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Dawn Compton - 03 Jul 2004 04:47 GMT
I have an appointment with my neurologist coming up on the seventh.  It
is when I find out the lastest test results and whether or not he will
want me to get the VNS device.  I am about to go crazy just thinking
about it.  I pretty much already know what he will say, but I am so
dreading hearing him say it.  I can't stop thinking about it-everything
reminds me. Anyone have any good tips on keeping sanity?
CyberCafe - 03 Jul 2004 09:34 GMT
> I have an appointment with my neurologist coming up on the seventh.  It
> is when I find out the lastest test results and whether or not he will
> want me to get the VNS device.  I am about to go crazy just thinking
> about it.  I pretty much already know what he will say, but I am so
> dreading hearing him say it.  I can't stop thinking about it-everything
> reminds me. Anyone have any good tips on keeping sanity?

Dawn, just because he recommends it (if he does recommend it), it doesn't
mean to have to do it.  If he does recommend it, tell him you need time to
think about it.  Ask for more information (maybe they have patient
pamphlets) and alternatives (like medications you haven't tried yet).

Sometimes seizure-related problems will interfere with how I think about
things.  I mean, in my experience with CPS (not so much with simple partial
seizures), things can be blown out of proportion (guilt, fear, worry,
etc).  I kind of talk to myself (silently) and tell myself that this
seizure stuff (including between seizures) may be influenceing my actions,
my behavior, how I feel, and so on.  Talking to myself sort of helps get to
the rational and objective parts of my brain.  It's like telling the bad
part of my brain to cool it for a while so I can use the good parts of my
brain.  Sounds kind of silly, but sometimes it helps quite a bit.

Barb

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gaross - 03 Jul 2004 16:37 GMT
> I have an appointment with my neurologist coming up on the seventh.  It
> is when I find out the lastest test results and whether or not he will
> want me to get the VNS device.  I am about to go crazy just thinking
> about it.  I pretty much already know what he will say, but I am so
> dreading hearing him say it.  I can't stop thinking about it-everything
> reminds me. Anyone have any good tips on keeping sanity?

Do you have a Local Epilepsy Association Chapter near to where you are?
They might have people you could talk to who know about any history or more
information on whether there's new information on the VNS versus your type
of seizures.   It seemed to me on Howdy Dave's site or ?? that it worked
better for Some types of Seizures, but little or no improvement for other
types.   Maybe if he's still around, he'd know which Types of szrs. it works
better for.  (He still was using Medications in addition to the VNS for his
types of seizures, by the way.  While some people can go off their
medications if the VNS gave full control, others are not able to stop them
completely. )

  Second,  I don't know how hard it is, through your Family Doctor or ? to
get a Second Opinion about something like that.   I don't know how
complicated it is to get a Second Neurologist to look at the records etc. of
your history.

 Third,  like Barb said above, *you're the one who would benefit or have to
use the thing.  *If you're uncomfortable at the moment but controlled enough
that you're managing,  it might be better to put anything more invasive on
Hold until  you either  have exhausted all the medications for your seizure
type, OR  become convinced that this is really what would work for you and
Your Quality of Life.   **You're the one who would benefit or have to use
this thing to control your seizures, so You're the one who should make the
decisions to go forward and **when.
   (Like the other poster earlier with the Daughter, don't assume just
because a Doctor recommends something that it's the Gospel and all the
options you have.   If you're not Really sure (more than 80%),  it's better
to delay anything if you haven't exhausted all the medications or other
treatments that might work for your type of seizure. )  / G.
Dawn Compton - 04 Jul 2004 05:57 GMT
Gaross wrote:

>Do you have a Local Epilepsy Association
>Chapter near to where you are?

Not that I know of.  I haven't heard of one.

>Second, I don't know how hard it is, through >your Family Doctor or ?
to get a Second
>Opinion about something like that.   I don't
>know how complicated it is to get a Second
>Neurologist to look at the records etc. of your
>history.

Getting a second opinion is out of the question financially.  I have
Medicaid and it took months to get them to realize my condition couldn't
just be seen by a normal family doctor.  I had to go months to get a
family doctor picked and then my neurologist wound up having to call
them himself.  He had to explain to them my condition and that I had to
see a specialist, and since I was in the middle of tests with him, that
I should stay with him.  To get Medicaid to see I need another opinion,
and another neurologist, would probably be as easy as jumping off a
cliff and not falling.  My caseworker through Medicaid is a b**ch.

