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Jennblalock - 10 Aug 2004 21:03 GMT
I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
two since then. All have occurred in the middle of the night, and my
neurologist feels it's possible this is the only time they will occur for
me. I'll be able to drive again soon and other than that my life has not
been dramatically altered. However, after each episode I have this
overwhelming feeling of fear and foreboding, so much so that I can't
return to my bedroom, I have to go back to sleep on the sofa or other bed.
Does anyone else experience these intense feelings of fear and, if so,
have you found any way to overcome them? Luckily for me, my boyfriend has
been present after each seizure but he's a pilot and not always home. I go
to bed each night afraid I will have one in his absence and have no one to
hug and comfort me afterward.
Help!  Learning to live with epilepsy is so frightening and I'm still
surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
Jenn
gaross - 10 Aug 2004 22:25 GMT
> I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
> unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
> Jenn

1)  Didn't your neuro wonder if the night dose was wearing off before
morning?  Sometimes our bodies change and we might need an adjustment to
bring things back in balance, even if it's a slight increase on alternate
nights.
2)  You didn't mention which pill (or *if) you're using any Anti-Ep.
Medictation.   Others here might have ideas if they know which one you're
taking.
3)  Do you know which area of your brain was affected when you were younger?
(above).   Some parts can produce different symptoms, depending where the
seizures are happening.   (I've had some Extreme fear sensations once or
twice a month, from Right Temporal Lobe seizure focus, but it could also be
a sign that I'm just not sleeping through the whole night, like I usually
do.  )   Some areas of the brain can produce different symptoms, but also
have different aids to reduce disruptions from seizures.
4) There's a 'mouth guard' you can get made by your Dentist (or I can tell
you about a cheaper version) if there's any risk of tongue or tooth damage
during the night. (Your Dr. should have also mentioned that if there was a
risk.)  Most common symptom if you were grinding your teeth would be mouth
pains or headaches when you first wake up.
5) Are there any Other changes you've had over last 3? months that might
have affected your tendency to have more seizures?   Things I was thinking
of might include Vaccinations,  Head or Chest colds that might weaken you,
other mental or physical stress that you might not have thought could make
you more prone?     Just wondered.   G./
Julie - 10 Aug 2004 23:20 GMT
Welcome to the ng Jenn.  I don't have seizures at night, but I have tonic
clonic seizures.  It has been over 9 years since my last seizure.  I pay
really close attention to how I am feeling and make sure I rest when I start
to feel like I could have a seiuzre.  I also watch what I eat.  MSG is
something that was a big factor in triggering my seizures.  I also stay away
from flashy things.  The other night my husband took me to a movie that really
had alot of flashy things on the screen, it was also rather violent.  During
the flashy stuff I put my head down and closed my eyes.  We were joking that
people were probably thinking I was bowing my head and praying for the
"sinful" people watching all the violence ;-)

Regarding your experience with seizures and fear - I recall a feeling of
extreme fear, but that is usually because I felt like I had no control.  After
the seizure I always went to bed and slept.

Gordon mentioned the question of whether or not you had a cold.  You need to
be careful about over the counter medications because they can lower your
seizure threshhold.  My doctor told me if I have a cold, just drink lots of
liquids and get plenty of rest and don't worry about my nose running.  In
other words, don't take any of that stuff they give you over the counter, I'll
get over my cold in due time.

