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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / December 2004

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Anti Convulsant query/puzzle

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Charani - 13 Aug 2004 11:22 GMT
My 11 year old son has been prescribed sodium valproate (as Epilim) to
control his fits/seizures.

Leaving out of the equation the fits/seizures he self induces by
hyper-ventilating, it appears that the Epilim is actually *causing*
fits/seizures every so often.

We've found that if we stop his medication for a day, or reduce it by
50% for two or three days, he's all right again and the Epilim does
what it is supposed to do.

When we mentioned this to his paediatrician and what we did, she said
that it wouldn't make much difference because of what was in his
system; which rather seems to confirm our thinking that my son's sytem
gets overloaded with the medication every so often.  His system is
then "short ciruiting" and causing fits/seizures.

As a baby and a toddler, he had fits/seizures which were a result of
an allergic reaction to certain foods.  These were removed from his
diet until he was 9.  They were reintroduced under medical supervision
in hospital and he no longer appears to have a reaction to them.
We're wondering if something along the same lines is occuring now.  He
can't have sodium valproate as Orlept because that does cause him to
fit/have seizures.

Has any one else had the same thing happen with anti convulsant
medication, ie it causing the very thing it's supposed to prevent??
Or can anyone shed any light on the matter in any way??
Satch - 13 Aug 2004 17:10 GMT
> My 11 year old son has been prescribed sodium valproate (as Epilim) to
> control his fits/seizures.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> medication, ie it causing the very thing it's supposed to prevent??
> Or can anyone shed any light on the matter in any way??

Hello,

My neurologist prescribed Depakene to me which is another brand name for
Epilim. Let me recap a couple of things I know about this (but don't
forget: I am not a doctor or pharmacist!):

Each drug has a half-life (the time required for the concentration of the
drug in the blood to decline to half of its original value). Medications
with a short half-life, such as carbamazepine (the regular form, not
extended release) and valproate, pose a slightly greater problem than those
with a longer half-life, such as phenytoin or phenobarbital (brand names
differ per country). For drugs with a short half-life, it is important to
keep the interval between doses as close to the usual routine as possible.
Otherwise, the person risks adverse effects from high drug levels in the
blood or seizures from low drug levels.

I think your son is experiencing seizures because his blood levels are not
constant (too high / too low).

For drugs with a short half-time, it is better to take a couple of pills
during the day to keep the levels steady then taking them all at once in
the morning or one in the morning / one in the afternoon, etc.

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Take care.

Marco

David Ruether - 13 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT
> My 11 year old son has been prescribed sodium valproate (as Epilim) to
> control his fits/seizures.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> medication, ie it causing the very thing it's supposed to prevent??
> Or can anyone shed any light on the matter in any way??

The following is not definitive information, and applies
to my experience only! I use Depakote ER, an extended
release form of valproic acid. This is supposed to maintain
blood levels of valproic acid for 24 hours. One night, I
accidentally dropped 500mg on the floor, so took only
750mg that evening instead of the usual 1250 (x2 daily). I
had some jittering and jerking in the night and the next morning
(this had been essentially removed for three months), and
I took a valproic trough level blood test in the morning
(but for another reason...). The following night is when I
discovered the 500mg Depakote tablet on the floor. My
trough level before had been 107, but this time it had
dropped to 72 12 hours after the short dose (even though
I was using the ER version). Following this, I had five
"good" days (unusual for me - I'm starting on another drug
to try to fix this, too). I asked my neurologist, who has
done some work with dosing, and he advised me not
to read into variations anything significant, but to maintain
a precise dosing schedule (for both time and amount,
which is not always easy). He insists this is the best way
to gain control. I also asked about the effects of overdosing,
and it appears that seizures are not among them (do a
search on Depakote or valproic acid on www.google.com,
and you may be reassured). Some people can react badly
to any drug, though, and I could not tolerate Topamax
even in small quantities...
--DR
Satch - 14 Aug 2004 06:52 GMT
>> My 11 year old son has been prescribed sodium valproate (as Epilim) to
>> control his fits/seizures.
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> even in small quantities...
> --DR

Yep, with Depakote / Depakene / Epilim, one should always make sure that
the blood levels are steady. I never heard that an overdose in ones system
could increase number of seizures but as said before: everyone reacts
different.

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Take care.

Marco

Charani - 15 Aug 2004 22:11 GMT
Thanks for your comments both :))

My son does react in unexpected ways to a variety of different things.
He's not very tolerant of drugs or injections/vaccinations.

Yesterday he didn't have any medication at all.  Today he was back to
his normal dosage.  He didn't have any fits/seizures yesterday or
today but he'd had 3 quite bad ones the day before yesterday.
Outlook Express News - 06 Dec 2004 18:52 GMT
Hello,
If, as you suspect, your son gets overloaded with the medication, he would begin to suffer side effects: lethargy, drowsiness, etc. It might be advisable to talk to his teachers to ask if they have noticed this behaviour at school?
As well, you could keep a lookout for this at home? Epilim is a drug with a long half life, meaning that one dose will last longer than a day, dependant on amount, so withholding a half dose would not have any real effect, as the prescribed dose is already in his system!
I wish you and your son well, Rich.

> My 11 year old son has been prescribed sodium valproate (as Epilim) to
> control his fits/seizures.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> medication, ie it causing the very thing it's supposed to prevent??
> Or can anyone shed any light on the matter in any way??
 
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