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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / July 2004Attention: Mary
Welcome back from Wales. May I ask you, in all sincerity, how do you pronounce the word 'Worcestershire? > Welcome back from Wales. > > May I ask you, in all sincerity, how do you pronounce the word > 'Worcestershire? What language is it that you want it pronounced in? The last time you posted here it was verklempt in yiddish. Do you want to know how Worcestershire is pronounced in yiddish? or? Bob > > Welcome back from Wales. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bob The King's English would be fine. I heard it pronounced three different ways yesterday. I had hoped that Mary would know the proper way to say the word. > Welcome back from Wales. > > May I ask you, in all sincerity, how do you pronounce the word > 'Worcestershire? Well it's difficult because for the county I'd say "Woostersher" (unlike the city of Worcester which would be "Wooster"). But then I remembered that people pronounce "oo" in different ways. I'd say it as in "book" but some pronouce the "oo" in book as they would in "loop". Perhaps it would be better to say "Wustersher" where the "u" is pronounced as in "put" where the vowel has, I believe, only one value. Difficult, innit! To add to the confusion, I pronounce "Worcestershire Sauce" as "Wooster" sauce or, more commonly, as, "Lea and Perrins" :-) Now, you tell me why you want to know? Mary the pedant > > Welcome back from Wales. > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mary the pedant Thanks Mary. The reason I ask is that I was watching the Food Network yesterday, and in three programs we had three variations reference to the sauce. I have always taken the 'wooster' approach, but it seems I am wrong. The U.S. seems to use 'warster', and many Canadians fumble through 'war-ches-ter-shire' (by then the food is burned). I think I'll stick with Lea and Perrins. Take care! > > > Welcome back from Wales. > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > The reason I ask is that I was watching the Food Network yesterday, and in > three programs we had three variations reference to the sauce. It happens in UK too ... > I have always taken the 'wooster' approach, but it seems I am wrong. NONONONO!!!!!!!!!!! You're not wrong. > The U.S. seems to use 'warster', and many Canadians fumble through > 'war-ches-ter-shire' (by then the food is burned). They're wrong! > I think I'll stick with Lea and Perrins. When all else fails take the easy option :-) Mary > Take care! > > Welcome back from Wales. > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mary the pedant Mary, I found this really interesting because I am a genealogy buff. One of my family lines originated in Yorkshire (mostly the North Riding). Now how do you pronounce Outhwaite? ; ) Barb > Mary, I found this really interesting because I am a genealogy buff. One of my > family lines originated in Yorkshire (mostly the North Riding). Now how do you > pronounce Outhwaite? ; ) Well, I'm in the West Riding, born and bred. We say "outhwait", as it looks. But them funny folks in the north riding have some very funny ways ... No, seriously, there's a huge difference in pronunciations of the same words in Yorkshire, many dialects and some not easily understood by other speakers. When I talked about Worcestershire I was talking English, which isn't the same thing as Yorkshire at all! I'll ask around. I do have some North Riding friends, we Tykes stick together against the World despite our family disagreements :-) Mary > Barb > > Mary, I found this really interesting because I am a genealogy buff. One > of my > > family lines originated in Yorkshire (mostly the North Riding). Now how > do you > > pronounce Outhwaite? ; ) I meant to add that I buy my wick from Outhwaites, the Ropemakers in Hawes, they're known as Outhwaites, just as it looks: OU as in OUt TH as in tooTH WAITE as in WAIT. Is that your family? Mary > > > Mary, I found this really interesting because I am a genealogy buff. > One [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Is that your family? My great-great grandmother (I'm not sure how many greats to add there as my records aren't at hand) was an Outhwaite. I don't know if we are related to the rope makers or to Tamzin or not. That has been such a hard family to research. I'm also descended from the Atkinson line that lived in Hornby by Bedale (Outhwaite's were from there too. William Atkinson married Sarah Outhwaite). My gosh, there are/were soooo many Atkinson's in Yorkshire!! You know, I had no idea how Outhwaite was pronounced. Thanks so much for the pronunciation information!!! Are you into doing genealogy??? Barb > Mary > > I meant to add that I buy my wick from Outhwaites, the Ropemakers in Hawes, > > they're known as Outhwaites, just as it looks: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (Outhwaite's were from there too. William Atkinson married Sarah Outhwaite). > My gosh, there are/were soooo many Atkinson's in Yorkshire!! My mother was born an Atkins. > You know, I had no idea how Outhwaite was pronounced. Thanks so much for the > pronunciation information!!! Well I've been thinking about this and while I haven't heard it I think that some might pronounce it OOthwaite. We're an odd lot in Yorkshire. Also, I think you're in USA, hearing a US reporter on radio this morning reminded me that your values for some vowels are different from ours. I can't write it but the way you say, for instance, "lot" or "Bob" or anything with a short 'o' is quite different from the way I've heard any Brit pronouce it. Ah - our common language ... > Are you into doing genealogy??? If only I had the time. What I'd be more interested in would be how my forebears thought and felt about things, their life experiences. With the thought that perhaps my descendents might be interested in that I keep all my letters, now e-mails too, cards, diaries and the like. They say more about me than dates ... Mary > Barb > > > Mary > > > I meant to add that I buy my wick from Outhwaites, the Ropemakers in > Hawes, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > My mother was born an Atkins. Actually I've read that Atkins, Atkinson, Addison (and a few other surnames) are all coming from the same common ancestor. > > You know, I had no idea how Outhwaite was pronounced. Thanks so much for > the > > pronunciation information!!! > > Well I've been thinking about this and while I haven't heard it I think that > some might pronounce it OOthwaite. We're an odd lot in Yorkshire. Some of the other names that are my direct Yorkshire ancestors include Bincks, Beane, Kirton or Kearton, Powell (or possibly Gray or Grey), and Jinson in the Outhwaite line and for the Atkinson line includes Bell and Malim or Malam or something similar. The Atkinson-Bell line we can take back to 1744 and the Outhwaite line we have back to 1657. Some locations these people lived or perhaps owned property in included Boroughbridge, Crayke, Leake, Sandhutton (Atkinson line), Sheriff Hutton, Hipswell, Hornby by Bedale (Outhwaite line back to at least 1657), Thornton-le-moor (probably property only). > Also, I think you're in USA, hearing a US reporter on radio this morning > reminded me that your values for some vowels are different from ours. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > my letters, now e-mails too, cards, diaries and the like. They say more > about me than dates ... If you can, try to reach the existing family while they are still alive. That's the first really important step in genealogy, talking and getting stories and information from the people who are still here. I agree with you about the life experiences being so important. One thing that a distant cousin found was that only the descendants of William Atkinson and his second wife (Sarah Outhwaite) have epilepsy. There's no one with epilepsy from the descendants of William Atkinson and his first wife. Barb > Mary > > > > Barb > > > > > Mary > If you can, try to reach the existing family while they are still alive. That's > the first really important step in genealogy, talking and getting stories and > information from the people who are still here. I agree with you about the life > experiences being so important. Briefly because I'm supposed to be doing the laundry, I've done that since I ws a child. I can go back five generations from those memories and have some written records - which hve been nice when children and grandchildren have been doing family history projects. If I remember I'll comment on the rest of your post later. Or perhaps you'd prefer to mail me direct. Mary |
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