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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / July 2004Suggestions on new seizure safety site?
Hi gang, can you believe how long it has taken me to fix the seizure safety page at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! I apologize to those of you who have had to put up with the hard to read colors. I am starting to create a template that will use cascading style sheets. So before I get too far into this, if you have a chance take a look at the first couple pages and let me know if you see problems with your computers. This uses a technique to stretch the top and side navigation graphic to fit different size monitor setups. So please let me know if that doesn't work on your system. Also let me know if the text size, colors, etc. work for you. HERE IS THE NEW SITE :-) (only 2 pages online) http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm Thanks for any input. Julie Walton, Volunteer Webmaster Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho http://www.epilepsyidaho.org > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! Hi Julie, This website works very well -good job done. A couple of suggestions though: 1. content: on the first page you may want to add a paragraph that for most people diagnosed with epilepsy -even the ones that have been having epilepsy for their whole live, are uncertain when the next seizure shows up and that this is something that may worry them the most. Especially the people with primary generalized seizures; also think about injuries, etc. 2. technical: you may want to add a "back" button on each page -but that is not really necessary. I hope my comments are OK?  SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! Hi Julie, This website works very well -good job done. A couple of suggestions though: 1. content: on the first page you may want to add a paragraph that for most people diagnosed with epilepsy -even the ones that have been having epilepsy for their whole live, are uncertain when the next seizure shows up and that this is something that may worry them the most. Especially the people with primary generalized seizures; also think about injuries, etc. 2. technical: you may want to add a "back" button on each page -but that is not really necessary. I hope my comments are OK? SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco Thanks for your help, Marco. I'll mention the content change to the Director of EFI. Good suggestion about the back button. Julie > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bye, > Marco Looks great on my computer! (Windows 98, Internet Explorer 6.0, 17" monitor) > Hi gang, can you believe how long it has taken me to fix the seizure > safety page at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org > Also let me know if the text size, colors, etc. work for you. Hi Your content pages are grey in IE6, but white in Mozilla. Have a 'previous' page button if you have a 'next' button. Page 2, set the text properties in the small box to 'no-wrap' Also page 2, you dont have to use bullets if the lines are going to be links. Or, use a graphic for a bullet that isnt black, but something more muted. The left page links, indent the text from the 'page x' links by 2 characters. Or make 'page x' a point or 2 bigger. Note that using fixed font size works only in IE, and people who keep their monitors at high resolutions wont be able to increase it to fit their needs (like me). Put a 'webmaster' link someplace on each page... near the bottom of the content pages after 'learn about epilepsy' would be a good place. Many people forget that one. 'seizure safety' has too much shadow and looks muddled. The shadow behind 'efi' looks better. After that change it will look lighter... so then you can make the graphic a little bit bigger and it wont be overwhelming. Add notes to the links that will show up on the bottom bar instead of the linked page itself. Page 2 again, remain consistant on first word capitalization in the box. It looks like parts of the list came from longer sentences If you do want to stick with bullets, the commas at the end of each line are not needed. Anyways... these are just little things to look out for, nothing more. Other things you might want to do: use external style sheets instead, use classes in your <p> statements in your menu list as well. Cheers Hi Theo, thanks for your help. I may just start fresh with my idea. I was trying out something new with the left and top stretch. I'm not sure I like the graphic, I may try something else. My comments follow: > > Also let me know if the text size, colors, etc. work for you. > > Hi > > Your content pages are grey in IE6, but white in Mozilla. Could be because I didn't add the body bgcolor. Have it as #FFFFFF now. Does that make it white in IE6? > Have a 'previous' page button if you have a 'next' button. Good point, also pointed out by Marco. > Page 2, set the text properties in the small box to 'no-wrap' OK, I defined the table to nowrap. Not quite sure why, tell me what you were seeing. > Also page 2, you dont have to use bullets if the lines are going to be > links. Or, use a graphic for a bullet that isnt black, but something more > muted. I did read recently that designers are getting away from bullets. So I changed the <li> in my .css to have no bullet. This is just a list, not going to be hyperlinked. > The left page links, indent the text from the 'page x' links by 2 > characters. Or make 'page x' a point or 2 bigger. OK, I coded Non-breaking spaces before the text. > Note that using fixed font size works only in IE, and people who keep their > monitors at high resolutions wont be able to increase it to fit their needs > (like me). So I should change the font sizes from 12 to small, medium, or