to take the tablets and be guarenteed to be seizure free for
ever, and I know that is never going to happen.
Does everyone who has this problem feel as crap as I do -that their life
is over? I know in time I will feel better, but will I EVER be able to
relax again, and not be listening for the crahs as he hits the floor? I
just can't tell you all how devastating this is - or maybe I am normal,
and I am talking to others equally poleaxed by it? Please help me feel
hopeful again.
Thankyou all for listening
Cathy  
Isabelle - 23 Sep 2004 18:11 GMT
Dear Cathy

You must think positive, things do become better, given  a little time.  It
is still early for you both.  We are all here for you.

I am on 150 lamictal, 50 am and 100 pm and am under control along with
tegretol retard 600mg.

You will have a life you enjoy.  All is not lost.  You will have
indepantance. Just not be able to spell certain words like me. A little
patience is what you need.  Let us know how things go.

Lots of love

Isabelle
gaross - 23 Sep 2004 18:42 GMT
> Craig and Isabelle, you have made me feel that there may be normal life for
> us in the future after all.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Thankyou all for listening
> Cathy

  I don't know if Lamictal is like the Dilantin, Tegretol and Clobazam I've
used at various times since 1993, but it's important that he follow the
Doctor's 'dosing rate'  and not miss or purposely 'skip'   any doses.   If
they do Bloodwork to check how the med. is being absorbed, they will assume
he's taking it at xx mg twice a day or whatever is the rate they've asked
him to use.    If the bloodwork were to show the levels as lower than they
expected (depends on body weight and metabolism, etc.),  they might UP the
dose to beyond what he should need.
   So long as he follows the rates set out, you both and his Dr. will be
able to find a dose level that will give him Maximum Control, without being
above or below the optimum level.

   The World has not ended !! :-<   It just FEELS that way.   Give the
Medicines and Doctors a chance to get him to optimum control, and stick
around here.   More than 95% ?? of the people who are posting here were
where you are now once, and have now either achieved 100% control   OR have
achieved far better control than we ever thought possilble.
   This is an International Support Group so you may get answers to some of
your questions over the next 48 hours.  One of the 'blessings' of this
group, is if you don't get an answer to your concerns or questions 'today'
on your timezone, you might get an answer overnight or tomorrow.   We have
people from the UK and Europe,  the U.S. and Canada, sometimes South America
and even Australia and New Zealand.
  And we have lots of people who have used Lamictal with varying success --
most good some who had to change to other pills.
  I had an older post that listed about 5 support information sites you can
look through at your leisure.   If I find a recent version I'll send it to
you Inline direct.
  In the meantime if you see any posts by Dave or Julie they list their
websites at end of their posts, and http://efa.org  is the U.S. Ep.
Foundation of America which has a Medications Glossary within its
information.     Your Pharmacist should have given him a printout with New
Pills if there's anything he should avoid (often alcohol, but sometimes
other things conflict too).   I seem to remember posts about some people
getting a rash using that, but I don't know what percent of total Lamictal
users they represented.  That was an indication that  an allergic reaction
might be triggered and they had to change to Other medications.  There are
Lots of other medications.    But if he's able to get control with what he's
using,  it can take e.g. 2-3 weeks to get to a Therapeutic Level in his
blood, then he's home free.

   I was told I might 'hope for'  2-3 seizures per Month (!!) as a Target
to hope for in 1993.   Last 2 seizures I had were Dec. 1997, and June 1998.
G./
Kennethimpey - 28 Sep 2004 14:51 GMT
Cathy
So sorry to read that Ian had another one.
My thoughts are with you both, be strong together you'll get through this.
hopefully you both will be stronger. I can't see any reason why you can't
go fishing.
Best Wishes
Kenny
David Ruether - 24 Sep 2004 14:02 GMT
> Craig and Isabelle, you have made me feel that there may be normal life for
> us in the future after all.
> My husband Ian has just had 2 fits in 3 weeks -first ever and he is 41. He
> has been started on Lamictal yesterday 25mg, to be increased to 50mg in 2
> weeks time.

You have probably been instructed to watch for a rash with
Lamictal and to report it immediately - this is VERY important,
hard as that is to believe. A rare but very serious side effect of
Lamictal can be that rash. Otherwise Lamictal seems to be
quite safe...

> At this presice moment I feel that the life we had before , of
> freedom, independance and relaxation has gone forever. It is almost like a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> dependant on me, and not able to go and do the things he always did - like
> fishing.