I have done as much research as possible online on the VNS and I am
willing go for it if that winds up being my neurologist's decision.  I
just haven't figured out a way to make it through four more days without
winding up in a padded room.
gaross - 04 Jul 2004 17:07 GMT
Gaross wrote:
>Do you have a Local Epilepsy Association
>Chapter near to where you are?

Not that I know of.  I haven't heard of one.

*G* It would be in the Phone Book under Health Services? in the Yellow
Pages, or Epilepsy Foundation of America (likely) under the White pages.
I thought somewhere inside the Ep.Foundation of America website there's an
Option where you enter your ZIP Code and it tells you the Nearest Chapter
Office and Email addr. to where you live--> http://efa.org .   You might
have already read those, but I think the efa. site had links on VNS stuff
too.

>Second, I don't know how hard it is, through >your Family Doctor or ?
to get a Second
>Opinion about something like that. I don't
>know how complicated it is to get a Second
>Neurologist to look at the records etc. of your
>history.

Getting a second opinion is out of the question financially.  I have
Medicaid and it took months to get them to realize my condition couldn't
just be seen by a normal family doctor.  I had to go months to get a
family doctor picked and then my neurologist wound up having to call
them himself.  He had to explain to them my condition and that I had to
see a specialist, and since I was in the middle of tests with him, that
I should stay with him.  To get Medicaid to see I need another opinion,
and another neurologist, would probably be as easy as jumping off a
cliff and not falling.  My caseworker through Medicaid is a b**ch.

*G*  Bureaucracy is wonderful ain't it?    They'd pay for a $10,000 to
$20,000  Implant plus Surgery (that's a Guess only of the costs-->  Howdy
might know the real costs) ,   plus a Recall each ~4-5 years for Battery
replacement *$500?  but they won't pay for a Second Doctor to consult if
it's appropriate wrt. the Tests you've already had and Records already
assembled by your Main Neuro.  ($300 ? ).

   I had just wondered without having gone through all the stuff you've had
to go through already, *if they've tried or exhausted all the Other
treatments (mostly pills that are newly licensed each 2-3 months),  before
they get into something more invasive like having a 'battery pack' implanted
under one of your arms for the rest of your life.
  That's why I'd rather have Howdy-1 comment on your situation, wrt. the
VNS since he's the only one I know 'here' who's had one installed and lived
with it for about 8? or more years.  I think Ann (who used to post here too)
also had one installed.  If she's still around (lurking), she might have
comments from a Woman's point of view, if there's any difference wrt. its
use between Men and Women.

    Any comments I made earlier or here were based only on posts Dave's
done from 1998 to now, plus a Talk and Video I got at our (Toronto)  Ep.
Convention in 2001 or 2.  (Cyberonics was one of the Lecture Presenters,
among the 8-10 that one day, and handed out VHS tapes and brochures as part
of their Presentation among various subjects discussed in the sessions
organized that day.   Since I was already 'here', I picked up a set to see
what it involved. ) /

I have done as much research as possible online on the VNS and I am
willing go for it if that winds up being my neurologist's decision.  I
just haven't figured out a way to make it through four more days without
winding up in a padded room.

G.   They don't use padded rooms any longer -- well except for Politicians,
but then they're needed more.....  It's 2 of our various country's Holidays
or Birthdays this weekend (Canada was July 1, U.S. July 4).  Why not go
outside and play in the High U.V. ??     There's not a whole lot you can do
before you hear on Tuesday anyway, and the rest of us are around here most
days anyway....     we don't get out much ....   //  G.
Dawn Compton - 05 Jul 2004 05:03 GMT
Gaross wrote:

>Bureaucracy is wonderful ain't it?   They'd pay
>for a $10,000 to $20,000 Implant plus Surgery
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>you've already had and Records already
>assembled by your Main Neuro. ($300 ? ).

I read on a site for VNS provided by a college(?) that it costs $30,000
for the VNS implant with surgery combined.  I would hate to know the
cost of the additional small surgeries for batteries.  I am not sure
what the tests my neurologist runs costs.  I am just sure it isn't
cheap.  Bureacracy is a funny thing!

I wish I could have gotten some opinions here from people who had the
VNS.  But, like I said, I have done research on sites that actually did
work for me, and I am probably going to go through the surgery if that
is what the  neurologist decides to do.

>They don't use padded rooms any longer --
>well except for Politicians

Actually, in some cases, they do still use the padded rooms.  I am not
joking.  The only reason I know is because of a family member or two who
has actually been in a psych ward.  They are only used to calm the
person down if they are being violent--in one case, the person was left
in there 24 hours.  All this was just FYI.