Take care,
Julie

> I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
> unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
> Jenn
Jennblalock - 11 Aug 2004 14:44 GMT
I'd love to think I'll make it 9 years with no seizures!  I still haven't
determined what may be causing mine to occur, as far as breaking through
despite the medication. I've tried to really consider everything I've
taken in, how much rest I've received etc, and I can't seem to find
anything that fits each instance. I'm glad that thus far they've only
occurred at night, but then I don't have any precursors to use as
anticipation or prevention. I'll keep in mind what you mentioned about
over the counter meds. I know that the night before I had my last seizure
I took a sleeping pill because I hadn't been sleeping well. Perhaps that
and the lack of sleep had a combined effect.
I forgot to mention before, I currently take 2000 mg of Keppra each day. I
wonder if the medication is not effective or should be increased.
Unfortunately, I can't disclose to my doctor about the recent seizure
because if I continue to be unable to drive I am likely to find myself
unemployed.
Thank you for your insight and the useful info.
Jennifer
gaross - 11 Aug 2004 16:11 GMT
> I'd love to think I'll make it 9 years with no seizures!  I still haven't
> determined what may be causing mine to occur, as far as breaking through
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thank you for your insight and the useful info.
> Jennifer

You can speak to your Pharmacist for Free.  And that efa website has a
medications glossary that might have some ideas.   Take any medications as
close to the schedule as possible.   Unfortunately if any adjustments are
needed to that or other medications the Dr. treating you will have to
determine that.
  Avoiding seeing him to avoid being asked to not drive creates a problem.
In most jurisdictions, if they find you were driving and knew you had
uncontrolled seizures, the Doctor is 'off the hook' if you had an accident
during one, but your Car Liability Insurance might be void.
  Many of us were able to find a Balance, plus or minus, within 12-18
months, and from time to time might need some adjustment to a med. if the
control drifts off.   I haven't needed any adjustments since about 1996, but
others have needed fixes more often.   When I was having adjustments, some
were e.g. to morning dose when I was having Night Seizures (with my type of
pills), and not with the night dose as *I might have expected if I were
'self medicating'.  Depending on how strong your seizure are, I am a little
uncomfortable with your environment where you're afraid or unable to be
confident with your Doctor and Doctor Patient Relationship.   I understand
your concerns and risks you perceive, I'm just uncomfortable with the 'box'
that places you in.
   Do you have a Local Chapter of an Epilepsy Association?  They don't know
you from Adam   (or Eve! :-< ).  Perhaps you could go in and discuss this
with a Councillor without having to give them your Name or with some type of
understanding that what you want to discuss is intended to be private.
(They should be able to tell you that on the Phone if they have councillors
for people to chat with, and you could ask them 'Generally' what sorts of
things they might be required to release -- **if Anything -- like say Motor
Vehicles Department, General Employers, etc.  -- The 'employers part'  is
just there to 'cloud over'  the Motor Vehicle part --- *none of the groups
I've encountered had any requirement within their Charter to contact Anyone,
the same way that e.g. a Medical Doctor might be.  )

 Some ideas.   G.
Satch - 11 Aug 2004 22:19 GMT
> I'd love to think I'll make it 9 years with no seizures!  I still haven't
> determined what may be causing mine to occur, as far as breaking through
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thank you for your insight and the useful info.
> Jennifer

Ah okay, you are already taking some specific meds to control your
seizures. That makes part of my first posting useless.

Regarding "I can't disclose to my doctor about the recent seizure", there
is one person in this newsgroup that drove a car and killed some people
-cannot remember his name and cannot remember the details of that incident.
He must feel horrible -though he could not avoid the incident to occur
ofcourse. In your case: you can avoid these kind of incidents by seeing
your doctor asap or stop driving unless you are fully controled again -I do
understand that this may mean that you will have to get yourself another
job.

My company is outsourcing people to India and for sure "some" people will
have to go by then. The people that will stay will have to go onsite, meet
the customer, providing support onsite which means that if the problem has
not been solved at day time, these people will have to continue working at
night time which means that in my case I will have to suffer from "lack of
sleep" + "stress" which can make the situation worse. Not having a car in
that situation will mean I will have to find myself another job and having
a car may mean that I will get seizures anyways.

Fully controled epilepsy does not necessarily mean that the problems are
gone unfortunate :-(

I wish you all the best but recommend you to see a neurologist.

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Take care.

