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doe - 28 Aug 2004 15:18 GMT
Brain Res. 2004 Aug 6;1016(2):139-44.  Related Articles, Links  

 
Lipoic acid pretreatment attenuates ferric chloride-induced seizures in the
rat.

Meyerhoff JL, Lee JK, Rittase BW, Tsang AY, Yourick DL.

Division of Neuroscience, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, 503 Robert
Grant Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20910-7500, USA.
james.meyerhoff@na.amedd.army.mil

Traumatic brain injury (TBI) is often complicated by the occurrence of
seizures, which adversely affect clinical outcome. The risk of seizures
increases to the extent that the injury is associated with sub-arachnoid
hemorrhage and hematoma. A likely mechanism of seizure development post-TBI is
decompartmentalization of iron from extravasated hemoglobin (Hb). It is well
known that iron can catalyze formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS). Based
on this proposed mechanism, a descriptive model of TBI-induced seizures, using
intracortical injection of iron salts, was developed by Willmore. We have added
modifications to enhance the quantifiability of seizure activity and have used
the model to examine the therapeutic efficacy of lipoic acids (ROS-scavenging
antioxidants). Male SD rats were pretreated with alpha-lipoic acid (ALA) and
dihydrolipoic acid (DHLA) or appropriate vehicles. Under anesthesia, unilateral
intracortical infusions of ferric chloride were performed stereotaxically. EEG
was recorded via extradural electrodes. EEG was sampled for 10 s of every 60-s
interval over a 24-h period following injection of ferric chloride. We measured
the number of seconds of epileptiform discharges or seizure activity in every
10-s EEG sample during the 24 h. The EEGs of rats pretreated with ALA and DHLA
exhibited 55% less seizure activity than vehicle-treated ferric
chloride-injected animals, suggesting that lipoic acids may be of use in
preventing or attenuating TBI-induced seizures.

PMID: 15246849 [PubMed - in process]

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gaross - 28 Aug 2004 17:28 GMT
Don't inject Ferric Chloride into your arm. And I hope your rat is feeling
better.
 (Seizures is spelled with a 'z'? )

While a percent of some seizure types might be caused by other indicators
and conditions, you've been posting these 'Iron causes Seizures <in
everyone? > 'sinceabout1998now....   And No one, except for you, so far as
I've seen seems to have an Iron-related Seizure onset..
   Are you saying that *your seizure type is Only produced by Iron Sources
and not from another area of e.g. Traumatic Brain Injury (listed in article
below),  infection like Encephalitis (mine), or other conditions?     You've
Never been on a thread other than this Iron one, and I wondered if that's
the Only Thread  linked to whichever seizure type you might have (or of
someone you might know)?
   The article below (experiment on the rat)  says that seizure activity is
less when they**Pre-Injected the test animal Before the infection.....  so I
don't understand,   do I need a Butler to follow me around with his syringe
and if he sees a large weight falling out of a building, he snaps out the
syringe and gives me a quick injection?  I'd rather pay someone to Push me
Out of the WAY  (like in the Cartoons),  so that the large weight lands on
the ground...
  These seizure types below seem to be limited to Traumatic Brain Injuries,
like one might get from a Fall, or an Injury caused by an Accident or
Mishap.    While that's a percent of possible sources of seizures, and Other
Brain injury secondary conditions,   some of the articles or your pre-cursor
introductions seems to leave the impression that you believe that MOST or
ALL of the seizure types are based on Iron Toxicity or Lack of it??  (I
can't really tell which sometimes.)      G.

> Brain Res. 2004 Aug 6;1016(2):139-44.  Related Articles, Links
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Klenow - 28 Aug 2004 19:59 GMT
So this is basically saying that ROS-scavenging antioxidants can reduce
increase the seizure threshold after infusion of concentrated ferric
chloride into the cortex.  Since their hypothesis is that iron contained in
blood leaks into the cortex after brain injury and therefore lowers the
seizure threshold, wouldn't it have been better if they had simulated this
with infusion of blood also?  I don't know if their ferric chloride solution
approximates the concentration of iron in the blood.  Anyway, wouldn't their
hypothesis mean that seizures are more likely after all brain surgery where
the blood-brain-barrier is breached?  As far as rat surgery goes, I know
this is definitely not the case, even with sub-arachnoid hemorrhage and
hematoma and even after tremendous brain damage has been caused.

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PIPER - 29 Aug 2004 06:18 GMT
huh?

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doe - 29 Aug 2004 18:15 GMT
>Subject: Re: Iron binders / seisures
>From: "PIPER" lewis8@mindspring.com
>Date: 8/28/2004 11:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time
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>huh?

In order to CREATE a .. 'epilepsy model' .. in an animal .. they are and have
been using the method .. OF .. injecting iron into the brain to induce ..
seizures // epilepsy.

In this particular model they intend to demonstrate the iron FROM .. 'spilled'
.. blood would / could CAUSE epilepsy .. and to see if antioxidant / iron
binders DO in fact lower the bodies seizure .. ACTIVITY when iron binders are
used.

It seems TARGETING the iron .. works ..

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Klenow - 29 Aug 2004 20:28 GMT
> >Subject: Re: Iron binders / seisures
> >From: "PIPER" lewis8@mindspring.com
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> It seems TARGETING the iron .. works ..

An interesting paper.  They weren't "targeting iron" though.  They also
weren't using "iron binders".  They were using iron to invoke seizures and
looking at the effects of two antioxidants on the assumption that iron is
inducing the formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) which are somehow
causing seizures.  So they were actually targeting ROS. I think the
important thing about this paper is not the iron seizure model but that ROS
may be involved in triggering seizures after head injury.  There may be many
other components of blood which can induce ROS formation directly or
indirectly.  It would have been neat if they could have removed iron from
blood and injected that into the cortex to see if blood without iron can
induce seizures.  Actually, does injecting normal blood induce seizures?
Have the authors done that?

Interestingly, antioxidants have been shown to decrease seizures in seizure
models where chemicals are injected on the cortex (which might increase ROS
formation) but not in other seizure models (in which ROS may not be
involved).  It seems they've been used clinically as adjunct therapy in some
cases for more than a decade.  They might also be reducing the effects of
excitotoxic injury to cells and therefore be neuroprotective...reducing the
long-term effects of the injury.

Another interesting thing about the paper to me is that the seizures they
saw in the model were non-convulsive....even though they injected the iron
salt in a motor area. (strange)  It suggests that after traumatic brain
injury seizures might be mis-diagnosed and anticonvulsants might not be
given.  I don't know if anticonvulsants are routinely given after brain
injury whether seizures are seen or not, but maybe they should be
considering a kindling effect might be occurring which can develop into
epilepsy.

Here's a paper you might be interested in...

Can J Neurol Sci.  1992 May;19(2):201-3.
The anticonvulsant effects of vitamin E: a further evaluation.
Levy SL, Burnham WM, Bishai A, Hwang PA.
Division of Neurology, Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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