large? > Put a 'webmaster' link someplace on each page... near the bottom of the > content pages after 'learn about epilepsy' would be a good place. Many > people forget that one. Good suggestion. > 'seizure safety' has too much shadow and looks muddled. The shadow behind > 'efi' looks better. After that change it will look lighter... so then you > can make the graphic a little bit bigger and it wont be overwhelming. So, you have a good eye. I was wondering if the title looked too stark. My husband said it looked fine. But what does he know! Actually I've been practicing with photoshop and fireworks and must admit, I have a long way to go. I'll work on the title graphic. > Add notes to the links that will show up on the bottom bar instead of the > linked page itself. Not sure what you mean here, is that a script? > Page 2 again, remain consistant on first word capitalization in the box. It > looks like parts of the list came from longer sentences Yes, that was where it came from. Fixed that, thanks. > If you do want to stick with bullets, the commas at the end of each line > are not needed. True > Anyways... these are just little things to look out for, nothing more. > Other things you might want to do: use external style sheets instead, use > classes in your <p> statements in your menu list as well. I was thinking about the external style sheets last night. In fact I left myself a note to check into this. Thanks for all your help Julie Hi back... > Hi Theo, thanks for your help. I may just start fresh with my idea. > I was trying out something new with the left and top stretch. I'm not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Could be because I didn't add the body bgcolor. Have it as #FFFFFF > now. Does that make it white in IE6? The difference is that both have different default background colors. Grey for IE and white for Mozilla. So if bgcolor is not specified the page will use the defaults. I have read the other posts but perhaps others can say whether or not they saw the grey in IE before the change. They should have. >> Have a 'previous' page button if you have a 'next' button. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > OK, I defined the table to nowrap. Not quite sure why, tell me what > you were seeing. In the box, if the window is shrunk down, the text wraps to stay inside the window unless told not to, or there is no more room. Also, you can add the nowrap option in CSS for text not in tables. >> Also page 2, you dont have to use bullets if the lines are going to >> be links. Or, use a graphic for a bullet that isnt black, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I changed the <li> in my .css to have no bullet. This is just a list, > not going to be hyperlinked. Bullets are not so bad. Its only when they are so dominant that the eye is drawn to them that it doesnt look so good. If you have a white background, a small 3Dish bullet in a light grey would work well. >> The left page links, indent the text from the 'page x' links by 2 >> characters. Or make 'page x' a point or 2 bigger. > > OK, I coded Non-breaking spaces before the text. That works, or you can add padding using CSS styles directly in the code (not just classes or ids). Since you are moving to CSS, I recommend checking out how this works. >> Note that using fixed font size works only in IE, and people who keep >> their monitors at high resolutions wont be able to increase it to fit >> their needs (like me). > > So I should change the font sizes from 12 to small, medium, or large? Wouldnt hurt to try. During testing one thing to do is look at the site at the highest resolution your monitor can go. Another option is to have another external style sheet with a bigger font size, and reload the page with that sheet if the user prefers. Check out some PHP sites on how to do this. >> Put a 'webmaster' link someplace on each page... near the bottom of >> the content pages after 'learn about epilepsy' would be a good place. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Actually I've been practicing with photoshop and fireworks and must > admit, I have a long way to go. I'll work on the title graphic. I dont know about your setup but you should have a calibration utility for your graphic card that allows you to figure out the best settings based on what the screen displays. Also, if you have alot of windows in the room the time of day makes a big difference on what you see on screen. >> Add notes to the links that will show up on the bottom bar instead of >> the linked page itself. > > Not sure what you mean here, is that a script? I was thinking of two things, sorry. Yes its a script. Many sites have some kind of message on the bottom instead of the link page on rollovers. The other thing I was thinking of are those little boxes that popup over graphics (the ALT feature). But its an IE only thing I think. >> Page 2 again, remain consistant on first word capitalization in the >> box. It looks like parts of the list came from longer sentences [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > left myself a note to check into this. Thanks for all your help > Julie Youre welcome. Right now is the time to check out external sheets before you do to much more on the sight. Much easier to have every page reference back to one sheet, and change the sheet instead of all those pages. While youre at it check out iframes. They are not %100 supported yet but the major browsers do fine (IE5+ & NN6). > Hi back... > > Bullets are not so bad. Its only when they are so dominant that the eye is > drawn to them that it doesnt look so good. If you have a white background, > a small 3Dish bullet in a light grey would work well. I'm alway willing to check it out. I'll do a search for bullets. > >> Note that using fixed font size works