Marco

Julie - 12 Aug 2004 06:37 GMT
> Fully controled epilepsy does not necessarily mean that the problems are
> gone unfortunate :-(
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Marco

Marco speaks the truth.  Even though I haven't had a tonic clonic seizure for
over 9 years I have had incidents that made me feel like I was close to a
seizure.  I do not drive when I don't feel well.  My family and friends are well
aware of that fact.  I have always had a warning before a seizure, but I will
not take a chance in driving when I'm sick.

There are a couple experiences from people who have had car accidents listed on
our website: http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/experience.htm

When I was having seizures my neurologist told me to keep him informed with each
and every seizure activity.  He worked with me on a few different drugs and
finally went back to one that worked for me and got it to a therapeutic level.
If I had been afraid to tell him when I had a seizure, he would not have been
able to help me.

Take care,
Julie Walton, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/
Daz_n_Pat - 21 Aug 2004 17:35 GMT
> I'd love to think I'll make it 9 years with no seizures!  I still haven't
> determined what may be causing mine to occur, as far as breaking through
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thank you for your insight and the useful info.
> Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,

I experience the intense fear that you mentioned.
My seizures occur 4 or 5 times a day at present (they've reduced from 5-10).
Sometimes it's intense fear that I feel and other times it's extreme anger.
I cope with this by concentrating on the logic of the situation.

   I know I have just had a seizure and that the fear or anger is a part of
the seizure.

   I know I have no reason to be as angry as I am.

   I know that the fear is irrational - there is nothing to be afraid of.

   I know it will go away.

Regarding driving your car and not telling your doc about your seizures:

I've tried it........I killed a man. Coincidentally, he turned out to be the
brother of a friend of mine.
Getting hate mail from a woman who has lost her husband and the father of
her four young children is not one of the great joys in life.
Losing your friend because you killed his brother is not too great either.
But living with the knowledge that you have killed someone, when you could
have prevented it by using common sense and staying out of the drivers seat
when you have epilepsy, hurts like hell.
I am a large strong man, six foot three and over 100 kg. Can you imagine
several months I spent unable to function properly because of causing this
unnecessary death. I would wake in the morning and sit on the edge of the
bed crying for 10 to 15 minutes before I could get myself dressed and start
my day. That all happened five years ago. I still cry if I see a similar
type of car crash on TV.

It's not worth it.

Darryl.
montynaa@hotmail.com - 11 Aug 2004 06:37 GMT
I feel fear and/or dread with my seizures more often than not. For
days, sometimes weeks.
Satch - 11 Aug 2004 22:07 GMT
> I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
> unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
> two since then. All have occurred in the middle of the night, and my
> neurologist feels it's possible this is the only time they will occur for
> me.

Did he order a couple of tests like EEG and MRI scans, etc? What were the
results of that?

> I'll be able to drive again soon and other than that my life has not
> been dramatically altered.

That certainly is great news but from your posting it "looks/sounds" like
the neurologist did not order some EEG tests, etc. My understanding is that
he should do that as soon as possible to get the proper diagnose for your
specific situation. With the outcome of these tests, you know what to watch
out for as an escape route.

After the diagnose has been made with good news /bad news, you can start
acting to take control of your live again like getting the proper
information required to change some behavioral patterns including the
ability to drive / drinking alcohol / avoiding lack of sleep, etc. I know
Gaross has loads of good Internet sites to share and I am sure he will
redirect you asap! You may also need to take some medication and yes, that
sucks because as with every medication: these have some potential side
effects. Hopefully in your case (as happened in my case), you will have
full control of your seizures with a real low dose of medications your body
can absorb easily.

> However, after each episode I have this
> overwhelming feeling of fear and foreboding, so much so that I can't
> return to my bedroom, I have to go back to sleep on the sofa or other bed.
> Does anyone else experience these intense feelings of fear and, if so,
> have you found any way to overcome them?

I do not have these kind of feeligns as I had one tonic clonic seizure in
February though I have a history of epilepsy in childhood. I now take
Depakene 1000 mg per day and I have no side effects / no seizures anymore.
I also did not have to change job, change the way I live, etc., etc.