As others have pointed out, life may have changed, but this
is not necessarily the end of things as as you knew them.
Your relationship may have changed for the "moment" (I
have been very dependent on my partner for a year now),
but with the right medication(s) and dosing, if good control
or improvement can be achieved (very often possible),
your husband can return to most activities. I stopped
driving voluntarily, and the boat sits in the parking lot - but
I now take walks alone (I'm down from as many as 20
"events" a day to a couple...) and go out without my partner
with friends who know how to "handle" me if there is a
problem. I do not have "grand mals" (I'm thankful for that!),
but someone I knew did, and I was with him during two.
They can be scary for the observer, but hard as it may to
be to believe now, once you understand what is and is not
needed on your part during these events, your feelings may
change for the better. A GM takes over your husband for
only a few minutes - then after a short recovery time, he is
"back" (and these are relatively rare compared with some
other types of seizures...).

> I want him to take the tablets and be guaranteed to be seizure free for
> ever, and I know that is never going to happen.

Many people gain excellent control...

> Does everyone who has this problem feel as crap as I do -that their life
> is over? I know in time I will feel better, but will I EVER be able to
> relax again, and not be listening for the crahs as he hits the floor?

Yes, very likely...

> I just can't tell you all how devastating this is - or maybe I am normal,
> and I am talking to others equally poleaxed by it? Please help me feel
> hopeful again.

Read the replies of others - they've "been there"...

> Thankyou all for listening
> Cathy

Anytime!
--DR
Satch - 25 Sep 2004 08:15 GMT
> My husband Ian has just had 2 fits in 3 weeks -first ever and he is 41. He
> has been started on Lamictal yesterday 25mg, to be increased to 50mg in 2
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thankyou all for listening
> Cathy

Hello,

Worst part of epilepsy is the period while being diagnosed: waiting on
results of tests and trial and error stuff of medications which may or may
not help. At this point, it is important to start reading about epilepsy so
that you (both) know what doctors/neurologists are talking about. This
newsgroup, the Internet and some good books will certainly help to gain
control again over your live and his live. Starting reading about epilepsy
also means that you somehow "accept" that this is now part of your (new)
live.

Yes, live changes when someone in your personal live is diagnosed or when
you are being diagnosed yourself with epilepsy. The possibility to drive,
the possibility to relax without being worried about the next seizure, any
personality changes: this will have to be dealt with. In addition,
coworkers, family, friends, relatives, etc. will have to be informed what
might happen before, during and after a seizure and they also need to know
what to do while such an event is happening. You will have to understand
that for all these people, this might be also a quite scarry event and some
of them might even not heard about it or might not even have seen someone
with epilepsy though lots of people have epilepsy with a complete normal
live.

There will be positive reactions and there will be not so positive reactions
unfortunately. This is because people react in different ways. Again, at
this point, having a complete but general understanding of epilepsy in
general may remove their fears and any prejudices they might have.

Right now, your husband needs your full attention, your full support, not
having to be worried about you as he is the one that has drops attacks as
you described. Live isn't over at this point -though I do understand you
completely and I am now remembering this dark period in February 2004 when I
had my first grand mal / tonic clonic seizure which looks like what you
described regarding what your husband is experiencing. During that period: I
reported myself ill, stayed at home, I was completely scared for any next
seizure / I was completely worried what people might think, etc. After a
couple of weeks -while nothing happened though I did not feel happy, people
start saying to me that this may be just one seizure and that I should stop
worrying and go out again. They meant it very well, but really I did not
fell that way. During my first EEG test, epileptic activity was found and
then people start saying, hey man, there are good medications available,
etc. I still was not sure and not happy with the situation. Now, it is
September and I have not had any more seizures, I go out again, I started
sporting again and I am taking 1000 mg of Depakene Chrono (Depakote in US I
believe). My drivers license has not yet been returned (I will possibly get
it back February 2005), I cannot take a bath without someone watching me, I
cannot swim without someone watching me (I used to swim daily to prevent RSI
(Computer Related Repetitive Strain Injury as I am working in the IT
business). In stead of swimming, I started playing tennis (though I will
start swimming in February without someone watching me) and I am having much
fun.

I guess it all depends how you (both) deal with it but for now: yeah, it is
a bad period. Good luck to you both.