only in IE, and people who keep > >> their monitors at high resolutions wont be able to increase it to fit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with that sheet if the user prefers. Check out some PHP sites on how to do > this. I'll have to print out your post so I can remember all this. > I dont know about your setup but you should have a calibration utility for > your graphic card that allows you to figure out the best settings based on > what the screen displays. Also, if you have alot of windows in the room > the time of day makes a big difference on what you see on screen. Funny you should say that. I was reading about photoshop the other day and thought about the need to make sure the calibration is correct. Yes, I sit right next to a window, never thought about how that could be affecting the look. > >> Add notes to the links that will show up on the bottom bar instead of > >> the linked page itself. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The other thing I was thinking of are those little boxes that popup over > graphics (the ALT feature). But its an IE only thing I think. I usually use alt tags with graphics, but these links are just html code, not graphics. It is something to think about. > Right now is the time to check out external sheets before you do to much > more on the sight. Much easier to have every page reference back to one > sheet, and change the sheet instead of all those pages. While youre at it > check out iframes. They are not %100 supported yet but the major browsers > do fine (IE5+ & NN6). I have thought of using iframes, but do you think it would be appropriate for this? How about mozilla, does it work with iframes? Thanks again for your help. Julie > I have thought of using iframes, but do you think it would be > appropriate for this? How about mozilla, does it work with iframes? Yes, it works fine. You should download it so you can test it out. Its free. Opera is sorta free as wel and some people use it... but it is advertiser supported. I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I wouldn't be surprised if more people switched to other browsers. Julie > > I have thought of using iframes, but do you think it would be > > appropriate for this? How about mozilla, does it work with iframes? > > Yes, it works fine. You should download it so you can test it out. Its > free. Opera is sorta free as wel and some people use it... but it is > advertiser supported. > I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an > IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I > wouldn't be surprised if more people switched to other browsers. > Julie Also I checked out your page (page 1) and it is still lacking a bgcolor in the source. Page 2 is fine. > Also I checked out your page (page 1) and it is still lacking a bgcolor in > the source. Page 2 is fine. ARGGGG... thanks, I had it changed on my computer and thought I transferred the file to my server. Evidently, I did not do as I thought. I really do need to set up a different browser to look at this stuff in different views. It really stinks in Netscape 4.7 (but who is still using that, besides me for this newsgroup) Ha! Oh, I'm getting a headache. I've talked to my mother's doctor's office three times today, her pharacist twice and her home health care people twice. Am I stressed? We need to learn to give my mother shots (blood thinner). My sister (who she lives with) is a wreck and I'm the one in charge of medical stuff. Sorry, had to vent, I'm taking a deep breath now. I hope I can get back to this website, it may have to wait. I think something like this happened the last time I tried to spend time on a redesign. Too many things to do, not enough time. Thanks again for your help, Julie > I hope I can get back to this website, it may have to wait. I think > something like this happened the last time I tried to spend time on a > redesign. Too many things to do, not enough time. Not to worry. Unless doing it as a full time job, webdesign is an 'as-you- go' process... not that I do it full time mind you. As for NN4.7 check out CSS compatability charts. It has some, but is missing alot. In these cases either you have to use a special external sheet and do the best you can, or do without sheets entirely and use a script to check for browser version.... then redirect accordingly. Well, I came up with a little different look, but now I can't get the .css to work. Guess I'm thinking too hard. Other than the links not looking the way I want how does this idea look? http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety-test.htm Take care, Julie > > I hope I can get back to this website, it may have to wait. I think > > something like this happened the last time I tried to spend time on a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > do without sheets entirely and use a script to check for browser > version.... then redirect accordingly. Sorry, that link isn't even getting you there. Sorry I'll have to get back to this later. I just found out yesterday morning that my mother passed away. Take care, Julie > Well, I came up with a little different look, but now I can't get the .css to > work. Guess I'm thinking too hard. Other than the links not looking the way I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > do without sheets entirely and use a script to check for browser > > version.... then redirect accordingly. > Sorry, that link isn't even getting you there. Sorry I'll have to get > back to this later. I just found out yesterday morning that my mother > passed away. > > Take care, > Julie Many many condolences. > > Also I checked out your page (page 1) and it is still lacking a bgcolor in > > the source. Page 2 is fine. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks again for your help, > Julie Strawberries and Chocolate are both In Season right now...... :-> > "Julie" <IDefiweb@netscape.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Strawberries and Chocolate are both In Season right now...... :-> Gordon, you make me smile while a tear is dropping down my cheek. I was laying down trying to chill, my husband went to the book store. I think I'll run out and grab something cold with chocolate -- ya that's the ticket ;-) Julie >> Also I checked out your page (page 1) and it is still lacking a bgcolor in >> the source. Page 2 is fine. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks again for your help, > Julie Take a deep breath, don't think about it and we can wait for that website :-) Also note that with chocolage, some people do get headaches unfortunate. Cheers, SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco I already had a headache, so no loss there. Actually it did help. I drove over to Dairy Queen and got a carmel mochalata (something like that). It wasn't that good, but it made me feel better anyway. I have some great music I listen to in the car. They are a group from Russian who sing country music, Bering Strait. http://countrymusic.about.com/library/blberingstraitrev.htm I love their music. It made me happy. So I came home, finished my drink and back to the drawing board. I started a new design, and the background doesn't want to cooperate, at least in the cascading style sheet. Guess I can just do each page by hand as far as the background goes - or put it into a template. I could always research the problem. My husband came home and got after me for working, of course he heard me yelling at the computer. I told him I'm not working, I'm learning. It bugs him when I talk out loud to the computer. Have a good evening, Julie > >> Also I checked out your page (page 1) and it is still lacking a bgcolor in > >> the source. Page 2 is fine. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Bye, > Marco > I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an > IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I > wouldn't be surprised if more people switched to other browsers. > Julie That is not necessarily true. The media just shouts it out when something is found again in IE, Mozilla and Opera have similar security problems or even worse but then the media doesn't make fuzz about it as too few people use these other browsers -so then it is not a frontpage news item anymore! Just do a good search on the Internet to find the right piece of information about this topic. For instance: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=39103 http://secunia.com/advisories/11978/ http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=211218#post211218 The key is: keep your software up to date. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > > I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an > > IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Bye, > Marco My sister-in-law just got a new computer and had so many patches for IE XP, it was ridiculous. She got a virus and had to reload her computer about 3 times with not so good "help" from tech support. Finally I told her to call them back (Dell) and ask for a supervisor right off. By the time she was finished she was an expert. Take care, Julie >>> I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an >>> IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Take care, > Julie I know Julie -that part sucks (keeping the computer up to date when you just installed it). With Windows, there is an option to do that automatically for you though a couple of reboots are required after a fresh install of WinXP/Win2K :-( The five keys to success though are: 1. configure your Windows Update to download the patches automatically (as with the nightly update builds of Mozilla and Opera!) Instructions at: http://www.microsoft.com/protect http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com 2. keep your antivirus software on your computer up to date -configure it to download and install latest updates, etc. 3. If you are using Microsoft Office, then an additional key to success can be found over here (Office Update): http://office.microsoft.com/home/default.aspx 4. Use antispyware programs like Ad-Aware and Spybot (get yourself a copy of both programs) 5. Then there is the user part of it => do NOT click on anything you receive like attachments / links, distrust everything you receive/see/get. When you receive an E-mail from your bank / creditcard company with a link, then type in the link manually in your browser. You cannot go wrong with these five basic rules. Computer security is like protecting your car from theft. You always lock it when you go away and after a while, you go to the car shop for a service check. Same applies to computer. Hhopefully my 5 rules prevents you from yelling @ your computer and it prevents your husband to yell @ you! Have a great weekend. Cheers, SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco Thanks Marco, I forwarded your message to my personal email so I will remember the steps. Julie > >>> I'll talk with my husband about downloading Mozilla and Opera. He is an > >>> IT administrator for the State. With all the security problems with IE I [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Bye, > Marco > My sister-in-law just got a new computer and had so many patches for IE XP, it > was ridiculous. She got a virus and had to reload her computer about 3 times > with not so good "help" from tech support. Finally I told her to call them > back (Dell) and ask for a supervisor right off. By the time she was finished > she was an expert. If your sister in law wants good techie advice in simple straightforward terms, suggest she subscribes to uk.people.silversurfers. That