The feelings of fear I had were a direct results of the fear that I was
loosing control of my live.

To summarize:
1. getting the proper diagnose;
2. getting the information
3. start making some behavioral changes like avoiding stressfull
situations, for persons with photosensitivity: avoid everything that
triggers a seizure (get yourself a plasmascreen, avoid going to 3D movies,
etc.), avoid drinking alcohol, avoid situation with "lack of sleep", etc.,
etc.

These intense feelings you are having may be a result of a seizure /aura
that occur in a specific part of your brain (simple partial). I would
suggest you go back to your neurologist requesting him to order a couple of
good tests. It is too early to state that this is a one time occurence and
it is also too early to say that you can drive again.

> Luckily for me, my boyfriend has
> been present after each seizure but he's a pilot and not always home. I go
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
> Jenn

You found the right place Jenn -within this group there are loads of
persons that share the same experience you are dealing with right now.

For me: the persons in this group supported me very well around February
and after that and the way I took control over my live again was to make
sure I knew exactly what a seizure disorder was by buying myself a couple
of books and reading through all these posts in this newsgroup / posting
specific questions in this newsgroup.

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Take care.

Marco

gaross - 11 Aug 2004 22:50 GMT
> I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
> unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
> Jenn

 This is as good a spot as any to Paste an Olde Post I do from time to
time, that lists about 5 Websites and short book report about what they are.
You might find Julie's First Aid for Seizures sites of interest or comfort,
since they explain (for others) what to do -- one on Land, another in Water,
to help others feel more comfortable with us.
  Also within the Older First Aid site, I think it describes Behaviours
specific to some of the more common seizure types, so some of you might
recognize what others witness vs. what it describes there of interest.

  I found a few people here, over the years, might be told 'you have
epilepsy', without a lot of information about what the symptoms might be
like for Friends or Family who want to help, or what they should do or Not
do during our events.   Julie's Idaho First Aid site is as good as you'll
need, and in a form you can print for Family or Co-workers.

   The EFA site is the main U.S. Foundation site (Ep. Foundation of
America) and has a Medications Glossary for those who aren't given much
detail on particular medications or possible side effects to watch for.
   Howdy Dave had his site since just after 'Moses' set his one up....
Although he has a lot of useful information on the Vagus Nerve Stimulator,
that he researched at the time, he's also added his own information and
detail that he uncovered while he was learning to deal with this stuff.
This version (below) doesn't **have Dave's sites listed.

 I'll look for them (unless someone else has the Main Entrance address
while I look it up).   I should know it by now, but Right Temporal Lobe
things don't give me that luxury...
  So for those who are New or haven't seen these, here's some More Sites
that will save you having to De-google them on your own -->  G./
**********
There are a number of sites around the group that get posted from time to
time.  Some of the symptoms (at bottom) that you might see, might be
displayed on one of the First Aid for Seizures Websites below -- likely to
first 'seizure' one.   If you look down the first aid chart, I think it
shows 3 or 4 main types of seizures down one column, then the types of
things that can be done.
  Under the Symptoms or Sensations columns are the types of  'aura' or
sensation that might be specific to a particular seizure type.   That is
usually used by a Doctor at first to identify possible location where the
seizure is Launching From.  Then further tests (EEG, MRI, CT)  might look at
more detailed internals.
  For *your use, all you likely need is the chart, and the Symptoms with
the First Aid for whichever type most closely matches what he has.
  NOTE - within Julie's Idaho Main website, and on Howdy Dave's there are
links to the Ep. Foundation of America that has a Medications Glossary and
more detail on specific seizure types that you can search out at your own
pace. I also included the one entrance at bottom below.
  Also some of the minor seizures that don't result in loss of
consciousness, might be grouped under either 'absences' (if a person appears
to 'zone out' for short periods),  or simple partials (that might just
include an Aura then a return to normal.   *If someone has been having these
for a long time, these *might seem like the New Normal for them so they may
not be Aware that those are an Aura.  OR they might prefer to 'not see them'
for what they are.  //

 Each of the sites can be put on a Bookmark or Favourite so that you can
then refer back to see if there are updates without needing to remember the
www address each time. hth. G.R.
**********
 For anyone who hasn't seen these already -->
The General Site that Julie operates for Epilepsy Idaho group is at:
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org .