Bye,
Marco
Pablo - 27 Aug 2004 13:04 GMT
g'day theo,
i never noticed a thing when i started on it. after 6 - 8 weeks you should
settle down ok.
pablo

> > g'day theo,
> > i've been taking lamictal (400mg) for twelve months or so now and i've
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> out on day #2), and its only 50mg/day to start with. Goes up to 100/day in
> 2 weeks. 200/day 2 weeks after that.
David Ruether - 29 Aug 2004 16:16 GMT
> > g'day theo,
> > i've been taking lamictal (400mg) for twelve months or so now and i've
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > guess you'd have to say i'm fairly happy with it.
> > pablo

> g'day back
>
> I must say during the first day this stuff kicked my butt good (the jury is
> out on day #2), and its only 50mg/day to start with. Goes up to 100/day in
> 2 weeks. 200/day 2 weeks after that.

WHEW!
My neurolgist friend (who worked on studies with safe dosing
with Lamictal) started me on Lamictal at 2.5mg twice a day,
with VERY slight increases each week (added to Depakote ER
2500mg/day, which took care of the "jerks-'n'-jitters"), for partials.
While I'm only at 25mg/day now (after many weeks), I have had
some itching, a few vision "twitches", and some hand shakiness
(but no rash so far - that one is dangerous). I'm amazed that you
were started at 50mg/day, to go up so rapidly. Those 2mg and
5mg sizes of Lamictal are for *something*... (and they taste good,
too - blackberry, unlike the very bitter 25s...;-).
--DR
Theo - 29 Aug 2004 19:15 GMT
"David Ruether" <rpn1@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote in news:ermYc.3736
$B91.2961@trndny08:

> WHEW!
> My neurolgist friend (who worked on studies with safe dosing
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> too - blackberry, unlike the very bitter 25s...;-).
> --DR

The packet I was given already had all the daily doses in their own little
bubbles. Perhaps my problem right then and there was worse than I figured.
Plus, this is going to be a replacement for keppra, which isnt working
well for me. So perhaps the idea was to get me to a higher dose and reduce
it if need be. I do have some twitches once in a while but not bad... I
can type ok ;o) As for taste, anything is better than the (what is it,
carpamapazine?) that disolves instantly and tastes terrible. No rash for
me yet either. Yup just looked again to be sure, no rash.
Bob - 29 Aug 2004 20:48 GMT
> "David Ruether" <rpn1@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote in news:ermYc.3736
> $B91.2961@trndny08:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> carpamapazine?) that disolves instantly and tastes terrible. No rash for
> me yet either. Yup just looked again to be sure, no rash.

The explanation for the differing dosages would appear to be in the following
which shows a lower doasage for those taking Valproate (Depakote) like Dave
is:
"it is important to increase the dose of lamotrigine slowly. a typical
starting dose is 50 mg/d for two weeks. after two weeks, the dose may be
increased to 50 mg twice daily for another two weeks. After this time,
lamotrigine may be increased 100 mg/d every 1-2 weeks. for the treatment of
epilepsy, a maintenance dose is typically 300-500 mg/day.

if someone is concomitantly taking valproate, the initial starting dose of
lamotrigine is 25mg every other day for two weeks, followed by 25 mg/d for
another two weeks. the maximum daily dose of lamotrigine for people taking
valproate is 150 mg/d."

The above info is found at:
<http://www.stanford.edu/~johnbrks/theCafe/psychopharm/mood%20stabilizers/lamotri
gine.html
>

I also took Lamictal, but got the rash and had to quit quickly and be given
other drugs to help with the rash. Too bad, because it had been helping my
condition.

Bob
Theo - 30 Aug 2004 00:39 GMT
> "it is important to increase the dose of lamotrigine slowly. a typical
> starting dose is 50 mg/d for two weeks. after two weeks, the dose may be
> increased to 50 mg twice daily for another two weeks. After this time,
> lamotrigine may be increased 100 mg/d every 1-2 weeks.

this is what the packet is set at, as a 5 week plan. I had a minor bit of
disorientation for a couple minutes this morning... or maybe best decribed
as an odd sensation. But it didnt affect my ability to do anything or
communicate. Alot better then when I couldnt understand someone saying "see
jane run". Maybe its the noise of those gas powered scooters. There are
alot of them in this area ;o)
Isabelle - 27 Aug 2004 18:10 GMT
Dear Theo

I have been on Lamictal 150 mg a day for 14 years now and that is the drug,
along side tegretol retard 600 mg and frisium 10 mg that has kept me seizure
free for all that time.

No side effects for me, even if i have a short nights sleep.

Good luck.