>Why not go outside and play in the High U.V.
>??    

You won't believe this but it is true.  I am allergic to a lot of
outside things.  Some particular insect bites (mostly mosquitos) give me
ugly rashes, have had the same problem with certain weeds, etc.  Plus, I
burn really really easily.

>There's not a whole lot you can do before you
>hear on Tuesday anyway

It is actually Wednesday.
Dave ???? - 05 Jul 2004 07:18 GMT
Howdy!

The VNS doesn't have replacement batteries (the whole device is hermatically
sealed since it's an implant)

They take out the old VNS replace it with a new device and attach it to the
old wires. I would guess that we're talking about at least $20,000 (surgery
expenses not included.) The good news is that the newest versions are
advertised to last for 10 to 15 years.

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Dave ????

http://www.howdydave.com

Gaross wrote:

>Bureaucracy is wonderful ain't it? They'd pay
>for a $10,000 to $20,000 Implant plus Surgery
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>you've already had and Records already
>assembled by your Main Neuro. ($300 ? ).

I read on a site for VNS provided by a college(?) that it costs $30,000
for the VNS implant with surgery combined.  I would hate to know the
cost of the additional small surgeries for batteries.  I am not sure
what the tests my neurologist runs costs.  I am just sure it isn't
cheap.  Bureacracy is a funny thing!

I wish I could have gotten some opinions here from people who had the
VNS.  But, like I said, I have done research on sites that actually did
work for me, and I am probably going to go through the surgery if that
is what the  neurologist decides to do.

>They don't use padded rooms any longer --
>well except for Politicians

Actually, in some cases, they do still use the padded rooms.  I am not
joking.  The only reason I know is because of a family member or two who
has actually been in a psych ward.  They are only used to calm the
person down if they are being violent--in one case, the person was left
in there 24 hours.  All this was just FYI.

>Why not go outside and play in the High U.V.
>??

You won't believe this but it is true.  I am allergic to a lot of
outside things.  Some particular insect bites (mostly mosquitos) give me
ugly rashes, have had the same problem with certain weeds, etc.  Plus, I
burn really really easily.

>There's not a whole lot you can do before you
>hear on Tuesday anyway

It is actually Wednesday.
Dawn Compton - 06 Jul 2004 05:39 GMT
>Howdy!

>The VNS doesn't have replacement batteries
>(the whole device is hermatically sealed since
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>good news is that the newest versions are
>advertised to last for 10 to 15 years.

Oh.  Most of the sites I have read have just mentioned battery changes,
but what you said makes more sense.  I did read the part on the $30,000
on one epilepsy site-I am not quite sure of the webtsite.  It was either
the Epilepsy Foundation site that is always posted here somewhere or on
the Weill-something or another site.  I will try to post the website
addresses later.
Dawn Compton - 06 Jul 2004 06:02 GMT
Here are most the sites I used to gain most of my information on the
VNS.  Some of them require finding the article, because the address was
too long to show up on my system.  This is for people to find out what I
found out if they need/want the information or to verify information I
have said:

www.epilepsyfoundation.org
www.neurologychannel.com/vagus/
www.med.cornell.edu/neuro
turbinado - 05 Jul 2004 02:39 GMT
Sorry to hear that you're having such a hard time. I've found at times like
those that trying to read or concentrate on intellectual pursuits is
useless - I'm totally unable to concentrate - but getting into a creative or
household project does help calm me down and get my mind off the issue.
Best wishes,
Hilary :)

> I have an appointment with my neurologist coming up on the seventh.  It
> is when I find out the lastest test results and whether or not he will
> want me to get the VNS device.  I am about to go crazy just thinking
> about it.  I pretty much already know what he will say, but I am so
> dreading hearing him say it.  I can't stop thinking about it-everything
> reminds me. Anyone have any good tips on keeping sanity?
Dawn Compton - 05 Jul 2004 05:07 GMT
Hilary wrote:

>Sorry to hear that you're having such a hard
>time. I've found at times like those that trying
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>does help calm me down and get my mind off
>the issue. Best wishes.

That is where I am at.  I can't concentrate on anything without thinking
about Wednesday-I've nicknamed it now as DDD 1(Dawn's Doom Day 1)-there
is one more but not for a medical reason.  I tried watching movies
earlier to not think about it, and I still caught myself worrying over
it.  As someone I know once said, "Why can't we have an escape or delete
key for all of our problems?"
 
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