The 'First Aid chart' I frequently refer to can be located by entering and
wandering about site above, but can be reached direct at
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure.htm  .
 There's a Second topic added, that goes more into First
Aid in Water, on Aircraft, etc.  It's at
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure2.htm  .

 Also accessible from top site, but more detail on Learning about Epilepsy
can be found at http://www.epilepsyidaho/learn.htm   .  That one has quite a
few more links, information on kids newly diagnosed? (I think) and general
questions that others might ask, or those newly diagnosed.

  If there's no link there to a Medications Glossary, the Ep. Foundation of
America has one (of several)  within http://efa.org   .        G./
Satch - 12 Aug 2004 05:13 GMT
>    I found a few people here, over the years, might be told 'you have
> epilepsy', without a lot of information about what the symptoms might be
> like for Friends or Family who want to help, or what they should do or Not
> do during our events.   Julie's Idaho First Aid site is as good as you'll
> need, and in a form you can print for Family or Co-workers.

Though my neurologist ordered the right test, gave me the right diagnose
regarding my epilepsy I am having (primary generalized) and finally
prescribed me the right meds, I cannot remember that she gave me advise
regarding what the symptoms might be like for friends or families who want
to help or persons who are not familiar with this kind of seizure disorder
and start making fun (yes, these people are still out there hunting for
us).

Luckily the Internet is here for me / us. Some good books I certainly can
recommend to all of you:

1. Epilepsy Patient & Family Guide 2nd Edition / Orrin Devinsky, MD
2. Partial Seizure Disorders Help For Patients and Families / Mitzi Waltz

You may also want to subscribe to
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/epilepsy-l.html

Some medical doctors (MD's) which are members of this list are sometimes
reading and answering questions which is great :-)

The sites Gaross gave previously in another post are also very helpfull
-cheers Gaross.

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Take care.

Marco

gaross - 11 Aug 2004 23:19 GMT
Dave has remodelled his site (a lot) since I was last there.  But the
section on the VNS etc. look like they've been expanded and improved for
those who have recently posted looking for more information.
 I had to tinker a bit with moving about some of the site at the beginning,
but that might be just my Mouse tracks or not using the link that I was
intended to at the start.
  One site I used to use to get to the Main Doorway of his site is at -->
http://www.howdydave.com/
  The one Specific to the Vagus Nerve Stimulator (VNS) can be found from
above and down the site or via -->
http://www.howdydave.com/vns.html/#index   .   (I hope that's copied right,
and it's likely Copyrighted etc. to Dave for all the work he did on it.  )

  Note too that there's a fair bit of testing that is used to assess if
someone is a candidate for a VNS, whether it would help their type of
seizure and other considerations.  I think Dave has dedicated a large amount
of effort to try convey the sorts of things that might be considered as
testing proceeds and when it might or might not be appropriate.
   Someone should consider contacting the Ep. Foundation of America to see
if they hand out Prizes or Cash or something, for some of these sites we're
getting.   Between his one and Julie's Idaho sites we're getting some pretty
useful sites for people newly diagnosed and with both Early and Late onset
types of seizures.  And both Julie and Dave have spent a Large part of the
last ~6 or more years putting these things together.     Time Flies when
you're having fun...   :->    G.

> I had a brain injury when I was 5 years old and am now 30. For some reason
> unknown to everyone, I had my first seizure this past March-2004. I've had
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> surprised to have had such a late on-set from a brain injury.
> Jenn

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