Lots of love

Isabelle
Theo - 27 Aug 2004 20:51 GMT
> Dear Theo
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Isabelle

By the time Im up to 1000tegretol, 1500keppra, and 200 lamictal Im
probably going to feel horrible... but maybe I will get lucky. :o)
Eric - 28 Aug 2004 01:09 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Thx

Theo,

I take 300mg of Lamictal daily combined with 3500mg of Keppra now.  My
neuro calls Lamictal and Keppra the "dynamite combination."  The two
difficult side effects with Lamictal were tremors and insomnia.  Then
he put me on Keppra and weened back the Lamictal to a tolerable level.
This combination is the first time my seizures (many severe kinds)
have ever been under control except still having problems with simple
partial auras.

Good Luck,

Eric
Theo - 28 Aug 2004 07:00 GMT
>> Hi
>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Eric

The tegretol keeps the major problems under control, and keppra was
supposed to handle the partials, but it isnt. Im not sure it ever did
since I thought maybe the problems I was having was medicine related.

Last couple days I dunno if Ive been getting tremors but I have been
feeling nervous for part of the day. Or maybe its like Ive been on
caffeine. After that I have had to take short naps around 6 because I just
cant keep my eyes open anymore. That tends to happen when I change medcine
doses.
Carl Weatherell - 28 Aug 2004 16:52 GMT
My 22 mos old is on Keppra/Lamictal/Depakote (gettin' rid of Clonazapam)

I have seen the side effects repoprted here (insomnia, tremours);  Any
problems with balance/dizziness?

Our neuro team attributes her unsteadiness to nocturnal seizures, I'm more
inclined to believe it is caused by meds.

Comments?

Carl ;-)

> >> Hi
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> cant keep my eyes open anymore. That tends to happen when I change medcine
> doses.
Theo - 28 Aug 2004 19:07 GMT
"Carl Weatherell" <carl.weatherell@sympatico.com> wrote in news:gT1Yc.35382
$DG.1986765@news20.bellglobal.com:

> I have seen the side effects repoprted here (insomnia, tremours);  Any
> problems with balance/dizziness?

I had some balance problems the first day, especially after the first pill.
Walking around the house I would tend to use my hand/arm as a guide. Seems
ok now.
Eric - 29 Aug 2004 03:09 GMT
> My 22 mos old is on Keppra/Lamictal/Depakote (gettin' rid of Clonazapam)
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Carl ;-)

always.ejwsites.net

Carl,

My head was shaking a whole bunch before my neuro cut back some on the
Lamictal, practically my whole body.  I did have a little dizziness
and balance problems every once in a while because of this.  I still
shake in the hands.

Eric
Outlook Express News - 06 Dec 2004 19:09 GMT
Hi,
Why on earth should YOU be embarrassed? You had a seizure in the very best place you could have! In front of your new doctor!
You have an illness, never be ashamed of it! It's no great privilege, but it's not dishonourable either:)
Lamictal is a strange drug in that it seems innocuous, doing nothing? But the stuff sneaks up on you and before long, you are as drowsy as hell!
good luck with it, Rich.

> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Thx
Theo - 06 Dec 2004 21:14 GMT
> Hi,
> Why on earth should YOU be embarrassed? You had a seizure in the very
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> innocuous, doing nothing? But the stuff sneaks up on you and before
> long, you are as drowsy as hell! good luck with it, Rich.

this is true. but its also normal for me to feel bad after they happen...
always does that.

As of yesterday keppra is finally outta here. lamictal is at 400 a day,
and now we are going to start pretty soon decreasing the tegretol (how
much I dont know), since its supposed to decrease the effectiveness of
lamitcal.

Actually Ive been feeling a bit more energetic since decreasing keppra.
But maybe its in my head... no pun intended.
Happily Apathetic - 08 Dec 2004 15:48 GMT
I was put on Lamictal in conjunction with Epilim (valproate). Initially I
was on the valproate but still had siezures.........since starting the
lamictal I have not even had (to my knowledge) any activity.

Good luck.
Craig

>> Hi,
>> Why on earth should YOU be embarrassed? You had a seizure in the very
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Actually Ive been feeling a bit more energetic since decreasing keppra.
> But maybe its in my head... no pun intended.
Theo - 08 Dec 2004 21:07 GMT
> I was put on Lamictal in conjunction with Epilim (valproate).
> Initially I was on the valproate but still had siezures.........since
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Good luck.
> Craig

thanks... had another one last night. maybe a reaction to getting off the
keppra (sunday). I had one before when dropping from 2 a day to 1, also 2
or 3 days afterwards, but not as bad. Im hoping its just that... a reaction
to getting off it. The plan next was to decrease tegretol, since I was told
it decreases the effectiveness of lamitcal. We shall see what happens after
my appt next week. :o)
 
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