might sound daft, but there some excellent techies in there :)) They aren't all silversurfers either <BG> It's probably the most misnamed newsgroup on the net lolol If your SiL posts a message, explains as fully as she can what's gone wrong and asks for "advice in "numpty" language", that's exactly what she'll get :)) If she gets really stuck, one of the techies is perfectly happy to go onto NetMeeting with her and guide her through. He'll watch her desktop so she won't need to try to explain what's happening :)) Oh, and there are people in there from America and Australia as well, plus occasional ones from Canada and mainland Europe just for good measure :)) Interesting, never heard of uk.people.silversurfers, I'll have to check into it. Take care, Julie > > My sister-in-law just got a new computer and had so many patches for IE XP, it > > was ridiculous. She got a virus and had to reload her computer about 3 times [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Oh, and there are people in there from America and Australia as well, plus > occasional ones from Canada and mainland Europe just for good measure :)) > Interesting, never heard of uk.people.silversurfers, I'll have to check into it. It's a high volume group and there's a lot of chat about all sorts of things; from the weather the length and breadth of the UK and in South Australia to how to make sure champagne doesn't explode in a car on a journey from one side of England to the other <VBG> But there's a lot of good advice and guidance available there too :)) You take care of yourself Hugs > That is not necessarily true. The media just shouts it out when something > is found again in IE, Mozilla and Opera have similar security problems or > even worse but then the media doesn't make fuzz about it as too few people > use these other browsers -so then it is not a frontpage news item anymore! Mozilla and Opera tend to have security problems when they are being used with Windows. They don't have security problems when used with either Linux or Mac but that's because far fewer people are using either Linux or Mac. Once more people switch, then they will have more problems as well. Linux has already been targetted. > The key is: keep your software up to date. That's the most important thing and the one thing sooo many people forget to do. Too many think that just because they have, for instance, an Anti Virus program on their PC, they don't need to do any more!! They don't realise or won't accept that there are hundreds of new viruses/virii in ciruclation every day. > They don't > realise or won't accept that there are hundreds of new viruses/virii in > ciruclation every day. As my husband continues to point out to all of his family, including me. He was just talking to his dad tonight about this and explaining why his new computer keeps popping up the message saying he needs to update his virus software. Take care, Julie > As my husband continues to point out to all of his family, including > me. He was just talking to his dad tonight about this and explaining [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Take care, > Julie that sounds like the infamous windows messenger spam trick. > > As my husband continues to point out to all of his family, including > > me. He was just talking to his dad tonight about this and explaining [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > that sounds like the infamous windows messenger spam trick. Please explain. > Please explain. Windows messenger is a part of windows (2000, nt, and xp only I think) that is meant to allow system administrators to send messages to all machines on a network. Spammers learned how to get into this service and send spam instead. Two ways to fix this are to use a firewall to block access to certain ports from the outside, or to turn the service off alltogether. Check out this link http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0%2C1282%2C55795%2C00.html >>> As my husband continues to point out to all of his family, including >>> me. He was just talking to his dad tonight about this and explaining [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Please explain. Theo's right: it could well be the Windows Messenger which can easily be disabled. I don't know how though because I don't use XP *but* it could be the anti virus program on your father in law's PC. I know if I've been away and obviously not updated my AV, I get a dialogue box pop up to advise me. If your husband can get his father to "shoot the messenger" (that's the name of a software program BTW but it isn't necessary by all accounts) *and* check his AV program for updates, that should cure the problem :)) > If your husband can get his father to "shoot the messenger" (that's the > name of a software program BTW but it isn't necessary by all accounts) > *and* check his AV program for updates, that should cure the problem :)) no program is needed if you are not on a network. in the admin tools area where all the various services are listed change windows messenger from automatic to stop. thats it. the spammers will still try to get into the system but since messenger is not running, it will not work. The best way it to use a firewall to block to proper ports entirely so their attempt to even get the chance to try. > no program is needed if you are not on a network. in the admin tools area > where all the various services are listed change windows messenger from > automatic to stop. thats it. the spammers will still try to get into the > system but since messenger is not running, it will not work. The best way > it to use a firewall to block to proper ports entirely so their attempt to > even get the chance to try. I've seen a few arguments about whether the program is necessary or not. Fortunately