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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / June 2004Message for Dave-1
BlankMessage pour Howdy Dave --> Dawn Compton has not been able to access your website, and asked me to ask you to read your Guestbook. She only seems to get a Blank Page when she tried to click to your Website from addresses I sent her in an Email. She was also having trouble getting all the messages on this group, and when she tries to Reply to some of the posts she *can read, the Software she's using can see Most of the posts, but None of yours. (She got your www address since I emailed it to her, and forwarded 2-3 of your Posts Inline. She hadn't seen your Posts I forwarded to her, on her groups topics.) I wondered if your 'inverted nose' graphic on your posts is producing characters that her reader can't Decode, so it might be Discarding all **your posts on the Group View at her end. Perhaps you have some Geekdom contacts that might be able to help her. She wanted some information (I think) on the VNS and some of your experiences wrt. type of seizures you had vs. ones she has. Naturally being 'well organized' after the Lightning storm went through, I can't find the Hardcopy of the note she sent me where she describes which server/method she's using to read the group. She's using Webtv, if that means anything to Others reading this too. If you can reply to this note (on the group) and tell me how she can Subscribe from there and IF WebTV supports an option like *I* like, where you can sort Messages by Message Thread. (I told her I found that Easiest to keep conversations separate but organized, before I realized she couldn't find or Didn't Have? that option on WebTV?) I'll find where I printed the earlier note she sent me, and Post what she wrote to me in more detail, if it's much different from what I describe above. I thought there might be some other 'geeks or geekettes' around here who could help her Join In Too... She seems to be able to see Most of the Posts by everyone here, Except for 'the guy with the Nose' (Dave)... (I've also got her Direct address if you wanted to write her Direct G./ Howdy GR! HowdyDave http://www.howdydave.com The VNS From A Patient's Point Of View http://www.howdydave.com/vns.html HowdyDave - Airlinks http://www.howdydave.com/airlinks/ HowdyDave - Maritime http://www.howdydave.com/maritime/ The VNS, Airlinks & Maritime sites are all accessable by clicking a button on HowdyDave (top of the list.)  SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > BlankMessage pour Howdy Dave --> Dawn Compton has not been able to access > your website, and asked me to ask you to read your Guestbook. She only [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Posts by everyone here, Except for 'the guy with the Nose' (Dave)... (I've > also got her Direct address if you wanted to write her Direct G./ Thank you. Now we can try see if she can Link to those sites from 'here' (your post). I sent my 'list' that includes 2 of yours, that I sometimes have posted on the group, but she had trouble getting to them from my Letter. I suspect it might be a Server/software 'stumble' at her server, but thought a 'clean list' like below might help us Troubleshoot her settings. G./ > Howdy GR! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > when she tries to Reply to some of the posts she *can read, the Software > > she's using can see Most of the posts, but None of yours. (She got your www > > address since I emailed it to her, and forwarded 2-3 of your Posts Inline. > > She hadn't seen your Posts I forwarded to her, on her groups topics.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > contacts that might be able to help her. She wanted some information (I > > think) on the VNS and some of your experiences wrt. type of seizures you had > > vs. ones she has. > > > > She's using Webtv, if that means anything to Others reading this too. If > > you can reply to this note (on the group) and tell me how she can Subscribe > > from there and IF WebTV supports an option like *I* like, where you can sort > > Messages by Message Thread. (I told her I found that Easiest to keep > > conversations separate but organized, before I realized she couldn't find or > > Didn't Have? that option on WebTV?) G./ I also wondered if her WebTV software is 'weak' wrt features others of us have, and if it might be stumbling on the 'eyeballs' in your Signature, as being a non-qwerty character. So if her's discarded the message content on sites she was trying to read, WEBTV might be editing out the Content of the whole link. Time will tell. Thanx. G./ > Howdy GR! > HowdyDave [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Dave ???? > http://www.howdydave.com Not to start a huge arguement here, but first of all, I wanted to tell all that I did get Dave's latest e-mail. I would also like to thank him for basically telling me I don't know how to work a link and that I shouldn't expect people to lay information (IMO, that you can only get from patients) in my lap {sarcasm}. For those who don't believe me, I will copypaste his e-mail at the bottom of this post. I also can't through on the links here that Dave posted. I could see it this time around. These links are NOT working with my webtv while other site's links do work, like to the one to Julie's idaho page. *****Dave's Reply To Me, though it doesn't have quite the same look as it did, but none of the words have been changed.