Here we go again.
Sorry, Mike.
The law is proper, you are wrong and you should change. You will not, but it
would do you well to try.
This raises the question of how many people with epilepsy have driven when
they were not legally allowed to. I'll post it on another thread.
Mark
> I believe the law is wrong and I want a change.
>
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> Mike Smith
> A California/Utah living in Plymouth, Devon, England.
The law is there to protect others. I agree with Mark below. In Ontario,
if you have a car accident and it was found that you had been Diagnosed with
a Medical Condition that might Impair Safe operation, and not Cleared by the
Doctor, your **Estate is responsible for any Damages or Injuries, if you
were to have an Absence or other szr. and cause an accident with injuries,
even if it were 'Your Last' one.
Some Court cases, not Specific to Seizures, but where the 'Breadwinner'
was killed at age 30, awarded support and maintenance costs until the
Deceased's Kids were 21 or left College, and his Widow so long as she was
alive.
Try get an Insurance Company to help with Those costs, especially if you
ticked the box 'no' about whether or not you've been diagnosed with any type
of seizure disorder, or been advised by a Doctor not to drive...
(I haven't driven a car for 15 years. My seizures didn't start until
Jan. 93 = 10+ years ago. The Last C.P. seizure I had was June 1998 - 5
years ago. I think the waiting period here, if I Owned a car is 12 months.
That's not a LONG PERIOD to expect someone to be 'clean' of seizures, in my
opinion.)
I used to walk for 'exercise' While I was still driving. After my
Sister-in-Law asked how many miles I walked in a day, I didn't Know. So I
bought a Pedometer (measures your stride and counts for you). I stopped
using it about 1993 after it had counted 35,000 miles. I'm probably about
70-80K by now. If it's raining or snowing I take a Taxi out, and either
one back (local) or a bus if it's near rush hour, so they run more frequent,
and if I didn't buy a Wheelbarrow or something...
Even if I were to do that more than once or twice a week (rest of the
time I walk to Local Malls), it'd STILL be cheaper than Gas, Maintenance,
Tires and the initial cost of a new car.... I've never worked out how much
I've saved since Late 1987 -- 16 years x $5000? is 80,000 Dollars.
Unless I bought an MGB, in which case that wouldn't matter... (There's
a place near where I live that imports or maintains those.) G.R.
> Here we go again.
>
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> >
> > I do NOT want to get behind the wheel of a vehicle weighing in excess of
one
> > ton(ne) and plough it through this void we call space unconscious; waking
> > only to discover I have hit 3 cars, a mother, her baby, and two kids. This
> > is not what I want.
> >
> > It is THE LOWER END OF THE SCALE I argue with NOT the middle (a car) or
the
> > top (an airplane).
> >
> > The law in England, and report to me other areas please, says I can/must
> > ride a bike at 30-40 mph in the road with all the other cars weaving in
and
> > out at my own risk. This is close as I can come to getting around fast
under
> > my own steam.
> >
> > What if I need to get to a remote farm house for an event? What if I
have to
> > be in 5 places at once, public transport just doesn't do it.
> >
> > The problem is that the English law states it is illegal for me to drive a
> > motorised device over 17 mph weighing no more than 75 kg (165 lbs).
> >
> > There are motorised devices which will do this. There are electric
bikes I
> > have ridden one and it was fantastic, even just the ease of going UP a
steep
> > hill was terrific.
> >
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> >
> > I, even put forward that a Moped is the upper limit. The closest to
what I
> > imagine for open sale is something like the 90cc bikes used by Pizza
> > delivery firms and in-city couriers. These bikes are extremely light
weight,
> > quiet, fuel efficient, and by their nature self-govern themselves at about
> > 45 mph. The nice thing about this style motorbike is that laws are already
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> > they MUST not use any motorized device, irregardless of their condition.
> > Were I blacking-out every other day, to contemplate this would be
suicide. I
> > last blacked out during the day 11th of April, 2002. I had an attack while
> > sleeping, which is my most common period, 26th of April, 2003 and again on
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> >
> > I put this article forward once before and everyone came back and said
that
> > "the law is there to protect you and keep you safe", I agree, but
sometimes
> > one looks at the law and says whoops this one is a bit overboard or this
law
> > is not strict enough. One could argue it should be against the law for me
> > to ride a pedal bike in the street as I may black out and drive into a
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> > support the law with respect to easily any vehicle above a very small car
> > but question whether the law is set too low at the other end, and to a
point
> > whether a doctor and his patient could reach a safe level.
> >
> > I look forward to any thoughts on the matter.
> > Mike Smith
> > A California/Utah living in Plymouth, Devon, England.
Mike Smith - 10 Jul 2003 00:04 GMT
OK again I respect your opinion and oddly I agree with you and Mark but you
have not
read the fine print I am not advocating piloting a 747 with 300+ passengers
(or whatever
they hold). This is a 90cc bike giving people with EP freedom and mobility
IF their EP
is NOT very severe.
This bike goes 45 mph and probably wieghs no more 175kgs and looks like a
hefty
mountain bike.
Remember I can legally ride a mountain bike as an EP the problem is hills
and
distance. What is the difference if I ride on the flat on a mountain bike
at 35 mph
or up a high at 35 mph? Answer: the angle
What is the difference if I ride a mountain bike into an intersection
unconscious
under a bus on the flat or downhill on a mountain bike under a bus? Answer:
the angle but it won't matter anymore.
I am not advocating breaking the law but changing the law, so if you drive
your
mountain bike or this small motor bike I put forward into a parked BMW and
you
damage it. If you approached the insurance company and you drive make them
aware of your medical history and they contract to take your "risk" no
matter
how hard they squirm they are legally liable. Moreso for a small motorbike
than
a mountain bike because the moutain bike will never be insured but the
motorbike would.
Must one return to the days of a lifetime restriction of driving? While I
respect your
decision not to drive, 5 years is a long time, but you never never know.
Where I live in Utah if I went home the restriction is only 3 months. I may
drive the flat
road, there is little to hit in my farming community BUT you will never find
me driving up
the mountains with 2-3 hundred foot drops and hairpin curves. There is a
line, personally
I believe it is set to far back.
Mike.
> The law is there to protect others. I agree with Mark below. In Ontario,
> if you have a car accident and it was found that you had been Diagnosed with
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> > > Mike Smith
> > > A California/Utah living in Plymouth, Devon, England.
I have painfully sat out each and every restriction religiously.
I ask you have you read my thoughts with thought or speed read it?
I ask you what is the difference between me on a mountain bike and me on a
Cub (I was careful not to name name's) 90cc
This bike is barely more than a bike.
I ask you again, read carefully what I have written I at the bottom of this
article
ask is it even proper for an epileptic to even ride a bike?
I await your reply with respect and anticipation.
Mike.
PS.
Man in Florida recently seizure drove into a pole dead.
Man not declaring EP got a job as a bus driver in SF slumped forward foot
hard on the pedal killed four pedestrians on the curb
One man here reports nearly driving off a bridge.
One report here reports brother (7 years ago) driving into lake dead.
I am no idiot with regard to what I suggest.
> Here we go again.
>
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> > Mike Smith
> > A California/Utah living in Plymouth, Devon, England.