it's not something I need to worry about :)) Spammers are persistently persistent unfortunately; and they'll continue to be while there's money in it for them and people are taken in by them :(( >>>> As my husband continues to point out to all of his family, including >>>> me. He was just talking to his dad tonight about this and explaining [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > name of a software program BTW but it isn't necessary by all accounts) > *and* check his AV program for updates, that should cure the problem :)) See my original posting. Even when you have just bought a new computer and you just click on "something" as it sounds interesting or good for your computer (please keep your virus software up to date message), then you simply get the virus inhouse and your computer is broke again. Dell Support won't support you with that as hundreds of issues may arrise depending on the way the virus is programmed and "breaks stuff". Never click on something, always use the official ways of updating which means in case of the virus scanner: Start Programs / All Programs / (name of) Antivirus program => within that program there are options to get the latest "something". Read the help, read the manual as it should be listed there. Get on the Internet and locate the manufacturers website for the FAQ, etc. For Windows Update: http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. Never touch something else as it is either spam or something other foolish. Best practice: 1. http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com 2. http://www.microsoft.com/office => office update 3. within the virus scanner program => get the latest "signatures" => don't let the virus scanner program expire! 4. use antispyware programs like LavaSoft http://www.lavasoftusa.com and http://www.spybot.com 5. enable Firewall Windows XP You should be save by now. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > See my original posting. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > You should be save by now. You're preaching to the converted there Marco :)) Only I run WinME not WinXP :)) I flatly refuse to upgrade to XP. Apart from an up to date firewall and up to date AV, I also run Ad-Aware and Spybot and SpywareBlaster :)) I've got CWShredder installed on my PC which gets run regularly as well as HijackThis. And I *never* open any mail if I don't know the sender :)) The subject is usually a dead give away anyway :)) Any mail I'm unsure about I check out first without downloading it :)) In addition to that, I don't use IE as my browser :)) I use Mozilla :)) I wasn't saying that the pop up was genuine. It most likely is a virus infested spam message but I know that my AV will open a dialog box if I don't update for a certain length of time. >> See my original posting. >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > You're preaching to the converted there Marco :)) Only I run WinME not > WinXP :)) I flatly refuse to upgrade to XP. Hehehe...I rest my case then :-) SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > Hehehe...I rest my case then :-) XP still has far too many security issues for a (relatively) new system. Yes, I know ME has them as well but I think I'm well enough protected because I don't have any problems :)) There was someone in another group who kept on trying to get those not using XP to do so. Then along came a virus that only affected XP, those using W95, W98, W98SE and WinME weren't affected <VBG> Strangely enough he hasn't been so keen to get the non-XP users to upgrade since then ;)) I'm going over to Linux when ME is no longer supported completely :)) That will save a *lot* of worries but care will still need to be exercised :)) >> Hehehe...I rest my case then :-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm going over to Linux when ME is no longer supported completely :)) That > will save a *lot* of worries but care will still need to be exercised :) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7598 http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2901156,00.html SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7598 > http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2901156,00.html Having spent many years working in the media, I tend not to believe anything they print/publish - even on the net <BG> That reads rather like someone with an axe to grind :)) Of course I *could* go over to Mac ;)) Still variety is the spice of life, or so they say :)) It'd be a boring old world if everyone was the same :)) >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7598 >> http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2901156,00.html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Still variety is the spice of life, or so they say :)) It'd be a boring > old world if everyone was the same :)) That is true. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco Both those articles, below, are **dated December 2002-- hard to compare software when a report is 19 months olde? G. > >> Hehehe...I rest my case then :-) > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7598 http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2901156,00.html > -- > Take care. > > Bye, > Marco > Both those articles, below, are **dated December 2002-- hard to compare > software when a report is 19 months olde? G. Oh...hahaha...okay, I just did a really quick search Garros and these were the first links I found. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco Hi gang, I'm cleaning my house getting ready for family members. Funeral service is tomorrow....sigh. You should see my dog, she is following me so closely. Somehow she knows there is something bad going on. Anyway, once in awhile I check in to see what dialog is going on. So here is my additional input on Win XP. When I got a new computer a couple years ago my husband continued to insist that I look for Windows 2000, no way would he give me any tech support if I got Windows XP. I guess even back then all the tech people were complaining about the difficulties of XP. Anyway, being the good wife that I am, I listened to him and looked for a refurbished professional Dell system with Win 2000. BIGgrn Take care, Julie > > Hehehe...I rest my case then :-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm going over to Linux when ME is no longer supported completely :)) That > will save a *lot* of worries but care will still need to be exercised :)) > When I got a new computer a couple years ago my > husband continued to insist that I look for Windows 2000, no way would > he give me any tech support if I got Windows XP. I guess even back > then all the tech people were complaining about the difficulties of > XP. Anyway, being the good wife that I am, I listened to him and > looked for a refurbished professional Dell system with Win 2000. Very good advice. Security problems asside I find XP a real pain in the a.s to use. W2K is alreay 4-5 years old but it works great. After all that time I actually got my first BSOD yesterday, which was related to a firewall upgrade I think. >> When I got a new computer a couple years ago my >> husband continued to insist that I look for Windows 2000, no way would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I actually got my first BSOD yesterday, which was related to a firewall > upgrade I think. I still rest my case :-) Everyone has different tasts I guess? I am waiting for the next version of XP called Longhorn. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > I still rest my case :-) Everyone has different tasts I guess? I am waiting > for the next version of XP called Longhorn. You know what they've been saying about Longhorn, don't you?? ;)) Cowboy system from a cowboy outfit <VBG> >> I still rest my case :-) Everyone has different tasts I guess? I am waiting >> for the next version of XP called Longhorn. > > You know what they've been saying about Longhorn, don't you?? ;)) > > Cowboy system from a cowboy outfit <VBG> You are a bad cowboy dude :-) SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco > Hi gang, I'm cleaning my house getting ready for family members. Funeral > service is tomorrow....sigh. You should see my dog, she is following me so [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take care, > Julie Dogs are great I wish you all the best tomorrow. SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco Lighten the background color, I can barely see the print. > Hi gang, can you believe how long it has taken me to fix the seizure > safety page at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org Hi Lewis Are you looking at the old page or this new page http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm When I first posted I didn't have the background color. On my computer it was white, on some others it was grey. Now I have it changed to white. How does it look to you now? Julie > Lighten the background color, I can barely see the print. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org > This uses a technique to stretch the top and side navigation graphic to > fit different size monitor setups. So please let me know if that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > HERE IS THE NEW SITE :-) (only 2 pages online) > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm I useWinMe with Mozilla as my browser. Main background is light yellow, but that could just be the way my PC is set up. The marbled sides panel could make it a little difficult to read the items unless they were in bold so they stood out a bit more, alternatively a slightly heavier type face. A slightly heavier type face would be useful on the first page as well. The list on page two is clear, which is what someone new to epilepsy needs, ditto their family/friends/carers. I'll bookmark the site for future reference when it's fully up and running. > I useWinMe with Mozilla as my browser. > > Main background is light yellow, but that could just be the way my PC is > set up. Excellent point, do you see how many people have pointed out the background color. It is only one of the first things I learned when I started HTML. That's what I get for using an HTML editor. But a very good reminder to start with the basics and use a background color in the body. > The marbled sides panel could make it a little difficult to read > the items unless they were in bold so they stood out a bit more, > alternatively a slightly heavier type face. A slightly heavier type face > would be useful on the first page as well. I'm not sure I like the marble graphic. My husband said he liked it. I think I'll try something else. > The list on page two is clear, which is what someone new to epilepsy needs, > ditto their family/friends/carers. > > I'll bookmark the site for future reference when it's fully up and running. This final page URL will change, but I could keep this page (basically a blank page) and point to the new link, for those that browse the newsgroup in the future and want to see the seizure safety page. Thanks for your help, Julie Similar to Lewis' post, Backgrounds on Int. Expl. Vn ? I use are all Teal Green, and text barely shows up on detailed text. Pages that have white background are in small rectangles near centre with above Green more than 1/2 the screen. (From my olde memory days, still do sometimes, I like to *Print Screens or things I want to Save (like First Aid Instructions), and can't (won't) if all or most of the page uses half a Colour HP Cartridge. Alternate would be to have a 'printable version' tab at bottom of each page people might want to print. G. :-< > Hi gang, can you believe how long it has taken me to fix the seizure > safety page at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety/safty1.htm!! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org > Similar to Lewis' post, Backgrounds on Int. Expl. Vn ? I use are all > Teal Green, and text barely shows up on detailed text. Pages that have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be to have a 'printable version' tab at bottom of each page people might > want to print. G. :-< You can set your PC *not* to print backgrounds. I've done that with mine for the same reason as you: I want some ink left afterwards!! :)) > > (From my olde memory days, still do sometimes, I like to *Print Screens > > or things I want to Save (like First Aid Instructions), and can't (won't) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You can set your PC *not* to print backgrounds. I've done that with mine > for the same reason as you: I want some ink left afterwards!! :)) Note to self - create printer friendly pages. Good suggestion. I've done this before for one of my clients. I pointed out to them that not everyone has a lazer printer like they have at their office. Ink is expensive! Julie That looks better. The older one, I commented on earlier, the Black text was barely readable w. the darker green. This one (now 2 hours later?) the green (edge) is lighter. And the stuff we want to read is easier to see. WRT. other poster who said just change the background, pound the mouse, backspace 2x and remove the //+= to change the script (/sarcasm), *NEW People reading an Information Site, or new to the internet, won't *do that if it's too awkward to use. If I had a Dollar for every News site (usually Astronomy ones) I've **left because they thought I was a B.Gates Clone, I'd be able to buy South America. New people to many of these groups (Julie's, Dave's etc.), or to computers, won't stay with a site that isn't user friendly. That's why we can test these for her and see how they look. G. "gaross" <> wrote in message > Similar to Lewis' post, Backgrounds on Int. Expl. Vn ? I use are all > Teal Green, and text barely shows up on detailed text. Pages that have [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org Hi Gordon, this is the page you are looking at? http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm You can't see the text on the left menu or the top graphic? The top graphic takes up 1/2 the screen? Julie > Similar to Lewis' post, Backgrounds on Int. Expl. Vn ? I use are all > Teal Green, and text barely shows up on detailed text. Pages that have [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org The Green bar across the top is about 1 1/4 inch high by width of screen, down side, it's about 2.5 inches wide with the text options imbedded. (Links to ones set up work OK. I just thought -- mentioned elsewhere -- if I want to print e.g page 4 that it would use up the Green Ink after about the 15th page. So far as Appearance (to me) goes, it looks Fine on the Screen here, and I can read the Black script for the Future pages O.K.. (I don't know if anyone's around with LCD screens :-< Darla used to use one when Refresh rates were an issue -- 1998. But on my Multi Coloured Screen it displays fine now. ) Gordon. > Hi Gordon, this is the page you are looking at? > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org Thanks G.R. I'll add a printer friendly page icon. I'm tweaking the graphic border. Thinking about changing the border to horizontal lines like this: http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/curved%20navigation%20graphic3.htm How do you think that compares to this: http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm I can see that I don't like the way the flame is coming out on their logo. I'll have to see if I have a better example to work with. Julie > The Green bar across the top is about 1 1/4 inch high by width of screen, > down side, it's about 2.5 inches wide with the text options imbedded. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org The first one Truncates at the T of Safety on right side (I have folders etc. titles down left side of my Win.XP screen). The second one fits within my screen display O.K. without me having to scroll to right to get last half an inch. That might be just something you set on 'screen width' settings at your end? (This note displayed both www addresses below, that I just wrote you about **without breaking the http address of the longer one-- Part of the wonders of Gatesland, is I don't get 'my copy' of earlier note I sent you, in my SENT FOLDER, until you Pick up your Mail I sent. I was able to click to both below to compare them. Gordon. > Thanks G.R. I'll add a printer friendly page icon. I'm tweaking the graphic > border. Thinking about changing the border to horizontal lines like this: http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/curved%20navigation%20graphic3.ht m > How do you think that compares to this: > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/safety-sample/safety.htm [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho > > > > > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org Julie, I just read through your site and I think it looks really helpful. I haven't found another site as helpful. In fact, I just sent to people (family and friends) who might be around me if and when I have a seizure. Keep up the good work! ---Dawn Thanks Dawn, that is why I know I have to get this new look up and running. The old site is just not acceptable, because of the colors. Hubby just told me to get going. So better get back to this later. Take care, Julie > Julie, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ---Dawn
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