***** Howdy Dawn! MOF I sent my previous e-mail directly from my guest-book. As for "really don't want to get into more discussion groups"... You don't have to "get into" the group, you can just go there as a lurker and look up information for yourself. The VNS Message Board http://s4.invisionfree.com/VNS_Message_Board/ Is that a broad enough hint? If not I'll just have to use the tough love method and come right out and say it: The information is out there to be had. If you are not willing to put forth a little concerted effort to find out for yourself by looking at a site don't expect people to just put the information into your lap for you. So you can't use a link, eh? Did you try to just copy the URL into the address box and go there manually? (1) While your cursor is on the desired link do a right click. This will open up a gray box. (2) The bottom option in that box is "Properties" (3) Click on the "Properties" option. (4) This will open a window containing the Address (URL) of the page you want. (5) Highlight and copy the URL (or just write it down.) (6) Paste the URL into the address box where you type a URL to get to a site. If you wrote down the address, type it in instead of pasting it in. (7) Enter This will take you to the desired site. Give a man a bowl of rice and you satisfy his hunger for a day. Teach him how to grow rice for himself and he will never starve! Regards, SignatureDave ©¿©¬ http://www.howdydave.com/ Hi Dawn, teach a man to be respectful and who knows what might happen ;-) FYI I noticed Dave's site was showing some strange code one other time when I went to refer it to someone. I figured it was the browser I was using. Dave, here is what I see when I click on VNS link using Netscape 4.73 (I know it is a very old version). ÿþ<l.ca=brs, rrs a72 That is it - that is all the page shows. Then if I use Netscape 7 I get a huge page of this: ÿþ< (followed by some strange characters that look kind of chinese. I tried to copy and paste here, but the only thing that copied was ÿþ< So, it is not just Dawn who cannot read your site. It does seem to work in IE. Dawn, Dave is using frames, but I don't know that is the reason you can't read his entire site. Try going to his menu frame only and click on those links. http://www.howdydave.com/menu.html I have a feeling you will run into the same problem. Take care, Julie, Volunteer Webmaster Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho http://www.epilepsyidaho.org > Not to start a huge arguement here, but first of all, I wanted to tell > all that I did get Dave's latest e-mail. I would also like to thank him [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Dave ©¿©¬ > http://www.howdydave.com/ Julie, I have tried almost all of his links. With some, I can get to a second page, but no farther than that. I don't think it is because of my webtv, considering I have never had this problem with sites before. There has to be something dealing with his site that must not allow people with webtv to see it. Yes, he has code that may not work with WebTV or netscape - at least the older versions. Nevertheless it was no reason for his rude post to you. You and I are here for support. Dave needs to clean up his act as well as his website ;-) Take care, Julie > Julie, I have tried almost all of his links. With some, I can get to a > second page, but no farther than that. I don't think it is because of > my webtv, considering I have never had this problem with sites before. > There has to be something dealing with his site that must not allow > people with webtv to see it. Maybe I was not explicit enough. Everybody here is talking about getting to a site by : CLICKING ON A LINK. The instructions that I gave Dawn told her not to depend on a link, rather type the URL of the desired site in and go directly to the site without having any intermediary software interfering with the process. If she does not know what the URL is, my instructions told her how to find it. I told Dawn about an information resource: The VNS Message Board http://s4.invisionfree.com/VNS_Message_Board/index.php?act=idx where she can ask specific questions and get responses from a lot of different people who have had the VNS implant. At least a few of these people should be able to identify with her situation and give her far better advice than I ever could. Dawn came straight out and said that she REFUSED to go to an interactive information resource. Let's talk a bit about support for a moment... There are basically two alternatives given the situation: You can either pat somebody on the head while waiting for them to finish their little tantrum OR You can give them a wake up call and make them face the fact that when they refuse to use resources that have been presented to them, they should not expect the kid glove treatment! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > Yes, he has code that may not work with WebTV or netscape - at least the > older versions. Nevertheless it was no reason for his rude post to you. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > There has to be something dealing with his site that must not allow > > people with webtv to see it. Howdy Julie! EUREKA! (sp?) re: "rude" I have a tendency to slip in and out of Canadian vernacular speech (along with other coloquialisms that I have picked up over the years) without even being aware of it! Ending a sentence with: ", eh?" is in no way intended to be rude. It is merely an informal, friendly Canadian speech pattern. Ever seen "Red Green"? He epitomizes Canadian speech by ending his sentences like that all the time, eh? (If you look through all of my posts you'll probably find quite a few "don'cha knows" in there too!) SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com <snip> > > Nevertheless it was no reason for his rude post to you. > > > > Take care, > > Julie > You can either pat somebody on the head while waiting for them to finish > their little tantrum or you could investigate this handy-dandy little doohickey called the kill-file and never have to experience another one. > > You can either pat somebody on the head while waiting for them to finish > > their little tantrum > > or you could investigate this handy-dandy little doohickey called the > kill-file and never have to experience another one. How would either of them using a 'killfile' get Dawn information or *support wrt. the VNS that her Doctor suggested she might have to investigate having installed? If either were to use a killfile as the best we can provide her wrt 'support', then it defeats the purpose of the Group Title, doesn't it? I've pointed multiple people to that site, as well as Julie's and the EFA site. If there are some cases where a particular server or access mode doesn't work there, I'd like to *know so I can add that Caveat if I refer someone there again -- and I thought he might want to know too, if there are some cases where people can't get the links to work. (You'll see Julie was able to get to it on One version of Netscape, but not another. I was able to with Windows XP, but Dawn was using a different connect mode, which I explained 3? days ago near the top of this thread. That's why I thought some of the other lurkers (as well as the To address) might have some ideas about if there were glitches or conflicts between WebTV connect and Newsgroups in General. She Wanted his site, but *I thought it might be a Generic Problem with the WebTV end. Julie's note earlier today/last night appears to suggest it's not just WebTV.) G./ David wrote: >The instructions that I gave Dawn told her not >to depend on a link, rather type the URL of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >know what the URL is, my instructions told her >how to find it. You told me, as everyone else got to read, that I was basically stupid if I couldn't work a link. Plus, I explained (calmly, nicely) that I had tried to get to your site several times, but it DID NOT work for me. I have tried punching it in, but your SITE does NOT have all the appropriate CODES for some older webtv or netscape programs TO USE IT. Julie and I both have tried to explain that to you. >where she can ask specific questions and get >responses from a lot of different people who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >and said that she REFUSED to go to an >interactive information resource. If you really need me to REXPLAIN it for you, I said I didn't want to get into another newsgroup. I am not one of those types, LIKE YOU, who likes to go around and explain to everyone who will listen about all of my problems. Plus, the friggin discussion group link thing wouldn't work for me either. You must have your own problem with getting all of your codes and stuff coirrect. That is not MY problem. I simply was adviced by a few people (I refuse to mention names) to ask you for informaton, but you had to be hateful and decline me by insulting me. You had the alternative to be nicer. >You can either pat somebody on the head >while waiting for them to finish their little >tantrum Reread your e-mail and then say who is having the tantrum. I bet some people here, like Julie, will agree it is YOU having a temper tantrum just because you were ASKED to HELP someone out, which involved POLITENESS and because someone mentioned your SITE was giving THEM PROBLEMS. OR >You can give them a wake up call and make >them face the fact that when they refuse to >use resources that have been presented to >them, they should not expect the kid glove >treatment! Lets think about this a moment, shall we? I use this newsgroup, I e-mail to several people outside of the group for information, and I tried to use your site. WOW I MUST BE SO INCOOPERATIVE. I tried to use the friggin RESOURCES AS YOU PUT IT, but they PLAINLY DID NOT WORK with my system. Hopefully, now you can get a HINT yourself. Howdy Julie! My VNS site is not in frames, it's an entity unto itself. All of my code is handwritten in VERY basic html code. Since my code has not been generated by a design program (software) there is no redundant code, no revision dependant code, no viewer dependant code and no cascading style sheets. It should be user friendly to all internet access software, hardware and filtration systems. SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > Hi Dawn, teach a man to be respectful and who knows what might happen ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Then if I use Netscape 7 I get a huge page of this: > ??< (followed by some strange characters that look kind of chinese. I tried > to copy and paste here, but the only thing that copied was ??< > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Dave ???? > > http://www.howdydave.com/ Howdy Julie! Oh.... There is one possibility... My character code specification is "iso-8859-1" That may not be standard in some VERY old Netscape software. SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It should be user friendly to all internet access software, hardware and > filtration systems. "Dave ©¿©¬" wrote: > Howdy Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It should be user friendly to all internet access software, hardware and > filtration systems. Hi Dave I see that you did a W3C validation quite some time ago with a provisional validator. You might wish to bring it up to date now with http://validator.w3.org/ There are a number of current problems that may be causing the troubles with Netscape & Mozilla and may be causing Dawn's troubles with WebTV (just a guess as I don't know for sure). Note to GR: Perhaps the newsgroup messages in HTML are the percentage that are unreadable in WebTV? 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Take care, Julie "Dave ©¿©¬" wrote: > Howdy Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > > Dave ©¿©¬ > > > http://www.howdydave.com/ Dave wrote: >It should be user friendly to all internet access >software, hardware and filtration systems. The key word here is SHOULD. That does not mean it does, as I and Julie have both pointed out it does NOT work with all systems. Stop being so friggin hateful and stop thinking that YOU are always right, because half of the time, I get this feeling you probably don't know your BUTT from your HEAD. From my earlier post (I did a General one on the Group at bottom, vs. writing you direct, since she was using WebTV to access the group and was having trouble getting any links to open). As I said on earlier post, when she clicked to a link on your site it gave her a blank page. She was also not seeing Some poster's posts *here* that I mentioned to her in discussions off-group. That's why I wondered if someone using WebTV knew of a fix or how to help, so she could (1) see all of our posts, and (2) be able to get information on the VNS that you had compiled over the years.. I doubt that Right Clicking, Copying and Pasting, Left Clicking, Banging the Parrot 3 times and shouting "hello polly' will do much, if there might be something 'unique' about linking via WebTV to the group, rather than using Windows systems like most of the rest of us are using (from the stuff she cut and pasted here somewhere). Her Email works OK, and she's able to Post here and read about 80% of the posts. Some others don't show up on her WebTV link, And she didn't seem to be able to get into your site from WebTV either. I included this in the Earlier post --> She's using Webtv, if that means anything to ***Others reading this**** too. If you can reply to this note (on the group) and tell me how she can Subscribe from there and IF WebTV supports an option like *I* like, where you can sort Messages by Message Thread. (I told her I found that Easiest to keep conversations separate but organized, before I realized she couldn't find or Didn't Have? that option on WebTV?) // From what I gather chatting with her directly, WebTV link is awkward to use, and doesn't have all the frills I have with Windows XP, but some Other Posts, in addition to your Website, she also doesn't get and only sees the content when someone Else does a reply to 2-3 'of you'. Your's was the site she was most interested in, as her Doctor had suggested the VNS might be something she'd have to consider, and I thought it would just be a matter of posting the Webaddress, Clicking onto it (as windows supports), and she's there. Apparently with WebTV that's where she gets the Blank Pages, so I wondered (out loud, here) if it was html scripting that was confounding the WebTV service she is using, or something else. And I assume, as a student, a New Improved Win.XP computer just to read your Website is not something that's a priority for her at the moment. We'll work something out (she and I) . Thanks for trying. Just what someone needs under Stress of new diagnosis is someone who's trying..... G./ (The word 'blank' at start of my older post below, indicates that my computer, at least, was first composing my message in html, and when I changed it to Plain Text, it replaces the html blank with the word 'blank' ....) > Howdy GR! > HowdyDave [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "gaross" <> wrote in message > > *** BlankMessage pour Howdy Dave --> Dawn Compton has not been able to access > > your website, and asked me to ask you to read your Guestbook. She only > > seems to get a Blank Page when she tried to click to your Website from > > addresses I sent her in an Email. > > She was also having trouble getting all the messages on this group, and > > when she tries to Reply to some of the posts she *can read, the Software > > she's using can see Most of the posts, but None of yours. (She got your www > > address since I emailed it to her, and forwarded 2-3 of your Posts Inline. > > She hadn't seen your Posts I forwarded to her, on her groups topics.) Perhaps you have some Geekdom > > contacts that might be able to help her. She wanted some information (I > > think) on the VNS and some of your experiences wrt. type of seizures you had > > vs. ones she has. > > > > She's using Webtv, if that means anything to Others reading this too. > > > > I thought there might be some other 'geeks or geekettes' around here who > > could help her Join In Too... She seems to be able to see Most of the > > Posts by everyone here, Except for Dave .. 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